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SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is a really pathetic way of saying, yeah Hillary deleted official records. It really doesn't matter if other threads were foudn elsewhere.

And I take it some of the duplicate threads might be shorter too or have additional information in them like metadata lacking in Hillary's.

Eh, I don't think this is a correct read. State is talking about a comparison of Hillary's emails to emails recovered elsewhere. This group is all recivered from Hillary. These are emails recovered from Hillary's deleted emails, these are new emails in the sense of the source and location from where they came from. They came from Hillary's deleted emails. Now I do agree these were not necessarily all from the specific, purposeful, manual deletions and wipe that took place in March 2015, that may be true.
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If Hillary was dropped from a thread she didn't have the records from that point to delete them.  And, if she had turned over up to that point where she was dropped then your response is rather pathetic.   As for whether it is a correct read, it isn't my read it is the State Department's-

“Secretary Clinton would not have been in a position to provide the department with these portions of the emails, as the new material would not have been in her possession,” spokesman John Kirby said
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Why weren't these specific "new material" emails not in her possession?  She could have deleted them as you assert.  Or, " were chains that included Mrs. Clinton initially but later dropped her " as claimed by those that have actually seen them and reviewed them.  

 
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Bottomfeeder Sports said:
If Hillary was dropped from a thread she didn't have the records from that point to delete them.  And, if she had turned over up to that point where she was dropped then your response is rather pathetic.   As for whether it is a correct read, it isn't my read it is the State Department's-
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Hillary doesn't have later threads at State, that's not what they are talking about here.

They're talking about emails found in Hillary's trove also found at State.

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
“Secretary Clinton would not have been in a position to provide the department with these portions of the emails, as the new material would not have been in her possession,” spokesman John Kirby said
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Why weren't these specific "new material" emails not in her possession?  She could have deleted them as you assert.  Or, " were chains that included Mrs. Clinton initially but later dropped her " as claimed by those that have actually seen them and reviewed them.  
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Mrs. Clinton’s attorneys turned over roughly 30,000 emails to the State Department in 2014 making up roughly 55,000 pages. Her attorneys deleted another 30,000 that they deemed purely personal—some of which were recovered by the Bureau as part of its investigation.
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All of these emails were recovered from Hillary. You're reading it as some were recovered from State, that's not accurate.

What State is saying is that some of the official emails recovered (from Hillary herself) also existed at State. If chains at State later dropped Hillary, that doesn't matter for those earlier portions which Hillary was copied on but later deleted. The point is she deleted those public records.

Again, everything being talked about here was recovered from Hillary's system.

 
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squistion said:
Obama lied? Well, that will now cause all of Hillary's supporters to reconsider voting for Trump.
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Her supporters don't care.  "Donald Trump, Donald Trump!"  It's the quiet closed door conversations outside of her supporters that just may decide the election.  The ones where people acknowledge that Clinton is a criminal and that the Obama Admin enabled her by tipping the scales, obstructing, lying and dumping data on Friday evenings.  And they will decide they need to flush that, even if Donald Trump is the toilet.  

 
Joss Whedon ‏@joss Sep 23

i don't trust Hillary i say LOCK HER UP in a room with NO CORNERS, a sort of oval room, then HARD LABOR running things for YEARS, maybe 8
 
Mr. Ham said:
Her supporters don't care.  "Donald Trump, Donald Trump!"  It's the quiet closed door conversations outside of her supporters that just may decide the election.  The ones where people acknowledge that Clinton is a criminal and that the Obama Admin enabled her by tipping the scales, obstructing, lying and dumping data on Friday evenings.  And they will decide they need to flush that, even if Donald Trump is the toilet.  
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Are you referring to wackos who somehow believe that are in a better position to judge criminal conduct than the head of the FBI?  

