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Average of the polling aggregators has climbed up to about 6.7% -- anything beyond here is probably the point of no return for Trump.  Not even sure what he could do that would change the narrative at this point.

If he tries to actually debate Clinton he'll get slaughtered.  If he does his usual bull#### and clown show there's really nothing he can hit her with that people haven't heard and judged already and/or hasn't already been debunked.  Basically all he can do is play to his base, and that's not going to be good enough.

 
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You demand A Safe Haven For POSITIVE People in your Trump thread to block any criticism of your hero, but then you come into the Hillary and post false crap like this. Hypocrite.

And for the record, Snopes debunked the claim that she said she will raise taxes on the middle class as it may have been an error in the audio, she didn't fully enunciate the ending of "aren't" or she simply misspoke:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/04/hillary-clinton-raise-taxes/

Social media users sharing this video offered it as evidence that Clinton had actually promised to raise taxes on "the middle class but not the rich," that she had changed her tax platform, and/or that she had let loose with a Freudian slip and accidentally revealed the truth of what she was really thinking.

Some viewers defended Clinton by saying that the clip had been edited, but it was not. The footage was taken from a speech Clinton delivered during a campaign stop in Omaha, Nebraska, on 1 August 2016:  (video at link):

Given the context of her statement and the audience's positive reaction to it, it appears that Clinton actually said "we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class," but either she didn't fully enunciate the ending of the word "aren't" or the word didn't come through clearly on the audio recording (or both). Worst case, she simply misspoke and said "are" when she meant "aren't," because she has not announced any changes to her tax platform or said on any other occasion that she plans to raise taxes on the middle class and not the wealthy





Fact-Checking Snopes: Website’s Political ‘Fact-Checker’ Is Just A Failed Liberal Blogger


Popular myth-busting website Snopes originally gained recognition for being the go-to site for disproving outlandish urban legends -such as the presence of UFOs in Haiti or the existence of human-animal hybrids in the Amazon jungle. 

Recently, however, the site has tried to pose as a political fact-checker. But Snopes’ “fact-checking” looks more like playing defense for prominent Democrats like Hillary Clinton and it’s political “fact-checker” describes herself as a liberal and has called Republicans “regressive” and afraid of “female agency.”

Snopes’ main political fact-checker is a writer named Kim Lacapria. Before writing for Snopes, Lacapria wrote for Inquisitr, a blog that — oddly enough — is known for publishing fake quotes and even downright hoaxes as much as anything else.

While at Inquisitr, the future “fact-checker” consistently displayed clear partisanship.

She described herself as “openly left-leaning” and a liberal. She trashed the Tea Party as “teahadists.” She called Bill Clinton “one of our greatest” presidents. She claimed that conservatives only criticized Lena Dunham’s comparison of voting to sex because they “fear female agency.”

She once wrote: “Like many GOP ideas about the poor, the panic about using food stamps for alcohol, pornography or guns seems to have been cut from whole cloth–or more likely, the ideas many have about the fantasy of poverty.” (A simple fact-check would show that food stamp fraud does occur and costs taxpayers tens of millions.)

Lacapria even accused the Bush administration of being “at least guilty of criminal negligience” in the September 11 attacks. (The future “fact-checker” offered no evidence to support her accusation.)

Her columns apparently failed to impress her readership, oftentimes failing to get more than 10-20 shares.

After blogging the Inquisitr, Lacapria joined Snopes, where she regularly plays defense for her fellow liberals.

She wrote a “fact check” article about Jimmy Carter’s unilateral ban of Iranian nationals from entering the country that looks more like an opinion column arguing against Donald Trump’s proposed Muslim ban.

Similarly, Lacapria — in another “fact check” article — argued Hillary Clinton hadn’t included Benghazi at all in her infamous “we didn’t lose a single person in Libya” gaffe. Lacapria claimed Clinton only meant to refer to the 2011 invasion of Libya (but not the 2012 Benghazi attack) but offered little fact-based evidence to support her claim.

After the Orlando terror attack, Lacapria claimed that just because Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat with an active voter registration status didn’t mean he was actually a Democrat. Her “fact check” argued that he might “have chosen a random political affiliation when he initially registered.”

Lacapria even tried to contradict the former Facebook workers who admitted that Facebook regularly censors conservative news, dismissing the news as “rumors.”

In that “fact check” article, Lacapria argued that “Facebook Trending’s blacklisting of ‘junk topics’ was not only not a scandalous development, but to be expected following the social network’s crackdown on fake news sites.” The opinion-heavy article was mockingly titled: The Algorithm Is Gonna Get You.

