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Sand said:
I find this amazing.  He's the most unlistenable talk show host on the air.  Arrogant blowhard doesn't even begin to describe him.
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Even as a conservative, I can't listen to him. He's about a half-step above Infowars.

 
squistion said:
Trump didn't bring it up because it was probably the one thing he listened to his advisors about, bashing a woman for her husband's infidelities is a big loser among women voters

Perhaps I am wrong, but I am hoping Trump goes after her on this in the next debate. I believe that Hillary and her team feel the same way, otherwise she wouldn't have brought up his treatment of Miss Universe at the end of the debate - she wanted to goad him into attacking her over Bill's affairs. The Clinton camp is locked and loaded and are crossing their fingers Trump walks across the tiger trap.
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Oh he will.  No doubt.  Then he'll talk about how he didn't even want that foot..

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James Daulton said:
Woah, Hillary is way more adventurous that I'd guessed!

WTF do Bill's indiscretions have to do with his wife?  Trumpers who this would appeal to already aren't voting for Hilldog.  The thinking women in this country will see it as an attack on one of their own.
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Hillary tweated that certain actions by a man towards a woman should disqualify them from becoming President, that certainly opens up a discussion on Bill's conduct.

 We can argue the merits of the political value this line of attack has on undecided women voters but it seems a dangerous space for Hillary to be playing in. This tawdry crap is Trump's wheelhouse. If Hillary is going after undecided women, one must ask why these women haven't already decided to vote for Hillary.  I think this is a mistake on her part, she should be focusing on his lack of knowledge.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Hillary tweated that certain actions by a man towards a woman should disqualify them from becoming President, that certainly opens up a discussion on Bill's conduct.

 We can argue the merits of the political value this line of attack has on undecided women voters but it seems a dangerous space for Hillary to be playing in. This tawdry crap is Trump's wheelhouse. If Hillary is going after undecided women, one must ask why these women haven't already decided to vote for Hillary.  I think this is a mistake on her part, she should be focusing on his lack of knowledge.
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Is Hillary a man as well as a robot/body double?  Woah.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Hillary tweated that certain actions by a man towards a woman should disqualify them from becoming President, that certainly opens up a discussion on Bill's conduct.

 We can argue the merits of the political value this line of attack has on undecided women voters but it seems a dangerous space for Hillary to be playing in. This tawdry crap is Trump's wheelhouse. If Hillary is going after undecided women, one must ask why these women haven't already decided to vote for Hillary.  I think this is a mistake on her part, she should be focusing on his lack of knowledge.
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That's a good point but I think Hillary and her advisors knew that Trump wouldn't be able to let go of the Miss Universe stuff. Just wind him up and he spins and spins and spins for days.

 
squistion said:
Trump didn't bring it up because it was probably the one thing he listened to his advisors about, bashing a woman for her husband's infidelities is a big loser among women voters

Perhaps I am wrong, but I am hoping Trump goes after her on this in the next debate. I believe that Hillary and her team feel the same way, otherwise she wouldn't have brought up his treatment of Miss Universe at the end of the debate - she wanted to goad him into attacking her over Bill's affairs. The Clinton camp is locked and loaded and are crossing their fingers Trump walks across the tiger trap.
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I really didn't think he would do this before the debate. I think you're ascribing way too much rationality and discipline to Trump. Reality is he likes and respects the Clintons, he knows them, and Chelsea is friends with Ivanka. He's a weird cat.

 
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James Daulton said:
Woah, Hillary is way more adventurous that I'd guessed!

WTF do Bill's indiscretions have to do with his wife?  Trumpers who this would appeal to already aren't voting for Hilldog.  The thinking women in this country will see it as an attack on one of their own.
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Agree with this question, but I'm not sure that's the point.  I think the question is around the perceived hypocrisy of Hillary telling everyone that women should be believed/heard (sorry, don't remember her exact phrasing) while she was shouting down (essentially) women involved in her husband's indiscretions.  So I think to focus on the indiscretions is a mistake but there's a valid point to be made if one uses the indiscretions as a backdrop.

Yes, I have read the "what do you expect?" and "she's defending her family" sorts of arguments here.  I just don't buy them.  What I expect is for people to walk the walk of their comments and/or be very careful with the :hophead:  and think through broad brush statements like that.  They are wonderful as a soundbyte, if they come and go.  Not so wonderful if people are actually listening and choose to take you to task for them.

 
I think Bill's indiscretions are tangentially relevant  - Hillary has touted him as someone she will rely on for his experience.  He will certainly have some role, behind the scenes, even if its just in the Kitchen Cabinet.  That, in addition to Hillary's decision to back her husband - and not believe the women involved, which contravenes her current narrative.

