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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

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MaxThreshold said:
The same also applies to the Democrats for nominating Hillary.  In fact, it's even worse because the DNC process pretty much was rigged in her favor (and it also uncovered a bunch of racists) whereas the RNC process played out fair and square.

So my statement still applies.  Those in glass houses...
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Lol.

1. It was not a disgrace to nominate Hillary. 

2. The DNC did not rig the process. 

Sorry but all the fault for this election is on your side. 

 
timschochet said:
Lol.

1. It was not a disgrace to nominate Hillary. 

2. The DNC did not rig the process. 

Sorry but all the fault for this election is on your side. 
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That's your problem and those like you:  You're unwilling to look at it logically.  "OF COURSE the other guy is a disgrace, but not my guy" pretty much sums you up.

I don't know what you mean by "fault for this election", either.  Both sides have nominated a corrupt, lying turd.  Seems to me there is fault on both sides, no?  But then again, I didn't nominate or am going to vote for EITHER of them so really I'm not at fault at all.

 
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DWS stepped down because she was caught saying some embarrassing things on email. The DNC was naturally for Clinton, since Sanders was an outsider to the party with ideas that weren't part of the traditional platform. 

But there was no rigging going on, and Im not trolling by saying that. Yes there should have been more debates and at better times, though that wouldn't have made any difference. But those of you who believe that the race between Clinton and Sanders was rigged, tell me how. Provide some evidence that the vote was fixed in some way. And if you can't then shut up about it already because it's nothing but a myth. 

 
MaxThreshold said:
That's your problem and those like you:  You're unwilling to look at it logically.  "OF COURSE the other guy is a disgrace, but not my guy" pretty much sums you up.

I don't know what you mean by "fault for this election", either.  Both sides have nominated a corrupt, lying turd.  Seems to me their is fault on both sides, no?
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No. Because Hillary is not a corrupt lying turd. 

 
Politician Spock said:
Umm... yeah.... they just fired their director and apologized to Bernie for ####s and giggles. 
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That was for the emails. Can you point to something they actually did?

so tired of this bull####. Hillary won because more people voted for her, especially blacks in the south. She got millions of more votes and that's the ONLY reason she won. Fair and square all the way. 

 
timschochet said:
I wrote that her COMMENT about the basement was unfortunate- not comments. The rest of what she had to say was perfectly fine IMO. 

The problem with your analysis is that you begin by thinking that Hillary is a bad person. I begin by thinking she is a good person. That causes both of us to interpret the same statements with very different meanings. 
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Do you think hypocrisy is a good quality?  

Do you think her mocking of what sanders supporters sought in their candidate only to adopt that platform herself is not hypocritical?   

 
timschochet said:
DWS stepped down because she was caught saying some embarrassing things on email. The DNC was naturally for Clinton, since Sanders was an outsider to the party with ideas that weren't part of the traditional platform. 

But there was no rigging going on, and Im not trolling by saying that. Yes there should have been more debates and at better times, though that wouldn't have made any difference. But those of you who believe that the race between Clinton and Sanders was rigged, tell me how. Provide some evidence that the vote was fixed in some way. And if you can't then shut up about it already because it's nothing but a myth. 
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Which party 'insiders' actually ran, i.e. Lifelong Democrats?

O'Malley and Webb, who is essentially an independent who never had a campaign. Sanders only ran because he wasn't a party guy.

Hillary practically ran unopposed from straight line Democrats.

Except for Sanders this would have had the look of some old fashioned parish/county race, with the machine's choice (Hillary), some tomato can they asked to run to create the appearance of a race (MoM), and a couple of oddballs.

Thank God Sanders ran.

 
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Actually I think at this point it's likely they asked Kaine to step down as DNC chair on the promise he would be VP all along.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
That's your problem and those like you:  You're unwilling to look at it logically.  "OF COURSE the other guy is a disgrace, but not my guy" pretty much sums you up.

