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David Brock Offers Money for New Dirt on Donald Trump

http://freebeacon.com/politics/david-brock-offers-money-new-dirt-donald-trump/

I expect the same outrage over this offer of money for info?

(inb4 HIPAA. HIPAA shouldn't apply to someone running for President of the USA. Americans deserve to know if their president has a degenerative neurological disorder or terminal cancer, these things could affect their ability to make decisions at critical moments ((like a terrorist attack on a US consulate or storing and transmitting classified intel)))

 
Rich Conway said:
timschochet said:
It's important to note as well that if even the Clinton campaign HAD taken Penn's recommendation it wasn't the same. To say that Obama has "middle eastern roots" is bad enough and subtly racist; to claim that he wasn't born here, that he's illegitimate is BLATANTLY racist. 

Trump is hoping this story will go away now. Hopefully the media won't let it.
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I don't get this at all.  The first statement seems way more racist than the second.  Lots of people of all races weren't born in the US.  Pretty sure Prince William wasn't, and I'm pretty sure I'm not being racist by saying so.
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I've never really understood the birtherism thing, from either side. I never understood why the right latched on to it as a way to disqualify Obama, because they never had any real proof to start with and even if they did it would have been a constitutional question that would have never mattered to me (in a Nation of immigrants, would it really matter if a guy was born a citizen or made one as an infant?)

BUt I never understood the way the left latched on to the right's claims and declared them as racist. As Conway states here, simply pointing out the nation of one's birth is not inherently racist. I never took the meaning to be racist in origin, but anti-Democrat, anti-Obama in origin.

Both side acting stupid, IMHO, and a non-issue I'd rather we would ignore.

 
cstu said:
One candidate lies occasionally and tries to cover it up and the other lies all the time and pretends that he's not lying.  Due to the way many people think the first one is more difficult to trust.
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Yep...and I honestly don't understand it at all

 
timschochet said:
But I'll tell you, Sand, the fact that Donald Trump is this close to the Presidency has ME panicking. I think panic is a reasonable response at this point for any rationally minded person.
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Still think she is "the most qualified candidate in your lifetime" Tim?  You post thousands of times a day but can't answer this question after the third time it's been asked...

 
poopdawg said:
Still think she is "the most qualified candidate in your lifetime" Tim?  You post thousands of times a day but can't answer this question after the third time it's been asked...
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Yes, of course I still think that. What question is it that I haven't answered? 

 
timschochet said:
It's all sleazy. But I think his point was if you specifically encourage getting ahold of somebody's private medical records, that goes beyond sleazy and into the illegal category. 
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no doubt.  I took it as putting out the call to everyone to help find dirt on someone.

 
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timschochet said:
It's all sleazy. But I think his point was if you specifically encourage getting ahold of somebody's private medical records, that goes beyond sleazy and into the illegal category. 
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You know the score on David Brock, sleaze is his stock and trade. You're noticeably silent on the revelations by McClatchy's bureau chief about Blumenthal.

 
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Yes, of course I still think that. What question is it that I haven't answered? 
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The question I asked in my post.  You move your goalposts every day, Tim.  Initially, there was zero chance of her losing according to you, then there are things that are troubling, now you hope she doesn't lose to Donald Trump as if it's a possibility.  

She is a POS...

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You know the score on David Brock, sleaze is his stock and trade. You're noticeably silent on the revelations by McClatchy's bureau chief about Blumenthal.
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I haven't been silent about it. There's been no confirmation of it from any other source. But whatever Blumenthal did, the fact is that the Birther movement only took off when Trump and World Net Daily publicized it, and when the majority of the Republican base accepted it. 

 
poopdawg said:
The question I asked in my post.  You move your goalposts every day, Tim.  Initially, there was zero chance of her losing according to you, then there are things that are troubling, now you hope she doesn't lose to Donald Trump as if it's a possibility.  

She is a POS...
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I never wrote there was zero chance of her losing. You have me confused with somebody else. 

From the beginning Ive always given Trump a decent chance of winning. 

As for your last sentence, you're both crass and wrong. 

 
timschochet said:
It doesn't fit the reality of what Trump has done. It's irrelevant to anybody outside of Clinton haters. 
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I think everyone knows Trump was part of the Birther movement - but the disingenuity is that Clinton, and her surrogates, played no part.  They also played a big part - and probably were the originators of the rumor.  Yes the GOP ran with it - but Clinton does not have the clean hands that she, and the media "fact-checkers" want you to believe.

 
cobalt_27 said:
To Tim, it's fine if Hillary's henchmen attempted to smear Obama, just as long as they weren't effective in doing so.
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Hopefully somebody will respond to this post so you can read it since you're apparently still too cowardly to read my posts yourself. 

You constantly misrepresent what I have written. And I've noted that you also hold me personally responsible for a Trump victory. You're either malevolent, or stupid, or a combination of both. Your comments are irritating because they're so removed from reality; otherwise they're meaningless. Enjoy the rest of your day. 

