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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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Henry Ford said:
I've discussed this over and over again, but because the President is primarily a figurehead whose election legitimizes the concerns and viewpoints of the voters who put him/her into office. 
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yeah... but what percentage of the populace is either an arsonist or a skinhead? .001%? Is this really a legit concern or just a cheap way to associate the other side with a despicable group?

 
sublimeone said:
yeah... but what percentage of the populace is either an arsonist or a skinhead? .001%? Is this really a legit concern or just a cheap way to associate the other side with a despicable group?
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Estimates are that 1 in 2500-5000 and rising is a member of an actual hate group, though of course there are a lot of dip####s who feel that way but aren't part of an official organization.  I'd say 100,000 organized militant racists would be a bit of a concern.

 
Henry Ford said:
Estimates are that 1 in 2500-5000 and rising is a member of an actual hate group, though of course there are a lot of dip####s who feel that way but aren't part of an official organization.  I'd say 100,000 organized militant racists would be a bit of a concern.
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:thumbup:  Cool, keep doing what you think is right Henry. What's your source on these numbers?

 
Just want everyone to know whatever happens in this election, I love you all.  It's likely a ####show no matter who wins.  Stay safe election night and hopefully it all goes the way you hoped.

 
sublimeone said:
:thumbup:  Cool, keep doing what you think is right Henry. What's your source on these numbers?
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Unfortunately, almost all roads lead to Rome.  Wherever you get numbers from in this category, the Southern Poverty Law Center is almost always where they come from because it does the majority of tracking of hate groups in this country.

 
Politician Spock said:
They love anyone who's not a globalist.
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I work with a couple of older (fifty-something) Russian, white-collar professionals.  Both are sharp guys, and, yes, both support Trump.

The Globalist vs. Nationalist is certainly a factor for their political bend, but two other factors come into play:

First, Russians like a strongman leader.  It's in their cultural DNA from the czars, through Stalin, up into the present high support for Putin.  Trump fits the bill.

Second, (and I know this from talking with them) they see in today's Democrat Party some of the views, tactics, and media propaganda that reminds them of the Soviets they grew up under and did not like.  

 
jonessed said:
I don't know.  The KKK has endorsed presidential candidates for over 100 years.
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In their heyday they were doing their dirty work for the dems but you won't see that taught too much today...the good news is the KKK vote and the Radical Islam cancel each other out so neither group of jackasses will make a difference...

 
Henry Ford said:
Unfortunately, almost all roads lead to Rome.  Wherever you get numbers from in this category, the Southern Poverty Law Center is almost always where they come from because it does the majority of tracking of hate groups in this country.
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Do you have a link?

 
psychobillies said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that maybe, just maybe the reason that the Klan, Neo Nazi's and such are supporting Trump is because they have been told since day one by everyone in the Clinton campaign and many many others that Trump is the biggest racist and xenophobe since Hitler.  Maybe even worse.  

I don't think that those guys are all that smart or intellectually ambitious, so maybe they haven't bothered to check and see what Trump has actually said about all of that stuff.
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Pretty sure this is all wrong.

 
David Dodds said:
Just want everyone to know whatever happens in this election, I love you all.  It's likely a ####show no matter who wins.  Stay safe election night and hopefully it all goes the way you hoped.
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Right back at you wacko (as long as I make the playoffs).

 
Workhorse said:
Which is more likely:  An unhinged Trump supporter in the deep south, a part of the country where ignorant racists have historically burned churches to intimidate African-Americans for decades, feels empowered to burn a church by a candidate who has used racist buzzwords during his Presidential campaign. 

Or:

Hillary Clinton, who has engaged in some shady dealings in DC with her emails and coziness with all sorts of insiders, plants a false flag and has a supporter burn a church in the middle of nowhere Mississippi to try to compel African-Americans to go the polls.

The former fits into patterns of behavior for many generations in that part of the country. The latter exists at the fringes of political "thought" and wouldn't be credible as part of a movie.
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1) So our ONLY possible options are unhinged trump supporter, or top-down conspiracy with orders straight from the top of DEM party? 

2) We're assuming that this sort of story would only impact headlines and voting results locally? 

3) We're ignoring the recent evidence of ongoing coordinated Democratic "street teams" groups actively attempting to manipulate news headlinesby engaging in unsavory behavior?

Just making sure we're dancing to the same drummer before I answer. I'll hang up and listen :popcorn:

 
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Ugh, Nancy Pelosi is not doing Hillary any favors by appearing anywhere (CNN interview  guess?).  Really don't like her. At freakin' all.  

Anyhoo. 

