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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

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If it really were exhaustion, there's no reason for a rich woman with a private doctor at her side to be admitted.
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New spin: "Hillary is so selfless that she gave up a hospital bed so a more needy person could use it!"

 
Murph said:
And dismissing those criticisms turns off a segment of voters who might otherwise be willing to jump on the Clinton train. You can call it false equivalency but it is a real segment of the electorate that just says a pox on both their houses.
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I don't dismiss them.  I just ask that they be applied fairly and with equal weight to both candidates. As I just said in the other thread, doing otherwise amounts to supporting Trump, whether you intend to do so or not.  Voting is not the only way we the people affect the process.

 
Murph said:
I think you're overestimating the number of people making the "therefore, Trump" argument. His actual supporters don't care what Hillary does so that isn't really their argument. And many of her critics in this thread have no plans to vote for the orange one.
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Wait...his supporters don't care what she does?  His supporters defense of him is usually to complain about something she has done?

 
Murph said:
I think you're overestimating the number of people making the "therefore, Trump" argument. His actual supporters don't care what Hillary does so that isn't really their argument. And many of her critics in this thread have no plans to vote for the orange one.
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Some of us are hoping that neither can finish the campaign. What would happen if one or both keeled over and died or something? I know in the past one state elected a dead man to the Senate (Carnahan, Missouri in 2000). Three dead people, at least, won a House seat. But there is a procedure for replacing Congress-critters. Would the V.P. be sworn in and thenimmediately be sworn in as President?

 
bueno said:
Some of us are hoping that neither can finish the campaign. What would happen if one or both keeled over and died or something? I know in the past one state elected a dead man to the Senate (Carnahan, Missouri in 2000). Three dead people, at least, won a House seat. But there is a procedure for replacing Congress-critters. Would the V.P. be sworn in and thenimmediately be sworn in as President?
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According to federal election laws Elizabeth Warren would become President and Harry Reid VP.

 
 
Rove! said:
Tim Kaine denies the existence of "sanctuary cities."

that should, no doubt, lead to some productive discussion
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AFAIK no American cities have declared themselves "sanctuary cities".  They have however prevented police from arresting people who were discovered to be here illegally.

 
I suppose I shouldn't be shocked by these results of some of the question in these polls, but the latest PPP poll of VA (Hillary is up 45-39 in a 4 way matchup...50-42 HTH) is just breathtaking :

For Trump supporters:

  • 60% of them that if she wins the election it's because it was rigged
  • 74% of his supporters think she should be impeached on Day 1 if elected
  • 56% of them say Putin is a better leader than Obama (59% have higher opinion of Putin than Clinton)
Deplorable indeed. 

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_VA_91316.pdf

 
Sammy3469 said:
I suppose I shouldn't be shocked by these results of some of the question in these polls, but the latest PPP poll of VA (Hillary is up 45-39 in a 4 way matchup...50-42 HTH) is just breathtaking :

For Trump supporters:

  • 60% of them that if she wins the election it's because it was rigged
  • 74% of his supporters think she should be impeached on Day 1 if elected
  • 56% of them say Putin is a better leader than Obama (59% have higher opinion of Putin than Clinton)
Deplorable indeed. 

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_VA_91316.pdf
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Hillary's deplorable estimate was too low

 
It's awful, but who started "the system is rigged" nonsense? That didn't begin with Trump; it was the Bernie Sanders crowd. If this election is perceived as illegitimate, aren't they at least partly to blame? 

 
timschochet said:
It's awful, but who started "the system is rigged" nonsense? That didn't begin with Trump; it was the Bernie Sanders crowd. If this election is perceived as illegitimate, aren't they at least partly to blame? 
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Just because primaries might be rigged to an extent doesn't mean the general would be.I don't get the argument.

 
timschochet said:
It's awful, but who started "the system is rigged" nonsense? That didn't begin with Trump; it was the Bernie Sanders crowd. If this election is perceived as illegitimate, aren't they at least partly to blame? 
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:lmao: Now I've heard it all. I need to get off the internet for a while.

 
Interestingly enough, it's currently 83 degrees where I live with 70% humidity, or in other words, conditions quite similar to what Hilary faced, if not a few degrees warmer.

Yeah, there's a muggy feeling in the air, but that's not enough.