 
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whitem0nkey said:
Hillary did not start the birther movement. 

politifact
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Yep. Against this there is one guy who claims that Sidney Blumenthal urged him to use Birther material. Not verified by any respectable news source, but all the haters here and elsewhere are running with it like its gospel. 

Not gonna fly. The people who are pissed off by this (mostly blacks but it really should be any decency person) know who was behind this, and what group bought into it. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think everyone knows Trump was part of the Birther movement - but the disingenuity is that Clinton, and her surrogates, played no part.  They also played a big part - and probably were the originators of the rumor.  Yes the GOP ran with it - but Clinton does not have the clean hands that she, and the media "fact-checkers" want you to believe.
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Her hands are clean. You're just wrong about this. 

 
whitem0nkey said:
Hillary did not start the birther movement. 

politifact
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It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

Except there is a credible link to Clinton via Sid Blumenthal now.  So we have the given that the Birther movement started from Clinton supporters, and now Clinton surrogates.  

 
Sinn Fein said:
If the Blumenthal report is true, and I have no reason to doubt the McClatchy Bureau Chief, then that did not happen without Clinton approval.
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Well that's what everybody in the Alt-Right is running with. Guess you've found a home. 

The mainstream news has reported this story much less confirmed it, so yeah I have serious doubts. In any case, it's irrelevant. 

 
timschochet said:
Well that's what everybody in the Alt-Right is running with. Guess you've found a home. 

The mainstream news has reported this story much less confirmed it, so yeah I have serious doubts. In any case, it's irrelevant. 
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So, you think James Asher is just flat out lying when he says Blumenthal told him to investigate Obama's birth?  And Asher sent a reporter to Kenya on his own hunch?  

I don't know Asher, or his political leanings, but it would seem out of place for a Washington Bureau chief for a major news outlet to simply make this story up. :shrug:

 
Sinn Fein said:
So, you think James Asher is just flat out lying when he says Blumenthal told him to investigate Obama's birth?  And Asher sent a reporter to Kenya on his own hunch?  

I don't know Asher, or his political leanings, but it would seem out of place for a Washington Bureau chief for a major news outlet to simply make this story up. :shrug:
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Would it shock me if Sidney Blumenthal got involved in this? No. Would it shock me if he wasn't involved at all and this story is either grossly exaggerated or a complete lie? No. Is there any real evidence to verify any of this? No. 

If Blumenthal was involved does that mean it was done with either the consent or knowledge of Hillary Clinton? I STRONGLY doubt this. Everything I have ever read about the 2008 campaign indicates that Hillary rejected all attempts to make Obama into an "other", including Mark Penn's earlier notion of questioning his roots in Indonesia. if you want to be cynical, you can conclude that this decision was not because of any decency on her part, but because she knew it would backfire. But whatever the reason she didn't do it. 

 
The Birther issue is another example of how compromised a candidate Hillary is...it seems whatever issue she tries to attack Trump with she has her own luggage in it and ends up having to defend herself...the Hildo crowd can crow all they want about her being innocent but the reality is this is how things are currently playing out...she is really having difficulty gaining any momentum in this this campaign right now...  

 
Sinn Fein said:
So, you think James Asher is just flat out lying when he says Blumenthal told him to investigate Obama's birth?  And Asher sent a reporter to Kenya on his own hunch?  
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Here's the thing: Asher has never provided any evidence to back up his claim that his employer (McClatchy) sent a reporter to Kenya. You'd think it would be fairly easy to prove that it happened, wouldn't you? The reporter must be out there somewhere, right? Why hasn't he or she come forward?

The other fishy thing about Asher's claim is that McClatchy did not make ANY reports about the Birther story in 2008. In fact, their first report on it was in June 2009. That story doesn't say anything about dispatching a reporter to Kenya.

Also, the 2009 McClatchy story mentions over a dozen people responsible for spreading the Birther rumors, but you know whose name is absent from that list? Sidney Blumenthal. Heck, it doesn't even cite "unnamed Clinton associates" or anything indicating that Blumenthal or Clinton was involved in any way, shape, or form.

If James Asher's claim is true, then we must believe that the McClatchy news service sat on a bombshell story for over a year, and then completely failed to report the most important aspect of the story (i.e., that the rumors were started by Clinton). And yet they can't even come up with the most basic evidence to support any of the claims.

 
timschochet said:
Would it shock me if Sidney Blumenthal got involved in this? No. Would it shock me if he wasn't involved at all and this story is either grossly exaggerated or a complete lie? No. Is there any real evidence to verify any of this? No. 

If Blumenthal was involved does that mean it was done with either the consent or knowledge of Hillary Clinton? I STRONGLY doubt this. Everything I have ever read about the 2008 campaign indicates that Hillary rejected all attempts to make Obama into an "other", including Mark Penn's earlier notion of questioning his roots in Indonesia. if you want to be cynical, you can conclude that this decision was not because of any decency on her part, but because she knew it would backfire. But whatever the reason she didn't do it. 
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This is how politics work, Tim.  The candidate stay out of the fray, while the surrogates muddy the water.  Blumenthal does not make those allegations unless the Clinton campaign approves the move.

