Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (5 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Now CK is a political pundit as well...this might sway the election.

San Francisco 49er quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who recently refused to stand during the national anthem at a preseason game, just unloaded on Hillary Clinton.

“We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate,” he said, referring to the 15,000 emails Clinton “wiped” from her private, unsecured server she used during her tenure as secretary of State. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”“If it was any other person, they’d be in prison,” he said.” So what is this country really standing for?”

Kaep has gotten really ridiculous in a short period of time. Is this from the presser where he's wearing the Fidel Castro t-shirt? You think Castro is a fan of transparency and good government?

 

[Da Guru]

Kaep has gotten really ridiculous in a short period of time. Is this from the presser where he's wearing the Fidel Castro t-shirt? You think Castro is a fan of transparency and good government?

No..but neither is Obama.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No..but neither is Obama.

Comparing Castro and Obama and in terms of government transparency is like comparing Kaepernick and Brady in terms of quarterbacking.

 

[cstu]

Mr. Trump, in the interview, said he saw little use in standing at lecterns and pretending to debate his opponent.

“I know who I am, and it got me here,” Mr. Trump said, boasting of success in his 11 primary debate appearances and in capturing the Republican nomination over veteran politicians and polished debaters. “I don’t want to present a false front. I mean, it’s possible we’ll do a mock debate, but I don’t see a real need.”

Mr. Trump’s certitude — “I know how to handle Hillary,” he said — reflects his belief that the debates will be won or lost not on policy points and mastery of details, which are Mrs. Clinton’s strengths, but on the authenticity, boldness and leadership that the nominees demonstrate onstage. Mr. Trump is certain that he holds advantages here, saying Mrs. Clinton is likely to come across as a typical politician spouting rehearsed lines.

Damn, he's got it all figured out.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Not always. Everyone was in agreement that Obama lost the first debate to Romney.  The commentators at MSNBC were acting like their hair was on fire and I thought Chris Matthews was going have a stroke.

And then we have this moment from another debate in which there was a clear winner to most observers from this exchange:

"Please proceed Governor"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFwtuInlMew

Not counting on any such consensus this time around. Hillary could have 5 "You're no Jack Kennedy" moments and the Trump supporters will still be claiming victory. 

 

[Da Guru]

Comparing Castro and Obama and in terms of government transparency is like comparing Kaepernick and Brady in terms of quarterbacking.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Not always. Everyone was in agreement that Obama lost the first debate to Romney.  The commentators at MSNBC were acting like their hair was on fire and I thought Chris Matthews was going have a stroke.

And then we have this moment from another debate in which there was a clear winner to most observers from this exchange:

"Please proceed Governor"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFwtuInlMew

I said further up that it's usually moments like this that define campaigns (rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly, like Nixon/Kennedy) but I don't think the usual rules are going to apply with Trump/Hillary.

Trump could come out with a clown nose on, no one would be surprised. Hillary could call him a fascist, Trump could call her a criminal. Trump may not even remember his own policies, he may not even answer the questions asked, this thing is going to be totally unpredictable.

IMO I think Hillary has to not play his game and let it be a Reality TV show. Trump has to avoid letting it be Hillary's game and needs to stay away from any kind of depth on policy or knowledge.

However that Crowley moment reflects that Trump should not expect any neutrality from the mods, and actually I would not be surprised one bit if he turns it into a ****show of epic proportions by turning it into a fight between him and the mods and leave Hillary entirely alone.

I think he respects the Clintons in a weird way and I would not be surprised if he leaves Hillary alone mostly and largely turns it into a fight about fairness at the debate. The guy wants a total dramatic throwdown, that is my guess about one way that could happen.

 

[squistion]

Kaep has gotten really ridiculous in a short period of time. Is this from the presser where he's wearing the Fidel Castro t-shirt? You think Castro is a fan of transparency and good government?

It wasn't a Fidel Castro t-shirt, per se, at least not what one might expect that description, which would be some variation of a Che Guevara shirt with an image of Castro.

Instead the center of the shirt had four photographs, one of Malcolm X meeting with Castro in NY in 1960. And Kaep was wearing a cap with an X on it, so it may have been more of a homage to Malcolm X rather than an endorsement of Castro and/or his oppressive Communist regime. I don't know if Kaep has discussed what message he was sending with the shirt, but until he does there is some ambiguity as to the meaning.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It wasn't a Fidel Castro t-shirt, per se, at least not what one might expect that description, which would be some variation of a Che Guevara shirt with an image of Castro.