 
The Commish said:
 while she was shouting down (essentially) women involved in her husband's indiscretions. 
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I don't recall that. She went very quiet.

In fact that's a big part of why I didn't vote for her against Bernie or Obama. She needed to be more outspoken/forthright about that scenario.  imo

 
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Sinn Fein said:
I think Bill's indiscretions are tangentially relevant  - Hillary has touted him as someone she will rely on for his experience.  He will certainly have some role, behind the scenes, even if its just in the Kitchen Cabinet.  That, in addition to Hillary's decision to back her husband - and not believe the women involved, which contravenes her current narrative.
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That would all be true if it wasn't be contrasted with an opponent who've they've now managed to paint as a misogynistic pig with his own recent statements (and they haven't even gotten to his divorces or the Ivana charges yet).  That's the thing in all this...it's one thing to have said that stuff in the past, it's an entirely different thing to say them in the past and then triple down again in 2016.  

That's the thing Trump doesn't realize, the narrative has already been written this week and he's lost this argument.  

 
Sammy3469 said:
This New Yorker cover is tremendous:

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/cover-story-2016-10-10
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This election has brought out the best in all kinds of print media types, not just investigative reporters like Fahrenthold and Eichenwald. That NY Times book review of the Hitler book a couple days ago was incredible. I loved this post-debate takedown of Trump and how he got this far in Rolling Stone too:
 

In the end, Clinton's few missteps didn't matter, because there was one overwhelming conclusion to be drawn from the night: Trump looked incompetent because he's no longer only standing next to other Republicans.

Aside from the repugnant racism, xenophobia and misogyny, the Trump phenomenon remained amusing for months because it felt like it was engineered in some fouler deity's ironic punishment laboratory. Donald Trump flagrantly made #### up every moment he wasn't bullying everyone around him; it's just that his victims were a bunch of wealthy bullies who'd spent their careers haphazardly making #### up and sliming their way upward like a phalanx of slugs conquering a staircase.

Trump cut through over a dozen Republican candidates like an industrial saw shredding a box of Kleenex, and it couldn't have happened to a more dismal gallery of frauds. After years of complaining about deficits while promoting tax cuts that reduced government revenues by trillions, after years of promoting dominionist Christianity while claiming religious discrimination, after years of claiming to be victims while blaming everything wrong in America on homosexuals and college professors and minorities and Islam, after years of saying whatever the #### they felt like and repeating it until it sounded true, each one of these blow-dried mediocrities got fired from The Apprentice: Republican Party by someone with even more sociopathic contempt for facts, logical consistency and other human beings than they had.

Hell, it wasn't even difficult. Just coming up with mean nicknames was enough on a stage teeming with their brand of puffed-up prevaricating nincompoopery. Donald Trump wasn't a legendary force, and he wasn't a ruthless killer. He was the only guy with a fork in a room full of inflatable clown punching bags – shoving them and waiting for them to rock back and forth, their fixed idiotic grins leaning into the fatal puncture.
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TobiasFunke said:
In the end, Clinton's few missteps didn't matter, because there was one overwhelming conclusion to be drawn from the night: Trump looked incompetent because he's no longer only standing next to other Republicans.
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meh....he's looked incompetent this whole time :shrug:  

The rest was a good :hophead:  rant though.  Our only hope as a country is that this is a wake up call for the GOP and they get their act together.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Guys you must be thinking Trump has suddenly grown smart political instincts or suddenly has developed an ability for listening to political advisors, is that your position?
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Oh, I don't doubt he has no idea what he's doing. I'm mocking the fact that some people are discussing this tack as if it could benefit him in some way.

 
Oh, I think it WILL benefit him in some way, just not to be elected POTUS.  He's gonna parlay this experience into either a) starting his own media conglomerate or b) leveraging the additional publicity / exposure into a VERY lucrative TV deal.  He's building his brand, even if his brand will lose in a general election, it will be bolstered among some.  That group will propel his businesses and ego further.  Look how Trump has run his campaign.  It certainly seems that there are 2 overall goals, neither of which is to actually win.  The first is to simply funnel money from campaign donations (either to his campaign or to PACs) to the Trump corporation.  The second is to get as much free publicity as humanly possible.  Why pay to promote your brand when all the media outlets in the world will do it for you?

 
The Z Machine said:
Oh, I think it WILL benefit him in some way, just not to be elected POTUS.  He's gonna parlay this experience into either a) starting his own media conglomerate or b) leveraging the additional publicity / exposure into a VERY lucrative TV deal.  He's building his brand, even if his brand will lose in a general election, it will be bolstered among some.  That group will propel his businesses and ego further.  Look how Trump has run his campaign.  It certainly seems that there are 2 overall goals, neither of which is to actually win.  The first is to simply funnel money from campaign donations (either to his campaign or to PACs) to the Trump corporation.  The second is to get as much free publicity as humanly possible.  Why pay to promote your brand when all the media outlets in the world will do it for you?
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I actually think it will propel one of his kids into politics

 
Already know a couple of people who have bought assault rifles ahead of the impending ban (in their minds)
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Didn't they already stock up when Obama threatened to take their guns in 2008 and 2012? Or did they sell those guns in 2013 at a loss?

