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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)

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timschochet said:
Umm- OJ was arrested and charged with a crime. Hillary has never been charged with anything.
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He was found not guilty in the courtroom of murder after all the evidence was presented.  Since you're a by the book kind of guy, I presume you believe he did not commit murder because he was never convicted.  Correct?

 
timschochet said:
Why do you keep talking about a conviction? Forget a conviction, she's never been charged. 

If OJ had never been charged I wouldn't think he was a murderer. 
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She, and her political party, controls the career of the guy investigating her.  Even you're not this stupid.  I think.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
She, and her political party, controls the career of the guy investigating her.  Even you're not this stupid.  I think.
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Controls his career?  What the hell does that even mean?   If he indicted her, her presidential run would've been over so how is she up on any consequence to him.  You think his career would be over if he went ahead with an indictment?  And you're implying that Tim is stupid.

 
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NREC34 said:
So what would like to see be done?

Someone from the conservative bubble investigate her? 

Sounds fair to me. 
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Multiple investigators so one guy can't cover up the whole thing, or have his career ruined, by this turd?  Then again, when the government controls everything, the corruption in the government grows and grows.  Yeah, let's put them in charge of healthcare!!

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
She, and her political party, controls the career of the guy investigating her.  Even you're not this stupid.  I think.
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This is the second time now you've called me stupid. I'm not offended (I don't need to rely on others in order to evaluate my intelligence) but it's kind of a weak argument.

Your implication here is that a public servant, with years of experience behind him and a great reputation for integrity, would be influenced and corrupted because his career is "controlled." Personally I think that's extremely unlikely, and it's also a slur on a man who has done nothing that you know of to deserve it.

 
timschochet said:
This is the second time now you've called me stupid. I'm not offended (I don't need to rely on others in order to evaluate my intelligence) but it's kind of a weak argument.

Your implication here is that a public servant, with years of experience behind him and a great reputation for integrity, would be influenced and corrupted because his career is "controlled." Personally I think that's extremely unlikely, and it's also a slur on a man who has done nothing that you know of to deserve it.
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i actually said you weren't that stupid.

But you are a troll to claim this level of ignorance.   

 
Hillary's team buying ads on the Weather Channel during the big storm.  You can't make this stuff up.  Then when called out on issues this statement:  

"Earlier in the week, we made changes to our TV ad reservations across hundreds of stations in several battleground states including Florida. Less than 1% of those changes included The Weather Channel. We have requested that stations in Florida delay any of those ads on the Weather Channel until after the storm passes."

 
timschochet said:
I don't think I'm a stupid person. I defend Hillary because she is worth defending, and because I don't think she is guilty of any of the serious accusations you and others have thrown at her. I believe most or all of your charges are baseless, without real evidence, and are based on partisan dislike and nothing more.
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Still undecided, but, if I end up voting for Hillary it isn't going to be without a little bit of throw up in my mouth. My god are you delusional. 

 
David Dodds said:
Hillary's team buying ads on the Weather Channel during the big storm.  You can't make this stuff up.  Then when called out on issues this statement:  

"Earlier in the week, we made changes to our TV ad reservations across hundreds of stations in several battleground states including Florida. Less than 1% of those changes included The Weather Channel. We have requested that stations in Florida delay any of those ads on the Weather Channel until after the storm passes."
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Over eager and ambitious cuz they want to close out the deal.   A mistake due to exuberance, that's all it is.  The campaign acknowledged their error and respectfully backed down.  

How is the response to the current Trump fire going?

 
timschochet said:
This is the second time now you've called me stupid. I'm not offended (I don't need to rely on others in order to evaluate my intelligence) but it's kind of a weak argument.

Your implication here is that a public servant, with years of experience behind him and a great reputation for integrity, would be influenced and corrupted because his career is "controlled." Personally I think that's extremely unlikely, and it's also a slur on a man who has done nothing that you know of to deserve it.
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No doubt if a republican did the same thing they would be destroyed. The VA governor has spent years in court for "corruption " thst every politician is guilty of. Liberal media loves to look the other way on their own and gives them an easy out. Sad. 