Lacapria again played defense for Clinton in a fact check article when she claimed: “Outrage over an expensive Armani jacket worn by Hillary Clinton was peppered with inaccurate details.”

One of the “inaccurate details” cited by Lacapria was that, “The cost of men’s suits worn by fellow politicians didn’t appear in the article for contrast.” She also argued the speech Clinton gave while wearing the $12,495 jacket, which discussed “raising wages and reducing inequality,” wasn’t actually about income inequality.

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Fact-Checking Snopes: Website’s Political ‘Fact-Checker’ Is Just A Failed Liberal Blogger
Please point out what was incorrect or false about Snopes fact check and analysis of Hillary's speech, including the video. They looked at the context including the audience she was speaking to and the audience reaction, along with what she said in speeches before that and subsequently. It was obvious that either the audio didn't fully pick up what she said, she didn't enunciate fully or she made a slip of the tongue. But that doesn't fit your narrative that she said she is raising taxes on the middle class, so you attack the messenger, in this case, Snopes.

And you really should be ashamed of yourself after demanding a safe haven and that people only be positive in your Trump thread but then you come in here and trash Hillary with misleading crap like that. Hypocrite. You would have a caps lock hissy fit if I went in your Trump thread and did the same thing you just did here.

 
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Hillary freezes in fear as PETA protesters hold up a sign. 

https://twitter.com/ericdemamp/status/761299259513720833

https://twitter.com/CDReed/status/761292622002475008

She is going to embarrass herself if she makes it to the debates (between her health and the upcoming Wikileaks I put her chances of participating in the debates at about 30%).

The anti-Trump media surge makes a lot more sense now. They are trying to scare him into dropping out so she doesn't humiliate herself onstage. 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2AfOH--HlIM

 
Just saw the first Hillary ad in Texas.  It's the "our children are watching ad" and it's pretty good, mostly because trump is so so bad. 
If you ignore that our children really aren't watching....they couldn't give two ####s about the :hophead:  on TV.....never understood that ad.  

 
As awful as Clinton is, Trump is showing himself to be so much worse, which is hard to believe.  The Clinton campaign can basically coast till November now, while Trump self-destructs. It's nothing if not fascinating to watch. 

 
As awful as Clinton is, Trump is showing himself to be so much worse, which is hard to believe.  The Clinton campaign can basically coast till November now, while Trump self-destructs. It's nothing if not fascinating to watch. 
We've taken what is perceived as maybe the most corrupt politician in American history and made her look palatable, because she is up against what is perhaps the most unstable and dangerous politician in American history.  Whatever is broken that gave us this needs years of psychoanalysis.  

 
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As awful as Clinton is, Trump is showing himself to be so much worse, which is hard to believe.  The Clinton campaign can basically coast till November now, while Trump self-destructs. It's nothing if not fascinating to watch. 
Trump will be out of the election by September at this rate

 
I'd like to believe that Hillary is beating Trump on the issues, because I agree with Hillary on so many of them, but I know better. She is beating him, and will likely continue to beat him, because the public has decided, correctly, that he is too incompetent to be President. 

Unfortunately I suspect the truth is that if a competent politician had pushed Trump's essential message: anti-free trade, fear of immigrants and Muslims, social populism- that politician would have been elected President. 

 
I'd like to believe that Hillary is beating Trump on the issues, because I agree with Hillary on so many of them, but I know better. She is beating him, and will likely continue to beat him, because the public has decided, correctly, that he is too incompetent to be President. 

Unfortunately I suspect the truth is that if a competent politician had pushed Trump's essential message: anti-free trade, fear of immigrants and Muslims, social populism- that politician would have been elected President. 
Isn't that basically Cruz?

Slightly off point, I'm still shocked how bad Rubio was a campaigner.  Thought he would have been much more successful

 
I'd like to believe that Hillary is beating Trump on the issues, because I agree with Hillary on so many of them, but I know better. She is beating him, and will likely continue to beat him, because the public has decided, correctly, that he is too incompetent to be President. 

Unfortunately I suspect the truth is that if a competent politician had pushed Trump's essential message: anti-free trade, fear of immigrants and Muslims, social populism- that politician would have been elected President. 
Tim, against this train wreck of a Presidential campaign, any competent politician could beat Trump. A 75 year old avowed Socialist like Bernie, who I thought was unelectable would beat him. Hell, I think at this point the Democrats could even trot out Anthony Weiner or DWS and have a fighting chance to take it all. :hophead:

 
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I'd like to believe that Hillary is beating Trump on the issues, because I agree with Hillary on so many of them, but I know better. She is beating him, and will likely continue to beat him, because the public has decided, correctly, that he is too incompetent to be President. 