My point is that the weather was just not a factor.  If that were the case, old people that lived in the South would be feinting everywhere, as this is a mild day compared to what we usually have in the Summer.

 
My point is that the weather was just not a factor. If that were the case, old people that lived in the South would be feinting everywhere, as this is a mild day compared to what we usually have in the Summer.
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Do old people in the south all have pneumonia?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Not sure why she felt the need to lie about this initially, since the story they finally settled on is actually pretty reasonable.
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If it's "frequent" (Bill's word), then that's a big reason to lie about it.

Again, I have no problem with her getting sick. We all get sick. Anyone elected to POTUS is going to get sick over the next 4 years.... It's the lying I'm sick of. Her method of operation always seems to be "lie first". 

 
cstu said:
AFAIK no American cities have declared themselves "sanctuary cities".  They have however prevented police from arresting people who were discovered to be here illegally.
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But you can't call them "phantoms" and expect to have a meaningful conversation

thats just being an #######

 
Slapdash said:
Just pay less attention to that moron
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You can insult me all you want but what I wrote is true. Bernie and his fans attacked the legitimacy of the political system. It's no coincidence that Trump glommed onto this theme and made it his own. Whether from the left or right it's still extremism. 

 
timschochet said:
You can insult me all you want but what I wrote is true. Bernie and his fans attacked the legitimacy of the political system. It's no coincidence that Trump glommed onto this theme and made it his own. Whether from the left or right it's still extremism. 
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Bernie's allegations of "rigging" were completely different than Trump's.  Just because they both say "rigged" doesn't mean they're making the same accusation.

 
timschochet said:
It's awful, but who started "the system is rigged" nonsense? That didn't begin with Trump; it was the Bernie Sanders crowd. If this election is perceived as illegitimate, aren't they at least partly to blame? 
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"System is rigged" has been around for as long as I can remember.  Not sure what good the blame game is, but if you want to blame someone, blame anyone that appears to be contributing to the belief instead of trying to stamp it out.  It's a long long list, but there should be plenty to go around.

 
timschochet said:
You can insult me all you want but what I wrote is true. Bernie and his fans attacked the legitimacy of the political system. It's no coincidence that Trump glommed onto this theme and made it his own. Whether from the left or right it's still extremism. 
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Bernie and his fans didn't attack the political system. They attacked the democratic party's system. And in the end, evidence came out that proved them right, so much so that the party made an official apology to him for it, and fired their director.

Trump on the other hand has gone on record saying the elections themselves are rigged. He's attacking the political system. Surely you can see the difference. 

 
Politician Spock said:
Bernie and his fans didn't attack the political system. They attacked the democratic party's system. And in the end, evidence came out that proved them right, so much so that the party made an official apology to him for it, and fired their director.

Trump on the other hand has gone on record saying the elections themselves are rigged. He's attacking the political system. Surely you can see the difference. 
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You expect too much of this guy

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Bernie's allegations of "rigging" were completely different than Trump's.  Just because they both say "rigged" doesn't mean they're making the same accusation.
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I don't see much difference frankly. The underlying theme is that our institutions are corrupt. It's true that Trump has been less specific and far cruder than Bernie was, but once you begin with the belief that our leaders are crooked and not to be trusted, it's not a big jump at all to assume that any election outcome is going to be fixed. 

 
timschochet said:
I don't see much difference frankly. The underlying theme is that our institutions are corrupt. It's true that Trump has been less specific and far cruder than Bernie was, but once you begin with the belief that our leaders are crooked and not to be trusted, it's not a big jump at all to assume that any election outcome is going to be fixed. 
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Also incorrect versus correct.  You're too smart to deny that the Democrat Party attempted to rig the nomination for Hillary.

 
Politician Spock said:
Bernie and his fans didn't attack the political system. They attacked the democratic party's system. And in the end, evidence came out that proved them right, so much so that the party made an official apology to him for it, and fired their director.

Trump on the other hand has gone on record saying the elections themselves are rigged. He's attacking the political system. Surely you can see the difference. 
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Absolutely Sanders attacked the political system. He said its rigged on behalf of Wall Street. He said we need a political revolution. He wasn't just talking about the Democratic Party. 

