Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

[msommer]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 1h1 hour ago


The catch though is that we're still in the period where you might expect to see a convention bounce. They can last for a few weeks.

Well , Trump's didn't, so there is that

 

[Peyton Marino]

I don't make a habit of reading ZeroHedge, but this article caught my interest.  Maybe it will do the same for you.

 

[Joe Summer]

Which specific leaked emails are you referring to?

No answer? Anyone?

Just trying to figure out the Republican logic here...

- Amiri defected in 2009 (Iran knew all about this).
- Amiri went public in 2010 after changing his mind (probably because Iran threatened to harm his son).
- Amiri voluntarily returned to Iran in 2010, where he was subsequently arrested and sentenced to 10-20 years in jail.

So....how is any of this related to Clinton's emails?

Are people arguing that the recent release of Clinton's emails is what led to Amiri's execution? Because those emails were released by the U.S. State Department, not hackers. The FBI vetted those emails to determine if they contained any information that wasn't already public knowledge.

So, if you are arguing that Clinton's email caused Amiri to be executed, then shouldn't you be blaming the State Department/FBI for releasing it?

 

[msommer]

No answer? Anyone?

Just trying to figure out the Republican logic here...

- Amiri defected in 2009 (Iran knew all about this).
- Amiri went public in 2010 after changing his mind (probably because Iran threatened to harm his son).
- Amiri voluntarily returned to Iran in 2010, where he was subsequently arrested and sentenced to 10-20 years in jail.

So....how is any of this related to Clinton's emails?

Are people arguing that the recent release of Clinton's emails is what led to Amiri's execution? Because those emails were released by the U.S. State Department, not hackers. The FBI vetted those emails to determine if they contained any information that wasn't already public knowledge.

So, if you are arguing that Clinton's email caused Amiri to be executed, then shouldn't you be blaming the State Department/FBI for releasing it?

Don't forget the State Dept telling the world in 2010 that Amiri had been "helpful" for 5 million dollars but he left the country without it

 

[Joe Summer]

Don't forget the State Dept telling the world in 2010 that Amiri had been "helpful" for 5 million dollars but he left the country without it

Exactly. Iran had the same intel in 2010 that they had in 2016. If Hillary's emails contained any "revelations", no one has produced those revelations thus far.

 

[The Commish]

Sorry....when it's Trump vs Hillary, dangerous is well within the margin of error when it comes to terms that apply.

Having lived through MANY years of crazy, etc....elections, to say it's "dangerous" is a classic overreaction

I hear this from both sides, at every turn.

it's ridiculous to say regardless of which candidate wins.

Has there ever been an election in your lifetime that you'd label "dangerous"?  I'm pretty  to the typical fear mongering of the Tim types, but I think there's some danger in this election.  

 

[RCon]

Has there ever been an election in your lifetime that you'd label "dangerous"?  I'm pretty  to the typical fear mongering of the Tim types, but I think there's some danger in this election.  

There are still 5 months left in what would have been John McCain's second term.  Sarah Palin would still be on the table.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

I gotta say, a Hillary presidency would bring a lot of people to reality here.

1. The corruption. She'll rig the DNC and elections, like Mexico's IRP Party, to turn the USA into a corrupt one party state

2. The 1% wealth stuffing, using the USA debt as a credit card to get them all paid off

3. Hearing her voice every day, talking about how men and white people are the problem. Never anything good about those groups, thus becoming a generator of a black and white mentality that creates hate and anger.

4. A proxy/real war with Russia to distract us from the issues at home and to guarantee a 2nd term, ala George W Bush.

5. More continued destruction of the Middle East, Muslim lives and people constantly drone striked and murdered.

6. A full scale Correct the Record state. Where the NSA, Google, Facebook, and Twitter all work in concert to make sure it looks like Hillary is loved by all and if it wasn't for those scary Republicans, then things wouldn't be so bad. They would have total control over us.

7. Hillary appoints gun grabiing supreme court justices to make sure individual gun ownership goes the way of the dodo, and the War on Guns is formed, ala The War on Drugs, the imprisons people at will and increases the private prison state. Which funds Hillary.

8. A Health Care machine that leaves poor people without coverage, while the middle class is drained of the financial blood in their body by mega-corps and Big Pharma

9. The government would continue to create a system that makes it so people would have to go $100k+ in debt to go to college so they could work, colleges who are funded by the government and super wealthy, colleges that make sure students only think what they say or they'll be ostracized as a bigot out close minded. So goodbye to your grades, and say goodbye to any decent job.

10. An Open Borders system where Mexicans flow into the country, crippling jobs fro Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Unions and The Poor, while being taught to blame white people for everything and thus adding to the Democrats and their monopoly on the voting majority.

