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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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MaxThreshold said:
You asked for it and you got it.  Take your pick.  They are all great examples.
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Sorry to bring this up, but you linked to a middle schooler's blog that's mostly nonsensical whining about Clinton supporters and demonstrates no understanding of what either candidate is actually campaigning on.  I was hoping you would curate a couple of examples from your collection, but now I see that task is too difficult for you.  

ETA: I've been patient with your act, even took the time to ask open-ended follow up questions to give you a chance to engage in real discussion.  You have chosen not to do that.  I'm not going to engage you further. 

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Come on, man.

Spread all the silly anti-Clinton crap you want, but don't straight up lie in your posts. That's not too much to ask, is it?
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You are literally voting for Hillary Clinton - the most dishonest and corrupt person in America.  You're on here night and day defending her to the end, but you have an issue with an internet poster who you suspect lied?

Can't make this stuff up. :lmao:

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
Sorry to bring this up, but you linked to a middle schooler's blog that's mostly nonsensical whining about Clinton supporters and demonstrates no understanding of what either candidate is actually campaigning on.  I was hoping you would curate a couple of examples from your collection, but now I see that task is too difficult for you.  
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Wow.  That was probably one of the lamest comebacks I have ever seen written in a forum.  I expected better from you.  Actually...no I didn't.

Maybe next time your wit won't fail you.  Good luck!

 
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Mr. Ham said:
Clinton Money Laundering in Panama Papers Exposed?
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It's pretty clear I'm a :nerd: for this stuff and I'm not sure WND is doing this right.

If you look at the results for Clinton Global Initiative what we get are results for Clinton or Global or Initiative in each result. But when you dig in to each result you do not see the 'Clinton Global Initiative' for any particular entry, just a link to another company.

I do think the information that came out about Sberbank and the Podesta Group was important and useful, and I think there may be one other connection along those lines.

But if WND has evidence of a particular transaction, and if that transaction was sketchy, then that would be pretty earth shattering.

Also typically politicians who do this stuff (ie laundering) do it with companies that would never be searchable and it often involves land. So for instance hypothetically if you wanted to bribe a politician you could give or sell them a piece of land in some foreign country but what you would do is sell to a company created by a local lawyer. And that company might be a holding company for another company or multiple companies. Typically none of those companies would have a recognizable name similar to the politician. It might just be the name of a ranch or river or just random, generic words natural to the area. If you know that a politician owns that company or a piece of it then you can unravel stuff. But that first piece of information is what is tough to find.

However the HSBC thing is very real and IMO it deserves attention, it's one of the strongest arguments about the Foundation that Ive seen.

 
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timschochet said:
It's quite amazing that this race is so close yet virtually NONE of the reasons offered up as "working" for Trump are correct.  None of them....have you guys noticed that?  Email?  Nope...no effect.  Birther?  Nope...no effect.  Painting Hillary as dishonest and/or corrupt?  Nope no effect.

This leaves me one question to ask.  If none of this is working to keep things close and having no effect on her campaign, what IS it that's keeping her so close to Donald Trump?  How the #### is it possible that this is single digits?
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My step-son was over a couple of days ago and asked who I was voting for. When I told him Hillary, he said.."Why?! She's just a liar! I like Trump"

I asked him why and he replied "because he tells it like it is"

When I pointed out that Trump has been caught lying on an almost daily basis in his comments to the press, I got a blank stare in response. I pointed out that Trump has been lying at a far FAR more frequent clip than Hillary has, and asked what specific lies Hillary has told. Blank star...no answer. What are his actual policies? No answer...HE DOESN'T KNOW!

And this is a millenial.

The American people have bought into the "lying, cheating crooked Hillary" spiel, they want whole-sale change in Washington, and the media was too kind to Donald for too long, failing to call him out for his constant exaggerations and outright lies. There are millions and millions of people voting Trump because he's DIFFERENT, and he's completely detached from the current government...even though many (most?) of them are far from conversant on current policy.

 
Hillary is a known commodity. Trump's the shiny new toy in the corner. Might be a ####ty toy you toss back in the corner after 5 mins.