I don't know what you mean by "fault for this election", either.  Both sides have nominated a corrupt, lying turd.  Seems to me there is fault on both sides, no?  But then again, I didn't nominate or am going to vote for EITHER of them so really I'm not at fault at all.
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So you say, but it is pretty clear you have clear preference for Trump as you never go into the Trump thread and criticize him or his supporters, but you come in here every day to trash Hillary and call her and her supporters names.

 
squistion said:
So you say, but it is pretty clear you have clear preference for Trump as you never go into the Trump thread and criticize him or his supporters, but you come in here every day to trash Hillary and call her and her supporters names.
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That thread is so full of shtick it's unbearable. 

 
squistion said:
So you say, but it is pretty clear you have clear preference for Trump as you never go into the Trump thread and criticize him or his supporters, but you come in here every day to trash Hillary and call her and her supporters names.
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The fact that I rarely go into the Trump thread means nothing.  It's been pretty well known around here for quite some time that I'm not voting for Trump and that I have criticized him as well as Hillary.  I see them as equally bad for this country.

Just because I don't criticize Trump in the Trump thread doesn't make my criticism of him any less legit.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
The fact that I rarely go into the Trump thread means nothing.  It's been pretty well known around here for quite some time that I'm not voting for Trump and that I have criticized him as well as Hillary.  I see them as equally bad for this country.

Just because I don't criticize Trump in the Trump thread doesn't make my criticism of him any less legit.
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Squiz with another epic logic fail.  

 
timschochet said:
It drives me crazy when people can't admit they lost. Bernie lost because his ideas were less popular. No other reason. 
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He lost because his ideas took too long to take hold and he ran out of time. A major part of that was that Hillary was designated to be the next nominee the second she lost to Obama and the DNC did whatever they could (lack of opponents, debates, timing of debates and I'm sure dozens of other things) to make sure Hillary became the nominee.

Nice democratic process there!!!!   

Add Biden and others at the convention to the process from the start and NO ####### way Hillary is the nominee.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
The fact that I rarely go into the Trump thread means nothing.  It's been pretty well known around here for quite some time that I'm not voting for Trump and that I have criticized him as well as Hillary.  I see them as equally bad for this country.

Just because I don't criticize Trump in the Trump thread doesn't make my criticism of him any less legit.
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You don't criticize him anywhere or in any instance outside of your frequent "two turds" analogy. Show me the last post you made where you specifically criticized Trump and told his supporters not to vote for him.  I just took a look at the dozen or so posts you made the Debate thread and none are critical of Trump or his supporters, but many involve the bashing of Hillary and/or her supporters. In fact you even cheer Trump at one point for his debate performance (which got a like from HellToupee, Sida and RBM).

MaxThreshold said:
It's like he was born for this stuff.
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It is pretty clear that you are like many of the other Hillary haters here and know that in a battleground state every vote you might take away from Hillary is a vote for Trump (see Nader/Gore/Bush, Florida 2000). That is why you always bash Hillary but never specificallyTrump

 
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Getzlaf15 said:
He lost because his ideas took too long to take hold and he ran out of time. A major part of that was that Hillary was designated to be the next nominee the second she lost to Obama and the DNC did whatever they could (lack of opponents, debates, timing of debates and I'm sure dozens of other things) to make sure Hillary became the nominee.

Nice democratic process there!!!!   

Add Biden and others at the convention to the process from the start and NO ####### way Hillary is the nominee.
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Also, the timing of the FBI findings and DNC emails helped substantially.  She absolutely would not have won the nomination, had those developments occurred in February.  Ideas are helpful, but integrity is paramount.  Only reason she has a lead now is someone with less integrity is opposing her.

 
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Rich Conway said:
Well, except for the evidence that she's having a difficult time putting away the most unliked candidate ever.  Oh, and the evidence that she's the second most unliked candidate ever.
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Great logic here.  Hillary's so terrible that she's only leading Trump by a comfortable margin.  She would obviously get crushed had she faced candidates who Trump absolutely destroyed.  

 
tommyGunZ said:
Great logic here.  Hillary's so terrible that she's only leading Trump by a comfortable margin.  She would obviously get crushed had she faced candidates who Trump absolutely destroyed.  
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I wouldn't let the Republican primary voters be a judge of how the general electorate would feel.

 
cstu said:
I wouldn't let the Republican primary voters be a judge of how the general electorate would feel.
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No kidding. What a group of total losers. They all lost because they are part of the problem. Biden would have smoked her in the primary.

 
Rohn Jambo said:
There are a lot of people who love trashing Hillary much more than supporting Trump.  I defend the guy sometimes because the media is so blatantly biased they don't even pretend to be fair and balanced anymore.
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Please provide an example of how the media has been unfair to Donald Trump. Tia

 
cstu said:
I wouldn't let the Republican primary voters be a judge of how the general electorate would feel.
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The Republican primary is by far he best indicator of who Republican voters would support.  And winning Republican votes is by far the most important factor for a Republican seeking the Presidency.  

 
lod001 said:
 Biden would have smoked her in the primary.
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Based on what? His performance in 2008? 

