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Sounds like Sid is monitoring the web crackpots and providing Hillary with information about what they are spreading in the web.
By having Larry Johnson personally send him information.
Have said this from the beginning. It was going to be about her being able to stay out of the mud slinging. It would require her going completely against what she knows, but it was the best way. Stay on policy. Stay on proposals. Keep the focus there and it becomes a no brainer for those wanting to continue to fuel the establishment. Landslides for everyone!!!Instead, I think Clinton should have taken a page from Bernie - and done her best to stay on message, with a positive message about what she wants to do going forward. Nobody is talking about what either candidate really wants to accomplish as President - because they are too busy talking about how the opponent is so terrible. Maybe Clinton can get back on message in the debates - in theory, the debates are set up to focus on vision and the future. But who knows
I do know that the more her surrogates and supporters make this about "Never-Trump", the more it helps Trump.
Rahm Emanuel blocked Blumenthal from working for Hillary (at least in an official capacity) for a reason
This is where you take it a step too far - when she was campaigning against Obama, she had far different motives than when she was working for Obama. The fact that she did nto continue with the birther nonsense as SOS has no bearing as to whether she, via her surrogates, engaged in a whisper campaign that led to people talking about Obama's eligibility.
What happens there in that email is that Blumenthal refers Hillary to a NoQuarter post by Larry Johnson, says that Hillary should look at that and have someone apologize to what happened to a guy named McGovern. And Hillary does not disregard it, she instead takes it seriously and says at the end says "I will see what else can be done", and then she forwards it to Philippe Reines who would be an actual staff member of hers who could actually IRL see what else could be done about it.
Got anything on Clinton? A public statement supporting birtherism? An email?
Reines is one of her staff members, he is someone who could actually see what else could be done on the McGovern situation.
I'm not sure what you think the word "ended" means but that should answer your question.
My whole point, is and always been, that Larry Johnson spewed his material on birtherism in 2008, and then lo and behold he is working for Blumenthal with Troy Drumheller in 2009 and Blumenthal was working for Hillary in 2008 and 2009. That's it. I think you know, or should if you're paying attention, that very few of Hillary's emails before March 2009 do not exist any longer. If you want to say that Johnson working for Blumenthal in 2009 doesn't mean he was working for him in 2008, even now despite Johnson's own claim that he was, is fine.
Basically everything he wrote turned out to be dead-on accurate. She created a server with the intent of skirting FOIA laws, forgot to secure the server, handled classified info through that server, granted lots of people without clearance access to the server, disregarded every IT recommendation ever, deleted everything while under subpoena, then lied to cover it all up, and managed to get off scot free due to who she is.tommyGunZ said:
Congratulations on your favored candidate avoiding indictment. You must be so proud.
I think Sid is referring to Jim Messina as the dutiful dolt in that email.SaintsInDome2006 said:
You're right on that, apologies.
If I gave Trump credit for anything, that was not my intent. I believe people who are being genuine don't deserve credit for it. It's those that aren't genuine that should be shunned for it. I think Trump is genuine... but to me, so what?!? He's genuinely an #######. The fact that Hillary is not genuine is a reason I think she's a #####. I want a genuine president with a good platform. With 300+ million people in this country, we shouldn't have to settle for anything less.... but we do because the two parties suck.cobalt_27 said:
Clinton's biggest problem right now - is that the "water-cooler" talk about the campaign has devolved into "Wow, we really have two terrible candidates to choose from!" So, all of the fringe Clinton supporters are kind of "meh" about the whole election, and may or may not get out the vote.
I think it was a strategic mistake for the Clinton campaign, and her surrogates, and the ardent supporters (Including folks on here) to make this campaign about Trump, and how terrible Trump would be for the country. That all may be true, but I think two things happened. First, you have set the bar so low on Trump, that he beats expectations easily. You scream "devil" long and loud enough, and soon people start to see he probably is not as bad as you portray, so he starts to look "good" by comparison. Second, by making this into "who is worse", you have invited comparisons about everything wrong with Clinton - and there is fertile ground here. She has a long history in public life, and lots of bad decisions.