11. Justices would be nominated who would view "free speech" the same way they view guns, as something that can be "curtailed" to make people safe. Hate speech laws would then be announced, which would be arbitrary and could change at anytime, would be decided by the government and mega-corps and then used to crush anyone who doesn't speak with the pre-approved ideology of the establishment. 

Hillary is a non-option as a candidate. At least with Trump there is a gamble that he's running shtick and this guy and this guy, is the real guy behind the mask. We know who Hillary is and we know where she's going, and there is nothing "positive" about where she could go. 

And that is nowhere good.

 

[The Future Champs]

I gotta say, a Hillary presidency would bring a lot of people to reality here.

1. The corruption. She'll rig the DNC and elections, like Mexico's IRP Party, to turn the USA into a corrupt one party state

2. The 1% wealth stuffing, using the USA debt as a credit card to get them all paid off

3. Hearing her voice every day, talking about how men and white people are the problem. Never anything good about those groups, thus becoming a generator of a black and white mentality that creates hate and anger.

4. A proxy/real war with Russia to distract us from the issues at home and to guarantee a 2nd term, ala George W Bush.

5. More continued destruction of the Middle East, Muslim lives and people constantly drone striked and murdered.

6. A full scale Correct the Record state. Where the NSA, Google, Facebook, and Twitter all work in concert to make sure it looks like Hillary is loved by all and if it wasn't for those scary Republicans, then things wouldn't be so bad. They would have total control over us.

7. Hillary appoints gun grabiing supreme court justices to make sure individual gun ownership goes the way of the dodo, and the War on Guns is formed, ala The War on Drugs, the imprisons people at will and increases the private prison state. Which funds Hillary.

8. A Health Care machine that leaves poor people without coverage, while the middle class is drained of the financial blood in their body by mega-corps and Big Pharma

9. The government would continue to create a system that makes it so people would have to go $100k+ in debt to go to college so they could work, colleges who are funded by the government and super wealthy, colleges that make sure students only think what they say or they'll be ostracized as a bigot out close minded. So goodbye to your grades, and say goodbye to any decent job.

10. An Open Borders system where Mexicans flow into the country, crippling jobs fro Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Unions and The Poor, while being taught to blame white people for everything and thus adding to the Democrats and their monopoly on the voting majority.

11. Justices would be nominated who would view "free speech" the same way they view guns, as something that can be "curtailed" to make people safe. Hate speech laws would then be announced, which would be arbitrary and could change at anytime, would be decided by the government and mega-corps and then used to crush anyone who doesn't speak with the pre-approved ideology of the establishment. 

Hillary is a non-option as a candidate. At least with Trump there is a gamble that he's running shtick and this guy and this guy, is the real guy behind the mask. We know who Hillary is and we know where she's going, and there is nothing "positive" about where she could go. 

And that is nowhere good.

You should definitely leave the country if she's elected.  For your own safety.  

 

[msommer]

I gotta say, a Hillary presidency would bring a lot of people to reality here.

1. The corruption. She'll rig the DNC and elections, like Mexico's IRP Party, to turn the USA into a corrupt one party state

2. The 1% wealth stuffing, using the USA debt as a credit card to get them all paid off

3. Hearing her voice every day, talking about how men and white people are the problem. Never anything good about those groups, thus becoming a generator of a black and white mentality that creates hate and anger.

4. A proxy/real war with Russia to distract us from the issues at home and to guarantee a 2nd term, ala George W Bush.

5. More continued destruction of the Middle East, Muslim lives and people constantly drone striked and murdered.

6. A full scale Correct the Record state. Where the NSA, Google, Facebook, and Twitter all work in concert to make sure it looks like Hillary is loved by all and if it wasn't for those scary Republicans, then things wouldn't be so bad. They would have total control over us.

7. Hillary appoints gun grabiing supreme court justices to make sure individual gun ownership goes the way of the dodo, and the War on Guns is formed, ala The War on Drugs, the imprisons people at will and increases the private prison state. Which funds Hillary.

8. A Health Care machine that leaves poor people without coverage, while the middle class is drained of the financial blood in their body by mega-corps and Big Pharma

9. The government would continue to create a system that makes it so people would have to go $100k+ in debt to go to college so they could work, colleges who are funded by the government and super wealthy, colleges that make sure students only think what they say or they'll be ostracized as a bigot out close minded. So goodbye to your grades, and say goodbye to any decent job.

10. An Open Borders system where Mexicans flow into the country, crippling jobs fro Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Unions and The Poor, while being taught to blame white people for everything and thus adding to the Democrats and their monopoly on the voting majority.

