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After Oswald, who has been a high profile member of the Communist Party in the US since then? The only one I can think is Angela Davis and I am not even sure she is still a party member. Davis is still around and did endorse Hillary a few days ago, which means about as much as David Duke endorsing Trump.
Not really my hill, but as indicated in Cstu's wiki link the CPUSA has already endorsed Hillary/Kaine as they have all Democratic candidates since 1988.

I'm more interested in the electoral effect of the Socialist, Socialist Workers and World Workers parties if anyone ever wishes to get into minutiae.

- eta - about your actual point, well Davis was more dangerous in her younger years and I think folks like Bill Ayers could fairly qualify as communist. They are out there IMO.

 
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I bet you were one of those dudes who were terrified of the two black panther guys that Fox showed thousands of times after the 2008 election. You were, weren't you? 


One other point about the Black Panthers, I think the guy that shot up Baton Rouge's police was a New Black Panther at some stage if I'm not mistaken.

 
Not from the article, but by BFS own admission, deductibles have been rising.
Average ESI deductibles since the passage of ACA have risen slower than they did in the same number of yeasr immediately before the ACA.   And based on what people select,  average deductibles in the individual market have remained roughly in line with ESI.  At least as of last year.   However, I suspect that the reality is that deductibles in general continue to raise at about the same rates but with the caps on the maximum deductible being the limiting factor bending the curve down.  Also higher growth in deductibles in the ten years or so prior to the ACA implementation are also skewed by the simple fact that high deductible plans linked to HSAs were brand new.  Which also brings up one other point which Kaiser noted in the recent ESI survey being that for many employees higher deductibles are offset in part with employer contributions to the HSAs.  Of course that doesn't help those that can't fund that HSA - which I think is mentioned in the linked interview about how the high deductible/HSA plans are great for the healthy affluent population but not so much for those that either struggle to make ends meet or would max out the deductibles in most years.

 
Well here's a thought 30 days out. The reality is, unless you are voting for Trump, you can call Hillary and her supporters all the names you want: You are supporting her too. So trash Hillary if it makes you feel better. Then you say "I vote for Johnson", or you vote "against the system" ("the system is broken"!). Whatever, vote for Trump or shut up because frankly, you're not helping anything now. System arguments, third party arguments, where the hell are you people in the off-cycle? You think 30 days out you're making a statement?

Look the fact is no one likes her. There are those that are doing the responsible thing by voting for her, and then there are the trolls/cowards who will trash her but at the same time privately hope Trump's not elected, and will be secretly thanking the responsible ones among us before they go to bed on the 8th. Then they'll come on here for 4 more years saying "see, Hillary did this wrong, did that wrong, I told you so". Must be fun to take no responsibility, to call people names, to be holier than thou, while others do the hard thing. Tell you what, I'll do the right thing for you, guy. You call me a libtard. Fair enough deal.

 
squistion said:
Davis is still around and did endorse Hillary a few days ago, which means about as much as David Duke endorsing Trump.
Btw I think Davis pretty much neutered these days (not sure but that's my perception) and I agree with you on that aspect, but Duke's sympathy and connectedness and endorsement of Trump is not insignificant.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Not really my hill, but as indicated in Cstu's wiki link the CPUSA has already endorsed Hillary/Kaine as they have all Democratic candidates since 1988.

I'm more interested in the electoral effect of the Socialist, Socialist Workers and World Workers parties if anyone ever wishes to get into minutiae.

- eta - about your actual point, well Davis was more dangerous in her younger years and I think folks like Bill Ayers could fairly qualify as communist. They are out there IMO.
Bill Ayers was never an actual member of the Communist party, irrespective of his political beliefs.

When was the last time you saw anyone in this country being interviewed who self identified as a member of The Communist Party? The Communist Party exists pretty much in name only (estimated membership only 2,000 for the entire country) and with those miniscule numbers to claim that there are Communists still walking among us and representing some sort of actual threat to this country is ludicrous.

 
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Bill Ayers was never an actual member of the Communist party, irrespective of his political beliefs.

When was the last time you saw anyone in this country being interviewed who self identified as a member of The Communist Party? The Communist Party exists pretty much in name only (estimated membership only 2000 for the entire country) and with those miniscule numbers to claim that there are Communists still walking among us and representing some sort of actual threat to this country is ludicrous.
I agree with you on the prominent person aspect. I can't think of one. However Ayers was a self described communist and I think it's fair to say he still is one today if you actually listen to him. So I'm thinking small 'c' communists. As far as actual members of the CPSU? No. I did see the hammer in sickle in a couple May Day marches in Boston quite some time ago (oh maybe 2009-10). And the Red flag has popped up at some BLM marches.

