Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (9 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

You mean on the content where you, among many others claimed since at least Jaunary that "everyone must agree" that there was no explaining away 2000+ emails yet I over and over assert that what was marked as classified for FOIA request and was inappropriately communicated in email were two different things.  You know all the times that you argued that the judgment of a FOIA clerk superseded that of the Secretary pf State?  Yep that was a win for the "everyone must agree" crowd and lost for me.   

You mean where I was stating stuff that had too be dismissed as wrong because it "wasn't being reported anywhere" that only information that originated outside of State would be relevant because information inside of State's status  was completely at Hillary's discretion?  Another lose for me!

Maybe you mean where I stated that ultimately the question for "mishandling" seems to be whether or not there is an email or emails which contained information that  "anyone trained in handling classified information" should have recognized as classified.  That remains an open question....

No man, just the parts where Comey said material was classified SCI/NatSec material (110), the material classified below that (~2000+ Confidential), and what was marked (3, all Confidential) and where you may have disagreed with any of that beforehand.

That's it. That conversation is over. You win on intent or at least I will hang my hat on Comey's conclusions FTSOA, hopefully you will too.

Let's split the baby, and have the cake but not try to eat it too.

 

[Politician Spock]

  and the precise quote in context.

Comey asked the sources of the info if the info was classified at the time the emails were sent. The sources said yes.

This is what anyone trained on handling classified information is trained to do. If something looks like it could be classified, they are trained to get conformation instead of just assuming it's not classified. Comey didn't ask the source of every email. He only asked the sources of email that looked like it could be classified. 

My god, you must be in some serious denial that your queen royally f'd up!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

U.S. House panel: FBI provides documents on Clinton email probe


A U.S. House of Representatives committee said Tuesday the FBI had turned over "a number of documents" related to its investigation into Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while secretary of state.

"Committee staff is currently reviewing the information that is classified SECRET. There are no further details at this time," a spokeswoman for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee said in an email.

The Oversight committee, chaired by Representative Jason Chaffetz, had asked the Federal Bureau of Investigation for information about its interview with Clinton.

FBI Director James Comey told Congress last month that Clinton's handling of classified information while using a private email server was "extremely careless," but that he would not recommend criminal charges against her.

Reuters and other news outlets have sought copies of the FBI's records regarding the investigation, including copies of interview summaries, under public records laws. The requests are still being processed, and FBI records officials have declined to say when copies might be released to the public.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-congress-idUSKCN10R23A?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

- It's pretty funny to think some might doubt that Hillary was handling genuinely classified information when even the notes and file on the investigation are themselves classified and "Secret" at that.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Comey asked the sources of the info if the info was classified at the time the emails were sent. The sources said yes.

This is what anyone trained on handling classified information is trained to do. If something looks like it could be classified, they are trained to get conformation instead of just assuming it's not classified. Comey didn't ask the source of every email. He only asked the sources of email that looked like it could be classified. 

My god, you must be in some serious denial that your queen royally f'd up!

In other words  there is no such quote from Comey!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In other words  there is no such quote from Comey!

Before anyone troubles to dig this up, where in your opinion does the "extreme carelessness" part come in for you? What does that refer to, in your opinion?

 

[Politician Spock]

In other words  there is no such quote from Comey!

I watched him testify. My god you are obtuse.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Before anyone troubles to dig this up, where in your opinion does the "extreme carelessness" part come in for you? What does that refer to, in your opinion?

Already answered.  It refers to the 52 conversations which were  generally forwarded "up the chain" to Hillary.  Conversations that hundreds of career government employees either missed that the emails contained a piece of classified information and/or they ignored that it contained classified information while they actively had a back and forth on the topic.    

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  If the information was obviously  identifiable as classified then these hundreds of people should at the very least be having remedial training for their failures, if not misconduct to properly identify and at least report the fact.  Granted HR stuff should be confidential, but I'd suspect that if such wide scale sanctions were happening there would be leaks.  Then again maybe not?
  