11. Justices would be nominated who would view "free speech" the same way they view guns, as something that can be "curtailed" to make people safe. Hate speech laws would then be announced, which would be arbitrary and could change at anytime, would be decided by the government and mega-corps and then used to crush anyone who doesn't speak with the pre-approved ideology of the establishment. 

Hillary is a non-option as a candidate. At least with Trump there is a gamble that he's running shtick and this guy and this guy, is the real guy behind the mask. We know who Hillary is and we know where she's going, and there is nothing "positive" about where she could go. 

And that is nowhere good.

Enjoy the coming eight years of a Hillary Clinton presidency

 

[HellToupee]

This is very disturbing


Clinton Short-Circuits the Truth



About two-thirds of voters say Hillary Clintonisn’t “honest or trustworthy,” which in most elections would be decisive. With so much media focus on Donald Trump, it’s worth parsing Mrs. Clinton’s most recent efforts to persuade voters of her honesty.

Late last month, Fox News’s Chris Wallace played clips of Mrs. Clinton’s statements over the past year about her unsecure home email server. Then he said to her: “After a long investigation, FBI Director James Comey said none of those things that you told the American public were true.” 

Mrs. Clinton’s reply: “Director Comey said that my answers were truthful.” 

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Not even close. Mrs. Clinton denied sending or receiving classified email, but Mr. Comey told Congress: “There was classified material emailed.” Mrs. Clinton claimed there was “nothing marked classified”; Mr. Comey testified: “That’s not true.” He cited more than 100 classified emails, 36 of them top secret. “There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about the matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation,” Mr. Comey said.

To her pledge that she had turned over all her work-related email, Mr. Comey testified: “No, we found work-related emails, thousands, that were not returned.” When asked, “Did she lie to the American public?” the lawyerly Mr. Comey testified: “That’s a question I’m not qualified to answer.”

The Washington Post awarded Mrs. Clinton four Pinocchios for her falsehood in the Wallace interview. But the New York Timesdidn’t even cover the story until its public editor, Liz Spayd, wrote a blog post Tuesday titled “The Clinton Story You Didn’t Read Here.” Ms. Spayd observed: “If you’re getting all your political news from the New York Times, this may be the first time you’re hearing this.”

On Friday Mrs. Clinton had a chance to revise her comments when a reporter asked her: “Are you mischaracterizing Director Comey’s testimony and is this not undercutting your efforts to rebuild trust with the American people?”

Her reply: “Director Comey had said that my answers in my FBI interview were truthful. That’s really the bottom line here and I have said during the interview and in many other occasions over the past few months, that what I told the FBI, which he said was truthful, is consistent with what I have said publicly. So I may have short-circuited and for that, I, you know, will try to clarify.”

A writer for the left-of-center website Slate called Mrs. Clinton’s comments a “master class in obfuscation” and “an awkward journey of dissembling and lawyerly quibbling.” A spokesman for Mr. Trump called it a “painful, pretzel-like response.”

Mrs. Clinton’s short-circuiting of the truth on Friday also included a repetition of her false claim that “I never sent or received anything that was marked classified.” Mr. Comey testified that she did, and added that in any case “participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”

Clintonian obfuscation won’t hide the reason she set up her private email server in her basement. She publicly claimed it was for “convenience,” so that she could use a single device for her work and personal emails, but Mr. Comey confirmed she used multiple devices. Mrs. Clinton disclosed the real reason in a 2010 email that came to light later. “I don’t want any risk of the personal being accessible,” she wrote her State Department advisers. She chose to evade the requirement that her work emails be on State’s servers because that would have made them accessible to the public under disclosure laws.

The result is that her emails are available—just not to Americans. Contrary to Mrs. Clinton’s claim that “there were no security breaches,” security experts agree China, Russia and unknown others hacked into all 63,000 emails on the home-brew server—including the 33,000 she failed to provide under court order.

The timeline suggests after Russia hacked Mrs. Clinton’s emails, its spies decided to complete their knowledge of Mrs. Clinton’s relationships by hacking the Clinton Foundation, State Department and Democratic National Committee. Unless a friendly spy agency that hacked Mrs. Clinton’s emails does Americans a favor by publishing them before the election, if she is elected Vladimir Putin will have the capacity to blackmail her at will.

In this election year, voters may not have the option of getting everything they want in a candidate. For all Mr. Trump’s gaffes, at least none directly threaten national security. But voters are now on notice that Mrs. Clinton’s “short-circuited” truth is far from the truth.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

This is very disturbing


Clinton Short-Circuits the Truth



About two-thirds of voters say Hillary Clintonisn’t “honest or trustworthy,” which in most elections would be decisive. With so much media focus on Donald Trump, it’s worth parsing Mrs. Clinton’s most recent efforts to persuade voters of her honesty.