I suppose on the political level the last one was Gus Hall, though like I said I think the Socialist, SW & WW parties are pretty close.

 
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Slapdash said:
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people that do believe it (like Tim) who continue to buy into the products of frauds like Paul Ryan
I didn't say I believed it worked. I wrote that HE (Paul Ryan) believes it works.

Personally, I don't believe that it works in terms of reducing the deficit or debt. But I do think that cutting taxes and cutting regulation can spur the economy. In theory at least. The last attempt to actually do so (2001) didn't work as well as I would have hoped. 
I'd prefer to be cynical and think think that the Speaker of the House is not a complete moron.  Maybe you're right and he is

 
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That new Clinton ad from the VP debate is great. 

the VP debate will be forgotten by the time we see Hillary and Trump 2. but this ad will continue to make the TV cycles. 

It seems like this was a plan all along. 
That is really good, they teed him up. Of course I don't know what else Pence could have done, had no choice. Well the other choice was going Full Trump himself.

 
From a DKos Diary:

Clinton is trouncing Trump among Asian American voters

Latinos aren’t the only immigrant group that doesn’t seem to want to have much to do with Donald Trump. Though the Asian American population is much smaller than the Latino population, Asian Americans are five percent of voters—and they’re five percent of voters that Donald Trump is losing badly. According to the National Asian American Survey, Trump is trailing Hillary Clinton by 41 points.

Clinton was drawing 55 percent support to Trump’s 14 percent. Ouch. If you count people who are leaning toward one candidate or the other, it’s 59 percent to 16 percent. Ouch again. And Trump may be hurting his party:


"The big takeaway is a continuation of what we saw in the Spring 2016 survey — an Asian-American population that was become more Democratic over time," Karthick Ramakrishnan, the survey's director, told NBC News. "We see that Trump is likely a significant reason for that shift. Trump's unfavorables are like nothing we've seen before."



Of course, the Asian American population is no monolith. It includes numerous ethnic groups with different backgrounds and political leanings. But this time around, they’re all leaning away from Trump. The smallest lead Clinton has (counting leaners) is a mere 26 points among Vietnamese Americans, 46 percent of whom say they support her, with 20 percent supporting Trump and a whopping 29 percent saying they’re undecided. At the other end, 73 percent of Korean Americans say they support Clinton, though she has the biggest lead among Indian Americans, 70 percent to seven percent.

In 2012, Barack Obama drew 68 percent of the Asian American vote to Mitt Romney’s 31 percent, so, if you count leaners, and with 16 percent still undecided, Clinton is running nine points behind Obama while Trump runs 17 points behind Romney. It looks like she’ll at least match and quite possibly exceed Obama’s margin here. And for good reason. Trump may be focusing his anti-immigrant remarks on Latinos, but Asian Americans are heavily immigrants or children of immigrants themselves. They can hear what he’s saying.

 
Probably just me but didn't Kaine come off as arrogant, angry, & rude?   Just wondering as first time I've seen him in action.

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
Average ESI deductibles since the passage of ACA have risen slower than they did in the same number of yeasr immediately before the ACA.   And based on what people select,  average deductibles in the individual market have remained roughly in line with ESI.  At least as of last year.   However, I suspect that the reality is that deductibles in general continue to raise at about the same rates but with the caps on the maximum deductible being the limiting factor bending the curve down.  Also higher growth in deductibles in the ten years or so prior to the ACA implementation are also skewed by the simple fact that high deductible plans linked to HSAs were brand new.  Which also brings up one other point which Kaiser noted in the recent ESI survey being that for many employees higher deductibles are offset in part with employer contributions to the HSAs.  Of course that doesn't help those that can't fund that HSA - which I think is mentioned in the linked interview about how the high deductible/HSA plans are great for the healthy affluent population but not so much for those that either struggle to make ends meet or would max out the deductibles in most years.
Curious why you didn't post this in the "Obamacare thread"?  Seems worthwhile.