 
Another chance for mischief 

Kadzik giving Podesta a heads up on testimony about upcoming testimony on State Department emails.  Not terribly interesting by itself - but rather than send it via his work email, where it would be captured as a work record, Kadzik sent it via his gmail account to keep it off the record...

 
NCCommish said:
Mr. James Comey

FBI Director

November 2, 2016

I am the 15-year-old (now 16) who was the victim of Anthony Weiner. I now add you to the list of people who have victimized me. I told my story originally to protect other young girls that might be a victim of online predators.

Your letter to Congress has now brought this whole matter back into the media spotlight. Not even 10 minutes after being forensically interviewed with the FBI for seven hours, I received a phone call from a REPORTER asking for a statement. Why didn’t you communicate with the local FBI agents that I had just spoken to? They could have scheduled our interview sooner or scheduled a time to interview me later, or change locations of the interview. My neighborhood has been canvassed by reporters asking for details about me.

In your letter, you chose to use a vague approach, meaning the media had to keep searching to try and find out what evidence you had uncovered and how. Every media outlet from local to national has contacted me and my family to get my “story.” Why couldn’t your letter have waited until after the election, so I would not have to be the center of attention the last week of the election cycle?

In his “cooperation” with you and with his love of the spotlight, Anthony Weiner has given information that led to the media finding me. You have assisted him in further victimizing me on every news outlet. I can only assume that you saw an opportunity for political propaganda.

I thought your job as FBI Director was to protect me. I thought if I cooperated with your investigation, my identity as a minor would be kept secret. That is no longer the case. My family and I are barraged by reporters’ phone calls and emails. I have been even been blamed in a newspaper for causing Donald Trump to now be leading in some polls and costing Hillary the election.

Anthony Weiner is the abuser. Your letter helped that abuse to continue. How can I rebuild my life when you have made finding out my “story” the goal of every reporter? When I meet with my therapist next time, she will already know what we are going to talk about before I get there by reading Friday, October 28th, 2016’s New York Times article.

I may have been Weiner’s victim, but the real story here is that I am a survivor. I am strong, intelligent, and certain that I will come out from under this nightmare, but it will not be as a result of your doing your job to protect me. I hope that by making my letter to you public, you will think about how your actions affect the victims of the crimes you are investigating. The election is important, yes, but what happened to me and how it makes me feel and how others see me, is much more important. It’s time that the FBI Director puts his victims’ rights above political views.

— Girl that lost her faith in America

P.S. To all reporters: AP, FOX, CBS, NBC, and all other media outlets, please respect my position and stop interrupting my life!
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Reporters are scum.  They should know better than to troll a minor who they should have no information on at all.  

 
Dodds:

That's fair. But why are people assuming it's from a Trump Supporter. Someone burned up a church and spray-painted a Trump slogan. Two pretty even scenarios:

- Clinton's team trying to turn the tide on bad news

- A Trump supporter did this

As I type this, I think it's likely 80/20 being the Clinton support as the same media groups that have shown to be in HRCs pocket all trolled the story out as their lead.
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But you are ignoring the equally-likely scenario that the whole thing was actually orchestrated by the Trump campaign to make people think it was actually done by Clinton supporters, thereby creating sympathy towards Trump.

I think it's likely 80/30/40 that Trump was behind this.

 
HFS :lmao:   
 

They don't know that we know that they know that we know that they know that we know that they know that we know that they know!!!!!!

 
sublimeone said:
Do you have a link?
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I have physical books and articles for the most part.  Here are a few links I have at hand:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/feb/24/martinkettle (1999, over 100,000 members of 391 organizations, 362 of which were white supremacy organizations, 29 were black separatists)

https://thinkprogress.org/the-vast-hidden-community-of-racial-hatred-in-america-311cfb33ec8a#.wvkkn5rz4 (stormfront.org alone has 300,000 members)

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/year-hate-and-extremism-0 (2014 year in hate - noting 784 active hate groups in the U.S.broken down by type.  Worth noting that the Klan more than doubled its number of chapters the next year, I believe)

http://www.civilrights.org/assets/pdfs/WI-hate-crime-report.pdf (8 in 100,000 African Americans, 12 in 100,000 Muslims, 15 in 100,000 Jews, and 13 in 100,000 gays report being the victim of a hate crime)

https://www.splcenter.org/20100216/ten-ways-fight-hate-community-response-guide (The SPLC estimates that fewer than 5 percent of hate crimes can be linked to members of hate groups)

http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/99-total-population-by-child-and-adult#detailed/1/any/false/573,10/39,40,41/416,417 (U.S. Population in 1999 was 207million adults.  100,000/207m was 1 out of every 2070 adults).