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this but Hillary Clinton had the vast majority of black voters on her side. That's the beginning and the end of the Democratic nomination. Period. Nobody else was ever going to beat her, because Obama wasn't running. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
Great logic here.  Hillary's so terrible that she's only leading Trump by a comfortable margin.  She would obviously get crushed had she faced candidates who Trump absolutely destroyed.  
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Different voters for one.  I would say you knew that but thats giving you too much credit.  Many people openly admit they are voting against Donald not for Hillary.  But don't let that stop you from being the ignorant political poster yet again.

 
timschochet said:
Based on what? His performance in 2008? 

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this but Hillary Clinton had the vast majority of black voters on her side. That's the beginning and the end of the Democratic nomination. Period. Nobody else was ever going to beat her, because Obama wasn't running. 
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Biden was nearly tying her when he decided not to run. 

 
timschochet said:
So what? He had no shot. 
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If Biden had announced he probably would have gotten a 5 point bump, taken points away from Hillary and would have begun his campaign with a far higher favorability rating. He had more than a shot, without even running he was within 10-15 points IIRC.  However arguably it would have handed the nomination to Sanders also.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
If Biden had announced he probably would have gotten a 5 point bump, taken points away from Hillary and would have begun his campaign with a far higher favorability rating. He had more than a shot, without even running he was within 10-15 points IIRC.  However arguably it would have handed the nomination to Sanders also.
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He would have won easily.   He's a long time gun owner.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
If Biden had announced he probably would have gotten a 5 point bump, taken points away from Hillary and would have begun his campaign with a far higher favorability rating. He had more than a shot, without even running he was within 10-15 points IIRC.  However arguably it would have handed the nomination to Sanders also.
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These "if he had run" scenarios always ignore the inevitable scrutiny that these folks would have come under.  Until you are actually running and become a major candidate, you are never really under the microscope.  Once the digging begins and the negative ads start running, things change big time. 

 
timschochet said:
Based on what? His performance in 2008? 

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this but Hillary Clinton had the vast majority of black voters on her side. That's the beginning and the end of the Democratic nomination. Period. Nobody else was ever going to beat her, because Obama wasn't running. 
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People seem to forget that politics is the art of forging alliances to get things done. The reason no one ran against Hillary is that she was so successful at getting virtually everyone on board with her prior to the primary.  

The idea that her success was somehow "rigged" is weird.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Different voters for one.  I would say you knew that but thats giving you too much credit.  Many people openly admit they are voting against Donald not for Hillary.  But don't let that stop you from being the ignorant political poster yet again.
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Keep riding that Trump bandwagon, Bubba.  

 
tommyGunZ said:
People seem to forget that politics is the art of forging alliances to get things done. The reason no one ran against Hillary is that she was so successful at getting virtually everyone on board with her prior to the primary.  

The idea that her success was somehow "rigged" is weird.  
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There's some truth to this - if Bernie had started his Presidential campaign earlier he would have stood a better chance.  When Obama beat Hillary he had effectively been campaigning since the 2004 Democratic convention.

 
timschochet said:
Based on what? His performance in 2008? 

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this but Hillary Clinton had the vast majority of black voters on her side. That's the beginning and the end of the Democratic nomination. Period. Nobody else was ever going to beat her, because Obama wasn't running. 
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Never understood all this Biden talk when he earned no delegates versus Obama, Hillary, and Edwards and he's now 74. 

 
timschochet said:
The Commish said:
The GOP is on tilt...the Dems aren't there yet so I sorta agree with her.  How come you aren't ripping her for "exactly equal" nonsense you and Tgunz like to bring up with everyone else?  That she thinks more money for education or healthcare is "extreme" should put the nail in the coffin of her being a "liberal" but I'm sure it won't be.  
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If you're speaking of the false equivalency argument, I didn't rip into her because she didn't use it. She used the "there are extremists on both sides" argument which I happen to agree with. The Republicsns let the extremists win; the Democrats have not, which is the main reason it's not equivalent. 

And she never said more money for education and healthcare is extreme; she's for that. She said a government pays for all system like Scandinavia is extreme.
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So you CAN distinguish between a specific post and someone saying "exactly equal"....good to know.

 
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