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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)
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timschochet
Footballguy
Wait- i was talking about using federal agencies to try to destroy one's political enemies. What the hell are you talking about?
Context, sir- I was responding SPECIFICALLY to Dodd's absurd warning that Hillary would use the NSA to destroy her opponents. Only 2 Presidents have ever even tried that.
Context, sir- I was responding SPECIFICALLY to Dodd's absurd warning that Hillary would use the NSA to destroy her opponents. Only 2 Presidents have ever even tried that.
You greatly overestimate how easy it is to reveal to others how intellectually dishonest you are. If you're foolish enough to respond and write things like "If it didn't happen in the mainstream media, it didn't happen." while I'm bored...that's on you brother.
You have had several chances to walk back the above claim and refused. Now you want to scream context and that you didn't really mean to say that presidents who use federal agencies for their personal gain have all been caught? After re-affirming it many times today?
Exhibit #3 today on just this subject.
timschochet
Footballguy
But again the context of the discussion was using federal agencies against political opponents. I was originally responding to Dodds, when Shamrock challenged me. Sure, I should have specified that I was speaking only about using those agencies in a negative way, and not as a means to reward supporters, which every President does. But I figured that would be obvious based on my previous post. Guess not.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think you're smart enough to understand what my point is. But you seem more intent on a "gotcha", proving me wrong, rather than addressing the point. Fine you win the gotcha. I concede I should not have written that the way I did.
I'm not in the business of playing gotcha or putting words in people's mouth's (like you). You made a very naive claim, as several other posters noticed. When pressed and riduculed, you dug in defending it. You constantly do this.
This took 30 seconds
Politician Spock
Footballguy
No, no.... the truth changed when mainstream media reported it. Prior to that, it was false.
{/timsworld]
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Trey
Footballguy
Attempting to bring this thread back to just its standard level of suckery..
If Clinton wins and the Dems take the Senate two questions:
A. Resubmit garland? (I say yes.)
B. Nuclear option the filibuster for SCOTUS noms if a new pick doesn't get a timely vote? (Not sure where I land here. Against on the surface but if it drags you almost have no choice)
If Clinton wins and the Dems take the Senate two questions:
A. Resubmit garland? (I say yes.)
B. Nuclear option the filibuster for SCOTUS noms if a new pick doesn't get a timely vote? (Not sure where I land here. Against on the surface but if it drags you almost have no choice)
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Don't. Feed. The. Troll.
You guys have to get it through your heads that Tim is a troll. His "opinions" are plagiarized mush from crap he copies/pastes. He lies to suit his narrative. Yet, he's take on a persona here much like the Kardashians on ET, who are famous only for being famous. Tim fills a unique vacuous role here. He offers nothing of substance but that is his art so it becomes a topic of substance. Took me a while to see through the shenanigans, but essentially a Tim is a worthless troll living in his mom's basement (nothing wrong with that per Hillary) faking that he has other family and manufacturing talking points as bait clicks when, in fact, he's never said an original thing in his life, relying on Mook primarily but of course other Hillary surrogates because he's an unabashed HRC band wagoner.
All the too point. Tim is intellectually dishonest and doesn't care about depth of debate or conversation. He is compelled by one agenda, get the pro-Hillary folks riled up. He's a failure here because no in other than squiz likes him. He has no real following, though he might go down a list of folks who have liked him in the past and therefore are "partners," it's all sad, really, Tim. A mental midget struggling to play in a big brain'S world
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timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I have never used my family to troll. I don't troll anyhow, but your implication is offensive to me.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
TIm is not a troll.
He's an attention whore.
He's an attention whore.
David Dodds
Administrator
Weapons for Campaign Contributions. One has to get elected somehow.
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
timschochet
Footballguy
It's a fascinating question. I don't think Obama has to resubmit Garland; the Senate can decide to accept him. But Hillary may well want her own person. It probably depends on how much they win the Senate by.
David Dodds
Administrator
Hillary's Calendars while Secretary of the State
http://thememoryhole2.org/blog/sec-clinton-schedules
More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money — either personally or through companies or groups — to the Clinton Foundation. It's an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president.
At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.
http://thememoryhole2.org/blog/sec-clinton-schedules
More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money — either personally or through companies or groups — to the Clinton Foundation. It's an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president.
At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.