 
Hang 10 said:
Zach makes the guests look like idiots and the funny/interesting one still manage to come off as likable. The unlikable ones look like unlikable idiots. Hillary falls into the later category. 
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Now, I don't like Hillary at all, but I thought she did ok on this. Way better than I expected.

 
renesauz said:
My step-son was over a couple of days ago and asked who I was voting for. When I told him Hillary, he said.."Why?! She's just a liar! I like Trump"

I asked him why and he replied "because he tells it like it is"

When I pointed out that Trump has been caught lying on an almost daily basis in his comments to the press, I got a blank stare in response. I pointed out that Trump has been lying at a far FAR more frequent clip than Hillary has, and asked what specific lies Hillary has told. Blank star...no answer. What are his actual policies? No answer...HE DOESN'T KNOW!

And this is a millenial.

The American people have bought into the "lying, cheating crooked Hillary" spiel, they want whole-sale change in Washington, and the media was too kind to Donald for too long, failing to call him out for his constant exaggerations and outright lies. There are millions and millions of people voting Trump because he's DIFFERENT, and he's completely detached from the current government...even though many (most?) of them are far from conversant on current policy.
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Really?  It's "spiel"?  Maybe most people have bought into it because it is 100% absolutely true.  There is a reason the smell of #### has followed Hillary around for 25+ years.

Your outrage should not be for people believing in the "lying, cheating, crooked Hillary" spiel, but for those who think it's NOT true.  Those who buy into the "perfect, queen Hillary" nonsense.

 
MaxThreshold said:
Really?  It's "spiel"?  Maybe most people have bought into it because it is 100% absolutely true.  There is a reason the smell of #### has followed Hillary around for 25+ years.

Your outrage should not be for people believing in the "lying, cheating, crooked Hillary" spiel, but for those who think it's NOT true.  Those who buy into the "perfect, queen Hillary" nonsense.
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It's dramatically over-stated, even if there's a kernel of truth to it. Doesn't change the fact that when it comes to lying, Trump out-lies her 10 to 1.

They both suck, but gimme the one who has a clue

 
Samantha said:
Trump made a sexist joke about Megyn Kelly and many other women. Trump fired people just because they were black and he hates all Muslims.
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So the two major candidates don't deserve to be 100 miles of the White House.  I think both should be in prison.  

 
Samantha said:
ugh I hate when people try to act like Hillary is as bad as Trump. She wants to help out females and minorities and you compare that to Trump wanting to ban people for being Muslim?
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Being better than Trump does not make her a good choice.  She whores out her position for personal gain.  She lies for votes. She is more qualified to be on an orange jumpsuit.  

 
Oh good, it looks like we've reached that point in the campaign where the candidates start paying people to troll teh forums on their behalf.

 
renesauz said:
My step-son was over a couple of days ago and asked who I was voting for. When I told him Hillary, he said.."Why?! She's just a liar! I like Trump"

I asked him why and he replied "because he tells it like it is"

When I pointed out that Trump has been caught lying on an almost daily basis in his comments to the press, I got a blank stare in response. I pointed out that Trump has been lying at a far FAR more frequent clip than Hillary has, and asked what specific lies Hillary has told. Blank star...no answer. What are his actual policies? No answer...HE DOESN'T KNOW!

And this is a millenial.

The American people have bought into the "lying, cheating crooked Hillary" spiel, they want whole-sale change in Washington, and the media was too kind to Donald for too long, failing to call him out for his constant exaggerations and outright lies. There are millions and millions of people voting Trump because he's DIFFERENT, and he's completely detached from the current government...even though many (most?) of them are far from conversant on current policy.
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Well here's a possible Clinton lie for you. Clinton says she and her 2008 campaign had nothing to do with spreading the birther issue. James Asher former DC Editor for McClatchy says Blumenthal contacted him and spread the rumor of Obama being born outside the US. Wanted McClatchy to run a story. Blumenthal doesn't pee without Clinton permission.

 
Samantha said:
Interesting that when talking about a female the first word that comes out of your mouth is whore. Are you a trump supporter?
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I consider Bill a whore too.  Anyone who would stoop to selling pardons to slim balls for political contributions deserves that title. 

 
Samantha said:
It is important we crush our children in political debate if they are supporting Trump. We can't have our kids supporting a racist bigot.
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Interesting that you would use those terms.  Are politics really more important to you than family and children.  Politics brings out the worst in people.  

 
Samantha said:
I don't have a problem with cutting family off if they support a racist Hitler and you should always teach your kids right from wrong. Supporting Trump is morally wrong because he is a sexist racist bigot.
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You come across as a dude and a troll.  Good luck with this fishing alias of yours.  