Those people won't sway the election.  Most of them probably still write with crayons. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
Her supporters don't care.  "Donald Trump, Donald Trump!"  It's the quiet closed door conversations outside of her supporters that just may decide the election.  The ones where people acknowledge that Clinton is a criminal and that the Obama Admin enabled her by tipping the scales, obstructing, lying and dumping data on Friday evenings.  And they will decide they need to flush that, even if Donald Trump is the toilet.  
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I'm not voting for Hillary, I'm voting for her body double.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
All of these emails were recovered from Hillary. You're reading it as some were recovered from State, that's not accurate.

What State is saying is that some of the official emails recovered (from Hillary herself) also existed at State. If chains at State later dropped Hillary, that doesn't matter for those earlier portions which Hillary was copied on but later deleted. The point is she deleted those public records.

Again, everything being talked about here was recovered from Hillary's system.
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Say's who? -

The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014. We found those additional e-mails in a variety of ways. Some had been deleted over the years and we found traces of them on devices that supported or were connected to the private e-mail domain. Others we found by reviewing the archived government e-mail accounts of people who had been government employees at the same time as Secretary Clinton, including high-ranking officials at other agencies, people with whom a Secretary of State might naturally correspond.

ETA:  Which at some level you already knew as the original twisted logic point you were trying to make is that the government only archived half of the email's Hillary returned as "evident" by the email's she didn't return.     

 
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tommyGunZ said:
Are you referring to wackos who somehow believe that are in a better position to judge criminal conduct than the head of the FBI?  

Those people won't sway the election.  Most of them probably still write with crayons. 
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If you don't believe the Reddit posts are genuine, you're simply living in a fantasy.  And if the Reddit posts happened, there was a criminal conspiracy to destiny evidence and a coordinated effort including multiple agencies to conceal it.  It simply happened.  And most likely it was Milks who gave the orders on behalf of Hillary, whether she directly told Mills to give them.  Immunity was given to Mills twice.  Of course, she'll continue to lie in any forum, under oath or otherwise cause she can't pardon Hillary, but Hillary can pardon her.  It happened and it's a dangerous precedent to elect a woman who had agencies obstruct justice for her prior to when she directs them formally.

 
squistion said:
:no:  It was clearly Hillary's voice. Odds of finding a body double that can exactly mimic her voice are remote.
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I do not think that is a body double.  It would take preparation to have one ready and I doubt she expected to collapse in public or have that be caught on video.

 
I don't agree with many things Trump said but I do give his campaign credit for exposing a lot of what's wrong with the primary/election process and corruption in government.  This was something I wished Obama would have done after he won in 2008.

 
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tommyGunZ said:
Are you referring to wackos who somehow believe that are in a better position to judge criminal conduct than the head of the FBI?  

Those people won't sway the election.  Most of them probably still write with crayons. 
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Do you think our invasion of Iraq in 2002 was a reasoned and proper choice?

 
Actually, that reminds me of an odd argument being made (more back in the primaries) by Hillary supporters.  They claim:

  • Republicans are obstructing because they hate Obama
  • Republicans hate Clinton more than anyone ever
  • Clinton will be able to reach across the aisle and get things done more than Sanders or others
I don't see how those three fit together.

 
timschochet said:
Kudos to you for taking the effort to reach this conclusion through deep thinking and logic! 
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Four days later the media took a video feed from the Hillary campaign and aired as if it were live.  There were many elements of that stream that appear doctored and enhance by CGI.  The audience also appears to have been stacked and the rally staged.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Four days later the media took a video feed from the Hillary campaign and aired as if it were live.  There were many elements of that stream that appear doctored and enhance by CGI.  The audience also appears to have been stacked and the rally staged.
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Good god man

 
Mr. Ham said:
Four days later the media took a video feed from the Hillary campaign and aired as if it were live.  There were many elements of that stream that appear doctored and enhance by CGI.  The audience also appears to have been stacked and the rally staged.
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Stay on top of this. You could be the Carl Bernstein of the 21st century. 

 
Anybody seriously wavering from confidence on a pretty substantial Hillary win this November? Previously I would have put Hillary at 400-425 and 48-52% vote share. 

Now I'm thinking if I absolutely had to put a chip down I'd say 375-400 & 43-47%.