If the information was not so obviously classified then there is no reasonable claim of failure or misconduct by Hillary with regards to receiving and responding to these emails.  The idea that Secretary of State, at the end of the exchange should be going through the email with a fine tooth comb to find stuff to ask other agencies if may be, possibly it might be classified is absurd.  The mere presence of classified information in her emails means she was wrong but it does not prove she lied about the subject.





If you want to make a legitimate criticism of Hillary with this quote you should state that Hillary did nothing to address the "extremely careless" State Department culture when handling classified material.  (Though most of the interagency cultural squabbles have to do with retroactively marking stuff classified.)





And, again the "especially concerning" goes to the idea that Hillary should have expected such email would naturally slip through "extremely careless" or not.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If the information was obviously identifiable as classified then these hundreds of people should at the very least be having remedial training for their failures,

It was.

Couple thoughts:

• Hillary was found by Comey & the FBI to be extremely careless. Not State. You're living in an alternate theory which did not come to pass.
  
• Yeah there is a wider scandal, or should be, about State's failure to meet national security standards in protecting classified information. However Hillary was the head of State and set the tone for the department.
  

Ok so you don't need to find the reference you are asking for. You're just making an assumption refuted by Comey. Again, he said Hillary was extremely careless.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Clinton announces her November transition team.

Meanwhile, Trump can't even get the campaign he's currently in together, much less plan 5 months into the future.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Hillary was found by Comey & the FBI to be extremely careless. Not State. You're living in an alternate theory which did not come to pass

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

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 There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

Note that you might want to infer from that second sentence that the specific information that was classified would be obviously identifiable to a reasonable person, but such an inference ignores stronger evidence to the contrary especially that hundreds of employees at the very least ignored its presence.,   And I'm not so sure that these were just State Department employees - either

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

Note that you might want to infer from that second sentence that the specific information that was classified would be obviously identifiable to a reasonable person, but such an inference ignores stronger evidence to the contrary especially that hundreds of employees at the very least ignored its presence.,   And I'm not so sure that these were just State Department employees - either

And, of course, in addition to our technical work, we interviewed many people, from those involved in setting up and maintaining the various iterations of Secretary Clinton’s personal server, to staff members with whom she corresponded on e-mail, to those involved in the e-mail production to State, and finally, Secretary Clinton herself.

Ok so we have Hillary was extremely careless. - You're running around in circles on that. Comey established that it was classified material and included Nationa Security infomration within that. Again, the point of content is settled.

It's clear in Comey's statement that he is referring to the people they investigated - Hillary, Pagliano, Mills, Abedin, Sullivan - these are her server admins and "staff". He was not indicting the whole department or letting them all off.

At any rate by even going there you are going back to intent, not content.

The content issue was and is settled.

 

[Politician Spock]

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

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 There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

Note that you might want to infer from that second sentence that the specific information that was classified would be obviously identifiable to a reasonable person, but such an inference ignores stronger evidence to the contrary especially that hundreds of employees at the very least ignored its presence.,   And I'm not so sure that these were just State Department employees - either

Hillary was the only one being investigated by the FBI. The FBI conclusion is about Hillary and Hillary alone. It would be BS for the FBI to make conclusions about those not being investigated. Every investigation is going to reveal info about others not under investigation. That can many times lead to new investigations into these people. Until thpse new investigations are done, the FBI hasn't concluded anything about those people yet. You however think this makes what Hillary did look not as bad. That's ridiculous. The others simple haven't been under an FBI investigation, so the FBI has drawn no conclusions about them.

 

[bueno]

So, did anyone ever resolve whether Hillary has Parkinson's disease or not? I think I saw that somewhere in the 1107 pages of quibbling.

And where is Tim? I was hoping for more entertainment!

 

[The Commish]

Hillary was found by Comey & the FBI to be extremely careless. Not State. You're living in an alternate theory which did not come to pass

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

:

 There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.