 
Government Contractor Charged with Removal of Classified Materials and Theft of Government Property



Affidavit Alleges Classified Material Found in Defendant’s Home and Car




Baltimore, Maryland – A criminal complaint has been filed charging Harold Thomas Martin III, age 51, of Glen Burnie, Maryland, with theft of government property and unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials by a government employee or contractor. According to the affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint, Martin was a contractor with the federal government and had a top secret national security clearance. Martin was arrested late on August 27, 2016.  The complaint was filed on August 29, 2016, and unsealed today.

The criminal complaint was announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein; Assistant Attorney General for National Security John P. Carlin; and Special Agent in Charge Gordon B. Johnson of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Baltimore Field Office.

According to the affidavit, on August 27, 2016, search warrants were executed at Martin’s residence in Glen Burnie, including two storage sheds, as well as upon his vehicle and person.  During execution of the warrants, investigators located hard copy documents and digital information stored on various devices and removable digital media. A large percentage of the materials recovered from Martin’s residence and vehicle bore markings indicating that they were property of the United States and contained highly classified information of the United States, including Top Secret and Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). In addition, investigators located property of the United States with an aggregate value in excess of $1,000, which Martin allegedly stole.

The complaint alleges that among the classified documents found in the search were six classified documents obtained from sensitive intelligence and produced by a government agency in 2014. These documents were produced through sensitive government sources, methods, and capabilities, which are critical to a wide variety of national security issues. The disclosure of the documents would reveal those sensitive sources, methods, and capabilities.

The documents have been reviewed by a person designated as an original classification authority, and in each instance, the authority has determined that the documents are currently and properly classified as Top Secret, meaning that unauthorized disclosure reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security of the United States.

If convicted, Martin faces a maximum sentence of one year in prison for the unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials, and ten years in prison for theft of government property.  An initial appearance was held for Martin in U.S. District Court in Baltimore on August 29, 2016.  Martin remains detained.  A criminal complaint is not a finding of guilt. 

...


https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/government-contractor-charged-removal-classified-materials-and-theft-government-property

- Well, I'm sure he didn't mean it.


 
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hopefully Mr. Martin's nine attorneys will be able to negotiate an interview, without transcripts, or recordings, or being sworn in, and they are able to come to an amicable resolution to this obvious mistake, which i'm sure Mr. Martin will take full responsibility for.

 
hopefully Mr. Martin's nine attorneys will be able to negotiate an interview, without transcripts, or recordings, or being sworn in, and they are able to come to an amicable resolution to this obvious mistake, which i'm sure Mr. Martin will take full responsibility for.
I'm sure he's already been given immunity by the FBI before any interviews or anything like that.

 
- Well, I'm sure he didn't mean it.
There are two key elements which distinguish Martin's case (and all the other "similar" cases) from Clinton's email situation:

1. Martin knew the material was classified.
2. Martin knew the material was not secure.

You can argue that Hillary "should have known" or "had reason to believe" that the material on her server was classified and not secure, but without evidence to support that claim, the case isn't going to result in a conviction.

 
You can argue that Hillary "should have known" or "had reason to believe" that the material on her server was classified and not secure, but without evidence to support that claim, the case isn't going to result in a conviction.
He right hand man chief of staff took an immunity deal in order to turn over data on her laptop. Sole reason to do that was because she knew the data was classified and illegally retained there.

 
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There are two key elements which distinguish Martin's case (and all the other "similar" cases) from Clinton's email situation:

1. Martin knew the material was classified.
2. Martin knew the material was not secure.

You can argue that Hillary "should have known" or "had reason to believe" that the material on her server was classified and not secure, but without evidence to support that claim, the case isn't going to result in a conviction.
IIRC Hillary did sign an NDA where she indicated she had been trained and knew how to identify Confidential information, and then from the FBI notes she said she didn't know how to identify Confidential information and that she could not recall being trained on how to so.

this seem to be contradictory in nature. i wonder which is correct?

 
Curious why you didn't post this in the "Obamacare thread"?  Seems worthwhile.
It is all in there.  Including the actual numbers that are used to make the claims as well as links.   Those that dominate that thread aren't interested in actual data other than rate increases.   Believe me I tried!  But somehow gathering facts and trying to understand them makes you an ACA/Obama worshipper (if search worked I'd tell you to search for "nanny care" or "didn't we try this approach 25 years ago - what is different this time.")  Oh, and the average American family is paying pretty darn close to  $2500 less than they were projected to now pay for healthcare back in 2008  -  just largely not for the reasons offered back then and it is a term late.

