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Footballguy
Haven't seen it posted.
Does anyone think that Obama pardons Hillary after she is elected regarding the emails?
Does anyone think that Obama pardons Hillary after she is elected regarding the emails?
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Henry Ford
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's been discussed.
I wouldn't rule out 'clemency' for all concerned and all potential crimes re the server including Abedin as opposed to a pardon. But that risks acknowledging there is something to give clemency for. For example IIRC Bill Clinton granted a pardon to John Deutch for similar offenses.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Dedfin
Footballguy
I think 538's podcast chatted about this being worth anywhere from 2-5% depending upon the state. Not sure how much that will mean on gameday, but I'm confident.
Underachievers
Footballguy
So there are people in this country that didn't know that Clinton and Trump were the candidates?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Hasn't Obama and the Democratic party's stance been that she did nothing that warrants even an indictment? So what would there be to pardon? A pardon would essentially be an admission that she is guilty of something.
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I think a pardon is likely, but could make things interesting. Obviously it would fire up the GOP base, and I don't think a pardon can affect an impeachment - which is not criminal in nature. And, with the Pardon, she could be compelled to testify - since there would be nothing to incriminate her.
Mom & dad are dead and buried....and you?
Remember....you left yourself WIDE open for a "your mom" reply.
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WheelsUp
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This is an actual comment and thought from what I would guess is a human being...
"Haven't seen it posted. Does anyone think that Obama pardons Hillary after she is elected regarding the emails?"
I would assume a person who would make such a comment doesnt understand the law and needs to know that you have to commit a crime before you can be convicted of one.
But enough about emails that mean nothing and have shown nothing, lets talk about Trump going to trial for rape and theft next month, huh?
Wait, emails are a crime that is worth talking about to Republicans but rape isnt?
Its so easy to make Trump supporters look terrible, just hold up the mirror.
"Haven't seen it posted. Does anyone think that Obama pardons Hillary after she is elected regarding the emails?"
I would assume a person who would make such a comment doesnt understand the law and needs to know that you have to commit a crime before you can be convicted of one.
But enough about emails that mean nothing and have shown nothing, lets talk about Trump going to trial for rape and theft next month, huh?
Wait, emails are a crime that is worth talking about to Republicans but rape isnt?
Its so easy to make Trump supporters look terrible, just hold up the mirror.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think maybe what's most important about the Morocco exchange in light of this is that Hillary personally coordinated it.
And what I suspect as many do was that Hillary was spending a good deal of her time as SOS on personal business and that her public capacity overlapped her personal affairs and vice versa. And that a good deal of what she deleted was Foundation work which would have reflected on this.
I can handle moving on to a Hillary presidency. I just want assurance this is over with. There was talk early on that the Foundation would be spun off or shut down. At this point I just want my president to be president and that is all. Just leave the Foundation and completely separate herself and the family from it so that we can know she is devoted to her job and the American people. We still don't have that but I hope it happens before January. Our president can't have a sidelighting job hitting up foreign leaders and corporate leaders for cash, especially all while avoiding transparency laws. Enough.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Rape trial is off. Complaint was dropped again.
Dedfin
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Hi Quez,
Maybe you are just trying to be glib here, and it just comes off a little weird. FYI most hispanic people in this country are actually from this country. Suggesting hispanic people to go "back" to a country they've never called their own is about as ignorant as suggesting a black person to go "back" to you know where.
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WheelsUp
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Funny "rape trial" is off and no one talks, but when an "email case" is closed, people still want to talk about that "nothing" that happened.
I wish Republicans would answer these questions instead of ignore them.
Why do you talk about a nothing case with emails but not a "nothing" case of rape? Is emails more important than rape to you?
If I sneak in your house and rape your wife, you would be ok. But if I sneak in and delete her emails, you would want me dead?
I wish Republicans would answer these questions instead of ignore them.
Why do you talk about a nothing case with emails but not a "nothing" case of rape? Is emails more important than rape to you?
If I sneak in your house and rape your wife, you would be ok. But if I sneak in and delete her emails, you would want me dead?
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Really? So if I'm more concerned about HOW a criminal is exposed than I am about the criminal activity itself....I don't love my country?
OK.
timschochet
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Based on what? Ghost Rider, though he despises Hillary and thinks she is guilty of criminal behavior, is absolutely right about this- Hillary's position is that she did nothing wrong. Obama will NEVER pardon Hillary Clinton. You're dreaming.
Well...since this "case of rape' of which you speak doesn't really exist....I choose to focus on the criminal activity that obviously DOES exist.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Explain this: Exactly HOW can Trump be an "agent for another country"....and at the same time, we are supposed to worry that this same "agent to another country" is going to lead us into a war with this "other country"? You can't have BOTH. Either he is in cahoots with Putin....or he's the enemy of Putin. Which one is it today?
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BeaverCleaver
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timschochet
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WheelsUp, the vast majority of Trump supporters love their country. I think they're making a bad choice based mostly on fear and misinformation, but I don't think their patriotism should ever be questioned.
Underachievers
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...and which of the two candidates (and their associates) have admittedly, made bad choices lately?
How many times have we heard Hillary and Lorettta Lynch say "well, I certainly wouldn't do THAT again"?
timschochet
Footballguy
And FWIW I don't think Donald Trump is an agent of Russia, knowing or otherwise.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Who? Trump?
I think the FBI is investigating this.
We should probably trust the FBI to do its job. I don't think that book is finished being written. But just let them do their job.
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Gr00vus
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That's one bad decision. Trump has thousands of bad decisions evident to set against that one bad decision.
Two bad decisions....one by Hillary and one by Lynch in which both said "well, I certainly wouldn't do THAT again"..