 
Lets not get carried away with either side of the "rigged" argument.  We (America) have a long history of corruption in elections - from Tammany Hall to nearly any election in New Orleans or Chicago - to hanging chads.  Then you layer on top the "legal" rigging by gerrymandering districts, and any number of initiatives making it harder for people to vote.  We like to think we run clean elections - we don't.

But, its the way the game is played.  Everyone understands the rules going in.  I am not ready to say the electronic ballots are "rigged" or hacked, or that ballot boxes will go missing - but would it really surprise anyone?

 
timschochet said:
I don't see much difference frankly. The underlying theme is that our institutions are corrupt. It's true that Trump has been less specific and far cruder than Bernie was, but once you begin with the belief that our leaders are crooked and not to be trusted, it's not a big jump at all to assume that any election outcome is going to be fixed. 
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My understanding is that when Trump says "rigged" he's talking about voter fraud.  That's not what Bernie was talking about.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Lets not get carried away with either side of the "rigged" argument.  We (America) have a long history of corruption in elections - from Tammany Hall to nearly any election in New Orleans or Chicago - to hanging chads.  Then you layer on top the "legal" rigging by gerrymandering districts, and any number of initiatives making it harder for people to vote.  We like to think we run clean elections - we don't.

But, its the way the game is played.  Everyone understands the rules going in.  I am not ready to say the electronic ballots are "rigged" or hacked, or that ballot boxes will go missing - but would it really surprise anyone?
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fatguyinalittlecoat said:
My understanding is that when Trump says "rigged" he's talking about voter fraud.  That's not what Bernie was talking about.
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I'm guessing Trump is just spewing words without really thinking about them but he does want his deplorables to think voter fraud.  If called out Trump will fall back on Sinn Fein's definition.

 
timschochet said:
Absolutely Sanders attacked the political system. He said its rigged on behalf of Wall Street. He said we need a political revolution. He wasn't just talking about the Democratic Party. 
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Both parties are owned by Wall Street. The parties aren't the political system, and yes the people need to revolt away from both of them. If both parties fold, we still have our political system 100% in tact. It's not an attack on our political system at all. It's an attack on the parties, and a well deserved one I might add. 

 
Pepe strikes back:

https://sli.mg/7VPg5A

Hillary's logo appears to glorify a projectile violently flying through 2 buildings, very similar to the 9/11 attacks by radical Islamic terrorists. 

Makes as much sense as a cartoon frog representing a neo-Nazi movement in America. 

:lmao:

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
My understanding is that when Trump says "rigged" he's talking about voter fraud.  That's not what Bernie was talking about.
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Oh I agree. What I'm saying is that when you begin with the idea that everybody is corrupt, stuff like voter fraud becomes easier to accept. 

Look I am not just blaming Bernie Sanders. For years people on both the right and the left have been yelling at us, don't trust the media! Don't trust the politicians! They're all liars and crooks, etc. And then we're stunned when nearly half of Democrats believe that Bush knew about 9/11, and over half of Republicans think Obama was born in Kenya? And in this thread only a day ago we had serious discussion about a body double for Hillary  Clinton? This stuff shouldn't surprise any of us. 

 
timschochet said:
Oh I agree. What I'm saying is that when you begin with the idea that everybody is corrupt, stuff like voter fraud becomes easier to accept. 

Look I am not just blaming Bernie Sanders. For years people on both the right and the left have been yelling at us, don't trust the media! Don't trust the politicians! They're all liars and crooks, etc. And then we're stunned when nearly half of Democrats believe that Bush knew about 9/11, and over half of Republicans think Obama was born in Kenya? And in this thread only a day ago we had serious discussion about a body double for Hillary  Clinton? This stuff shouldn't surprise any of us. 
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What we are saying is that when you begin with the idea that numerous people belong in the same category (which is a very common tactic for you), you end up putting people who are right in the same group as people who are wrong. 

Bernie and Trump aren't talking abou the same things. And in the end Bernie was proven right. 

 
 
chauncey said:
Pepe strikes back:

https://sli.mg/7VPg5A

Hillary's logo appears to glorify a projectile violently flying through 2 buildings, very similar to the 9/11 attacks by radical Islamic terrorists. 

Makes as much sense as a cartoon frog representing a neo-Nazi movement in America. 

:lmao:
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:lmao:

dovetails with the campaign contriubutions for the Saudis and the support of the "rebels" with sending weapons that were received by ISIS in Syria...

 
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