Note that you might want to infer from that second sentence that the specific information that was classified would be obviously identifiable to a reasonable person, but such an inference ignores stronger evidence to the contrary especially that hundreds of employees at the very least ignored its presence.,   And I'm not so sure that these were just State Department employees - either

The "they" in blue is Sec Clinton and her colleagues.  We all agree on that, correct?  It's pretty clear that's his point as you listen to / watch his statement.  I can't believe I'm letting myself get sucked into this, but here it goes.  To your "note" here at the bottom, it's a suggestion along the lines of "everybody's doing it" or "everybody else has done it", yes?  If so, why does it matter?  Does it make it less of a problem that everyone, Hillary included, is mishandling information?  Perhaps that's what you're saying above this quoted text (taking Hillary to task for the culture)?  That's been one of my assertions from the beginning (if that's what you're saying).  Allowing that sort of thing is much more a problem than the email content IMO...always has been.

 

[dutch]

So, did anyone ever resolve whether Hillary has Parkinson's disease or not?

Dr. Sean Hannity got to the bottom of this issue as he carefully examined Hillary via magic television and was able to conclude that yes, indeed, Hillary has parkison's, has had numerous strokes, has dementia, whopping cough and maybe, perhaps, small pox.  He's waiting on lab results for the last one.

 

[Koya]

Enough with the grasping at straws, pathetic and cowardly search for more emails.

I'm hardly saying no mistakes nor shadiness happened. They obviously did. But enough with the flagrant witch hunt. It's unbecoming of anyone who expects to be afforded respect in a discussion on our nation's future. 

In the context of Iran-Contra, the new military industrial complex aka Halliburton and countless other misdeeds in the past, and moreso the quite honestly disgusting public history of Trump's business dealings, deceit and fraudulent actions - just stop already. There's more important #### to talk about.

Signed,

A Gary Johnson voter

 

[cstu]

Big news I heard today is that the FBI will be releasing the tens of thousands of Hillary's emails they recovered.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Big news I heard today is that the FBI will be releasing the tens of thousands of Hillary's emails they recovered.

Is that even legal?

 

[dutch]

Is that even legal?

No. Expect Comey to be arrested any day now.  Stay tuned.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Looks like it's actually the State Department turning over official, work-related emails that were recovered to Judicial Watch.

I was thinking it would be pretty effed up if they were just going to release her private emails to the public.

 

[Guest]

I'm hardly saying no mistakes nor shadiness happened. They obviously did.

What the holy living #### happened to this great country?  

We acknowledge jeopardizing national security out of equal parts incompetence and malice, and rampant corruption -- but we must accept our leader as the installed monarch.

Bull####!!!!

Edit.  "I'm not saying there wasn't shadiness with your sister.  There was.  But for the love of God stop taking about it--and stop asking questions!"

 

[Koya]

What the holy living #### happened to this great country?  

We acknowledge jeopardizing national security out of equal parts incompetence and malice, and rampant corruption -- but we must accept our leader as the installed monarch.

Bull####!!!!

In a post about context, way to ignore all context.
 

The whole pathetic approach is tiresome. Makes me almost want to vote Hillary as a protest to the disturbingly shallow haters out there. The hate does not reflect well upon you, that's all I can say. 

Ok, enough of this thread for a while.

 

[bueno]

Dr. Sean Hannity got to the bottom of this issue as he carefully examined Hillary via magic television and was able to conclude that yes, indeed, Hillary has parkison's, has had numerous strokes, has dementia, whopping cough and maybe, perhaps, small pox.  He's waiting on lab results for the last one.

Ah, well that settles it then. dutch watches Fox

 

[dutch]

Ah, well that settles it then. dutch watches Fox

It's something to do between innings.

 

[Guest]

In a post about context, way to ignore all context.
 

The whole pathetic approach is tiresome. Makes me almost want to vote Hillary as a protest to the disturbingly shallow haters out there. The hate does not reflect well upon you, that's all I can say. 

Ok, enough of this thread for a while.

It is my temperament and demand for high principles that led to the blood fought establishment of this republic.  Not yours.  Yours is what was fought.

 

[dutch]

It is my temperament and demand for high principles that led to the blood fought establishment of this republic.  Not yours.  Yours is what was fought.