 
Hillary's entire strategy is to repeat what Trump said and watch him squirm.  It's been a painful year and a half of listening to Trump speak but he's finally getting his comeuppance.

 
Probably just me but didn't Kaine come off as arrogant, angry, & rude?   Just wondering as first time I've seen him in action.
I can see how guy could come off that way when he's calling you out on your lies.
I watched my one and only baseball game last night so my knowledge of the debate is entirely from news.google.com so take everything I right with a big grain of salt, but I think that the consensus on this agrees with the idiot  (hope in this case that this qualifies as "being excellent").   

 
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I watched my one and only baseball game last night so my knowledge of the debate is entirely from news.google.com so take everything I right with a big grain of salt, but I think that the consensus on this agrees with the idiot  (hope in this case that this qualifies as "being excellent").   
Kaine definitely looked like a doosh. But on the flip side, there's this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-ad-shows-donald-trump-contradicting-mike-pence-vice-presidential-debate-2016-10

Someone else in one of the other threads said that Kaine's job last night was to hit a sacrifice fly, which I thought was pretty spot on.

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
Average ESI deductibles since the passage of ACA have risen slower than they did in the same number of yeasr immediately before the ACA.   And based on what people select,  average deductibles in the individual market have remained roughly in line with ESI.  At least as of last year.   However, I suspect that the reality is that deductibles in general continue to raise at about the same rates but with the caps on the maximum deductible being the limiting factor bending the curve down.  Also higher growth in deductibles in the ten years or so prior to the ACA implementation are also skewed by the simple fact that high deductible plans linked to HSAs were brand new.  Which also brings up one other point which Kaiser noted in the recent ESI survey being that for many employees higher deductibles are offset in part with employer contributions to the HSAs.  Of course that doesn't help those that can't fund that HSA - which I think is mentioned in the linked interview about how the high deductible/HSA plans are great for the healthy affluent population but not so much for those that either struggle to make ends meet or would max out the deductibles in most years.
ESI deductibles shouldn't be impacted by ACA.  Speaking about deductibles Blue Cross just informed me starting next year....

Lab work is no longer covered until you meet your deductible.

ER visits are no longer covered at your co-pay until you meet your deductible.

If you want to keep your out of network doctor you can, it will now cost you 4x rather than 2x.

All these improvements for the nice price of +25%.

Can we please get back those "garbage plans" of yesteryear???

 
Both the State IG and the FBI found that Hillary had stored her classified data on an unauthorized location.

Why can't Martin claim he did not know it was not ok to store his documentation at home?
Sure, Martin can make that argument. But I tend to think that "I really thought my car's back seat was secure!" isn't quite as convincing as "I thought the email server set up by my IT staff was secure".

 
Kaine definitely looked like a doosh. But on the flip side, there's this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-ad-shows-donald-trump-contradicting-mike-pence-vice-presidential-debate-2016-10

Someone else in one of the other threads said that Kaine's job last night was to hit a sacrifice fly, which I thought was pretty spot on.
Seemed to be the morning show consensus.  But the canned zingers, Hillary planting a 15 year old actress to ask about body image, Kaine coming off as smug and overly rehearsed -- it's fuel on the sentiment fire.  People are tired of this kind of politicking.  Pence came off as more likeable and don't underestimate the power of that.  I can see where for many undecideds, he flipped the script from "this is the letter of what Trump said," which is what hall monitor Kaine unrelentingly harped on to "yeah, but that's not what he meant."  Pence was far more effective at controlling his narrative and Kaine's sacrifice fly might have been a pop fly bunt to the pitcher when all is calculated.

 
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Seemed to be the morning show consensus.  But the canned zingers, Hillary planting a 15 year old actress to ask about body image, Kaine coming off as smug and overly rehearsed -- it's fuel on the sentiment fire.  People are tired of this kind of politicking.  Pence came off as more likeable and don't underestimate the power of that.  I can see where for many undecideds, he flipped the script from "this is the letter of what Trump said," which is what hall monitor Kaine unrelentingly harped on to "yeah, but that's not what he meant."  Pence was far more effective at controlling his narrative and Kaine's sacrifice fly might have been a pop fly bunt to the pitcher when all is calculated.
This would be a better point if VP debates actually mattered.