 
TobiasFunke said:
Hell, it wasn't even difficult. Just coming up with mean nicknames was enough on a stage teeming with their brand of puffed-up prevaricating nincompoopery. Donald Trump wasn't a legendary force, and he wasn't a ruthless killer. He was the only guy with a fork in a room full of inflatable clown punching bags – shoving them and waiting for them to rock back and forth, their fixed idiotic grins leaning into the fatal puncture.
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Tough but fair.  Trump's SOS was #### because he's from a crap conference.  People complain about Hillary's perceived weak resume, but her signature win is Bernie Sanders, easily a tougher opponent than anyone Trump took on in conference play.

 
Just as we suspected, which has been echoed here by the Trump supporters (from a DKos Diary):

Trump campaign is all in on rehashing 1990s-era attacks

How do you defend yourself against having called a young woman “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” and forced her to work out in front of reporters? Easy, if you’re Donald Trump: you send your surrogates out to talk about Bill Clinton’s past infidelities. Official campaign talking points went out on Wednesday telling surrogates how to bring up decades-old stories about something the current candidate’s husband did that were fully aired at the time.

Just to be clear, this is the trajectory: Trump makes a big point during the debate of how he could attack Clinton over her husband’s past behavior, but won’t. He does a lot of bragging about how he didn’t do it. His son commends his courage for not doing it. And then his campaign sends out talking points to surrogates about exactly how to talk about why what Bill Clinton did in the 1980s and 1990s is relevant to Hillary Clinton being elected president in 2016.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think Bill's indiscretions are tangentially relevant  - Hillary has touted him as someone she will rely on for his experience.  He will certainly have some role, behind the scenes, even if its just in the Kitchen Cabinet.  That, in addition to Hillary's decision to back her husband - and not believe the women involved, which contravenes her current narrative.
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Most Trump supporters could not fathom what the word contravene means.  

 
HellToupee said:
I actually think it will propel one of his kids into politics
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IMHO the only one who might have a chance is Ivanka. The two Richie Rich clones don't seem to have that much between the ears and Tiffany, well, she's still young so maybe she'll grow into something positive

 
Da Guru said:
Michael Savage was pulled off the air in the middle of his #1 rated  show because he questioned Hillary's health. Dr. Drew was fired for doing the same.

Why is this happening?
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Great question.  I think it's probably due to the vast national conspiracy to prop up Hillary Clinton "Weekend at Bernie's" style in order to win the election, a conspiracy involving literally tens of thousands of people, none of whom has leaking anything about it. Right? 

It's definitely not because you're making up a nonsense conspiracy theory about Michael Savage who was actually preempted due to debate coverage, as a five second google search could have told you. Or because the decision on Dr. Drew's show had already been made but even if it hadn't his speculation on Clinton was incredibly unprofessional for a medical doctor and would presumably be a huge source of embarrassment going forward. That can't be it.

 
I just for the life of me cannot understand how shaming a woman for her husbands cheating is a good strategy. ESPECIALLY when you are a mysogonist serial philanderer and three times married. Maybe she slammed the women some but I just cannot see how that nets out well for Trump.

If I were Hildog and say there is only one candidate up here who has cheated on their spouse. There is only one candidate up here who has been married three times. There is only one candidate up here who has been accused of rape in sworn depositions.....TWICE. And then I'd stare his sorry ### right in the face.   

 
Jackstraw said:
I just for the life of me cannot understand how shaming a woman for her husbands cheating is a good strategy. ESPECIALLY when you are a mysogonist serial philanderer and three times married. Maybe she slammed the women some but I just cannot see how that nets out well for Trump.

If I were Hildog and say there is only one candidate up here who has cheated on their spouse. There is only one candidate up here who has been married three times. There is only one candidate up here who has been accused of rape in sworn depositions.....TWICE. And then I'd stare his sorry ### right in the face.   
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If Hillary ever had to respond to why she stayed with Bill all she would have to say is "I love my husband and we worked hard to make our marriage work.  I don't give up when things get difficult."

 
msommer said:
IMHO the only one who might have a chance is Ivanka. The two Richie Rich clones don't seem to have that much between the ears and Tiffany, well, she's still young so maybe she'll grow into something positive
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My hope is that they all spend the rest of their vapid lives in obscurity.