Late last month, Fox News’s Chris Wallace played clips of Mrs. Clinton’s statements over the past year about her unsecure home email server. Then he said to her: “After a long investigation, FBI Director James Comey said none of those things that you told the American public were true.” 

Mrs. Clinton’s reply: “Director Comey said that my answers were truthful.” 

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Not even close. Mrs. Clinton denied sending or receiving classified email, but Mr. Comey told Congress: “There was classified material emailed.” Mrs. Clinton claimed there was “nothing marked classified”; Mr. Comey testified: “That’s not true.” He cited more than 100 classified emails, 36 of them top secret. “There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about the matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation,” Mr. Comey said.

To her pledge that she had turned over all her work-related email, Mr. Comey testified: “No, we found work-related emails, thousands, that were not returned.” When asked, “Did she lie to the American public?” the lawyerly Mr. Comey testified: “That’s a question I’m not qualified to answer.”

The Washington Post awarded Mrs. Clinton four Pinocchios for her falsehood in the Wallace interview. But the New York Timesdidn’t even cover the story until its public editor, Liz Spayd, wrote a blog post Tuesday titled “The Clinton Story You Didn’t Read Here.” Ms. Spayd observed: “If you’re getting all your political news from the New York Times, this may be the first time you’re hearing this.”

On Friday Mrs. Clinton had a chance to revise her comments when a reporter asked her: “Are you mischaracterizing Director Comey’s testimony and is this not undercutting your efforts to rebuild trust with the American people?”

Her reply: “Director Comey had said that my answers in my FBI interview were truthful. That’s really the bottom line here and I have said during the interview and in many other occasions over the past few months, that what I told the FBI, which he said was truthful, is consistent with what I have said publicly. So I may have short-circuited and for that, I, you know, will try to clarify.”

A writer for the left-of-center website Slate called Mrs. Clinton’s comments a “master class in obfuscation” and “an awkward journey of dissembling and lawyerly quibbling.” A spokesman for Mr. Trump called it a “painful, pretzel-like response.”

Mrs. Clinton’s short-circuiting of the truth on Friday also included a repetition of her false claim that “I never sent or received anything that was marked classified.” Mr. Comey testified that she did, and added that in any case “participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”

Clintonian obfuscation won’t hide the reason she set up her private email server in her basement. She publicly claimed it was for “convenience,” so that she could use a single device for her work and personal emails, but Mr. Comey confirmed she used multiple devices. Mrs. Clinton disclosed the real reason in a 2010 email that came to light later. “I don’t want any risk of the personal being accessible,” she wrote her State Department advisers. She chose to evade the requirement that her work emails be on State’s servers because that would have made them accessible to the public under disclosure laws.

The result is that her emails are available—just not to Americans. Contrary to Mrs. Clinton’s claim that “there were no security breaches,” security experts agree China, Russia and unknown others hacked into all 63,000 emails on the home-brew server—including the 33,000 she failed to provide under court order.

The timeline suggests after Russia hacked Mrs. Clinton’s emails, its spies decided to complete their knowledge of Mrs. Clinton’s relationships by hacking the Clinton Foundation, State Department and Democratic National Committee. Unless a friendly spy agency that hacked Mrs. Clinton’s emails does Americans a favor by publishing them before the election, if she is elected Vladimir Putin will have the capacity to blackmail her at will.

In this election year, voters may not have the option of getting everything they want in a candidate. For all Mr. Trump’s gaffes, at least none directly threaten national security. But voters are now on notice that Mrs. Clinton’s “short-circuited” truth is far from the truth.

what is Putin going to blackmail Clinton with? Some smoking gun email discussion about all the process servers she has murdered?

 

[AAAll-Stars]

You should definitely leave the country if she's elected.  For your own safety.  

Your response does nothing to bridge the divide.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

Enjoy the coming eight years of a Hillary Clinton presidency

So you agree that Hillary will be responsible to these things?

 

[squistion]

This is very disturbing

That reminds me I need to post in your Trump thread, since you keep crapping in this thread instead of taking to Eminence's where it belongs.

Is there anyone I follow on Twitter you particularly would like me to add to your safe haven, or will you leave it up to my imagination?

 

[The Future Champs]

Your response does nothing to bridge the divide.

Nothing is going to bridge the divide.  It's better for everyone if you  leave.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

Nothing is going to bridge the divide.  It's better for everyone if you  leave.

This is an example of an "accepting Democrat" everyone.

I can be open to hearing other ideas. Please contribute. Seeing no other ideas, my opinion will remain the default one.