Unfortunately I suspect the truth is that if a competent politician had pushed Trump's essential message: anti-free trade, fear of immigrants and Muslims, social populism- that politician would have been elected President. 
Tim you're wrong.

 
Tim, against this train wreck of a Presidential campaign, any competent politician could beat Trump. A 75 year old avowed Socialist like Bernie, who I thought was unelectable would beat him. Hell, I think at this point the Democrats could even trot out Anthony Weiner or DWS and have a fighting chance to take it all. :hophead:
Nice to see you admit this ;)

 
Tim, against this train wreck of a Presidential campaign, any competent politician could beat Trump. A 75 year old avowed Socialist like Bernie, who I thought was unelectable would beat him. Hell, I think at this point the Democrats could even trot out Anthony Weiner or DWS and have a fighting chance to take it all. :hophead:
I think you missed my point with your response. My question was not whether or not anybody would beat Trump. My question is whether or not a more competent politician who shared Trump's basic ideas would beat Hillary Clinton.  

 
True.  Trump hasn't exactly emphasized the social/religious aspects much.  I thought that wing of the GOP coalition was more powerful
He hasn't emphasized it at all. I think that one thing Trump has revealed is that a good part of the self-identifying 'evangelical' demo isn't actually so much religious as just identifying as 'Christian.' 

One thing I saw that cracked me up a while ago was Donald being endorsed by the head of a major evangelical group and they have their picture taken together in Trump's office. There's Trump, the guy and the guy's wife and right behind them in the background is a framed Playboy cover with Donald and some woman on the front, likely this one.

 
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Suppose, for instance you had a politician on the right who was considered stable- without any bigotry, without the social conservatism that Ted Cruz has (and Trump lacks), who ran on 4 points: 

1. Shut down illegal immigration

2. Take a hard line against Muslim immigration. 

3. Replace trade deals with tariffs. 

4. Isolationism abroad. 

These are the main points of Trump's campaign. Is he losing because of these ideas, or because he comes off as personally unstable and unfit? I'm guessing it's the latter, and that these ideas have more cache than most who oppose them will admit. 

 
Suppose, for instance you had a politician on the right who was considered stable- without any bigotry, without the social conservatism that Ted Cruz has (and Trump lacks), who ran on 4 points: 

1. Shut down illegal immigration

2. Take a hard line against Muslim immigration. 

3. Replace trade deals with tariffs. 

4. Isolationism abroad. 

These are the main points of Trump's campaign. Is he losing because of these ideas, or because he comes off as personally unstable and unfit? I'm guessing it's the latter, and that these ideas have more cache than most who oppose them will admit. 
No. Look at the Ryan race. His Trumpite opponent today when asked what happens if Trump and he can't get the Wall built said well they will just have to start deporting Muslims. It's total nutso stuff. This guy is going to get smashed by Ryan. It's nutso stuff, and it fails because it's nutso. Once you inject the presumption that oh some candidate carrying this message is stable, not bigoted and rational then such a person would not carry such themes.

Closest I've seen to someone who tried these themes and tried to appear stable and 'normal' it was David Duke. 

I do think many Trumpites have legitimate concerns about honesty in government, economic policies and immigration, but ultimately rational problems will require rational solutions by rational politicians.

 
You may be right. I hope so. But I don't think the Ryan race is a good example because he's so tremendously popular in his district, he would be very hard to beat even if the voters preferred his oponent's ideas. 

 
He hasn't emphasized it at all. I think that one thing Trump has revealed is that a good part of the self-identifying 'evangelical' demo isn't actually so much religious as just identifying as 'Christian.' 

One thing I saw that cracked me up a while ago was Donald being endorsed by the head of a major evangelical group and they have their picture taken together in Trump's office. There's Trump, the guy and the guy's wife and right behind them in the background is a framed Playboy cover with Donald and some woman on the front, likely this one.
His only sincere moment during his acceptance speech is when he said "He was supported by the Evangelicals, but he wasn't sure he deserved it".

Yeah, I am not sure why the Evangelicals are supporting a twice divorced, serial adulterer, and most likely supporter of Same-sex marriage and pro-Choice

 
More interestingly this was held at a union hall.

I guess I see what Hillary's campaign is going for now.