Instead the center of the shirt had four photographs, one of Malcolm X meeting with Castro in NY in 1960. And Kaep was wearing a cap with an X on it, so it may have been more of a homage to Malcolm X rather than an endorsement of Castro and/or his oppressive Communist regime. I don't know if Kaep has discussed what message he was sending with the shirt, but until he does there is some ambiguity as to the meaning.

Well he doesn't have to endorse it but it seems pretty absurd. Hey I was trying to stand up for Hillary here. If you think he had a point and should be taken seriously, please go right ahead.

 

[squistion]

Well he doesn't have to endorse it but it seems pretty absurd. Hey I was trying to stand up for Hillary here. If you think he had a point and should be taken seriously, please go right ahead.

Be still my heart.

I don't know what his point was exactly and until he clarifies it, no one else does either. It was dumb choice from a PR perspective, which I think can all agree on.

As a aside, some background on the history of the Malcolm X and Castro meeting in 1960 from which the photo was taken:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2016/08/the_history_behind_colin_kaepernick_s_malcolm_x_meets_fidel_castro_t_shirt.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Be still my heart.

I don't know what his point was exactly and until he clarifies it, no one else does either. It was dumb choice from a PR perspective, which I think can all agree on.

As a aside, some background on the history of the Malcolm X and Castro meeting in 1960 from which the photo was taken:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2016/08/the_history_behind_colin_kaepernick_s_malcolm_x_meets_fidel_castro_t_shirt.html

Thanks, good background. I had never heard of it, so I'll give him that much.

The t-shirt reads: "Like Minds Think Alike."

That refers to Malcolm & Castro. I'm going to say I don't need to give Malcolm any benefit of the doubt and know those two men were not alike and they did not think alike. I don't think Malcolm really knew who he was dealing with, and I'll say Kaep did not either.

Getting back to the point, Kaep criticizing Hillary while wearing this thing reminds me of Limbaugh criticizing her while calling the Obama administration 'the regime'. Totally out of whack perspectives at play.

 

[CBusAlex]

- There hasn't been any legitimate policy discussion because Trump doesn't have any legitimate policies, and there really isn't a race because one of the campaigns isn't even racing.

Pretty much. Every now and then I feel the urge to ask people to stop responding to obvious trolls... but then I realize there's literally nothing else to talk about in here.

 

[BassNBrew]

Comparing Castro and Clinton and in terms of government transparency is like comparing Kaepernick and Brady in terms of quarterbacking.

One's inept and the other cheats?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

One's inept and the other cheats?

Ha, ok, it's getting more interesting if we consider Hillary just let some air out her server more or less...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Pretty much. Every now and then I feel the urge to ask people to stop responding to obvious trolls... but then I realize there's literally nothing else to talk about in here.

I know it's comforting to think of the Trump supporters as trolls, but he's polling around 38% in four-way polls.  The people that comprise that 38% have to come from somewhere.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

She's giving a speech now and looks absolutely awful, like a reanimated corpse. What the hell is wrong with her?

She looked fine during her comments about Trump flying down there. 

 

[cstu]

During the American Legion speech she looked pale and exhausted with huge bags under her eyes, and was practically mumbling. Very low energy. Sad!

Oh no, a nearly 69 year old Presidential candidate with bags under her eyes!!!

 

[dutch]

During the American Legion speech she looked pale and exhausted with huge bags under her eyes, and was practically mumbling. Very low energy. Sad!

I'm thinking ebola.

NB:  while I did not examine her in person and I am not really a doctor I feel qualified to give this diagnosis based on my extensive experience in internet chat rooms where I've increased my knowledge of all things 10 fold.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

During the American Legion speech she looked pale and exhausted with huge bags under her eyes, and was practically mumbling. Very low energy. Sad!

She does look kind of worn out.

Kind of like a worn out 70 year old woman would look, there are gonna be some bad days. Presidential campaign is a grind. I think also we're really used to seeing older men in positions of power, but some days this is how our president is going to look.

 

[Gr00vus]

She does look kind of worn out.

Kind of like a worn out 70 year old woman would look, there are gonna be some bad days. Presidential campaign is a grind. I think also we're really used to seeing older men in positions of power, but some days this is how our president is going to look.

Looks the same as she always does to me, except her hair is flat and oily. I blame the hairdresser if she loses this thing.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Looks the same as she always does to me, except her hair is flat and oily. I blame the hairdresser if she loses this thing.

Yeah it's the hair. Might be the conditioner. I dunno, it just doesn't have the body it used to.