 

[HellToupee]

That reminds me I need to post in your Trump thread, since you keep crapping in this thread instead of taking to Eminence's where it belongs.

Is there anyone I follow on Twitter you particularly would like me to add to your safe haven, or will you leave it up to my imagination?

It's an article in the Wall Street journal 

 

[Joe Summer]

Hillary is a non-option as a candidate. At least with Trump there is a gamble that he's running shtick and this guy and this guy, is the real guy behind the mask. We know who Hillary is and we know where she's going, and there is nothing "positive" about where she could go.

And that is nowhere good.

If the items on your list are considered undesirable by the majority of Americans, then it will lead to super-majorities in Congress in 2018 and a Republican president in 2020. Right? So, what are you afraid of? Wouldn't you rather have Hillary (which would surely lead to a Republican revolution) than take your chances with Trump?

Again, this assumes that A) Hillary is actually going to do what you say, and B) those actions would be considered undesirable/offensive/traitorous by the majority of Americans.

And you wouldn't even have to sacrifice the Supreme Court, because the current congress has already shown an ability to filibuster for an infinite amount of time. And the American public would fully support the congressional filibuster, since they would totally recognize Hillary's attempt to dismantle the Constitution.

Like you said, with Trump there is a gamble. But with Hillary, you're guaranteed Republican victories in 2018 and beyond.

 

[The Future Champs]

This is an example of an "accepting Democrat" everyone.

I can be open to hearing other ideas. Please contribute. Seeing no other ideas, my opinion will remain the default one.

I'm not a Democrat; I am, however, unaccepting of right wing nut jobs.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

I'm not a Democrat; I am, however, unaccepting of right wing nut jobs.

How is Trump right wing?

I'm serious here. How people approach political spectrum ideology changes and some of his positions are things that used to be leftist even as recently as a few years ago. His NATO position has also been echoed in the past by far leftists like Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders.

Can you show me?

 

[HellToupee]

How is Trump right wing?

I'm serious here. How people approach political spectrum ideology changes and some of his positions are things that used to be leftist even as recently as a few years ago. His NATO position has also been echoed in the past by far leftists like Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders.

Can you show me?

People only look to see what uniform ,D or R , the candidates are wearing . It's true , believe me I know.

 

[The Future Champs]

How is Trump right wing?

I'm serious here. How people approach political spectrum ideology changes and some of his positions are things that used to be leftist even as recently as a few years ago. His NATO position has also been echoed in the past by far leftists like Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders.

Can you show me?

Turmp isn't right wing on many issues.   I'm referring to you when I say "right wing nut job".  My apologies in advance if you're actually a left wing nut job.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

It's an article in the Wall Street journal 

an op-ed piece

 

[AAAll-Stars]

Turmp isn't right wing on many issues.   I'm referring to you when I say "right wing nut job".  My apologies in advance if you're actually a left wing nut job.

I don't know what my political beliefs are anymore. Populist and Nationalist at this time, which also encompass my modern and pre-modern liberal positions.

 

[The Future Champs]

I don't know what my political beliefs are anymore. Populist and Nationalist at this time, which also encompass my modern and pre-modern liberal positions.

jWell, you're definitely a conspiracy nut if you believe half of what you posted.

 

[DocHolliday]

I gotta say, a Hillary presidency would bring a lot of people to reality here.

1. The corruption. She'll rig the DNC and elections, like Mexico's IRP Party, to turn the USA into a corrupt one party state

2. The 1% wealth stuffing, using the USA debt as a credit card to get them all paid off

3. Hearing her voice every day, talking about how men and white people are the problem. Never anything good about those groups, thus becoming a generator of a black and white mentality that creates hate and anger.

4. A proxy/real war with Russia to distract us from the issues at home and to guarantee a 2nd term, ala George W Bush.

5. More continued destruction of the Middle East, Muslim lives and people constantly drone striked and murdered.

6. A full scale Correct the Record state. Where the NSA, Google, Facebook, and Twitter all work in concert to make sure it looks like Hillary is loved by all and if it wasn't for those scary Republicans, then things wouldn't be so bad. They would have total control over us.

7. Hillary appoints gun grabiing supreme court justices to make sure individual gun ownership goes the way of the dodo, and the War on Guns is formed, ala The War on Drugs, the imprisons people at will and increases the private prison state. Which funds Hillary.

8. A Health Care machine that leaves poor people without coverage, while the middle class is drained of the financial blood in their body by mega-corps and Big Pharma

9. The government would continue to create a system that makes it so people would have to go $100k+ in debt to go to college so they could work, colleges who are funded by the government and super wealthy, colleges that make sure students only think what they say or they'll be ostracized as a bigot out close minded. So goodbye to your grades, and say goodbye to any decent job.