 
Seemed to be the morning show consensus.  But the canned zingers, Hillary planting a 15 year old actress to ask about body image, Kaine coming off as smug and overly rehearsed -- it's fuel on the sentiment fire.  People are tired of this kind of politicking.  Pence came off as more likeable and don't underestimate the power of that.  I can see where for many undecideds, he flipped the script from "this is the letter of what Trump said," which is what hall monitor Kaine unrelentingly harped on to "yeah, but that's not what he meant."  Pence was far more effective at controlling his narrative and Kaine's sacrifice fly might have been a pop fly bunt to the pitcher when all is calculated.
It won't change any votes. The Frank Luntz focus group had Pence the clear winner (which was no surprise) but no one changed their opinion as to who they were going to vote for.

 
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Curious why you didn't post this in the "Obamacare thread"?  Seems worthwhile.
This is really quick and dirty (and a year off) but a few weeks ago the latest  2016 Employer Health Benefits Survey states that -

The average general annual deductible for single coverage for covered workers in plans with a deductible has increased 49% over the last five years, from $991 in 2011 to $1,478 in 2016
Later it says...

the average deductible amounts for covered workers in plans with deductibles: from $584 in 2006, to $991 in 2011, to $1,478 in 2016. 
KFF already did the 1478/991 to get 1.491422805, so repeating that with 991/584 gives you .1.696917808.   The same deductible increases are slower than what thwy were was true in 2015 (and is in that thread).

KFF takes this one step further to try to factor in those are newly subjected to deductibles 

  • Using this approach, the average general annual deductible for single coverage for all covered workers in 2016 is $1,221 (Exhibit 7.9).

    [*]The 2016 value is 63% higher than the average general annual deductible of $747 in 2011 and 300% higher than the average general annual deductible of $303 in 2006 (Exhibit 7.9).
Obviously 747/303 > 1.63.

In the ACA thread last year the much more difficult and muddier exercise of repeating this for family plans was attempted.   Muddied  as KFF presented the change in deductible by plan type but didn't give overall averages nor clear information on the change in the ratios to safely calculate it with confidence.

 
Sure, Martin can make that argument. But I tend to think that "I really thought my car's back seat was secure!" isn't quite as convincing as "I thought the email server set up by my IT staff was secure".
Statistically the backseat of a car is probably more secure than anything stored on an unsecured server.

 
ESI deductibles shouldn't be impacted by ACA.  Speaking about deductibles Blue Cross just informed me starting next year....

Lab work is no longer covered until you meet your deductible.

ER visits are no longer covered at your co-pay until you meet your deductible.

If you want to keep your out of network doctor you can, it will now cost you 4x rather than 2x.

All these improvements for the nice price of +25%.

Can we please get back those "garbage plans" of yesteryear???
Nah.  I'd rather get distracted by smoke screens, "Look! Squirrel!" arguments and fake insured numbers being thrown around by the ACA Defenderstm.  It makes me feel better believing in their fake #### than actual reality.

 
The ACA has huge problems, and she should run away from it. I don't think Bill bringing it up hurts the campaign. She doesn't have to be lockstep with Obama on this issue, nor should she be. Obama would probably admit it needs fixing, if he could put aside the "legacy issue" baggage.

 
It won't change any votes. The Frank Luntz focus group had Pence the clear winner (which was no surprise) but no one changed their opinion as to who they were going to vote for.
True -- but one factor not to underconsider is who is motivated to get out and vote.  If Trump's support was somewhat stymied in the past two weeks, Pence may have reengergized them while Kaine may lend to an already lackluster enthusiasm for Clinton while Pence alleviated some of the fears that Trump must be stopped at all costs. 

I've said before that a bellweather of this election is the startling lack of yard signs. In Austin, a typical drive from my house to the gym would see hundreds of signs in 2008, pretty equally mixed between candidates.  Notice I said hundreds, with a marked drop-off in 2012, but still hundreds.  The same drive this week yields maybe 10 signs.  (It should be noted that I see zero Trump signs).  So I'd read this as a general lack of gusto for either of these candidates and election day may well be influenced by who shows up in force. 

Pence did a better job than Kaine in energizing the base and cooling down the opposition.

I do not want Trump to win and think he needs two solid debate performances he doesn't have in him, but last night was not in the plus column for the Hillary camp, though I'm sure they think it was.  That's part of the disconnect. 

 
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Sure, Martin can make that argument. But I tend to think that "I really thought my car's back seat was secure!" isn't quite as convincing as "I thought the email server set up by my IT staff was secure".
A laptop, thumb drive and blackberry with Hillary's emails are missing. 