Jesus called, he wants his cross back.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Looks like it's actually the State Department turning over official, work-related emails that were recovered to Judicial Watch.

I was thinking it would be pretty effed up if they were just going to release her private emails to the public.

Uhm these are possibly emails that Hillary claimed were 'private' - we don't know when these were deleted, but if they were part of the December 2014 batch which she said were all private it wouldn't be surprising.

 

[badmojo1006]

So, did anyone ever resolve whether Hillary has Parkinson's disease or not? I think I saw that somewhere in the 1107 pages of quibbling.

And where is Tim? I was hoping for more entertainment!

Are you freaking kidding me? This is so pathetic...

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

 

I think he's saying Koya is taxing him without giving him representation.

 

[Gucci Fur]

Partial transcript from a Hillary speech in 2012:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2f-_vtw0jWg

Her odds of making it through her first term realistically are around 10℅.

I hope everyone is prepared for Mr Rogers to be the most powerful man in the world.

 

[apalmer]

Partial transcript from a Hillary speech in 2012:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2f-_vtw0jWg

Her odds of making it through her first term realistically are around 10℅.

I hope everyone is prepared for Mr Rogers to be the most powerful man in the world.

Trump has already mobilized the 2nd Amendment people to try and make sure of it.

 

[Gucci Fur]

On this day in history:

8/17/1998: Bill Clinton admits on national television that he is dishonest and unethical.

Apparently banging interns in the oval office and leaving used ditty rags in the closet were acceptable behavior for the President back in the day. I doubt that kind of patriarchal abuse would fly in [current year].

I wonder if Hillary will get on national television tonight and confess her own perjury and corrupt behavior. Hard to believe these two clowns have been bull####ting America for so long.

 

[The Commish]

Clinton announces her November transition team.

Isn't Salazar a big TPP proponent?  See Tim....nothing to worry about.     

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Clinton announces her November transition team.

Isn't Salazar a big TPP proponent?  See Tim....nothing to worry about.     

There's more important #### to talk about.

And people wonder why there is no policy talk here.

First of all there is no policy debate. It's Hillary vs a totally ridiculous set of ideas dreamed up by the 3rd grade brain of Don Drumpf.

Secondly - so much of what Hillary talks about on policy is totally unreliable. The TPP is going to happen under her watch. But the most absurd thing to me is how she whitewashed her book by editing out the portions where she praised TPP and had featured it as one of her major accomplishments at State. Yeah the whole honesty/trust thing does matter policy wise, that's a very good reason why it is discussed here.

 

[TobiasFunke]

On this day in history:

8/17/1998: Bill Clinton admits on national television that he is dishonest and unethical.

Apparently banging interns in the oval office and leaving used ditty rags in the closet were acceptable behavior for the President back in the day. I doubt that kind of patriarchal abuse would fly in [current year].

I wonder if Hillary will get on national television tonight and confess her own perjury and corrupt behavior. Hard to believe these two clowns have been bull####ting America for so long.

2016.  The current year is 2016. 

How do you know the month and day but not the year?  You have a weird calendar.

 

[cstu]

Looks like it's actually the State Department turning over official, work-related emails that were recovered to Judicial Watch.

I was thinking it would be pretty effed up if they were just going to release her private emails to the public.

Right, and that's what I heard reported on NPR yesterday.

 

[The Commish]

Clinton announces her November transition team.

Isn't Salazar a big TPP proponent?  See Tim....nothing to worry about.     

There's more important #### to talk about.

And people wonder why there is no policy talk here.

First of all there is no policy debate. It's Hillary vs a totally ridiculous set of ideas dreamed up by the 3rd grade brain of Don Drumpf.

Secondly - so much of what Hillary talks about on policy is totally unreliable. The TPP is going to happen under her watch. But the most absurd thing to me is how she whitewashed her book by editing out the portions where she praised TPP and had featured it as one of her major accomplishments at State. Yeah the whole honesty/trust thing does matter policy wise, that's a very good reason why it is discussed here.