This is purely for fun, anyone disagree?

 
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squistion said:
:sigh:

If you are talking about the speech in Nevada in August, that has been debunked by Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-used-green-screen-to-make-a-fake-crowd-in-nevada/
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No, I was clear.  Four days after her physical collapse, her campaign staged and enhanced her comeback Greensborough rally.  CGI. Audio effects and the images on the crowd's camera phones are not actually recording the action in the room.  Just look at the screens.  She's not on them because she wasn't there live when that was shot.  It's a rather B-grade production, but good enough for our mass media and most of you suckers.

https://youtu.be/9g-c7aSIzc8

Anything to make her seem vibrant and strong, but she was not standing in front of that crowd giving a live speech.  It was heavily produced and I've personally worked with the video effects tools that make this feasible with little time and a modest budget.  That shot of her climbing the stairs is good, but not even great CGI.

That video is genuine and has been posted many places online.  It is produced and the media picked up the live stream as if it were verified truth.

 
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Rich Conway said:
Actually, that reminds me of an odd argument being made (more back in the primaries) by Hillary supporters.  They claim:

  • Republicans are obstructing because they hate Obama
  • Republicans hate Clinton more than anyone ever
  • Clinton will be able to reach across the aisle and get things done more than Sanders or others
I don't see how those three fit together.
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This is like approaching an argument with your wife using logic....just doesn't work.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Anybody seriously wavering from confidence on a pretty substantial Hillary win this November? Previously I would have put Hillary at 400-425 and 48-52% vote share. 

Now I'm thinking if I absolutely had to put a chip down I'd say 375-400 & 43-47%.

This is purely for fun, anyone disagree?
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Monday is so crucial.  I expect Hillary to wipe the floor and get a consensus opinion that she slayed Trump.  Of for whatever reason that doesn't happen, and even if there is a spilt opinion on who won the debate (i.e. Trump on the same stage is nationally viable), then he leads and doesn't look back.  Truly a prize fight.

 
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Mr. Ham said:
No, I was clear.  Four days after her physical collapse, her campaign staged and enhanced her comeback Greensborough rally.  CGI. Audio effects and the images on the crowd's camera phones are not actually recording the action in the room,. It's a rather B-grade production, but good enough for our mass media and most of you suckers.

https://youtu.be/9g-c7aSIzc8

Anything to make her seem vibrant and strong, but she was not standing in front of that crowd giving a live speech.  It was heavily produced and I've personally worked with the video effects tools that make this feasible with little time and a modest budget.  That shot of her climbing the stairs is good, but not even great CGI.
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Sorry no. Here is another discussion debunking it - not that anything anyone could say could convince someone otherwise who believes she uses a body double:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/hillary-clinton-green-screen-greenscreen-rally-conspiracy-theory-pneumonia-greensboro-phone-photos-laugh-track-evidence-snopes-debunk-videos-tweets-photos/

 
squistion said:
Sorry no. Here is another discussion debunking it - not that anything anyone could say could convince someone otherwise who believes she uses a body double:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/hillary-clinton-green-screen-greenscreen-rally-conspiracy-theory-pneumonia-greensboro-phone-photos-laugh-track-evidence-snopes-debunk-videos-tweets-photos/
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Jesus Squis, the Snopes explanation doesn't make a lick of sense, and it's a left wing owned media site.  Regardless of what angle you're shooting the live stream, you'll catch the objects in those screen from any angle.  Use your own brain on this.  It's ludicrous and untrue.  She was not walking in front of the screens.  

The fact that article is pushing that clear lie is scary as hell.

This is a red pill, blue pill thing.  

Below is an example of video technology available, and is similar to what was used to CGI Hillary.  In the glitch, the vertical stripes on the flag as perfectly clear in the space she would have obscured of there.

Great there are some left wing fringe sites willing to take the Hillary talking points and create fodder for the likes of you to explain obvious lies away.  What you are saying does not hold water.

https://youtu.be/ohmajJTcpNk

 
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