 
David Dodds said:
Hillary's team buying ads on the Weather Channel during the big storm.  You can't make this stuff up.  Then when called out on issues this statement:  

"Earlier in the week, we made changes to our TV ad reservations across hundreds of stations in several battleground states including Florida. Less than 1% of those changes included The Weather Channel. We have requested that stations in Florida delay any of those ads on the Weather Channel until after the storm passes."
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That's called business, by the way.

 
cstu said:
The Commish said:
Not really interested in "sad".  When it comes to government it's just/unjust.  That's what I care about :shrug:   We've had epic fails in this department.  It's undeniable.  
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Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Beaver Cleaver? Obama has a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for American terrorist killed in drone attacks, and you curse Obama. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that those American deaths, while occasionally tragic, probably saved lives; and Obama's decisions, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
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This is about the only direction you could go here....well done.  Now is when we add "sad" to the conversation.

 
timschochet said:
Lost in the news about Trump is that, per MSNBC, Russian hackers have released notes from Hillary's speeches to Goldman Sachs. 

I have no idea what the details are, but the summary, per MSNBC, is that Hillary spoke in favor of open immigration and as free trade as possible. If that is true then I like her even more than before (though I recognize that others may not). 
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Why?  Because she says one thing to one group and something else to another?

 
timschochet said:
If your accusation is true it would bother me a great deal. But I find myself very skeptical of the source, and in particular his interpretation of those emails which he has illegally leaked.
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All of a sudden, now you're concerned about illegal leaking of e-mails?

 
David Dodds said:
Hillary's team buying ads on the Weather Channel during the big storm.  You can't make this stuff up.  Then when called out on issues this statement:  

"Earlier in the week, we made changes to our TV ad reservations across hundreds of stations in several battleground states including Florida. Less than 1% of those changes included The Weather Channel. We have requested that stations in Florida delay any of those ads on the Weather Channel until after the storm passes."
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I don't see the problem here.  Seems like a good move.  Trump wishes he had thought of it.

 
Right, I am sure Tim thinks that if the emails were obtained and leaked illegally, then what's in them doesn't matter.

Meanwhile, people who come to this country illegally are just swell, according to him.  

His hypocrisy knows no bounds. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
No, most people in here rail on Hillary for a variety of reasons. Being resigned to a candidate like her isn't having anyone jumping up and down. But here's the reality. Trump says he can grab women by the ######. Sorry but it isn't just two terrible sides of the same coin.
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Although it has been said with some fairness that Trump says all these horrible things. Clintons have done them.  

 
NREC34 said:
Is stuff like this where you get your news?

Do you believe The National Enquirer is true too?

You live in a bubble bro. 
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Just admit you won't believe anything anyway unless Hillary personally calls you and owns up to her BS.  And  :lmao:  about me living in a bubble.  Your head is so far up Hillary's ### you can almost kiss Tim by now.

 
David Dodds said:
Reading this does not bother anyone?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/press-release

She brokered a deal involving 20% of our Uranium for profit through her Clinton Foundation and no one cares?  Screw the lesser of two evils argument.  She deserves to crash and burn soon. 
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So, the NYT story was 4/23/15.
 

The Clinton campaign spokesman, Mr. Fallon, said that in general, these matters did not rise to the secretary’s level. He would not comment on whether Mrs. Clinton had been briefed on the matter, but he gave The Times a statement from the former assistant secretary assigned to the foreign investment committee at the time, Jose Fernandez. While not addressing the specifics of the Uranium One deal, Mr. Fernandez said, “Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter.”
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Fallon writes the NYT the day before the story:

From: Brian Fallon <brianefallon@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:15 PM Subject: Formal response from me To: Jo Becker <jbecker@nytimes.com>, "McIntire, Mike" <mcintire@nytimes.com>
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At this point Fallon had just left the DOJ as press secretary to be Hillary's press secretary.

Who did WL hack here? Fallon? That's kind of a big deal if so.

Fallon:

During the time period in question, that position was held by Jose Fernandez. As you are aware, Mr. Fernandez has personally attested that “Secretary Clinton never intervened with me on any CFIUS matter.”
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4/17/15, Fernandez writes Podesta:

As I mentioned, I would like to do all I can to support Secretary Clinton, and would welcome your advice and help in steering me to the right persons in the campaign.
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By March of 2015, John Podesta had already landed Fernandez a position with the Center for American Progress.