Now Trump, there's presidential hair. Floppin' in the wind. Proud. Resilient. Beautiful

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sure, but a lot of people are saying she lays down and goes to sleep every night for up to 7 or even 8 hours. Yet she still looks like this. Something is going on.

If the GOP had run Rubio, this would have been a fun and great argument.

Old Lady vs Old Guy with specialized hair wrap and tanning face treatments? Not so much.

 

[cstu]

Sure, but a lot of people are saying she lays down and goes to sleep every night for up to 7 or even 8 hours. Yet she still looks like this. Something is going on.

What does your mom look like?

 

[CBusAlex]

Sure, but a lot of people are saying she lays down and goes to sleep every night

Seems suspicious to me.

 

[Gr00vus]

I know it's comforting to think of the Trump supporters as trolls, but he's polling around 38% in four-way polls.  The people that comprise that 38% have to come from somewhere.

Sadly, I think 38% of U.S. citizens would vote for a sack of dirt if you slapped an R or a D on it. Maybe one of the parties will try that in 2020.

 

[Parrothead]

She's giving a speech now and looks absolutely awful, like a reanimated corpse. What the hell is wrong with her?

didn't drink enough blood last night

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Clinton may have sent even more classified info through email


Over the past two months, the FBI turned over to the State Department seven DVDs containing emails and other material retrieved from Hillary Clinton's private, unsecured email servers. At least one of those DVDs contained communications that were deemed to be classified.

A Justice Department attorney made the disclosure during a hearing Wednesday in US District Court in Washington, DC, part of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit VICE News filed against the FBI for a wide range of records the bureau recovered from Clinton's server.

During the 45-minute hearing, DOJ attorney Jennie Kneedler said the FBI sent the State Department two DVDs on July 21: one containing 14,900 documents, and the other containing an unknown number of classified records. It's unclear whether any of those classified documents are the same communications that have already been identified and reviewed by the State Department, or if they're an entirely new batch of records. Attorney Ryan James, who is representing VICE News, said Kneedler did not further elaborate.

On Tuesday, the State Department said that about 30 of the deleted emails on the DVDs were related to the attacks at the US diplomatic mission at Benghazi, Libya. That info was disclosed in a near identical FOIA lawsuit filed against the State Department by the public interest group Judicial Watch, whose FOIA lawsuit against the State Department was also where details were first disclosed about the 14,900 deleted emails recovered by the FBI. VICE News and Judicial Watch will obtain the deleted emails from State simultaneously. The FBI is responsible for ensuring that State processes and releases the records to VICE News, Moss said.

On August 5, the FBI sent five more DVDs to the State Department. One of the DVDs, the FBI believes, contains some or all of the 30,000 emails that Clinton's aides turned over to the State Department in late 2014. It's unknown what types of records are on the other four DVDs, but US District Court Judge Randolph Moss ordered the government attorneys to disclose that information and provide a timetable for the release of the records by September 23. ...

https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-may-have-sent-even-more-classified-info-through-email

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why did Clinton decide not to keep her personal emails?

As Clinton has said before, these were private, personal messages, including emails about her daughter's wedding plans, her mother's funeral services and condolence notes, as well as emails on family vacations, yoga routines, and other items one would typically find in their own email account, such as offers from retailers, spam, etc.

... As noted, the emails that Clinton chose not to keep were personal emails—they were not federal records or even work-related—and therefore were not subject to any preservation obligation under the Federal Records Act or any request.

 

[chauncey]

Link to Hillary's speech in front of tens of senior citizens at an American Legion stop in OH today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfm4unbyHV0#t=3282

It is baffling that any veteran would clap for this traitorous criminal. 

She looks so tired. Even she doesn't believe a word she is saying. 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the MKUltra rumors were true.

 

[Max Power]

that crowd's applause today was sad. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

One's inept and the other cheats?

POTD.

 

[bueno]

Sadly, I think 38% of U.S. citizens would vote for a sack of dirt if you slapped an R or a D on it. Maybe one of the parties will try that in 2020.

I think they are trying that this election.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I think they are trying that this election.

Not dirt this election, manure.

 

[timschochet]

She looks so tired. 

This isn't working. So many conservatives are repeating it, desperate to create something that's not there. But nobody who doesn't already hate her is buying into it. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I know it's comforting to think of the Trump supporters as trolls, but he's polling around 38% in four-way polls.  The people that comprise that 38% have to come from somewhere.

Under bridges. 