 
Jackstraw said:
I just for the life of me cannot understand how shaming a woman for her husbands cheating is a good strategy. ESPECIALLY when you are a mysogonist serial philanderer and three times married. Maybe she slammed the women some but I just cannot see how that nets out well for Trump.

If I were Hildog and say there is only one candidate up here who has cheated on their spouse. There is only one candidate up here who has been married three times. There is only one candidate up here who has been accused of rape in sworn depositions.....TWICE. And then I'd stare his sorry ### right in the face.   
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I've read in a couple places that a decent amount of polling has been done on this, and it all concludes that bringing up Bill's past helps Clinton overall by making her look like a sympathetic figure who kept her family together while raising a daughter. Obviously you'd expect that effect to be greatly exaggerated given Trump's obvious problems with infidelity, as you say.  That's why nobody's actually done it yet, not even Trump.

 
Jackstraw said:
I just for the life of me cannot understand how shaming a woman for her husbands cheating is a good strategy. ESPECIALLY when you are a mysogonist serial philanderer and three times married. Maybe she slammed the women some but I just cannot see how that nets out well for Trump.

If I were Hildog and say there is only one candidate up here who has cheated on their spouse. There is only one candidate up here who has been married three times. There is only one candidate up here who has been accused of rape in sworn depositions.....TWICE. And then I'd stare his sorry ### right in the face.   
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there is only one candidate up there who headed the bimbo eruption squad

 
msommer said:
IMHO the only one who might have a chance is Ivanka. The two Richie Rich clones don't seem to have that much between the ears and Tiffany, well, she's still young so maybe she'll grow into something positive
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Tiffany is a little more compelling of a character than I originally expected. Maybe she longs to be one of the clones though, not sure.

 
Da Guru:

Michael Savage was pulled off the air in the middle of his #1 rated show because he questioned Hillary's health. Dr. Drew was fired for doing the same.

Why is this happening?
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Savage's show wasn't pulled off the air. It was pre-empted by the New York station so it could air the debate live. Other stations carried Savage's show without interruption.

That's part of Savage's contract, by the way, so he knew in advance what was happening.

Conservatives really need to stop and think about the hills they want to take a stand and die on.

 
HellToupee said:
there is only one candidate up there who headed the bimbo eruption squad
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Philip BumpVerified account ‏@pbump 28m28 minutes ago Manhattan, NY

It's worth remembering that the Lewinsky scandal caused a big upward spike in Hillary Clinton's favorability.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/29/donald-trump-is-threatening-to-raise-an-issue-that-made-hillary-clinton-very-popular-20-years-ago/?update

Donald Trump is threatening to raise an issue that made Hillary Clinton very popular 20 years ago

 
Yes, but they were bimbos.  Or trollops.  Or skeezers.  Whatever you want to call the women who eagerly sexed up a married man.

 
Philo Beddoe said:
Well to be fair the AG banned them here in Massachusetts recently. 
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I just read about the ban and found it idiotic as it lacks fundamental understanding of guns. 

Here's the AG's response to gun companies releasing "state compliant" weapons:

The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire
in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly

bans “copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon
themselves to define what a “copy” or “duplicate” weapon is. They market “state compliant”
copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a
flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to
limit the lethalness of the weapon.

The directive specifically outlines two tests to determine what constitutes a “copy” or
“duplicate” of a prohibited weapon. If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that
of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a
banned weapon, it’s a “copy” or “duplicate,” and it is illegal. Assault weapons prohibited
under our laws cannot be altered in any way to make their sale or possession legal in
Massachusetts.
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squistion said:
Philip BumpVerified account ‏@pbump 28m28 minutes ago Manhattan, NY

It's worth remembering that the Lewinsky scandal caused a big upward spike in Hillary Clinton's favorability.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/29/donald-trump-is-threatening-to-raise-an-issue-that-made-hillary-clinton-very-popular-20-years-ago/?update

Donald Trump is threatening to raise an issue that made Hillary Clinton very popular 20 years ago
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Yeah if you're Hillary you hope they go there. 

 
I'm more concerned with who has access to guns than trying to determine which gun is too scary looking for people to buy.

 
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Hillary apparently throwing in the towel in Ohio.

But its Rust Belt profile, Mr. Trump’s unyielding anti-trade campaign and Mrs. Clinton’s difficulty energizing Ohio’s young voters have made it a lesser focus for Democrats this year. As Mrs. Clinton’s aides privately note, the demographic makeup of Florida, Colorado and North Carolina, which have a greater percentage of educated or nonwhite voters, makes those states more promising for Democrats in a contest in which the electorate is sorted along bright racial and economic lines.

And with a once-competitive Senate race in Ohio turning into a rout for Rob Portman, the Republican incumbent, Democrats can quietly pull back from the state with little fear of down-ballot consequences.
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