David Dodds
Administrator
WikiLeaks email has Soros saying he wants Wallace Jefferson, Chief Justice in Texas. He is likely the favorite. Quid Pro Quo and all
or at least this is who Soros wanted less than 24 hours after Scalia's death.
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David Dodds
Administrator
on the internet, but rings true:
If Hillary's speeches cost $250K an hour, how come no one attends the free ones?
If Hillary's speeches cost $250K an hour, how come no one attends the free ones?
David Dodds
Administrator
They are actually a real journalistic source. They do investigative journalism. Sadly, we have little of that going on in the States right now
Hillary Clinton is a secret sex freak who paid fixers to set up illicit romps with both men AND women!
That’s the blockbuster revelation from a former Clinton family operative who is sensationally breaking ranks with his one-time bosses to speak to The National ENQUIRER in a bombshell 9-page cover story — on newsstands Wednesday.
“I arranged a meeting for Hillary and a woman in an exclusive Beverly Hills hotel,” the man, who was hired by the Clintons,via a Hollywood executive, to cover up their scandals, told The ENQUIRER.
PHOTOS: Revenge! Donald Trump Fighting Back Against Hillary Clinton’s Smear Campaign
“She had come to the studio to see the filming of a movie in 1994.”
“While I was there, I helped her slip out of a back exit for a one-on-one session with the other woman. It was made to look casual, leaving quietly [rather] that being caught up in the melee … but really it was for something presumably more sordid.”
What’s more, it wasn’t just Hillary’s flings with women that the shadowy Mr. Fix It helped to orchestrate!
PHOTOS: Hillary’s Lies EXPOSED! Clinton’s Top 5 Debate Whoppers
Hillary’s former bagman finally confessed to The ENQUIRER just how he helped her to cover up her affair with married lover Vince Foster, too!
The shadowy figure — who provided PROOF of his employment for the Clintons — also revealed 12 fixes he covered-up, including:
+ How Hillary secretly plotted to a counter-attack on Bill’s mistress Monica Lewinsky — via a document buried for two decades!
PHOTOS: Leaked Emails Detail Hillary Clinton’s Desperate Health Crisis Cover-Ups
+ What crooked reporters were on the take from the Clinton camp!
+ How he covered up Bill’s seedy romp with hookers!
+ Which A-list celebrity had a secret affair with Bill during his presidency!
PHOTOS: Crooked Hillary’s Lies EXPOSED! Clinton’s 13 Most Infamous Scandals — So Far
In the bombshell exposé, The ENQUIRER will reveal the fixer’s dossier of smoking gun proof, including 24-years of documents, notes, and journals.
That’s the blockbuster revelation from a former Clinton family operative who is sensationally breaking ranks with his one-time bosses to speak to The National ENQUIRER in a bombshell 9-page cover story — on newsstands Wednesday.
“I arranged a meeting for Hillary and a woman in an exclusive Beverly Hills hotel,” the man, who was hired by the Clintons,via a Hollywood executive, to cover up their scandals, told The ENQUIRER.
PHOTOS: Revenge! Donald Trump Fighting Back Against Hillary Clinton’s Smear Campaign
“She had come to the studio to see the filming of a movie in 1994.”
“While I was there, I helped her slip out of a back exit for a one-on-one session with the other woman. It was made to look casual, leaving quietly [rather] that being caught up in the melee … but really it was for something presumably more sordid.”
What’s more, it wasn’t just Hillary’s flings with women that the shadowy Mr. Fix It helped to orchestrate!
PHOTOS: Hillary’s Lies EXPOSED! Clinton’s Top 5 Debate Whoppers
Hillary’s former bagman finally confessed to The ENQUIRER just how he helped her to cover up her affair with married lover Vince Foster, too!
The shadowy figure — who provided PROOF of his employment for the Clintons — also revealed 12 fixes he covered-up, including:
+ How Hillary secretly plotted to a counter-attack on Bill’s mistress Monica Lewinsky — via a document buried for two decades!
PHOTOS: Leaked Emails Detail Hillary Clinton’s Desperate Health Crisis Cover-Ups
+ What crooked reporters were on the take from the Clinton camp!
+ How he covered up Bill’s seedy romp with hookers!
+ Which A-list celebrity had a secret affair with Bill during his presidency!
