cstu
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Granted they were before my time and I only know what I've seen on clips. Ford makes me want to take a nap.
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tom22406
Footballguy
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Rove!
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I could swear I saw her heck muscles tighten a couple times.Her glowing personality certainly shine's doesn't it?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yaknow if she gets hell for sitting through the hits she should also get credit for not cracking the hell up during the hilarious parts.Zach: "or maybe like a white power tie?"
Clinton: "that's even more appropriate"
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
My favorite thing about Dinesh D'Souza is that while we often say that politicians and pundits are "frauds," with D-Souza it is literally true. He pled guilty to a charge of campaign finance fraud in 2014.
And how about this intelligent contribution to the public discourse from just last week:
For those of you asking for positive messaging about Hillary Clinton, here's another one: Dinesh D'Souza absolutely hates her. As far as character recommendations go it doesn't get much better than that.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
For the record that was my exclamation while watching the Ferns episode, not in response to your comment.
Rove!
Footballguy
Perhaps you prefer the Daily Beast?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/13/how-hillary-helped-ruin-haiti.html
plus we all know that if D'Souza was a Democrat, nothing would have happened to him
Hang 10
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I do! Lotta good folks there.
Not a huge fan of trolls throwing out conspiracy theories about criminal prosecutions like they're common sense conclusions, though.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I like that how you're using this as an idiom, but also giving a clever nod to the fact that D'Souza and Trump praise and admire a man who literally has messengers shot and killed, as I pointed out in my post. Very clever
Hang 10
Footballguy
It was really sad what happened to that whistleblower at the DNC.I like that how you're using this as an idiom, but also giving a clever nod to the fact that D'Souza and Trump praise and admire a man who literally has messengers shot and killed, as I pointed out in my post. Very clever
cstu
Footballguy
And you know that her voice grates on a lot of men because she's a woman. I'm going to vote for her and I'll even admit her voice is like nails on a chalkboard sometimes.Come on cstu, you are better than that.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
C'mon. Just admit that my reply was a good one and leave it at that. You don't have to agree with me politically to admit it. Don't go all
on us like Rove! just did simply because you can't stand to give a lib a little credit.
Hang 10
Footballguy
You've done better.C'mon. Just admit that my reply was a good one and leave it at that. You don't have to agree with me politically to admit it. Don't go all
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Well, I just thought it was strange she was talking so loud - nothing about the "quality" of it. They may not like her, but I have never heard any reference to people hating her voice just because she is a woman, until your comment. I am glad you are voting.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Colbert on the challenges presented to Clinton's in preparing for two Trump's (disciplined and free wheeling) in her debate prep.
http://www.tvovermind.com/the-late-show/stephen-colbert-donald-trump-gollum-late-show
http://www.tvovermind.com/the-late-show/stephen-colbert-donald-trump-gollum-late-show
mr. furley
Footballguy
is there truth to the hot takery that the last handful of Presidents have come out and stated they're not voting Trump?
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whitem0nkey
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/bryan-pagliano-contempt-house-panel-228520
Pagliano in contempt of Congress. House of cards getting gusts of wind.
Pagliano in contempt of Congress. House of cards getting gusts of wind.
James Daulton
Footballguy
This debate should be epic. Hillary preparing hours/day (while she's awake anyway) using multiple versions of Trump's personalities and possible moderator questions. Trump, gonna wing it like he did in the Republican debates.
I so hope something gets under his skin and he goes off the deep end.
I so hope something gets under his skin and he goes off the deep end.
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Meaningless grand standing by the Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight. Even IF PAgs were to show up his attorney has made it clear to the house panel that he'll be spitting out 5ths like they are going out of stye.
cstu
Footballguy
And I'm extremely thankful for it - Colbert at the White House Correspondents Dinner.whitem0nkey said:
"Next time look it up in your gut!"
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Come on, man.
Spread all the silly anti-Clinton crap you want, but don't straight up lie in your posts. That's not too much to ask, is it?
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cstu
Footballguy
I'm stating what people are thinking, either consciously or subconsciously.Phil Elliott said:Well, I just thought it was strange she was talking so loud - nothing about the "quality" of it. They may not like her, but I have never heard any reference to people hating her voice just because she is a woman, until your comment. I am glad you are voting.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/politics/hillary-clinton-media-david-brock.html
Inside Hillary Clinton’s Outrage Machine, Allies Push the Buttons
Just before 9:30 p.m. on Sept. 13, the first Twitter post appeared, directing users to an obscure article about a remark Donald J. Trump had made last year that 50 percent of the country did not want to work.