10. An Open Borders system where Mexicans flow into the country, crippling jobs fro Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Unions and The Poor, while being taught to blame white people for everything and thus adding to the Democrats and their monopoly on the voting majority.

11. Justices would be nominated who would view "free speech" the same way they view guns, as something that can be "curtailed" to make people safe. Hate speech laws would then be announced, which would be arbitrary and could change at anytime, would be decided by the government and mega-corps and then used to crush anyone who doesn't speak with the pre-approved ideology of the establishment. 

Hillary is a non-option as a candidate. At least with Trump there is a gamble that he's running shtick and this guy and this guy, is the real guy behind the mask. We know who Hillary is and we know where she's going, and there is nothing "positive" about where she could go. 

And that is nowhere good.

I guess we will see how close this prediction is in a few years. 

 

[AAAll-Stars]

jWell, you're definitely a conspiracy nut if you believe half of what you posted.

What parts are the conspiracy parts? Just so I know where you're coming from.

 

[Parrothead]

3. Hearing her voice every day,   

this is the one thing I hope we can all agree upon..   I'm going to invest in remote control mute buttons and make a fortune

UGH

 

[pantagrapher]

Good info in here.

 

[squistion]

It's an article in the Wall Street journal 

For fairness and equal time, do you think they will cover the NAMBLA tax contributions story as well? And what happened to your thread? Did I miss another hissy fit caps lock meltdown while I was away from the forum?

 

[Joe Summer]

I guess we will see how close this prediction is in a few years.

I remember similar predictions about Obama. And here we are 8 years later and everyone still has their guns and Obama has a 53% approval rating (higher than Reagan).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Police union: Clinton snubbed us


Top officials at the biggest police union in the country are upset with Hillary Clinton, saying she snubbed them.

The leader of the National Fraternal Order of Police told The Hill that the Democrat sent a signal through her staff that she wouldn’t be seeking the union’s endorsement.

"It sends a powerful message. To be honest with you, I was disappointed and shocked," said Chuck Canterbury, the president of the National Fraternal Order of Police. 

"You would think with law enforcement issues so much in the news that even if she had disagreements with our positions, that she would’ve been willing to say that."

...

The union will not be meeting with Clinton because her campaign decided not to fill out a questionnaire that is required for seeking the police union's endorsement.

"We were talking to the highest levels of the campaign, and we had all indications that she was going to return the questionnaire," Canterbury said.

"And on the deadline date we were advised that they declined."

The Fraternal Order of Police has a strict process for making a presidential endorsement. 

It first sends each candidate a lengthy questionnaire; after the candidates complete and return their questionnaires, the union distributes the answers to its membership. 

Finally, in September, the state chapters vote, and if a candidate receives majority support in two-thirds of the states, he or she wins the union's endorsement.

This year, only Trump's campaign filled out the questionnaire.  

Canterbury says that to his knowledge the questionnaire snub has only happened once before — in 2004 with John Kerry.  

He said President Obama submitted the questionnaire in both 2008 and 2012. 

...Asked about the decision not to seek the police union's endorsement, Clinton spokesman Jesse Ferguson said, "Throughout her career, Hillary Clinton has been committed to our law enforcement officers."

"As she said from the beginning of her campaign, across the country, police officers are out there every day inspiring trust and confidence, honorably doing their duty, putting themselves on the line to save lives.  

"She believes we must work together to build on what’s working and to build the bonds of trust between police and the communities they serve — because we are stronger together," Ferguson added.

"Hillary and her team have engaged law enforcement throughout the campaign to listen to ideas and solutions, and she will continue to do so as president.” 

Leaders of the police union wouldn't give a straight answer when asked if they believed that Clinton respected law enforcement officers. 

Asked whether he thought Clinton respected the police, Canterbury said, “Can’t answer that question. Don’t know."

Asked the same question, the police union's national executive director, Jim Pasco, said, “I don’t know. She isn’t talking to us."

"You can quote me on that," he added. 

...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290586-police-union-clinton-snubbed-us

- I guess this just floors me. I don't think I've criticized Hillary on policy (maybe mideast, yes on Libya) but I don't understand this if this report is true.

- Bill Clinton had a great record lowering crime, he directly helped in NO.

 

[HellToupee]

For fairness and equal time, do you think they will cover the NAMBLA tax contributions story as well? And what happened to your thread? Did I miss another hissy fit caps lock meltdown while I was away from the forum?

Honestly Squistion I've had enough of this nonsense . If you don't remove the post to that disgusting group I will report you. It's that simple. Abusing kids isn't a joking matter . 