Apologies to the person I was conversing with a few hundred pages ago (don't remember who it was) regarding "evolving on an issue" vs "representing the peoples' wishes on an issue", but TPP is one of those examples where she could be leading rather than explaining away her flip flopping on the issue.  I don't know if she's verbalized her flip back to being "pro" with respect to TPP, but that's where we're headed which is unfortunate and also correctly predicted.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Looks like it's actually the State Department turning over official, work-related emails that were recovered to Judicial Watch.

I was thinking it would be pretty effed up if they were just going to release her private emails to the public.

Right, and that's what I heard reported on NPR yesterday.

Not being facetious here. You guys understand what's going on right? Hillary deleted them, tried to destroy them, then claimed they were private, and now the FBI & State have looked at many of them and have decided they are not private. That's clear, right?

 

[cstu]

Apologies to the person I was conversing with a few hundred pages ago regarding "evolving on an issue" vs "representing the peoples' wishes on an issue", but TPP is one of those examples where she could be leading rather than explaining away her flip flopping on the issue.  I don't know if she's verbalized her flip back to being "pro" with respect to TPP, but that's where we're headed which is unfortunate and also correctly predicted.

You don't call something the 'gold standard' and then 'evolve' and decide it's a bad deal.  She has always been for it but has been saying what she needs to say to get elected.  She can claim she completely opposes it now because it will likely get approved by Congress before she even takes office. 

 

[RCon]

Not being facetious here. You guys understand what's going on right? Hillary deleted them, tried to destroy them, then claimed they were private, and now the FBI & State have looked at many of them and have decided they are not private. That's clear, right?

Very clear to most people.  Willfully ignored by others.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Very clear to most people.  Willfully ignored by others.

I can't imagine why

 

[Rove!]

I can't imagine why

Yes, I can't imagine why anybody would believe her anymore

- oh if my husband lied under oath that would be very serous, but he didn't and those saying he did are part of a big conspiracy

- those people attacked because of a video

- oh wait it was the fog of war... (Nope)

- there weren't any weapons headed to Syria....ooops

- there was no pay for play at state...oops there was

i could do this all day, but pretty much when a claim is made and she denies it, the facts come out and show the claim is right and she lied again.  How many more times can she cry wolf and you will still believe her?

 

[Koya]

Yes, I can't imagine why anybody would believe her anymore

- oh if my husband lied under oath that would be very serous, but he didn't and those saying he did are part of a big conspiracy

- those people attacked because of a video

- oh wait it was the fog of war... (Nope)

- there weren't any weapons headed to Syria....ooops

- there was no pay for play at state...oops there was

i could do this all day, but pretty much when a claim is made and she denies it, the facts come out and show the claim is right and she lied again.  How many more times can she cry wolf and you will still believe her?

Except by most objective accounts, she is far more forthcoming and honest than just about any other candidate that has run - and compared to Trump it's laughable. Again, I don't like Hillary, not since she carpetbagged her way into representing my State, where she had no roots nor history.

But the lack of context and the willful witchhunt and vilification of Hillary is far more an indictment of those hell bent on persecuting her than it is a statement on her trustworthiness or lack thereof. 

It's really pretty sad overall, especially in comparison to Trump. That makes it clearly laughable, if the stakes were not so high.

Now, you want to say neither is worthy of trust and you want to go in another direction, that's fine.  But if you pretend that Hillary "can't be trusted" yet Trump somehow is worthy of such trust, again, that says more about you than it does about any candidate. 

Ok, I promised not to get sucked back into this charade, thank god I've got my draft spot in a couple leagues... more earnest conversations occur in the chat feed of mock drafts than in most political threads in the FFA.

 

[Rove!]

Except by most objective accounts, she is far more forthcoming and honest than just about any other candidate that has run - and compared to Trump it's laughable. Again, I don't like Hillary, not since she carpetbagged her way into representing my State, where she had no roots nor history.

But the lack of context and the willful witchhunt and vilification of Hillary is far more an indictment of those hell bent on persecuting her than it is a statement on her trustworthiness or lack thereof. 

It's really pretty sad overall, especially in comparison to Trump. That makes it clearly laughable, if the stakes were not so high.

