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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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Gr00vus said:
Espousing sexual assault equals espousing sexual assault. There are lots of bs stories you can make up - when you start making up stories about yourself engaging in sexual assault it means you've got some serious issues which preclude you from being a candidate for U.S. President.

It's disturbing that you and others choose to continue to equivocate over this. It's not some ambiguous, opinion based concept we're discussing where there's a ton of grey area - there's right and wrong here. You and others are putting forth a lot of effort to defend wrong. Very troubling.
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Not really, just think people like you are prone to exaggeration and pretend fainting spells. But lather yourself up some more over it. In a month you'll forget all about this

 
timschochet said:
From women that I have talked to, the most offensive aspect of Trump's comments was when he bragged that as a star he could "do anything". Far too many women have had to deal with men as bosses or in positions of power taking sexual advantage. A woman may go along with it, but that doesn't make it consensual; it means she is afraid to say anything. 
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Why is not more being made of him trying to have sex with a married woman while his pregnant wife is at home?

That's actual action, action that Trump says he has a problem with:

If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse. Mine are words, and his was action. His was what he’s done to women. There’s never been anybody in the history politics in this nation that’s been so abusive to women. So you can say any way you want to say it, but Bill Clinton was abusive to women.
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timschochet said:
From women that I have talked to, the most offensive aspect of Trump's comments was when he bragged that as a star he could "do anything". Far too many women have had to deal with men as bosses or in positions of power taking sexual advantage. A woman may go along with it, but that doesn't make it consensual; it means she is afraid to say anything. 
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Sounds a lot like Bill Clinton. 

 
tommyboy said:
Not really, just think people like you are prone to exaggeration and pretend fainting spells. But lather yourself up some more over it. In a month you'll forget all about this
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There's nothing to exaggerate, Trump's statements are reprehensible without any additional exaggeration. But, sexual assault, no big deal to tommyboy. Duly noted. I'm sure you're pleased with what you perceive to be a clever rejoinder, but understand that it reflects pretty poorly on you overall. The fact that you can't comprehend that goes a long way towards understanding how there are that many people willing to support a dirt bag like Trump.

And let me guess - your next response will be this: :lmao: .

 
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cstu said:
Why is not more being made of him trying to have sex with a married woman while his pregnant wife is at home?

That's actual action, action that Trump says he has a problem with:
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I don't think it's clear from the tape whether Trump took Nancy O'Dell to the furniture store while he was married to Melania or before that.

 
Rove! said:
The point is this

while I don't condone the tone and the way he talked about woman I think the sexual assault angle is a bridge too far.

i think most men have used non verbal cues during sexual encounters  and not explicitly asked  " may I kiss you "  "may I hold your hand" "may I feel your boobs" "may I kiss your neck"  "may I rub your thighs"  "may I grab your #####" at each step along the way.

since we don't have a long line or any woman saying stuff like " we were just chatting and out of nowhere he grabbed my #####" I have to give the benefit of the doubt that this may well describe mutually consensual activity....
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Actually there is about to be a long line and lots of video tape. This isn't a good hill to die on.

 
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BeaverCleaver said:
Sounds a lot like Bill Clinton. 
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Agreed.  As long as that's not used as a means of distraction and evading the seriousness of Trump's actions.  I have seen all too many Clinton supporters go through the same sort of mental gymnastics trying to defend him as we are seeing with Trump supporters.  They are both sexual predators, but the fact that Clinton was (is still?) one isn't a very strong defense of Trump.

 
the truth is out there...


email for John Podesta c/o Eryn re Space Treaty (attached)



From:terribillionairs@aol.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com  Date: 2015-08-18 10:30 Subject: email for John Podesta c/o Eryn re Space Treaty (attached)
Dear John, Because the War in Space race is heating up, I felt you should be aware of several factors as you and I schedule our Skype talk. Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space. The following information in italics was shared with me by my colleague Carol Rosin, who worked closely for several years with Wernher von Braun before his death. Carol and I have worked on the Treaty on the Prevention of the Placement of Weapons in Outer Space, attached for your convenience.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Piece of advice - defending Trump even well intentioned or in a rational or logical way can lead to disaster. Very likely the next release maybe this week or next will show him doing what he talked about or confessing he did so. Normal rules are off with this guy.
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Probably so...I'm not supporting or voting for him, so i don't have any attachment to it...