 
Samantha said:
It is important we crush our children in political debate if they are supporting Trump. We can't have our kids supporting a racist bigot.
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You kind of missed the point. The point is that perception is everything, and somehow the press aided Trump in building the perception that he "tells it like it is" and that somehow FOx and friends have been over-using the "crooked lying Hillary" line for so long that many people have whole-heartedly bought both of those things as absolute truths, even though many of those buying them can't adequately explain what Trump's actual positions on most things are, nor can they point to any specific lie Clinton has told of any importance.

There's millions of people out there that are convinced EVERY SINGLE WORD Clinton says must be a lie simply because Hillary said it, and that's beyond stupid, and it's pretty friggin scary TBH. Even Trump tells the truth sometimes.

 
NCCommish said:
Well here's a possible Clinton lie for you. Clinton says she and her 2008 campaign had nothing to do with spreading the birther issue. James Asher former DC Editor for McClatchy says Blumenthal contacted him and spread the rumor of Obama being born outside the US. Wanted McClatchy to run a story. Blumenthal doesn't pee without Clinton permission.
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Surprised you'd buy into this, NC. Asher never made this claim until 8 years later. When pressed for details he backed off of the Birther part, claiming that Blumenthal wanted him to check Obama's "foreign upbringing". Asher also claims that Hillary has Parkinson's disease. 

Blumenthal denies the whole thing. It also doesn't fit what we know about Hillary's campaign, which was that she gave strict orders not to go this route after Mark Penn suggested it, and that one woman was actually fired for bringing it up. If you want to be cynical you can argue that it wasn't out of any kind of decency on Hillary's part; it was that, among Democrats, she knew such tactics would backfire. In any case, it didn't happen. You've bought into a Breitbart lie. 

 
jon_mx said:
Samantha said:
It is important we crush our children in political debate if they are supporting Trump. We can't have our kids supporting a racist bigot.
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Interesting that you would use those terms.  Are politics really more important to you than family and children.  Politics brings out the worst in people.  
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We disagree a lot....but this one we agree on.

I consider the kid a typical, over-entitled millenial. He's never been politically engaged or conversant, never actually researched any positions on anything. So the entirety of what he knows and believes is shaped by the mass media. He can't be alone in this. In fact, I'd guess 70% of the American people is exactly like this, although it's probably closer to 40 or50% of the VOTING population. And the mass media fawned over Trump and gave him a platform without calling him out on the lies, while another branch of the media constantly attacks Obama and Hillary as worthless liars...positions Trump (being fawned over constantly by the press in the earlier stages) was able to parrot freely for months.

 
Samantha said:
I am just applauding you for defeating your son in debate and I hope you crushed his spirit because supporting Trump is WRONG.
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It didn't go down like that...and I relayed nearly the entirety of the conversation in an attempt to explain why I think Trump is getting more support than seems reasonable

 
timschochet said:
Surprised you'd buy into this, NC. Asher never made this claim until 8 years later. When pressed for details he backed off of the Birther part, claiming that Blumenthal wanted him to check Obama's "foreign upbringing". Asher also claims that Hillary has Parkinson's disease. 

Blumenthal denies the whole thing. It also doesn't fit what we know about Hillary's campaign, which was that she gave strict orders not to go this route after Mark Penn suggested it, and that one woman was actually fired for bringing it up. If you want to be cynical you can argue that it wasn't out of any kind of decency on Hillary's part; it was that, among Democrats, she knew such tactics would backfire. In any case, it didn't happen. You've bought into a Breitbart lie. 
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No Tim this is what he said:

“To the best of my recollection, these are the facts about my interaction with Sidney Blumenthal in late winter of 2008,” Asher said. “Blumenthal visited the Washington Bureau of McClatchy, where he and I met in my office. During that conversation and in subsequent communications, we discussed a number of matters related to Obama. He encouraged McClatchy to do stories related to Obama and his connections to Kenya.”

“On the birther issue, I recall my conversation with Blumenthal clearly,” Asher said, but acknowledged having “nothing in writing memorializing that conversation.”
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So he didn't change his claim at all. Not a bit. He just admitted he didn't have anything in writing. That isn't the same as Blumenthal never said it. But I know you don't care someone said what you wanted to hear and you ran with it.
 
And since I can't find it I would love for you to find me the quote where Asher said Hillary has Parkinsons
 
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