Now, you want to say neither is worthy of trust and you want to go in another direction, that's fine.  But if you pretend that Hillary "can't be trusted" yet Trump somehow is worthy of such trust, again, that says more about you than it does about any candidate. 

Ok, I promised not to get sucked back into this charade, thank god I've got my draft spot in a couple leagues... more earnest conversations occur in the chat feed of mock drafts than in most political threads in the FFA.

For the record, neither Clinton nor Trump are fit for the office.  I find it ironic that Tobias chose to use the Peter and The Wolf analogy, when it it is Clinton that is proven over and over again to be fabricating.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Very clear to most people.  Willfully ignored by others.

I can't imagine why

And just to be clear you think the wolf is there but people aren't listening (*duh VRWC did it) or you think these aren't the emails that Hillary destroyed and claimed were private so there's no wolf? The story ends with an actual wolf of course.

I guess you could be agnostic, and hey that's fine. I don't really know either, the feds haven't told us when these were deleted.

 

[TobiasFunke]

And just to be clear you think the wolf is there but people aren't listening (*duh VRWC did it) or you think these aren't the emails that Hillary destroyed and claimed were private?

I guess you could be agnostic, and hey that's fine. I don't really know either, the feds haven't told us when these were deleted.

No, I'm saying that there have been so many wild exaggerations and false allegations regarding Hillary Clinton from her detractors that at this point most people can't be bothered to do the legwork necessary to figure out if this new charge is one of the 98% that fall under those descriptions or the 2% of charges that had merit. So they reasonably assume this falls into the 98% category. 

You can count me as one of those "can't be bothered" people at this point.  I spent hours carefully and patiently explaining to people why her conduct w/r/t the emails was, while sloppy and worthy of condemnation, likely not a violation of any of the criminal statutes people commonly cited. I pointed out how making her conduct fit the cited provisions was at best a square peg/round hole type situation that prosecutors would likely shy away from. I won over zero people with this argument ... even after I was proven to be 100% correct there were still conspiracy theorists criticizing the legal process and others just calling her a criminal regardless of the facts.  I don't really have the energy to do that again. I'd much rather spend the next three months making Trump jokes instead.  Check back with me if she's president and we can dance again, GB.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Not being facetious here. You guys understand what's going on right? Hillary deleted them, tried to destroy them, then claimed they were private, and now the FBI & State have looked at many of them and have decided they are not private. That's clear, right?

And none of it matters because the morons in the Republican party put forth Trump. It's unbelievable to see the opportunity they were given just pissed away.

 

[The Commish]

Except by most objective accounts, she is far more forthcoming and honest than just about any other candidate that has run - and compared to Trump it's laughable. Again, I don't like Hillary, not since she carpetbagged her way into representing my State, where she had no roots nor history.

But the lack of context and the willful witchhunt and vilification of Hillary is far more an indictment of those hell bent on persecuting her than it is a statement on her trustworthiness or lack thereof. 

It's really pretty sad overall, especially in comparison to Trump. That makes it clearly laughable, if the stakes were not so high.

Now, you want to say neither is worthy of trust and you want to go in another direction, that's fine.  But if you pretend that Hillary "can't be trusted" yet Trump somehow is worthy of such trust, again, that says more about you than it does about any candidate. 

Ok, I promised not to get sucked back into this charade, thank god I've got my draft spot in a couple leagues... more earnest conversations occur in the chat feed of mock drafts than in most political threads in the FFA.

This is the ONLY way it's sad.  This is the single comparison we can make where she comes out on the  "positive" side of the argument.  Yeah, it's an incredibly weak and fruitless argument, but at least she comes out on the right side of it.  It's quite the bar being set.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And none of it matters because the morons in the Republican party put forth Trump. It's unbelievable to see the opportunity they were given just pissed away.

It is stunning. See the separate thread on Hannity & Co.

 

[RCon]

I can't imagine why

So...  which part of this didn't happen, then?

Hillary deleted them, tried to destroy them, then claimed they were private, and now the FBI & State have looked at many of them and have decided they are not private.