There couldn't have been more than a couple hundred people there. Yet they had this diverse focus group staged behind her for tv cameras. It's clear this is a message to viewers. So Trump is also apparently confounded how he can draw tens of thousands of people to his rallies yet he is still losing - but hey this happened in the primaries too. Trump drew ginormous crowds of tens of thousands of people and yet he would lose elections in those same counties and states.

It's clear that what Hillary is doing is packaging staged appearances for tv cameras. The viewers on tv or online can't tell it's 150 people it looks like thousands. It's the same effect. And then Hillary's campaign invites local news and then they package and circulate it on the tv news and in pictures in newspapers and sites across the state. 

Same effect with a controlled environment and tight message and a just as wide circulation.

The animal rights protestors were an exception, one of the benefits of this kind of thing is strictly controlling who gets in there.

But it also shows why Hillary was so freaked out because the place was a tin can and it took nothing for the protestors to get right in her personal space.

 
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Yeah, I am not sure why the Evangelicals are supporting a twice divorced, serial adulterer, and most likely supporter of Same-sex marriage and pro-Choice
Christians would vote for the Devil himself if it meant that there would be a pro-life judge appointed to the Supreme Court.

 
Lead keeps growing, out to 7.4% now.  Probably can't go a whole lot further since Clinton has a ceiling of her own.

And some really crazy results coming in too -- Clinton leading by 4 in Georgia for example.  Probably an outlier and IMO it's unlikely she wins there, but when Arizona, South Carolina, Georgia and Missouri are the most competitive states you know things aren't looking good for team Trump.

 
Lead keeps growing, out to 7.4% now.  Probably can't go a whole lot further since Clinton has a ceiling of her own.

And some really crazy results coming in too -- Clinton leading by 4 in Georgia for example.  Probably an outlier and IMO it's unlikely she wins there, but when Arizona, South Carolina, Georgia and Missouri are the most competitive states you know things aren't looking good for team Trump.
Georgia is officially in the "toss up" category for now. Last three polls are Trump +4, Even, Clinton +4.

 
Lead keeps growing, out to 7.4% now.  Probably can't go a whole lot further since Clinton has a ceiling of her own.

And some really crazy results coming in too -- Clinton leading by 4 in Georgia for example.  Probably an outlier and IMO it's unlikely she wins there, but when Arizona, South Carolina, Georgia and Missouri are the most competitive states you know things aren't looking good for team Trump.
You'd think the concern trolls who were handwringing about general election polls in May would be in here expressing their profound relief.

 
They need to keep their eye on the ball: PA, OH, FL. Spend some resources toward the end in GA or AZ if they still look good. Nothing's over until it's over. 3 full months left.

 
They need to keep their eye on the ball: PA, OH, FL. Spend some resources toward the end in GA or AZ if they still look good. Nothing's over until it's over. 3 full months left.
I'm not a campaign strategist but it seems to me that it isn't a bad strategy for a better-financed candidate that is leading in the polls to try to expand the number of contested states.  If Hillary throws some money at Arizona and Georgia, that could force Trump to either spend money there too or to let her ads go unanswered.

I don't think Hillary wants to just win in a squeaker.  She wants to crush Trump, flip the Senate, pick up a bunch of House seats for Democrats, and claim to have a mandate for her policies.

 
I'm not a campaign strategist but it seems to me that it isn't a bad strategy for a better-financed candidate that is leading in the polls to try to expand the number of contested states.  If Hillary throws some money at Arizona and Georgia, that could force Trump to either spend money there too or to let her ads go unanswered.

I don't think Hillary wants to just win in a squeaker.  She wants to crush Trump, flip the Senate, pick up a bunch of House seats for Democrats, and claim to have a mandate for her policies.
:goodposting:

She's going to go for a historical ###-whipping here. And it's almost certainly going to play out that way. If the Republican party can somehow convince Trump to quit, and someone reasonable steps in to save the day, then I'll be worried.

 
I'm not a campaign strategist but it seems to me that it isn't a bad strategy for a better-financed candidate that is leading in the polls to try to expand the number of contested states.  If Hillary throws some money at Arizona and Georgia, that could force Trump to either spend money there too or to let her ads go unanswered.

I don't think Hillary wants to just win in a squeaker.  She wants to crush Trump, flip the Senate, pick up a bunch of House seats for Democrats, and claim to have a mandate for her policies.
Correct.  Winning is pretty much a given, absent an October surprise showing beyond-a-doubt-corruption-that-even-timschochet-can't-deny.  The goal has changed.

 
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