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

A record number of Americans now dislike Hillary Clinton

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-record-number-of-americans-now-dislike-hillary-clinton/

Hillary Clinton hit her stride after the Democratic National Convention, riding to a double-digit lead over Donald Trump in some national and swing-state polls — her highest of the year.

As of today, though, Americans' views of her just hit a record low.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows 41 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of Clinton, while 56 percent have an unfavorable one.

That's the worst image Clinton has had in her quarter-century in national public life. Her previous low favorable rating this year was in July, when it was 42 percent, lower than any mark in historical Post-ABC polls except a few points in the 1990s when a large share of the public had no opinion of her. Her previous high for unfavorable views was in June, when 55 percent disliked Clinton.

Trump, of course, has long been the more unpopular of the two presidential nominees, and he remains so; 35 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of him, compared to 63 percent unfavorable.

But if you look just at registered voters, the new poll actually shows Clinton's image is about as bad as Trump's, with 38 percent having a favorable impression and 59 percent unfavorable, compared to a 37/60 split for Trump.

Clinton's numbers serve as a reminder that Trump's unpopularity isn't prohibitive, largely because Americans — and specifically registered voters — don't much like Clinton either. If it weren't for Trump, in fact, Clinton would be the most unpopular major-party presidential nominee in modern American history.

Perhaps most notably, Clinton's image has declined significantly from just a month ago. After the Democratic convention, Americans were about evenly split — 48 percent favorable and 50 percent unfavorable.

Interestingly, Clinton's numbers appear to have dropped since that early August poll mostly in groups that have been very supportive of her:

• Her favorable rating among women dropped from 54 percent to just 45 percent.
  
• Among Hispanics, it went from 71 percent to 55 percent.
  
• Among liberals, it went from 76 percent to 63 percent.
  

It's not clear quite what might have caused Clinton to fall further than ever before. It's likely that she simply got an extended bounce after the Democratic convention that has finally faded. It's also possible that adverse headlines last week about the Clinton Foundation and thousands of newly discovered emails from the private email server Clinton used as secretary of state reinforced the reasons views of her had been worsening prior to the July conventions.

But before that convention, it was clear that Clinton was headed in the wrong direction and setting new records for her unpopularity. As I wrote back then, Gallup and CNN polls at the time showed her numbers worse than ever before — and even worse than Trump at the time.

Clinton's image has been on a downward trajectory since her tenure as a highly popular secretary of state ended in 2013, and the decline continued through the primary campaign. That's largely been obscured by her lead in the horse-race polls — a lead that owes to Trump's inferior image and likely Clinton's advantages on her qualifications to serve as president.

But Clinton is keeping this race competitive with her own personal problems. And right now, the voters who will determine the next president don't like her much more than they like Trump.

 

[The Commish]

Better adjust that formatting Baloney...don't want the formatting police in here   at you.

 

[The Commish]

Among liberals, it went from 76 percent to 63 percent.

This will tend to happen when you begin looking at her actions rather than listening to her  

It's not clear quite what might have caused Clinton to fall further than ever before

ummm.....it's not?

 

[timschochet]

Even if you don't like her, please vote for her anyhow. Trump's numbers are rising; nobody can afford to stay on the sidelines any longer. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Even if you don't like her, please vote for her anyhow. Trump's numbers are rising; nobody can afford to stay on the sidelines any longer. 

You sound a tad bit like Hannity pre-blaming nevertrumpers for electing Hillary. The problem is the people who nominated these crappy candidates. Read Baloney's article above and see if you can glean where the problem lies.

 

[timschochet]

You sound a tad bit like Hannity pre-blaming nevertrumpers for electing Hillary. The problem is the people who nominated these crappy candidates. Read Baliney's article above and see if you can glean where the problem lies.

Not sure how you see this analogy. Personally, as you know, I don't regard Hillary as a crappy candidate. But if you do, I argue that it's irrelevant. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Even if you don't like her, please vote for her anyhow. Trump's numbers are rising; nobody can afford to stay on the sidelines any longer. 

If it wasn't for people like you, Trump would be getting pounded by a better candidate.  (I don't necessarily mean Bernie -- there would have been other folks in the race if Clinton hadn't strong-armed everybody out).  In the highly unlikely event that Trump wins, Clinton cheerleaders need to take a long look in the mirror.  You guys backed the only candidate he could possibly beat.

 

[timschochet]

And if Hillary loses I'm not going to blame anyone. I am not saying it is your responsibility to vote for Hillary. I am asking for your help. 

 

[The Commish]

Beds have been made....