 

[squistion]

Honestly Squistion I've had enough of this nonsense . If you don't remove the post to that disgusting group I will report you. It's that simple. Abusing kids isn't a joking matter . 

That disgusting group was in the news today on Google/Twitter/Social Media and was discussed for several pages in the Trump thread by MOP and others. The allegations, created by a bot, were so absurd, no one was supposed to take them seriously and no one really has taken them seriously (outside of the few that believe anything they read). That is what was being laughed at or about. Neither myself or anyone else is joking about abusing kids. Please. 

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Neither myself or anyone else is joking about abusing kids. 

Please speak only for yourself.

 

[badmojo1006]

Trump is not a right or even left wing nut job

His is just a nut job

 

[squistion]

Please speak only for yourself.

OK. And this is what I posted in the Trump thread. Not sure how that can be construed as joking about kids being abused. It was a story in the news and I attempted to help set the record straight with The Daily Beast piece.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/08/nambla-becomes-donald-trump-s-birther-moment.html

NAMBLA Becomes Donald Trump’s Birther Moment

Did Donald Trump donate to money to the North American Man-Boy Love Association? A bot certainly wants you to think so.

Donald Trump absolutely, unequivocally did not donate money to the North American Man-Boy Love Association.
But that’s not what “some people” are saying.
“Speaking of tax returns, did you hear Donald Trump is refusing to release them because Donald Trump has donated to NAMBLA? That’s what all the best sources, the most tremendous sources are saying,” said EnoughTrumpSpam’s AutoModerator.

AutoModerator is, of course, a robot that’s been fed code to spit out this exact, completely baseless and fact-free conspiracy theory about Donald Trump every single time somebody brings up taxes. It started on Reddit, but in just a couple of days, the conspiracy theory has flooded Twitter and other corners of the web. “Trump and NAMBLA” saw a spike on Google Trends this week. [...]

 

[Bucky86]

OK. And this is what I posted in the Trump thread. Not sure how that can be construed as joking about kids being abused. It was a story in the news and I attempted to help set the record straight with The Daily Beast piece.

I now believe he has in fact been donating to NAMBLA. Until he shows us his tax returns, that show us otherwise, that is what I am going to believe. 

 

[Rove!]

My point is that in 2010 they told the Iranians that he had given them information. How is that not telling them that he essentially had broken the Iranian espionage law?

No further confirmation needed, which is also confirmed in that he was proven guilty in the lower courts (plural) over the past five years who recommended the death penalty.

But sure, keep thinking a potential mail to Hillary (was the final straw) if that fits your worldview better

They welcomed him back in 2010...it was after this that they changed their opinion on him

just the possibility is damn scary for the damage she has done to our country

 

[Rove!]

Imagine it's a few days after the election, and Hillary won. Trump is no longer on the scene at all. The media has forgotten about him. He's probably on vacation in some other country. Now it's just HIllary all the time.... just Hillary.... nothing but Hillary.... no more comparing to Trump.... she's standing on her own now.... it's just her.... it's just Hillary... no more saying "she's better than....".... it's her, and her alone... and were stuck with her.... oh ####, pass the Tylenol.

This glimpse into the future has been brought to you by Chock Full O'Nuts Coffee and Johnson & Johnson.

Stop playing with the two nuts, and go for the Johnson!!!

We truly need for her and/ or Trump to suspend their campaigns and step aside

 

[Joe Summer]

- Bill Clinton had a great record lowering crime, he directly helped in NO.

And police unions HATED Bill Clinton, despite the fact that crime went down and police officer safety went up. The sad truth is that Democrats will never win the hearts and minds of the police or the military. They would rather be sent to their death by a cheerleading war monger.

 

[msommer]

They welcomed him back in 2010...it was after this that they changed their opinion on him

just the possibility is damn scary for the damage she has done to our country

Did they change their minds before or after the announcement from the State department in 2010?

 

[Gucci Fur]

I gotta say, a Hillary presidency would bring a lot of people to reality here.

1. The corruption. She'll rig the DNC and elections, like Mexico's IRP Party, to turn the USA into a corrupt one party state

2. The 1% wealth stuffing, using the USA debt as a credit card to get them all paid off

3. Hearing her voice every day, talking about how men and white people are the problem. Never anything good about those groups, thus becoming a generator of a black and white mentality that creates hate and anger.

4. A proxy/real war with Russia to distract us from the issues at home and to guarantee a 2nd term, ala George W Bush.

5. More continued destruction of the Middle East, Muslim lives and people constantly drone striked and murdered.

6. A full scale Correct the Record state. Where the NSA, Google, Facebook, and Twitter all work in concert to make sure it looks like Hillary is loved by all and if it wasn't for those scary Republicans, then things wouldn't be so bad. They would have total control over us.