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
the truth is out there...


email for John Podesta c/o Eryn re Space Treaty (attached)


From:terribillionairs@aol.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com  Date: 2015-08-18 10:30 Subject: email for John Podesta c/o Eryn re Space Treaty (attached)

Dear John, Because the War in Space race is heating up, I felt you should be aware of several factors as you and I schedule our Skype talk. Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space. The following information in italics was shared with me by my colleague Carol Rosin, who worked closely for several years with Wernher von Braun before his death. Carol and I have worked on the Treaty on the Prevention of the Placement of Weapons in Outer Space, attached for your convenience.
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I saw that...now I'm wondering who this Terri Billionairs person is

there is also some stuff from an orca100 email id that sent some really racist stuff to Podesta and some people at Politico. I'm not sure who that is or why they are contacting Podesta, but it's strange...

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
the truth is out there...


email for John Podesta c/o Eryn re Space Treaty (attached)


From:terribillionairs@aol.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com  Date: 2015-08-18 10:30 Subject: email for John Podesta c/o Eryn re Space Treaty (attached)

Dear John, Because the War in Space race is heating up, I felt you should be aware of several factors as you and I schedule our Skype talk. Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space. The following information in italics was shared with me by my colleague Carol Rosin, who worked closely for several years with Wernher von Braun before his death. Carol and I have worked on the Treaty on the Prevention of the Placement of Weapons in Outer Space, attached for your convenience.
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Important information about preparing risotto in the latest leak too. Real game-changer.

 
timschochet said:
From women that I have talked to, the most offensive aspect of Trump's comments was when he bragged that as a star he could "do anything". Far too many women have had to deal with men as bosses or in positions of power taking sexual advantage. A woman may go along with it, but that doesn't make it consensual; it means she is afraid to say anything. 
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Unfortunately, the reality is that for men of Bill Clinton's and Donald Trump's age and position in politics, big business and Hollywood, the truth is that the pressure of influence, money and carer ambitions really does (did) work. They live (lived, perhaps, considering times changed right before them) in a world where women have very little recourse. I think the stories from the 70s to 90s resonate, I find it very believable they pressured women and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. It was a Mad Men existence but eventually they ran into women who would not play ball or if they did things turned sideways. I think ultimately the modern world and media made their lives very difficult.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Important information about preparing risotto in the latest leak too. Real game-changer.
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Peter Huffman is the wealth manager / broker who used to head up the Clinton Health Initiative, right?

By 2010, Hillary Clinton was entering her second year as secretary of state and the Clinton Health Access Initiative had just split off from the Clinton Foundation as part of an agreement with the Obama administration. The separation was intended to help bring "greater transparency" to the Clinton charities during her tenure at the State Department, according to a memorandum of understanding with President Obama's transition team.

That year, CHAI reported only $242,099 in “Total Government Contributions” to New York regulators, and that number included only domestic grants. But for the same time period in 2010 it told the IRS it received $26,740,319 in foreign and domestic government grants.

By not telling New York about millions in foreign government grants it received that year, CHAI avoided the state’s more stringent disclosure rules that would have required the charity to itemize publicly each domestic and foreign government donation. In a letter written in November 2014, as Clinton began eyeing a run for the White House, CHAI itemized domestic government grants but told the New York attorney general’s office it “also received foreign government contributions and can provide those in more details if needed.”
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http://www.wcpo.com/longform/exclusive-clinton-charities-ignore-law-requiring-them-to-disclose-millions-from-foreign-donors

- I'm glad they were focused on the important stuff.

 
Rove! said:
I saw that...now I'm wondering who this Terri Billionairs person is
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Terri Mansfield.

OUR MISSION


  1. We educate humans about our work with our nonviolent obedient-to-God ETI, Extraterrestrial Intelligence, from the contiguous universe whose mission is to work with our scientists to bring zero point energy here for the purpose of extending life on our fragile Earth.
  2. We fundraise with billionaires only, for carefully selected 501(c)3s who are transforming society.
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timschochet said:
When I realized that my information had been wrong about Roman Polanski, I immediately apologized for what I had posted, yet ever since some people around here have brought it up with as a means of condemnation. What to do with those who attempt to minimize Trump's comments? 
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Maybe getting rid of the underage Hillary avatar would make your apology more believable?

 
timschochet said:
Really good article on how it's unlikely that Hillary had anything to do with being an "enabler" for Bill: 

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/politics/2016/10/juanita_broaddrick_s_rape_allegations_are_credible_her_attacks_on_hillary.html
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First line:

At her penultimate debate, the first female presidential candidate faces an inquisition from a deranged playboy about her marriage to a philanderer.
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- You agree Bill is a philanderer, right?