Over the next 48 hours, 1,819 people, seemingly furious that the news media had paid more attention to Hillary Clinton’s assertion that half of Trump supporters fit into a “basket of deplorables,” lashed out at reporters and news outlets.
“Dear Media: If you don’t cover this, you’re covering for him,#Trump50percent,” wrote one Twitter user.
“@CNN @CNNPolitics have been in bed with #Trump for a year! They refuse to report #TrumpScandals #Trump50percent” wrote another.
By the end of the week, the hashtag #Trump50percent had appeared in Twitter timelines more than 30,000 times.
Other liberal Twitter users, some of them with more than a million followers, linked to the article and spread the same complaint the Clinton campaign had made: that a shameful false equivalence was causing the media to soft-pedal Mr. Trump’s many transgressions and overplay the few it could find on Mrs. Clinton.
At first glance, the Clintonian grass roots seemed to have organically sprouted in anger. But closer inspection yielded traces of Miracle-Gro that led to the sixth floor of a building in the Flatiron neighborhood of Manhattan.
There, surrounded by start-up tech companies, “Star Wars” posters and flat-screen televisions fixed on cable news, Peter Daou sat with his team at a long wooden table last week, pushing the buttons that activate Mrs. Clinton’s outrage machine. Mr. Daou’s operation, called Shareblue, had published the article on Mr. Trump’s comment on its website and created the accompanying hashtag.
“They will put that pressure right on the media outlets in a very intense way,” Mr. Daou, the chief executive of Shareblue, said of the Twitter army he had galvanized. “By the thousands.”
In the sprawling Clinton body politic, Shareblue is the finger that wags at the mainstream news media (“R.I.P. Political Journalism (1440-2016)”) or pokes at individual reporters. It is a minor appendage, but in an increasingly close race for the presidency, it plays its part.
And it is already warming up for the biggest event of the general election so far: the first debate, on Monday night. It has already published a piececalling on moderators to fact-check Mr. Trump on the spot, and will continue through debate night, whipping up support online with the hashtag #DemandFairDebates.
Shareblue is owned by David Brock, the onetime Clinton critic who remade himself into a Clinton supporter and architect of a conglomerate of organizations designed, he said, to be the liberal answer to the conservative messaging of Fox News.
The Brock network includes his Media Matters for America watchdog website; two pro-Clinton “super PACs,” the opposition research outfit American Bridge and the pro-Clinton fact-checking and reporter-spamming operation Correct the Record; and Shareblue, which filled the need, Mr. Brock said, for a progressive outlet that spoke directly to the grass roots and which “was avidly and unabashedly pro-Hillary.”
Shareblue’s bread-and-butter content is exposing what it considers to be news coverage stacked against Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Daou was particularly excited about a project seeking to show that Mrs. Clinton’s email travails had been in the news every day since the story originally broke in March 2015.
Often, their editorial direction seems in sync with the Clinton campaign, which has instructed its surrogates to blame news coverage for negative press. “Are they going to hold Hillary to a different standard again?” read one recent “talking points” memo sent by the campaign to its surrogates.
That approach became clear this month. On Sept. 1, The Washington Post broke a story about the Donald J. Trump Foundation being fined for improperly donating $25,000 to Pam Bondi, the attorney general of Florida, around the time that her office was deciding whether to investigate fraud allegations against Trump University.
The next day, the Clinton campaign put out a statement contending that while the news media had an unhealthy obsession with the Clinton Foundation, Mr. Trump’s charity had been caught in an “actual pay-to-play scandal.” The Clinton campaign’s foreign policy spokesman, Jesse Lehrich, wrote on Twitter: “Awaiting outrage.”
He didn’t have to wait long. Mr. Daou and his website incessantly demanded coverage of the Trump Foundation story. “We just have to start the fire,” Mr. Daou said in an interview last week. Many liberal columnists, Democratic operatives and members of the Media Matters family reached the same conclusion, excoriating news outlets and individuals for grading Mr. Trump “on a curve.”
Whether it truly cleared the air about Mr. Trump’s foundation or merely muddied the water about Mrs. Clinton’s, Mr. Daou took credit for injecting the notion of false equivalence into the social media bloodstream and for forcing some news outlets to adjust their coverage.
“Well-known people are now talking about the double standard in coverage,” Mr. Daou said. “We feel we were way ahead of the curve.”