PHOTOS: Crooked Hillary’s Lies EXPOSED! Clinton’s 13 Most Infamous Scandals — So Far
In the bombshell exposé, The ENQUIRER will reveal the fixer’s dossier of smoking gun proof, including 24-years of documents, notes, and journals.
David Dodds
Administrator
Not sure what to make of the Enquirer Story. They have a pretty good track record on some of these things, but Hillary as a Sex Machine isn't very believable.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm kind of confused David. I mean, you've stated you weren't going to vote for either Hillary or Trump. Yet....you've become very active lately peddling the infowars anti-Hillary stuff, while ignoring the much more obvious and generally (IMO) more frightening Trump stuff.
I believe this aspect of what you've posted, and I hate it. I hate big money in politics. There's a reason I voted Sanders. But...and this is a HUGE BUT...I don't think this is particularly unique to Clinton. If this disqualifies her, then it disqualifies 90% of the politicians out there. Given the binary situation in play at the moment, it's fairly meaningless, because Trump is disqualified for reasons far beyond the norm for politicians.
What is you intent? What s your preferred answer RIGHT NOW? The choices are Trump...or CLinton. Or a protest vote to a third party that can't win. But if you're going protest, then level your charges and theories evenly, and be honest about them. If your argument is against big money in politics and the obvious issues that brings, then let's discuss how to fix them. Personally, I think it will take some very like Sanders to make that happen, but Sanders has lost, and there's nobody to turn to RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT.
SO what's the point complaining right now? Some of your stuff is true IMO, but the parts that are true aren't compelling. Other parts are simple conspiratorial BS. But either way, they aren't solving anything.
David Dodds
Administrator
The choices are to educate the masses that neither of these people are the right choices.
We need to be demanding our media, DOJ, FBI, etc all investigate these high-crimes of selling out our country for profit won't be tolerated. The coverups / media/DOJ collusion should bother everyone. I don't post in the Trump thread, because everyone can see he is an idiot of the highest magnitude. It's not even a debate. He's an idiot.
But Hillary is someone that scares me a lot more than Donald Trump. Because she isn't dumb at all. She knows the system and she knows it well. She will be able to write executive orders out of the gate. She can do even bigger quid pro quo deals than the records she just set as Secretary of State (More arms, more Uranium all exiting the US to end up where?). Add that to her open borders / open trade and cozy relationship with Wall Street and I am solidly opposed to having her anywhere near the Presidency. She has shown her hand numerous times regarding surveillance of all US citizens. She feels it's the government's right and need to have that info. And that scares me. She should scare anyone paying attention.
We need to be demanding our media, DOJ, FBI, etc all investigate these high-crimes of selling out our country for profit won't be tolerated. The coverups / media/DOJ collusion should bother everyone. I don't post in the Trump thread, because everyone can see he is an idiot of the highest magnitude. It's not even a debate. He's an idiot.
But Hillary is someone that scares me a lot more than Donald Trump. Because she isn't dumb at all. She knows the system and she knows it well. She will be able to write executive orders out of the gate. She can do even bigger quid pro quo deals than the records she just set as Secretary of State (More arms, more Uranium all exiting the US to end up where?). Add that to her open borders / open trade and cozy relationship with Wall Street and I am solidly opposed to having her anywhere near the Presidency. She has shown her hand numerous times regarding surveillance of all US citizens. She feels it's the government's right and need to have that info. And that scares me. She should scare anyone paying attention.
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See, here's the thing....I don't for one minute believe she's any worse re. these things than most of our President's have been. But she's certainly been more heavily scrutinized by a partisan right than any other politician has EVER been. And with all of that scrutiny, the best they've found (proven) is no worse than what has been normal in politics forever. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about and try to change that...just sayng it isn't new or unique to CLinton
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[scooter]
Footballguy
By merely calling Trump an "idiot", you are legitimizing Trump's own corruption and criminal behavior.
David Dodds
Administrator
I just gave a link where she sold twice as many arms during the same time as the last Secretary of State. The Podesta Group was the lobbying firm to broker the Uranium deal. He was lobbying HRC. She ended up with cash, John got his cut and Russia got 20% of the Uranium. Please do show me how this is exactly the same it has always been. It isn't. Because the media generally watchdogs this stuff. There is usually a system of checks/balances going on in this country that you can't get away with such high-crimes. I handled Secret docs in my time running the Standard and Tomahawk Missile Systems for the Navy. Had I taken that info home or used private email, I would be in jail. It's not a hypothetical. It is a crime of the highest magnitude for good reason. The emails show a willingness from her staff to completely disregard all these laws. That has to be investigated. Not by an organization told to overlook the charges, but a real investigation. Multiple people should be in prison.