Exactly which "bad decision" by Trump has lead him to where he is today?
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timschochet
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Not too often but much more often than Trump, and this is in itself a good reason to vote Hillary. All leaders make mistakes. The ones we should want are those who are willing to acknowledge them and learn from them.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Interesting update on investigation - its from Breitbart - so dismiss at your leisure
For me, the reporting that makes sense, and helps explain some of the early confusion around the reporting - is that the NYPD had the laptop first, and currently has a copy of the laptop contents. According to this report the NYPD brought the FBI into the loop. I think it has been reported that the FBI originally discovered these emails while investigating Weiner, but maybe the NYPD are the original investigators.
Now what seem off about the piece is this:
Blackwater founder and former Navy SEAL Erik Prince told Breitbart News Daily on SiriusXM that according to one of his “well-placed sources” in the New York Police Department, “The NYPD wanted to do a press conference announcing the warrants and the additional arrests they were making” in the Anthony Weiner investigation, but received “huge pushback” from the Justice Department.
If its an investigation into Weiner - how many arrests could there be? It seems somewhat obvious that Weiner will be arrested - hence his proactive checking into the sex-addiction rehab. But beyond that - nobody else should be arrested from that investigation.
“They found State Department emails. They found a lot of other really damning criminal information, including money laundering, including the fact that Hillary went to this sex island with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton went there more than 20 times. Hillary Clinton went there at least six times,” he said.
Even assuming this to be true - which I do not believe right now - its not evidence of a crime committed in NY. So, salacious, yes. Grounds to indict, no.
But, if the NYPD has the contents of the laptop - the contents are far more likely to leak than if the FBI had the only copy...
For me, the reporting that makes sense, and helps explain some of the early confusion around the reporting - is that the NYPD had the laptop first, and currently has a copy of the laptop contents. According to this report the NYPD brought the FBI into the loop. I think it has been reported that the FBI originally discovered these emails while investigating Weiner, but maybe the NYPD are the original investigators.
Now what seem off about the piece is this:
Blackwater founder and former Navy SEAL Erik Prince told Breitbart News Daily on SiriusXM that according to one of his “well-placed sources” in the New York Police Department, “The NYPD wanted to do a press conference announcing the warrants and the additional arrests they were making” in the Anthony Weiner investigation, but received “huge pushback” from the Justice Department.
If its an investigation into Weiner - how many arrests could there be? It seems somewhat obvious that Weiner will be arrested - hence his proactive checking into the sex-addiction rehab. But beyond that - nobody else should be arrested from that investigation.
“They found State Department emails. They found a lot of other really damning criminal information, including money laundering, including the fact that Hillary went to this sex island with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton went there more than 20 times. Hillary Clinton went there at least six times,” he said.
Even assuming this to be true - which I do not believe right now - its not evidence of a crime committed in NY. So, salacious, yes. Grounds to indict, no.
But, if the NYPD has the contents of the laptop - the contents are far more likely to leak than if the FBI had the only copy...
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Lynch isn't running for President.
As long as you're going to intimate guilt by association though, the decision to have Christie be the guy hiring Trump's staff if he makes it into the white house is an awful decision. One down a few thousand more to go.
Mile High
Footballguy
Both Hillary and Lynch admitted their bad decisions only AFTER being cornered.
Hillary admitting that she made a mistake is downplaying the extreme nature of her behavior.
A mistake is something that is done out of that person's usual mode of operation......Brady throws an interception may have been a mistake. Living your life a s criminal, getting caught, and THEN admitting a mistake is NOT the sign of a "leader".
Unless of course, we are talking about the leader of a crime syndicate.
We're talking CHARACTER here..."the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual"
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SaintsInDome2006
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I don't think this part is ridiculous, especially as the WSJ reported that the national security investigation was contacted by the FBI team in the SDNY about the Weiner data having relevant information.
Anything new from BB has to be taken with huge piles of salt.
Boston
Footballguy
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If Trump is proven to have raped a women he should be held fully accountable and feel the full brunt of the law...until it is proven I would hope the press and people like yourself treat these victims with the same grace and dignity Kathleen Wiley and Juanita Broderrick received...
No, Lynch is only the leader of our criminal investigation system....who met with a criminal's husband while that criminal was under investigation. Nothing to see here.
As for Christie....we are including POTENTIAL mistakes?
timschochet
Footballguy
Hillary visited Sex Island 6 times? Sure she did.
We need to have a show about this, a new Fantasy Island, with special guest stars Donald Trump, both Clintons, Anthony Weiner, Alan Dershowitz, and lots of other celebrities, all coming to visit.
Marco Rubio, who Trump called "Little Marco", could play the guy who yells "De plane! De plane!" at the start of each episode.
We need to have a show about this, a new Fantasy Island, with special guest stars Donald Trump, both Clintons, Anthony Weiner, Alan Dershowitz, and lots of other celebrities, all coming to visit.
Marco Rubio, who Trump called "Little Marco", could play the guy who yells "De plane! De plane!" at the start of each episode.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
What criminal? No one's been convicted of anything.
As to Christie, It's not a potential mistake. It's a mistake right here right now. Or did you miss the results of the proceedings against his entire staff while Governor yesterday?
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McGarnicle
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Don't mention that this "nothing case of emails" entails 33,000 that were deleted AFTER a Congressional Subpoena AND the THOUSANDS of "nothing emails" that the common rabble of lowly Americans were never meant to see. Never mind what is IN those emails...the bad thing in all this was the fact that they were STOLEN!"A nothing case of emails"
Got my laugh for the day!
Do you know why drug dealers never call the cops?
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