- How's that different from a playboy?

 
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timschochet said:
Really good article on how it's unlikely that Hillary had anything to do with being an "enabler" for Bill: 

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/politics/2016/10/juanita_broaddrick_s_rape_allegations_are_credible_her_attacks_on_hillary.html
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I have no idea how much Hillary knew about Bill's affairs prior to the Gennifer Flowers story that came out in 1992 (which stemmed from a 1990 lawsuit by Larry Nichols).  By that time Bill was already in the Presidential campaign and Hillary probably believed that it was money/politics behind the accusations.  I don't think she really accepted that he had cheated on her that much until he admitted it in a grand jury and on TV in 1996.

 
cstu said:
I have no idea how much Hillary knew about Bill's affairs prior to the Gennifer Flowers story that came out in 1992 (which stemmed from a 1990 lawsuit by Larry Nichols).  By that time Bill was already in the Presidential campaign and Hillary probably believed that it was money/politics behind the accusations.  I don't think she really accepted that he had cheated on her that much until he admitted it in a grand jury and on TV in 1996.
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He had the affair for 12 years. You don't think Hillary knew?

A year after the Monica Lewinsky scandal shook the presidency, Hillary Clinton told an interviewer that Bill Clinton’s mother abused him and caused his sex addiction, an explosive new book claims.

The comments were made to Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Lucinda Franks in a 1999 interview - and Franks admits in her new memoir that she watered them down for publication.

The Daily News obtained galleys of the memoir, due out next month, in which Franks — the wife of former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau — reveals that she published only part of the interview in the piece she wrote for Tina Brown's short-lived Talk magazine and focused on the conflict between the President's mother and grandmother rather than direct abuse.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-book-hillary-clinton-blamed-bill-sex-addiction-abuse-child-article-1.1877769

- And he was likely cheating on Gennifer too. The guy got around.

- eta - This is Lucinda Franks.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Christopher Hitchens: Still The Definitive Piece Arguing Against Hillary As Enabler and Problem Causer.

- Technically, Hillary is not described as an 'Enabler' here but actually something much worse.
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I love Hitchens but he wasn't always right.  The fact that he believed Willey's story even though he lied to the FBI and Linda Tripp accused Willey of pursuing Bill is evident that he was not being clear-thinking the subject. And I've stated the questions that surround Broaddrick's accusations.

In my opinion, Gennifer Flowers was telling the truth; so was Monica Lewinsky, and so was Kathleen Willey, and so, lest we forget, was Juanita Broaddrick, the woman who says she was raped by Bill Clinton.
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
- This is a good article.
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Hmm. I thought you said you were skeptical of Broadrick.

I know she finds Broadrick credible. That's not the same as believing Broadrick. I've just never believed, myself, that Bill would actually rape somebody. Just doesn't seem to fit what I know of his character. Womanizer, yes. Sexual predator, philanderer, sure. But rape? I don't see it (the same for Trump BTW.)

But the important part is that Hillary as an enabler doesn't fit her at all- though it DOES fit the fictional Hillary character that has been created by the vast right wing...um...network for decades.

 
Hitchens was a really bright guy, a joy to read, but he was eager to present himself as a gadfly and iconoclast. His attacks against both Hillary Clinton and Mother Theresa were, I believe, attempts at self-publicity.

 
timschochet said:
Really good article on how it's unlikely that Hillary had anything to do with being an "enabler" for Bill: 

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/politics/2016/10/juanita_broaddrick_s_rape_allegations_are_credible_her_attacks_on_hillary.html
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Absurd take.  Author acknowledges she was probably raped, but speculates on Hillary's intent and tone despite Broaddrick's account?  It's quite possible that Broaddrick had told some people and word got around to Hillary.  We don't know, but to dismiss it based on a gut feel that Hillary probably didn't know is baseless.  And let's also focus on the fact that the piece acknowledges the White House will be populated by a likely rapist cum Economy Czar.

 
I hope Bill gets convicted on the Epstein related charges and has to register as a sex offender.  I'd like to see the tape of him going door to door to inform the neighbors on Pennsylvania Avenue.

 
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