This isn't the sort of stuff that people were expecting from WL. Yeah if they hacked Fallon that would be a huge fact in itself, or else who did they hack here? That's arguably big, but this isn't exactly a smoking gun. Who wouldn't doubt that the State Department isn't filled with political lifers or appointees gunning to get a slot with the next administration? Did Fernandez's statement to the NYT satisfy anyone? It shouldn't have to begin with.

This still stands out to to me from the NYT story though:

Anne-Marie Slaughter, the State Department’s director of policy planning at the time, said she was unaware of the transaction — or the extent to which it made Russia a dominant uranium supplier. But speaking generally, she urged caution in evaluating its wisdom in hindsight.

“Russia was not a country we took lightly at the time or thought was cuddly,” she said. “But it wasn’t the adversary it is today.”
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This is still point blank stupid. The mask was off Putin for a good 7 or so years at that point, easily.

Mitt Romney had called Russia America's No. 1 geopolitical foe in the presidential debates in 2012, and yet these transactions continued through 2013.

 
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timschochet said:
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Show me a Secretary of State who would have blocked that deal and on what grounds.  :popcorn:
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This is really the source of my skepticism. In addition, the State Department has long term employees, people who have worked as diplomats for decades under all types of administrations, who work on these deals. The assumption that the Secretary of State comes in and negotiates his or her own deals is really kind of silly.
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As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.
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- NYT

You do see the problem here, though, right?

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Just admit you won't believe anything anyway unless Hillary personally calls you and owns up to her BS.  And  :lmao:  about me living in a bubble.  Your head is so far up Hillary's ### you can almost kiss Tim by now.
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lol! Ya Tim is pretty far in there. Hillary wouldn't be my first choice tbh. 

I think she is extremely qualified though and she's not Trump. 

And I don't blindly believe conspiracy theories from right wing rags. 

 
NREC34 said:
lol! Ya Tim is pretty far in there. Hillary wouldn't be my first choice tbh. 

I think she is extremely qualified though and she's not Trump. 

And I don't blindly believe conspiracy theories from right wing rags. 
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But you'll believe the VRWCTM  poor Hillary nonsense from the left no questions asked?

 
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MaxThreshold said:
But you'll believe the VRWCTM  poor Hillary nonsense from the left no questions asked?
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I think it would be a great thing to know the unbiased truth for everything. 

If the stories about Hillary are true then she should be hurt in the election. Anyone can write a story. Doesn't make it the truth. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- NYT

You do see the problem here, though, right?
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Hillary revealed the Clinton way in her paid speeches.

...she has “a public and a private position.” “If everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least,” said Clinton. “So, you need both a public and a private position.”

She's saying to get things done in Washington, it has to be opaque and pay-for-play.  It's a way of life, but also a philosophy.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- NYT

You do see the problem here, though, right?
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The problem is clear.  You and others apparently have no idea the scrutiny and multi-agency reviews these deals undergo.  

I give lots of my less politically savvy friends on facebook a pass on lots of this conspiracy stuff; they take the bait because they have no exposure to how this stuff works and don't have the intellectual curiosity to read up and understand how silly accusations like this are.

You don't have this excuse.  You're smart and you spend hours per day scouring the net for political stories.  Why do you push stuff like this that you know is absurd? 

 
Mr. Ham said:
Hillary revealed the Clinton way in her paid speeches.

...she has “a public and a private position.” “If everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least,” said Clinton. “So, you need both a public and a private position.”

She's saying to get things done in Washington, it has to be opaque and pay-for-play.  It's a way of life, but also a philosophy.  
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Where specifically does she refer to the pay for play? 

 
Considering that Clinton's lead is back out to almost six points and none of those polls include ##### grabbing, the mountain Trump will have to climb in the last three weeks is going to be Everest sized.

Republicans staying home and ushering in a Dem landslide that flips the Senate and legit puts the House in play is a real thing now.