 
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1) So our ONLY possible options are unhinged trump supporter, or top-down conspiracy with orders straight from the top of DEM party? 

2) We're assuming that this sort of story would only impact headlines and voting results locally? 

3) We're ignoring the recent evidence of ongoing coordinated Democratic "street teams" groups actively attempting to manipulate news headlinesby engaging in unsavory behavior?

Just making sure we're dancing to the same drummer before I answer. I'll hang up and listen :popcorn:
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Have you ever been to Greenville, MS?  

 
Hillary Clinton Economic Team Planned Secret Meeting With Wall Street Mogul Pushing To Shift Retiree Savings To Financial Firms

Days before publicly promoting a plan that could funnel billions of dollars of retiree assets to Wall Street, the president of one of the world’s largest financial firms was organizing a private meeting with Hillary Clinton’s economic team. A hacked email detailing the meeting between Blackstone President Tony James — a top Clinton fundraiser — and Clinton’s economic advisers was released by Wikileaks on Wednesday.

On January 1, 2016, James published a New York Times op-ed promoting his plan to enact a new 3 percent payroll tax that would raise hundreds of billions of dollars to fund guaranteed retirement accounts. As International Business Times reported last month, James’ firm is a major private equity and hedge fund player, and his plan promoted the fact that the money could be invested in those kind of alternative investments.

Wikileaks emails now show that three days before that op-ed was published, a Blackstone official contacted Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, letting him know that James was convening a meeting at his apartment to discuss economic policy with Clinton’s top aides. The meeting was to be hosted by James and former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, who is now the president of the private equity giant Warburg Pincus.

 
Have things settled down with today's polling. 

Firewall is in tact. And I expect Florida and north Carolina in her column in the end as well. 

Even better news is McGinty looking stronger against Toomey in PA.

 
Workhorse said:
Which is more likely:  An unhinged Trump supporter in the deep south, a part of the country where ignorant racists have historically burned churches to intimidate African-Americans for decades, feels empowered to burn a church by a candidate who has used racist buzzwords during his Presidential campaign. 

Or:

Hillary Clinton, who has engaged in some shady dealings in DC with her emails and coziness with all sorts of insiders, plants a false flag and has a supporter burn a church in the middle of nowhere Mississippi to try to compel African-Americans to go the polls.

The former fits into patterns of behavior for many generations in that part of the country. The latter exists at the fringes of political "thought" and wouldn't be credible as part of a movie.
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It doesn't have to be either the white, Southern racist stereotype nor a Clinton false flag.  It could potentially be someone who wanted to make it look like a Trump supporter vandalized and burnt the church, but that person acted independently without any connection to Clinton whatsoever.  There have been numerous instances of people performing alleged hate crimes in an attempt to make it look like their political or cultural opponent did it.  Rachel Dolezal did that, and we see it on college campuses.

And if we're going on the most recent history of black church burnings prior to this one, the arsonist wasn't the ol' white racist:

Plot Twist: Black Man Arrested For Burning Down Black Churches

October 31, 2015

Last week, we reported that someone was running around and setting fire to a number of Black churches all around Ferguson, Missouri, the site of Michael Brown’s murder at the hands of the police.

Given the city’s racial tension following last year’s unrest, authorities weren’t ruling out the possibility that a racist was behind the church burnings. But as it turns out, the arsonist may have been a Black man.

Via The Atlantic:

St. Louis-area police have arrested David Lopez Jackson, a 35-year-old black man, in connection with the burning of churches around the area. Jennings has been charged with two counts of second-degree arson.

There have been seven fires in St. Louis and nearby Jennings over the course of October. The arsons struck a range of denominations, but mostly black churches. A sixth church was racially mixed, while the seventh was predominantly white. The fires ran the gamut from minimal to serious damage.

Because of the long history of arson attacks on black churches—including several this summer and a long spree in the mid-1990s—and because of the tense race relations in St. Louis since the death of Michael Brown in August 2014, the fires immediately raised the specter of hate crimes.

Indeed, the suspect arrested Thursday is black, and authorities didn’t offer any indication about a motive during a news conference Friday afternoon. Police have only charged Jackson with fires at the New Life Missionary Baptist Church and Ebenezer Lutheran, but they said he’s a suspect in the others. His car was spotted near the New Life, and forensic evidence tied him to Ebenezer; there were also gas containers in his car, police said. All seven fires were similar in type and location, generally around doors.

Plot twist like a mofo! Will be interesting to hear his reasoning for burning down Black churches and adding fuel to to the city’s racial tension.

 
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