Mr. Brock recruited Mr. Daou to join what was then called Blue Nation Review (it relaunched as Shareblue this month) during a breakfast at the Regency Hotel in New York in November.
Mr. Daou grew up in Lebanon and spent the ’90s working in dance music with his first wife as part of a group called The Daou, which put the words of his aunt, the novelist Erica Jong, to music. He then worked as a producer and keyboardist for Björk and other musicians.
In the 2000s, Mr. Daou broke into progressive blogging and claimed to have helped found The Huffington Post. His suit accusing the company of denying him appropriate credit and compensation was settled in 2014. He also worked directly in politics, first for John Kerry in 2004 and then for Mrs. Clinton in 2008, leading her digital operation.
Beyond creating a boisterous echo chamber, the real metric of success for Shareblue, which Mr. Brock said has a budget of $2 million supplied by his political donors, is getting Mrs. Clinton elected. Mr. Daou’s role is deploying a band of committed, outraged followers to harangue Mrs. Clinton’s opponents.
“The pond scum of American politics,” is how Tad Devine, a senior strategist to Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, described the website in March for its frequent attacks on Mr. Sanders.
Nick Merrill, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, viewed Shareblue more as a necessary voice in a world teeming with conservative radio, television and internet outlets that fire up the Republican base.
“On the left, frankly, having more of that is not a bad thing,” Mr. Merrill said.
Of Mr. Daou, he added, “He has a great sense of what’s moving around and where in the depths of the Twittersphere.”
Just how much Mr. Daou coordinates his efforts with the Clinton campaign is hard to pinpoint.
The campaign said there was no formal coordination with Shareblue, and Mr. Daou said he did not take any direction from the campaign.
“Now do I communicate with them regularly? I do,” Mr. Daou said, noting that because of his years working for Mrs. Clinton, “half the people on that campaign, if not more, are former colleagues and friends.” He added that when one of their stories takes off, “I’ll let them know, ‘Hey check out what we just posted, it looks like a good angle.’”
Mr. Brock said his Correct the Record PAC talked to the Clinton campaign. But as for his Shareblue operation, he said: “There are people in the campaign who are aware of what we are doing and who have been encouraging about what we are doing. I wouldn’t go further than that.”
While Mr. Daou, the pianist, can accompany the larger Clinton ensemble, he can also step forward as a soloist when need be.
When video of Mrs. Clinton falling ill on Sept. 11 exploded in the news media, the campaign, which had at first said she overheated, apologized for not revealing her diagnosis of pneumonia beforehand.
Correct the Record went virtually dark. “It was waiting for guidance from the campaign,” Mr. Brock explained.
But Mr. Daou quickly started defending Mrs. Clinton from critics on Twitter (“They should be ashamed”) and that evening posted an article on Shareblue about Mrs. Clinton’s grit, headlined “Hillary Clinton’s feat of strength obliterates months of health conspiracies.”
It was roundly mocked as a blatant example of Pravda-esque spin.
But two days later, the Clinton campaign distributed another memo oftalking points to its surrogates using her near collapse as an opportunity to talk about her stamina.
“To anyone who knows Hillary,” read the first bullet point, “it does not come as much of a surprise that even when she’s under the weather, she would want to power through her normal schedule.”
Inside Hillary Clinton’s Outrage Machine, Allies Push the Buttons
Just before 9:30 p.m. on Sept. 13, the first Twitter post appeared, directing users to an obscure article about a remark Donald J. Trump had made last year that 50 percent of the country did not want to work.
Over the next 48 hours, 1,819 people, seemingly furious that the news media had paid more attention to Hillary Clinton’s assertion that half of Trump supporters fit into a “basket of deplorables,” lashed out at reporters and news outlets.
“Dear Media: If you don’t cover this, you’re covering for him,#Trump50percent,” wrote one Twitter user.
“@CNN @CNNPolitics have been in bed with #Trump for a year! They refuse to report #TrumpScandals #Trump50percent” wrote another.
By the end of the week, the hashtag #Trump50percent had appeared in Twitter timelines more than 30,000 times.
Other liberal Twitter users, some of them with more than a million followers, linked to the article and spread the same complaint the Clinton campaign had made: that a shameful false equivalence was causing the media to soft-pedal Mr. Trump’s many transgressions and overplay the few it could find on Mrs. Clinton.
At first glance, the Clintonian grass roots seemed to have organically sprouted in anger. But closer inspection yielded traces of Miracle-Gro that led to the sixth floor of a building in the Flatiron neighborhood of Manhattan.