 
[scooter] said:
Here's the thing: Asher has never provided any evidence to back up his claim that his employer (McClatchy) sent a reporter to Kenya. You'd think it would be fairly easy to prove that it happened, wouldn't you? The reporter must be out there somewhere, right? Why hasn't he or she come forward?

The other fishy thing about Asher's claim is that McClatchy did not make ANY reports about the Birther story in 2008. In fact, their first report on it was in June 2009. That story doesn't say anything about dispatching a reporter to Kenya.

Also, the 2009 McClatchy story mentions over a dozen people responsible for spreading the Birther rumors, but you know whose name is absent from that list? Sidney Blumenthal. Heck, it doesn't even cite "unnamed Clinton associates" or anything indicating that Blumenthal or Clinton was involved in any way, shape, or form.

If James Asher's claim is true, then we must believe that the McClatchy news service sat on a bombshell story for over a year, and then completely failed to report the most important aspect of the story (i.e., that the rumors were started by Clinton). And yet they can't even come up with the most basic evidence to support any of the claims.
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:confused:

If you believe Asher's report - and you are free to not believe it - they were given a story, investigated it, and found it not to be true.  What were they supposed to report?

 
timschochet said:
Would it shock me if Sidney Blumenthal got involved in this? No. Would it shock me if he wasn't involved at all and this story is either grossly exaggerated or a complete lie? No. Is there any real evidence to verify any of this? No. 

If Blumenthal was involved does that mean it was done with either the consent or knowledge of Hillary Clinton? I STRONGLY doubt this. Everything I have ever read about the 2008 campaign indicates that Hillary rejected all attempts to make Obama into an "other", including Mark Penn's earlier notion of questioning his roots in Indonesia. if you want to be cynical, you can conclude that this decision was not because of any decency on her part, but because she knew it would backfire. But whatever the reason she didn't do it. 
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The McClatchy bureau chief is not grossly exaggerating this.

And Blumenthal works and has always worked for Bill and Hillary.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The McClatchy bureau chief is not grossly exaggerating this.

And Blumenthal works and has always worked for Bill and Hillary.
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How do you know this? What Scooter wrote is exactly right. If the Birther movement could have been traced directly to Hillary Clinton via Sidney Blumenthal, that would have been a HUGE story. But it wasn't reported back then, because I believe it never happened. And as I pointed out, it also contradicts everything we know about that campaign.

As to your second point, I can guarantee you that not every sleazy thing that Blumenthal has done on (he believed to be) the behalf of the Clintons has been done with their knowledge or consent. There's a reason he was always kept at a distance, and never trusted within the inner circle of the Clintons.

This whole thing is bogus but thankfully it will not fly beyond the usual suspects. Donald Trump cannot escape responsibility for this shameful episode; neither can the Republican base that swallowed it whole because they refused to accept a black President. That's the truth, however people try to muddy the waters.

 
Sinn Fein said:
If you believe Asher's report - and you are free to not believe it - they were given a story, investigated it, and found it not to be true.  What were they supposed to report?
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The flaw in your argument is that McClatchy DID publish a report on the story. But it was in 2009, not 2008. So you can't say "They were given a story but decided not to report it because it wasn't true."

The bottom line is that several of Asher's claims are not supported by any evidence:

- Asher claims the story was proposed to him in 2008 (but McClatchy did not report on the issue in 2008)

- Asher claims McClatchy sent a reporter to Kenya (but this mystery reporter has never been found)

- Asher claims that the rumor was pushed by Clinton associates (but no one linked to Clinton is listed among the 20+ people associated with the rumor in McClatchy's 2009 story)

- Asher claims that Blumenthal told him about the story in 2008 (yet Asher never once mentioned this to ANYONE from 2008 to 2016)

There are just too many missing elements to conclude that Blumenthal was as involved as Asher claims. In the very least there should be some evidence that a reporter was sent to Kenya in the spring of 2008.

 
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I mean, let's stop and think about this for a moment. James Asher supposedly had evidence all the way back in 2008 that Hillary Clinton started the birther story. And yet he sat on this bombshell information for EIGHT years, never once telling a single human being about the secret that only he and Sidney Blumenthal knew.

And we're supposed to believe him now, after all this time? Despite a total lack of evidence? Come on.

 
[scooter] said:
I mean, let's stop and think about this for a moment. James Asher supposedly had evidence all the way back in 2008 that Hillary Clinton started the birther story. And yet he sat on this bombshell information for EIGHT years, never once telling a single human being about the secret that only he and Sidney Blumenthal knew.

And we're supposed to believe him now, after all this time? Despite a total lack of evidence? Come on.
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They believe him because they want to, because it's fits their blind impression of Hillary as the epitome of total corruption. 

 
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