 

[pantagrapher]

If it wasn't for people like you, Trump would be getting pounded by a better candidate.  (I don't necessarily mean Bernie -- there would have been other folks in the race if Clinton hadn't strong-armed everybody out).  In the highly unlikely event that Trump wins, Clinton cheerleaders need to take a long look in the mirror.  You guys backed the only candidate he could possibly beat.

Oh, you concern trolls. Keep being you.

 

[timschochet]

If it wasn't for people like you, Trump would be getting pounded by a better candidate.  (I don't necessarily mean Bernie -- there would have been other folks in the race if Clinton hadn't strong-armed everybody out).  In the highly unlikely event that Trump wins, Clinton cheerleaders need to take a long look in the mirror.  You guys backed the only candidate he could possibly beat.

Obviously I don't believe this. And we'll never know. But it's too late anyhow. The only pertinent issue now is what's going to happen in November. I hope everyone who detests Trump will come to realize that a vote for Hillary is the best way to repudiate him. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

If it wasn't for people like you, Trump would be getting pounded by a better candidate.  (I don't necessarily mean Bernie -- there would have been other folks in the race if Clinton hadn't strong-armed everybody out).  In the highly unlikely event that Trump wins, Clinton cheerleaders need to take a long look in the mirror.  You guys backed the only candidate he could possibly beat.

As do the people who refuse to vote for her because they don't love her.

This argument- let's call it the Commish/Sinn Fein argument -is based on the obviously false premise that negative results can be isolated to a single cause.  That's not the case.  If Trump is elected president we'll all bear some measure of responsibility. Yes, that includes Clinton and those who supported her in the primary assuming there was another option who would have won... but it also includes those who refused to vote for her in the general election even though they are intelligent enough to see that she's clearly preferable to Trump. You don't get a pass, because nobody ever gets exactly what they want, and you should act accordingly.

Hell if it were up to me we'd amend the Constitution and give Obama a third term. But I'm not gonna blame the people who enacted the 22nd Amendment if Trump wins, because that would be stupid and pointless.  You play the cards you're dealt.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Oh, you concern trolls. Keep being you.

Not a concern troll.  I deeply dislike Hillary, and I would enjoy seeing her lose if that didn't somehow translate to Trump becoming president.

Another way to put it is that if Trump becomes president and blows up the world, my dying thoughts will be "Well, at least Hillary got beaten -- that brought me joy."

 

[The Commish]

If it wasn't for people like you, Trump would be getting pounded by a better candidate.  (I don't necessarily mean Bernie -- there would have been other folks in the race if Clinton hadn't strong-armed everybody out).  In the highly unlikely event that Trump wins, Clinton cheerleaders need to take a long look in the mirror.  You guys backed the only candidate he could possibly beat.

As do the people who refuse to vote for her because they don't love her.

This argument- let's call it the Commish/Sinn Fein argument -is based on the obviously false premise that negative results can be isolated to a single cause.  That's not the case.  If Trump is elected president we'll all bear some measure of responsibility. Yes, that includes Clinton and those who supported her in the primary ... but it also includes those who refused to vote for her in the general election even though they are intelligent enough to see that she's clearly preferable to Trump. 

Nobody ever gets exactly what they want. Hell if it were up to me we'd amend the Constitution and give Obama a third term. But I'm not gonna blame the people who enacted the 22nd Amendment if Trump wins, because that would be stupid and pointless.  You play the cards you're dealt.

It's like you haven't read a thing I've posted.  I have never, ever played the "Don't look at me, I didn't vote for....." card and I fully acknowledge there are many moving pieces.  I have four cards to play this go around.  I'll play the one that best suits the direction I think this country should go, just like I do every other election.

The problem I have with most of the    around this subject is the insistence that I only have two cards.  That's categorically false.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's like you haven't read a thing I've posted.  I have never, ever played the "Don't look at me, I didn't vote for....." card and I fully acknowledge there are many moving pieces.  I have four cards to play this go around.  I'll play the one that best suits the direction I think this country should go, just like I do every other election.

The problem I have with most of the    around this subject is the insistence that I only have two cards.  That's categorically false.

To be fair, the recent sniping with Tim hasn't exactly been enticing reading

I understand your perspective.  I'm simply saying that your decision to vote in that manner means you'll bear some responsibility if Trump loses (assuming you would vote Clinton if you were forced to pick one of the two). And to be clear I would also bear some responsibility, either for not doing enough to support an alternative during the primaries or for not doing enough to support Clinton during the general.  Neither of us would bear as much responsibility as a Trump voter, of course, but that doesn't mean we get off scot-free.  We're all in this mess together.