There, surrounded by start-up tech companies, “Star Wars” posters and flat-screen televisions fixed on cable news, Peter Daou sat with his team at a long wooden table last week, pushing the buttons that activate Mrs. Clinton’s outrage machine. Mr. Daou’s operation, called Shareblue, had published the article on Mr. Trump’s comment on its website and created the accompanying hashtag.
“They will put that pressure right on the media outlets in a very intense way,” Mr. Daou, the chief executive of Shareblue, said of the Twitter army he had galvanized. “By the thousands.”
In the sprawling Clinton body politic, Shareblue is the finger that wags at the mainstream news media (“R.I.P. Political Journalism (1440-2016)”) or pokes at individual reporters. It is a minor appendage, but in an increasingly close race for the presidency, it plays its part.
And it is already warming up for the biggest event of the general election so far: the first debate, on Monday night. It has already published a piececalling on moderators to fact-check Mr. Trump on the spot, and will continue through debate night, whipping up support online with the hashtag #DemandFairDebates.
Shareblue is owned by David Brock, the onetime Clinton critic who remade himself into a Clinton supporter and architect of a conglomerate of organizations designed, he said, to be the liberal answer to the conservative messaging of Fox News.
The Brock network includes his Media Matters for America watchdog website; two pro-Clinton “super PACs,” the opposition research outfit American Bridge and the pro-Clinton fact-checking and reporter-spamming operation Correct the Record; and Shareblue, which filled the need, Mr. Brock said, for a progressive outlet that spoke directly to the grass roots and which “was avidly and unabashedly pro-Hillary.”
Shareblue’s bread-and-butter content is exposing what it considers to be news coverage stacked against Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Daou was particularly excited about a project seeking to show that Mrs. Clinton’s email travails had been in the news every day since the story originally broke in March 2015.
Often, their editorial direction seems in sync with the Clinton campaign, which has instructed its surrogates to blame news coverage for negative press. “Are they going to hold Hillary to a different standard again?” read one recent “talking points” memo sent by the campaign to its surrogates.
That approach became clear this month. On Sept. 1, The Washington Post broke a story about the Donald J. Trump Foundation being fined for improperly donating $25,000 to Pam Bondi, the attorney general of Florida, around the time that her office was deciding whether to investigate fraud allegations against Trump University.
The next day, the Clinton campaign put out a statement contending that while the news media had an unhealthy obsession with the Clinton Foundation, Mr. Trump’s charity had been caught in an “actual pay-to-play scandal.” The Clinton campaign’s foreign policy spokesman, Jesse Lehrich, wrote on Twitter: “Awaiting outrage.”
He didn’t have to wait long. Mr. Daou and his website incessantly demanded coverage of the Trump Foundation story. “We just have to start the fire,” Mr. Daou said in an interview last week. Many liberal columnists, Democratic operatives and members of the Media Matters family reached the same conclusion, excoriating news outlets and individuals for grading Mr. Trump “on a curve.”
Whether it truly cleared the air about Mr. Trump’s foundation or merely muddied the water about Mrs. Clinton’s, Mr. Daou took credit for injecting the notion of false equivalence into the social media bloodstream and for forcing some news outlets to adjust their coverage.
“Well-known people are now talking about the double standard in coverage,” Mr. Daou said. “We feel we were way ahead of the curve.”
Mr. Brock recruited Mr. Daou to join what was then called Blue Nation Review (it relaunched as Shareblue this month) during a breakfast at the Regency Hotel in New York in November.
Mr. Daou grew up in Lebanon and spent the ’90s working in dance music with his first wife as part of a group called The Daou, which put the words of his aunt, the novelist Erica Jong, to music. He then worked as a producer and keyboardist for Björk and other musicians.
In the 2000s, Mr. Daou broke into progressive blogging and claimed to have helped found The Huffington Post. His suit accusing the company of denying him appropriate credit and compensation was settled in 2014. He also worked directly in politics, first for John Kerry in 2004 and then for Mrs. Clinton in 2008, leading her digital operation.
Beyond creating a boisterous echo chamber, the real metric of success for Shareblue, which Mr. Brock said has a budget of $2 million supplied by his political donors, is getting Mrs. Clinton elected. Mr. Daou’s role is deploying a band of committed, outraged followers to harangue Mrs. Clinton’s opponents.