Instead, I think Clinton should have taken a page from Bernie - and done her best to stay on message, with a positive message about what she wants to do going forward. Nobody is talking about what either candidate really wants to accomplish as President - because they are too busy talking about how the opponent is so terrible. Maybe Clinton can get back on message in the debates - in theory, the debates are set up to focus on vision and the future. But who knows
I do know that the more her surrogates and supporters make this about "Never-Trump", the more it helps Trump.
Clinton should be hammering home the points of affordable healthcare, affordable college, massive new jobs rebuilding infrastructure (or ideally eco-friendly energy). She should be touting plans to rein in wall street, and make life easier for main street. She should be coming on board that the war on drugs was a mistake - and offering a new approach to dealing with the burgeoning heroine epidemic.
She can't help that she is smarmy, but she can use her surrogates to focus on a positive message, instead of offering hit pieces to the media - offer essays on how a Clinton presidency will positively impact America. That message is lost right now amid all the "never-Trump" and just general negativity.
I've been watching the various news outlets all morning and the two couldn't be more different in this regard. She's coming from an informed position of leadership and he's basically mimicking ISIS recruitment propaganda.
Just wait until he starts talking about it. It's going to be great. It's going to be the best speech you ever heard. He knows more than our government. Just wait. It's going to be wonderful. Everyone will be safe and great again. It's going to be amazing.
Great post. I felt like Obama fit this bill: they weren't super rich, had two young daughters, a wife who had to work (and successfully at that). Was he perfect, heck no. But I had no problems advocating for his presidency, including voting Obama over Clinton in the primary, because of the platform and the person. Specifically, Obama the person over Hillary the person.
Of course she did, and there's nothing wrong with questioning it. She stopped questioning it after evidence was presented, like a normal person should. Trump however didn't stop.tommyGunZ said:
See, I question how genuine he really is. People say he's genuine simply because he says edgey stuff that makes headlines. But make no mistake about it, he's still a salesman and a complete BS artist (just like 99% of politicians).
Do you ever take a long-term view of anything? I remember in 2012 you had approximately 814 posts labeling one thing or another as a definitive "turning point" in that election too.Hillary by 9 in Pennsylvania!
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296525-poll-clinton-has-9-point-lead-over-trump-in-pennsylvania
Great news. Looks like the rebound has started.
After a weekend around Trump supporters I'm not sure it will matter. This is the perfect situation (the aftermath of the NYC bombings) to truly compare the actions/message from both camps and there really shouldn't be a question as to who is more qualified, both from an experience level and an intelligence level. You can believe what you want to believe about her past but there's no denying he's the least qualified candidate - possibly ever. His comments about the NYC situation and his turning it into a platform to spread more fear is completely reprehensible. I've never been more concerned for our future. His supporters are completely blinded by politics and I honestly think it's too late to do anything substantial to counter their ignorance and hate.
Lol. Actually I try to take a long term view of EVERYTHING.
The flip side to this argument to me would be, an ongoing disconnect from reality. You have people STILL deriding trump for calling a bomb a bomb, because we didn't know the "facts."
Overall this was a great post, but only the thousandth reminder on this one thing: Hillary ain't Bernie.
with Trump is playing his game, his rules. At the end of the day I think she will win by a lot, so people will say well what does it matter, but as her trust/honesty numbers continue to be affected I think it will have an effect on her presidency. Same goes for whatever she wins by. Yes Bill won his first term in the low 40s and for 2 terms he was constantly triangulating with Congress, and of course he handed them other cudgels along the way.
Should I believe that Hillary has Parkinson's like Larry claimed in a blog last week as well?
Well I haven't seen it. I tell you what, as I haven't looked at the NoQuarterUSA link posted by TommyBoy yet I will be glad to look at the NoQuarterUSA link posted by TommyGunz. Feel free to post it and I will look at it and maybe we'll look at TB's at the same time.
I get all that. There are unreasonable people on both sides of the ledger. The bomb's a bomb things do not bother me. What bothers me is the platform of doom. Maybe I'm the idiot and she's the one leading us down the road to certain demise, but I do know what I expect from our leadership in times like this and I don't believe it's propaganda.
@tommyGunZ Also Tommy in the meantime here is a post by Larry Johnson on HuffPo - from 2007 and reposted in 2011:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/am-i-a-hillary-cheerleade_b_78045.html
Let the hearings begin on January 21, 2017. Launch Trump TV then too. But let's get to step 1 first.
Not really. 
