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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)

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Cjw_55106 said:
Its too bad they let white people vote....oh, and you are ####### nuts. Im talking bat#### crazy. 
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Timmy loves throwing around a blanket charge of racism.   Makes him sleep better at night knowing he is the MORAL authority on the subject and cares for minorities more than we do. 

 
BeaverCleaver said:
I am just glad my critical thinking isn't like yours. 
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Hi BeaverCleaver.  I found this line funny.  I would have post a smilie to convey the same message

 
renesauz said:
Exactly which part was funny? I'm speaking as somebody who's entire job revolved around NOFRON and Confidential materials.

(FWIW, most confidential material is a joke too, but at least the strict handling rules apply to it. The handling rules for NOFORN are very lax...for a very good reason)
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"It doesn't belong on this list, making the already tiny number out of 33000 even more tiny".  It doesn't matter if it's 1 or a million.  

 
timschochet said:
I know I'm going to make no friends here by writing this but- can't Wall Street's interests be synonymous with the best outcome for the public? I would argue that oftentimes it is. This demonization of Wall Street and the corporate world by both parties gets awfully tiresome. 
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of course it can & sometimes has.

 
renesauz said:
Bass, I was once a nuclear operator in the Navy. Virtually EVERYTHING related to my job was classified as NOFORN. If you could see this stuff, you'd realize that THAT particular classification really is a joke. Further, it WAS allowed to take NOFORN materials home. The requirement was to not share the info with foreigners, but it was (technically) legal to discuss it with Americans.

Now....a SOS who even remotely discusses ANYTHING work related in any email would be at a very high risk for discussing NOFORN materials. I GUARANTEE that had ANY SOS private server been scrutinized in the past as hers is now, they would find dozens or hundreds of emails containing NOFORN.

IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE DISCUSSION.
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I was replying to that point.  I was replying to you downplaying the remaining e-mails, especially when she shouldn't have been conducting business on her personal server in the first place.

 
timschochet said:
I know I'm going to make no friends here by writing this but- can't Wall Street's interests be synonymous with the best outcome for the public? I would argue that oftentimes it is. This demonization of Wall Street and the corporate world by both parties gets awfully tiresome. 
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If Wall Street's best interests are synonymous with the public's best interests then why did Clinton have a private position she shared with her Wall Street donors and a differing position for the public?  Why wouldn't Clinton just articulate the same position to both parties if those parties share the same interests?

 
timschochet said:
I know I'm going to make no friends here by writing this but- can't Wall Street's interests be synonymous with the best outcome for the public? I would argue that oftentimes it is. This demonization of Wall Street and the corporate world by both parties gets awfully tiresome. 
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the mental gymnastics you've gone through these past couple days have been amazing to watch

 
timschochet said:
I know I'm going to make no friends here by writing this but- can't Wall Street's interests be synonymous with the best outcome for the public? I would argue that oftentimes it is. This demonization of Wall Street and the corporate world by both parties gets awfully tiresome. 
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Tim, this is what Hillary is accused of. Your opposition to CU makes extra zero sense when you say Wall Street and corporations are constituents.

And you're right that Hillary believes this, she should make the argument, tell people what she believes, argue that it's the right thing, and let the chips fall where they may. Good politicians convince people that their course is right and best.

 
renesauz said:
Not to trivialize, but NOFORN is almost a joke. IN fact, it's perfectly legal to take NOFORN materials home. Most NOFORN info is widely available on the internet. It doesn't belong on this list, making the already tiny number out of 33000 even more tiny, like Donald's hands
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How about the 8 top secret ones? 

 
David Dodds said:
According to 538, Florida just flipped.  North Carolina looks like it's about to go to Trump too.  Race is tightening.
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:pickle: But wait... I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. There's no way Florida flipped. Next you're going to tell me Ohio is leaning Trump, but that's just crazy talk.

 
cstu said:
The Commish said:
IN before the predictable "It was a meeting with Clinton's top aides, not Clinton herself...nothing to see here"  
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Doesn't matter whether it's her or an aide.  When she proposes privatizing social security that will be a story.