“The pond scum of American politics,” is how Tad Devine, a senior strategist to Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, described the website in March for its frequent attacks on Mr. Sanders.
Nick Merrill, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, viewed Shareblue more as a necessary voice in a world teeming with conservative radio, television and internet outlets that fire up the Republican base.
“On the left, frankly, having more of that is not a bad thing,” Mr. Merrill said.
Of Mr. Daou, he added, “He has a great sense of what’s moving around and where in the depths of the Twittersphere.”
Just how much Mr. Daou coordinates his efforts with the Clinton campaign is hard to pinpoint.
The campaign said there was no formal coordination with Shareblue, and Mr. Daou said he did not take any direction from the campaign.
“Now do I communicate with them regularly? I do,” Mr. Daou said, noting that because of his years working for Mrs. Clinton, “half the people on that campaign, if not more, are former colleagues and friends.” He added that when one of their stories takes off, “I’ll let them know, ‘Hey check out what we just posted, it looks like a good angle.’”
Mr. Brock said his Correct the Record PAC talked to the Clinton campaign. But as for his Shareblue operation, he said: “There are people in the campaign who are aware of what we are doing and who have been encouraging about what we are doing. I wouldn’t go further than that.”
While Mr. Daou, the pianist, can accompany the larger Clinton ensemble, he can also step forward as a soloist when need be.
When video of Mrs. Clinton falling ill on Sept. 11 exploded in the news media, the campaign, which had at first said she overheated, apologized for not revealing her diagnosis of pneumonia beforehand.
Correct the Record went virtually dark. “It was waiting for guidance from the campaign,” Mr. Brock explained.
But Mr. Daou quickly started defending Mrs. Clinton from critics on Twitter (“They should be ashamed”) and that evening posted an article on Shareblue about Mrs. Clinton’s grit, headlined “Hillary Clinton’s feat of strength obliterates months of health conspiracies.”
It was roundly mocked as a blatant example of Pravda-esque spin.
But two days later, the Clinton campaign distributed another memo oftalking points to its surrogates using her near collapse as an opportunity to talk about her stamina.
“To anyone who knows Hillary,” read the first bullet point, “it does not come as much of a surprise that even when she’s under the weather, she would want to power through her normal schedule.”
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Between two ferns . Anyone with a sense of humor that can play the straight man comes off well. She looked uncomfortable and truly offended. Old, out of touch. The butt of the jokes instead of Zach being the heel. Not a good look.
. Anyone with a sense of humor that can play the straight man comes off well. She looked uncomfortable and truly offended. Old, out of touch. The butt of the jokes instead of Zach being the heel. Not a good look.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Anyone putting up Trump as their candidate loses the practical ability to argue on the Constitution.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Disclaimer I realize this is not "Congress" per se voting on this but why is a guy (not to mention two others) who did nothing wrong pleading the Fifth protecting him from criminal self-incrimination when the investigation is over?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This guy is awful. Him, Brock and Blumenthal will be at the epicenter of the Oval Office pretty soon.
Better question - if Congress really wanted to know what was going on - why not grant him blanket immunity for anything related to the server/emails, and then compel him to testify.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
She needs to wipe the floor with that sh##heel, if she does that I will cheer her on (albeit on replay as I will be at MNF).
Don't cough, look strong, don't fall into stereotypes, embarrass the hell out of him on policy (in fact make him look stupid), and show people what he is with some moral clarity.
Just do it. This is your pinch hitter in the 9th, you tell me she can hit, now batter up.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
For what? We've talked about this. It's not 'er anything under the sun.' Investigation is over.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well he's at cross purposes. Either he may say some thing that might expose him to criminal liability - something which isn't supposed to be possible - or he has no such exposure but also no fear of prosecution so no need for the Fifth.
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Rove!
Footballguy
If Brock can stay out of prison...
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/09/david_brocks_money_machine_looks_a_lot_like_a_money_laundering_operation.html
im sure a Clinton ?Justice department would look the other way
honky kong
Footballguy
People are going to see what they want to see, I suppose.Between two ferns
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The way I see it he could show up and take the Fifth like his colleagues. I have no idea what the repercussions are of refusing a congressional subpoena. But three people all engaged in the same activity which was under investigation by the FBI taking the 5th two months after the investigation closed hardly rings of final exoneration. Cooper testified and he would seem to have more exposure than all of them as being higher up the food chain.
eta - What did these three do that Cooper did not do?
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He could be compelled, under penalty of criminal contempt - i.e jail, if he refused to testify at that point.
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