But Trump is so despised, that everyone just wants these stories to go away so we can get the better of the two evils. I stand with the hackers, but it's not to get Trump elected. We all lose there as well. I want to expose Clinton's schemes, the complicit government, and how a large percentage of the media is a propaganda arm for the HRC campaign. For me it's disgusting at the highest magnitudes.
We've discussed the uranium deal ad nauseum...that wasn't on Hillary, and isn't remotely the issue it's been made out to be.
And the emails? 33000 emails...12 was it? that were classified? The secretary of state had 12 emails on her server out of 33000 that shouldn't have been? I handled classified and NOFORN material all the time as NUC in the Navy...so what?
It's a red herring, and it's been propagated, investigated, and shoved down our throats by a partisan right. It's not worthy of prison time, it's barely worthy of a minor censure.
FBGs has actually fixed the search function; you should have let this "implication" slide:
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/721079-official-hillary-clinton-2016-thread/?do=findComment&comment=18295221
David Dodds
Administrator
You do realize her team screened all the emails and deleted all the bad ones, right? The emails talk about all of this including first separating all the POTUS ones and then deleting them too. The hackers say they have these deleted emails. We will know soon enough. If they surface, I bet you we find a lot more laws being broken. I remember the number way higher than 12, but maybe you are correct there. And I remember them also containing Top Secret emails. Secret emails that I touched talked to world-wide inventory of Tomahawk missiles and variants (including bad warheads) and where they were, when they would be shipped, etc. That was a SECRET email. You know what Top-Secret is. Things way worse than that. If ONE of those was found on a private server, someone should be in jail. It's not debatable. It's why Snowden is wanted for high-crimes against the US. It's exactly the charge that gets levied when someone brings this kind of stuff home.
You and I disagree wildly on the Uranium deal. The WikiLeaks emails definitely paint the picture quite clearly. We can agree to disagree.
I also think if she does not do these Quid Pro Quo deals to get all the illegal campaign money, she likely loses to Bernie Sanders. She had no small donation campaign strategy at all. It's essentially what did her in against the popular Obama.
I am cool with everyone voting their conscience. That's what makes this country great. If you like Hillary, support her strongly. That's cool. I am not in that camp. I hate everything she stands for (well I am not sure what she stands for as her public policy is quite a bit different than what the emails and paid speeches to Wall Street uncovered. I am making the assumption that her paid speeches are her real positions.). I see her as a shill for big business, a war hawk, and a person who is always on the take. I don't think she connects with America well and I feel she is in politics for her financial gain only. But hey she is going to win in a landslide. So what do I know.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
She is going to win in a landslide with only 40% favorable approval ratings. She will win--and win big--with a substantial portion of the electorate holding their noses when they punch her name on the ballots. If it had been anyone but trump, she would have lost in a landslide.
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TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I don't get the "12 was it..so what" defense. Its worse than the Chewbacca defense. Whether it was one or one million, she got off easy. Regular people go to prison for less.
David Dodds
Administrator
Here is a great Reddit thread with back links to catch you up on the Clintons' scandal past:
https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/57gc7x/the_criminal_clinton_conspiracy_guns_drugs_and/
https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/57gc7x/the_criminal_clinton_conspiracy_guns_drugs_and/
Handling classified information is not the issue. It is the mishandling. I have been involved in situations where there were issues involving breeches and in these cases even with just sensitive and confidential (Hillary had some TS stuff) information, it was a big deal and hundreds of thousands were spent investigating and cleaning up the mess. Yeah, just a bunch of right wing politics.
The Commish
Footballguy
We can also rest a very large amount of Trump's success at the feet of your beloved mainstream media.....might want to let that sink in and think about it a little bit.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Not only that, he has admitted to trolling his family about politics before, although he will deny it and then ask me to sift through his 4 million posts to find it, but he knows he did it.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Damn double post. 
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Just another reason to not buy a subscription.renesauz said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Great long, thoughtful piece about Hillary. Critical at times, but fair:
https://newrepublic.com/article/137057/hillarys-president
https://newrepublic.com/article/137057/hillarys-president
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