7. Hillary appoints gun grabiing supreme court justices to make sure individual gun ownership goes the way of the dodo, and the War on Guns is formed, ala The War on Drugs, the imprisons people at will and increases the private prison state. Which funds Hillary.

8. A Health Care machine that leaves poor people without coverage, while the middle class is drained of the financial blood in their body by mega-corps and Big Pharma

9. The government would continue to create a system that makes it so people would have to go $100k+ in debt to go to college so they could work, colleges who are funded by the government and super wealthy, colleges that make sure students only think what they say or they'll be ostracized as a bigot out close minded. So goodbye to your grades, and say goodbye to any decent job.

10. An Open Borders system where Mexicans flow into the country, crippling jobs fro Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Unions and The Poor, while being taught to blame white people for everything and thus adding to the Democrats and their monopoly on the voting majority.

11. Justices would be nominated who would view "free speech" the same way they view guns, as something that can be "curtailed" to make people safe. Hate speech laws would then be announced, which would be arbitrary and could change at anytime, would be decided by the government and mega-corps and then used to crush anyone who doesn't speak with the pre-approved ideology of the establishment. 

Hillary is a non-option as a candidate. At least with Trump there is a gamble that he's running shtick and this guy and this guy, is the real guy behind the mask. We know who Hillary is and we know where she's going, and there is nothing "positive" about where she could go. 

And that is nowhere good.

I appreciate your effort but you are wasting your breath. The FFA makes Democratic Underground look moderate.

In other news, Hillary has another "short circuit" today:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxWckQbpug

And to the surprise of nobody Google and Twitter have been censoring trends and content all day pointing out Hillary's failing health.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And police unions HATED Bill Clinton, despite the fact that crime went down and police officer safety went up. The sad truth is that Democrats will never win the hearts and minds of the police or the military. They would rather be sent to their death by a cheerleading war monger.

Uh, I don't know about that. The FOP endorsed Bill Clinton. - Bill Clinton hired a lot of police in the US, he increased union size by a lot and crime went down.

I think there would be a lot of goodwill there for Hillary if she took it, and I think there is probably a lot of resistance to Trump just like there is in a lot of sectors these days. - Frankly I think it's a horrible idea for the Democrats to surrender this "law & order" motif to Trump, it's inaccurate and it turns policing into a binary red/blue issue which is precisely what Trump wants.

 

[Joe Summer]

They welcomed him back in 2010...it was after this that they changed their opinion on him

Amiri was jailed a few months after returning to Iran, before any of Clinton's emails were released.

You can argue that Iran changed its opinion (and decided to execute Amiri) after the emails were released in March 2016, but those emails were released by the State Department, not hackers. And the emails did not contain any information that was not publicly available.

 

[Rove!]

Did they change their minds before or after the announcement from the State department in 2010?

In March 2010 the CIA said gave them intel

in June/July 2010 there was the phony CIA kidnapping story and he re-defected back to Iran and was welcomed as a hero.

http://www.npr.org/2011/05/10/136054851/covert-war-with-iran-a-wilderness-of-mirrors

sometime after that he was arrested

 

[msommer]

In March 2010 the CIA said gave them intel

in June/July 2010 there was the phony CIA kidnapping story and he re-defected back to Iran and was welcomed as a hero.

http://www.npr.org/2011/05/10/136054851/covert-war-with-iran-a-wilderness-of-mirrors

sometime after that he was arrested

So after.

 

[badmojo1006]

I appreciate your effort but you are wasting your breath. The FFA makes Democratic Underground look moderate.

In other news, Hillary has another "short circuit" today:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxWckQbpug

And to the surprise of nobody Google and Twitter have been censoring trends and content all day pointing out Hillary's failing health.

Seriously, she paused for a thought...She didn't have a stroke...People are really grasping for straws since Trump has nothing else

This is so stupid, you could probably make videos twice as bad with Trump

 

[Rove!]

So after.

Amiri was believed to be an agent-in-place for the CIA, who then decided he wanted out of Iran. In the U.S., it appears, he got cold feet and then made his way back to Iran. There he was initially hailed as a hero, but months later he was jailed. Now he is on trial for treason.

Yes, after the CIA thing and after he undefected and after was welcomed back to Iran as a hero due to his CIA kidnapping cover story, he got arrested.

What triggered the arrest, we can only speculate, but having the SoS emails unsecured leaves open the possibility that is where his story fell apart.  He could have been tripped up by any number of things, but that definitely would have been an area of vulnerability.