- ETA - On two other occasions pouches with classified hard copy documents were left in a car and a Moscow hotel room.

Server in a basement, unencrypted, backed up to bathroom in an apartment in CO, then to gmail, and a vendor in CT. 

 
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ESI deductibles shouldn't be impacted by ACA.  Speaking about deductibles Blue Cross just informed me starting next year....

Lab work is no longer covered until you meet your deductible.

ER visits are no longer covered at your co-pay until you meet your deductible.

If you want to keep your out of network doctor you can, it will now cost you 4x rather than 2x.

All these improvements for the nice price of +25%.

Can we please get back those "garbage plans" of yesteryear???
ESI plans are slightly better off thanks to the ACA because there are slightly fewer free riders.   Both the increase in those with coverage and the increase in those with "real" coverage.

As for your specific case you'd probably prefer my bleeding heart side to the cold analytical side.   

 
True -- but one factor not to underconsider is who is motivated to get out and vote.  If Trump's support was somewhat stymied in the past two weeks, Pence may have reengergized them while Kaine may lend to an already lackluster enthusiasm for Clinton while Pence alleviated some of the fears that Trump must be stopped at all costs. 

I've said before that a bellweather of this election is the startling lack of yard signs. In Austin, a typical drive from my house to the gym would see hundreds of signs in 2008, pretty equally mixed between candidates.  Notice I said hundreds, with a marked drop-off in 2012, but still hundreds.  The same drive this week yields maybe 10 signs.  (It should be noted that I see zero Trump signs).  So I'd read this as a general lack of gusto for either of these candidates and election day may well be influenced by who shows up in force. 

Pence did a better job than Kaine in energizing the base and cooling down the opposition.

I do not want Trump to win and think he needs two solid debate performances he doesn't have in him, but last night was not in the plus column for the Hillary camp, though I'm sure they think it was.  That's part of the disconnect. 
That ad alone made the debate a winner for the Dems.  And Pence doesn't motivate Trump's "base."  These people aren't normal folks with Republican values, Trump's base wants to blow up the establishment and Pence is very much part of the establishment. 

 
Well here's a thought 30 days out. The reality is, unless you are voting for Trump, you can call Hillary and her supporters all the names you want: You are supporting her too. So trash Hillary if it makes you feel better. Then you say "I vote for Johnson", or you vote "against the system" ("the system is broken"!). Whatever, vote for Trump or shut up because frankly, you're not helping anything now. System arguments, third party arguments, where the hell are you people in the off-cycle? You think 30 days out you're making a statement?

Look the fact is no one likes her. There are those that are doing the responsible thing by voting for her, and then there are the trolls/cowards who will trash her but at the same time privately hope Trump's not elected, and will be secretly thanking the responsible ones among us before they go to bed on the 8th. Then they'll come on here for 4 more years saying "see, Hillary did this wrong, did that wrong, I told you so". Must be fun to take no responsibility, to call people names, to be holier than thou, while others do the hard thing. Tell you what, I'll do the right thing for you, guy. You call me a libtard. Fair enough deal.
I'm voting for the best candidate in the race.  Yes, I'll spend the next 4-8 years criticizing Hillary, because my guy would do better.

 
whitem0nkey said:
That new Clinton ad from the VP debate is great. 

the VP debate will be forgotten by the time we see Hillary and Trump 2. but this ad will continue to make the TV cycles. 

It seems like this was a plan all along. 
I like this Kaine guy.  Maybe he should be at the top of the ticket.

 
Hillary's entire strategy is to repeat what Trump said and watch him squirm.  It's been a painful year and a half of listening to Trump speak but he's finally getting his comeuppance.
The disturbing thing is that I don't think this sort of thing causes Trump to squirm at all.  He doesn't give a ####, which makes him weirder and more sociopathic than anybody running for president in my lifetime.  Most normal people -- and that includes run-of-the-mill pathological liars like Hillary Clinton -- want people to like them and trust them.  Trump honestly just doesn't seem to care in the slightest.  It's as if he takes pride in being untrustworthy.  

This is just a really spectacular election.  

 
The ACA has huge problems, and she should run away from it. I don't think Bill bringing it up hurts the campaign. She doesn't have to be lockstep with Obama on this issue, nor should she be. Obama would probably admit it needs fixing, if he could put aside the "legacy issue" baggage.
The Clinton's would do well to avoid pointing out their brand of corporate democrats couldn't even get a stripped down national health care scheme passed.

 
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