From her website:

Social Security isn’t just a program—it’s a promise. As president, Hillary will:


  • Defend Social Security against Republican attacks. Republicans are using scare tactics about the future and effectiveness of Social Security to push through policies that would jeopardize it. The real threat is Republican attempts to undermine the bedrock of the system. Hillary believes that Social Security must remain what it has always been: a rock-solid benefit that seniors can always count on—not subject to the budget whims of Congress or to the fluctuations of the stock market. She fought Republican efforts to undermine Social Security when she was a senator and throughout her career, and she will fight them as president. As president, she would:


    Fight any attempts to gamble seniors’ retirement security on the stock market through privatization.
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Social security really wasn't what I was talking about....we'll see who's appointed to what once she's in office.

 
renesauz said:
Not to trivialize, but NOFORN is almost a joke. IN fact, it's perfectly legal to take NOFORN materials home. Most NOFORN info is widely available on the internet. It doesn't belong on this list, making the already tiny number out of 33000 even more tiny, like Donald's hands
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NOFORN is a caveat and I don't think its a joke.  Curious what makes you say this?  Its Legal to take NOFORN home if its SBU//NOFORN, but I have yet to actually ever see a document classified as such. 

 
renesauz said:
Bass, I was once a nuclear operator in the Navy. Virtually EVERYTHING related to my job was classified as NOFORN. If you could see this stuff, you'd realize that THAT particular classification really is a joke. Further, it WAS allowed to take NOFORN materials home. The requirement was to not share the info with foreigners, but it was (technically) legal to discuss it with Americans.
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If you had a document which albeit unmarked you knew from the content was NOFORN, attached it your private yahoo account, emailed it to yourself from your work station, and then emailed it back to your superior officer for his comment, what do you think the consequence would have been?

What would the result have been if it was SECRET/NOFORN?

I'm not saying this like I know the answer, just curious.

 
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renesauz said:
Bass, I was once a nuclear operator in the Navy. Virtually EVERYTHING related to my job was classified as NOFORN. If you could see this stuff, you'd realize that THAT particular classification really is a joke. Further, it WAS allowed to take NOFORN materials home. The requirement was to not share the info with foreigners, but it was (technically) legal to discuss it with Americans.

Now....a SOS who even remotely discusses ANYTHING work related in any email would be at a very high risk for discussing NOFORN materials. I GUARANTEE that had ANY SOS private server been scrutinized in the past as hers is now, they would find dozens or hundreds of emails containing NOFORN.

IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE DISCUSSION.
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Renesauz, Thanks for the explanation.  I responded to previous post of yours without getting caught up in the thread.  I too served in the navy as an Intelligence Analyst and current continue work within the community.  I'll just say that NOFORN isn't taken lightly in the Intel community.  We work with Brits and Aussies all the time.  These guys go on target with us and we still kick them out of the room for NOFORN portions.  So to say it doesn't mean anything just isn't a correct statement to the intelligence community. 

Grand scheme of things, the info might not be that big of a deal, but we still have adhere to the classification guidelines. 

 
David Dodds said:
According to 538, Florida just flipped.  North Carolina looks like it's about to go to Trump too.  Race is tightening.
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Or maybe not.  

Other events, however, have not had any detectable impact on voting intentions. We did not see any shifts after the release of the “Access Hollywood” recording, the second or third presidential debates, or the reopening of the FBI investigation into Clinton’s emails. When the same people were reinterviewed, almost all said they were supporting the same candidate they had told us they backed in prior interviews. The small number who did change their voting intentions shifted about evenly toward Clinton and Trump so the net real change was close to zero.

Although we didn’t find much vote switching, we did notice a different type of change: the willingness of Clinton and Trump supporters to participate in our polls varied by a significant amount depending upon what was happening at the time of the poll: When things are going badly for a candidate, their supporters tend to stop participating in polls. For example, after the release of the “Access Hollywood” recording, Trump supporters were 4 percent less likely than Clinton supporters to participate in our poll. The same phenomenon occurred last weekend for Clinton supporters after the announcement of the FBI investigation: Clinton supporters responded at a 3 percent lower rate than Trump supporters (who could finally take a survey about a subject they liked).
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I saw something like this article awhile back and it makes a metric ton of sense -- people don't change their minds very much (how many people do you know that have changed their minds?), but they do change their willingness to participate in polls.

538, which follows the polls religiously, has had wild swings all cycle, but Real Clear Politics and the Princeton Consortium have barely budged for some time.  Not sure who's right on this one, but the question of how you separate actual movement from sampling noise is pretty interesting.

 
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David Dodds said:
According to 538, Florida just flipped.  North Carolina looks like it's about to go to Trump too.  Race is tightening.
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The red will show up in FL.  If Rick Scott, the most hated Republican governor in the history of the state could get re-elected, then I don't see how we let Hillary win.  Tons of Trump support down here.

 
REDACTED stated that he performed a search across the email data for the words "Secret"and “NOFORN” using a search called "Perceptive Search" and that the search returned fifty documents of interest.   