 
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Mr. Ham said:
Let's say Trump dropped out this weekend and Pence took top of the ticket.... I think he jumps to an immediate lead.  Hillary should be careful what she wishes for.
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The Republican candidate has essentially set himself on fire, and your take is that Hillary should be worried. 

You are insane. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
The problem is clear.  You and others apparently have no idea the scrutiny and multi-agency reviews these deals undergo.  

I give lots of my less politically savvy friends on facebook a pass on lots of this conspiracy stuff; they take the bait because they have no exposure to how this stuff works and don't have the intellectual curiosity to read up and understand how silly accusations like this are.

You don't have this excuse.  You're smart and you spend hours per day scouring the net for political stories.  Why do you push stuff like this that you know is absurd? 
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I do think it was a foolish, bad decision by the government by all concerned though. It would be good if we could at least agree from a rational, objective standard point it was a foolish decision by all concerned.

As for the rest: You should maybe read my respond to David? I agree with your prior post that there's no proof of nefarious behavior of any kind from WL on this.

But on my last post - you see no problem with the husband of the SOS going to a foreign country to take money - a half million dollars - for a speech right as the SD is making a decision affecting the party giving the money? Yeah, personally I do not think that should be happening. Yes, because it looks bad.

 
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Considering that Clinton's lead is back out to almost six points and none of those polls include ##### grabbing, the mountain Trump will have to climb in the last three weeks is going to be Everest sized.

Republicans staying home and ushering in a Dem landslide that flips the Senate and legit puts the House in play is a real thing now.
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Yep.  This election was over a long time ago.   I'm still not convinced the House is in play, but that would be awesome.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I do think it was a foolish, bad decision by the government by all concerned though. It would be good if we could at least agree from a rational, objective standard point it was a foolish decision by all concerned.

As for the rest: You should maybe read my respond to David? I agree with your prior post that there's no proof of nefarious behavior of any kind from WL on this.

But on my last post - you see no problem with the husband of the SOS going to a foreign country to take money - a half million dollars - for a speech right as the SD is making a decision affecting the party giving the money? Yeah, personally I do not think that should be happening. Yes, because it looks bad.
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Uranium One didn't pay Clinton $500k, for starters.  

 
Adderall Slim said:
I respect the work you've done to build this site and community. That's why it's such a drag to find out this is who you are. 
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Yeah.  If he would only keep his head in the sand like Clinton supporters it would be so much better.  After all, who really wants to know the truth about Clinton, amiright?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I do think it was a foolish, bad decision by the government by all concerned though. It would be good if we could at least agree from a rational, objective standard point it was a foolish decision by all concerned.
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You're undoubtedly far more informed as to the merits of th deal and all the negative effects it's had for the US than I am.  I've only read the political angles over the past couple of years. 

Where would you suggest I look to find out more?  

 
I woke up to all the Trump stories, out of curiosity which story broke first...Trump'a ##### tape or the latest Wikileaks release?  

Late on a Friday seems like odd timing for both.

 
MaxThreshold said:
Yeah.  If he would only keep his head in the sand like Clinton supporters it would be so much better.  After all, who really wants to know the truth about Clinton, amiright?
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When issues are investigated, you folks ignore the results and still cling to the debunked conspiracy theories.  

At some point, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!?

 
tommyGunZ said:
You're undoubtedly far more informed as to the merits of th deal and all the negative effects it's had for the US than I am.  I've only read the political angles over the past couple of years. 

Where would you suggest I look to find out more?  
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I will see if I can find something.

 
MaxThreshold said:
I know.  OJ was innocent too since he wasn't convicted either.  Good point.
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OJ was found liable in the civil suit and was later convicted of a crime.  What you and others are implying is that Hillary is the greatest criminal mastermind in history for never being charged with anything. 

 
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squistion said:
Indeed by avoiding the point I made about your argument:

His default position is always the Straw Man, "So because she is not sitting in jail you say she has never done anything wrong!" 

No Max. In almost 40 years, despite allegations of being a career criminal, Hillary has not been charged with any crime in any jurisdiction by any prosecutor - not even a misdemeanor. Try as you might you can never get around this.
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