REDACTED believed that most of the search hits appeared within the metadata of Microsoft Word documents, which he identified as "Call Sheets," or documents provided to the Secretary of State prior to attending briefings with foreign dignitaries. REDACTED believed the search hits appeared within the metadata of the documents and not within the actual content of the documents. The identified documents were sent as attachments to emails. REDACTED could not remember if there were also search hits within any email messages.REDACTED believed that the documents may have been generated from a classified system and that at some point they may have been moved to an unclassified system.
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REDACTED believes STATE has an agenda which involves minimizing the classified nature of the CLINTON emails in order to protect STATE interests and those of CLINTON, Since the above incidents, REDACTED HAS received approximately 8 or 9 more emails from STATE involving FBI equities, 1 of which he believes may be classified SECRETI/NOFORN.
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- Hillary & her staff were typing classified (including S+) info into unclassified emails.

- And in Abedin's case she was emailing this to her home and printing it out, possibly because of technical difficulties but also possibly because she knew she could not do it where it would be seen by those who would care.

 
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BassNBrew said:
I was replying to that point.  I was replying to you downplaying the remaining e-mails, especially when she shouldn't have been conducting business on her personal server in the first place.
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That's part of the problem though...if she WAS routinely conducting business using that server, there would be thousands of classified documents, not a dozen or so. If the server was, as she has routinely stated, personal, it would be very easy for a SOS to accidentally include a line or two of info that contained something "classified". For example, an email to a friend concerning another friends wedding might contain 100 lines of text, but one vague reference to a meeting with an ambassador from Zimbabwe might be classified because the meeting was classified. It's not a work email, but was technically classified because of the reference.

I'm NOT saying that all of these emails are like that, but I AM saying that considering her position it would be shocking if she HAD managed to avoid ALL classified info on her server over the course of several years. For them to have dug that hard and that deep to come up with so few emails, AND THEN NOTE THAT 2/3 OF THOSE WERE MERELY NOFORN anyway, points to the ridiculousness of the whole thing...a partisan attack lacking real substance.

I'm not giving her a pass here, merely trying to put it in perspective. It's almost impossible to accurately judge how egregious her errors are here without reading the actual emails. But we do know the FBI read them, and we know that Comey is not her friend...and yet he declined to prosecute or recommend such despite a partisan congress practically begging for him to do so. When this mistake is compared against Trump's brushes with the law, it's decidedly one-sided. For all the complaints about a biased media, this is overhwelming evidence to the contrary. trump is ON TRIAL FOR FRAUD next month, and for under-aged rape in December. The director of the FBI called HIllary's emails a simple error not worthy of charges, yet we ignore Trump? The same guy twice indicted for housing discrimination who might have been punished more severely except that he routinely destroys subpeona'd materials instead of turning them over.....SERIOUSLY?

I don't get it. The emails are, and always have been a red herring...a real error in judgment deserving of criticism, but nowhere remotely close to worthy of the %#^&storm that the right has generated over them.

 
I just tried to send cstu a PM and got a message it wouldn't go through.

I'm in at $50 with 7:1 odds that Trump wins. I will and assume you wil give me your paypal info when the election is final.

 
BeaverCleaver said:
I just tried to send cstu a PM and got a message it wouldn't go through.

I'm in at $50 with 7:1 odds that Trump wins. I will and assume you wil give me your paypal info when the election is final.




 
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I am making no bets that the counter-coup will be successful.  All I said was the race was tightening.  

 
David Dodds said:
the country is at stake.  I am not looking to bet.  
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The win/loss mentality with politics is a problem.  Half the people are just looking forward to Nov 8th, to say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!"

Even if Trump wins, half the nation will be against him from day 1.  Most likely hating on him for the same reasons that have been proven to be paid for & produced by the DNC with the help of their media puppets.

 
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David Dodds said:
This is from Fox News, but if true....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=texjUk599Ac

Devices that were said to be destroyed (Computers from the people given immunity) are NOT DESTROYED according to Fox News. 
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Devices not destroyed, data is being 'exploited', and immunity agreements are null and void if any subject was found to have lied during interviews.

And some subjects in the Foundation investigation interviewed three items.

These are new items. The fact the gathered data is still available is a big deal.

 
Quint said:
so the FBI didn't destroy the HMills + HSamuelson laptops??
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According to Katherine Herridge, no.

The WSJ article mentioned that the data was still available to the EDNY & SDNY US Attorneys offices, which yeah seems weird because those devices were supposed to have been destroyed.

But the caveat that lying in the interviews invalidated the immunity agreements is a pretty interesting detail.

 
FBI has them in check!  They are aggressively releasing damaging information. It's like they are saying FU to them.  "Ok, your going to block us on the email...".  Here is a doc on WJC pardoning a donor, here's a doc on Vince Foster hinting at what docs to request next, Clinton Foundation actively pursuing CF.

This is amazing.  

 
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