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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

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David Dodds said:
Doctor Detroit - What's your take on the seriousness of these things?  I trust your opinion as I know you have dealt with much classified info as well:

1.  If it is proven Hillary's private server was compromised and multiple SAP and Top Secret files are in the hands of up to 5 enemies of ours (thought to be Russia, China, Iran at least).  Clearly emails could also show where we destabilized governments, etc.

2.  If it can be shown that HRC leveraged knowledge of Saudi and QATAR funding ISIS for her personal gain?
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The whole Clinton Foundation stuff is absolute fodder IMO.  It is a highly respected charity responsible for a ton of good, and it contributes to the best causes humans can involve themselves in sans the lack of contributions to animal welfare causes which are important to me personally.  I hate Saudis, I am among the the least prejudice and bigoted people I know (and those who know me will confirm this), but they are complete pigs.  I've spent a lot of time in that ####hole and in Qatar, and I can't say positive thing about either.

However, if you are getting funds to benefit the masses via these scoundrels, to me that's like stealing from the wolf to the benefit of the lamb.  I see no issue with this, it's doing the right thing by whatever means possible. 

Hillary's server is hilarious, all those high ranking gov ####ers did the same damn thing.  "Set me up with a private server so I can circumvent the system, because I'm, important and I need this stuff to do my job."  Everyone in govt did this from 2000 to 2012 or whatever, it's just like anything else with powerful people.  Colin Powell did it, Petraeus did it, Wolfowitz did it, they all did it.  Just like the CEO of Qualcom or Lockhead Martin did it, but in their cases the only thing that happened was China stole their secrets and made jellycocks in the form of the Wonder Twins™. 

 
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Henry Ford said:
Dodds, you just tried to pass off paintings of kids in bathing suits referencing the horror of growing up in a war torn country without innocence as child pornography in order to bolster an insane theory. You get that you're way out of bounds, right?




 
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I did not.  I said this is the kind of art one of the Podesta's likes.  Seems odd to me.  A lot of the people they hang around seem to like to go to an Island where the owner of that Island was arrested for enslaving two girls.  Lots of hints from sources that the Clintons are connected to this Island since Bill took 20 trips there and the Foundation gets giant sums from the pedophile.  

 
David Dodds said:
Then why did the entire HRC team go crazy when Comey announced this? and why would Comey announce without knowing what he had?  If he has nothing, it would be job suicide, right?  And why would (if the leaked sources are correct) 5+ FBI offices, NYPD, and a ton of people all be on this thing. If it's Al Capone's Vault all over, the guy's career (and everyone that assisted) are toast right?  And when they announced, Trump had about a 12% chance to win.  I am having a super hard time believing they have nothing (or even just a few more emails).  They had 7 SAP programs and they gave her a pass.  That is awful and they let it go.  They opened up insinuating MUCH WORSE than that.
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My god, man.   Go to rehab.

 
David Dodds said:
Then why did the entire HRC team go crazy when Comey announced this? and why would Comey announce without knowing what he had?  If he has nothing, it would be job suicide, right?  And why would (if the leaked sources are correct) 5+ FBI offices, NYPD, and a ton of people all be on this thing. If it's Al Capone's Vault all over, the guy's career (and everyone that assisted) are toast right?  And when they announced, Trump had about a 12% chance to win.  I am having a super hard time believing they have nothing (or even just a few more emails).  They had 7 SAP programs and they gave her a pass.  That is awful and they let it go.  They opened up insinuating MUCH WORSE than that.
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The team went crazy because the irresponsible director of the FBI made an announcement that can influence the election 11 days before voting.  That's the whole reason they went crazy.  Spoiler (which isn't much of a spoiler because I've talked about it for a year on here) one of her top media staffers is a friend of mine, who I've known for almost 20 years.  I promise you they were freaking out because the election was 11 days away and this was a massive violation of policy.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
The whole Clinton Foundation stuff is absolute fodder IMO.  It is a highly respected charity responsible for a ton of good, and it contributes to the best causes humans can involve themselves in sans the lack of contributions to animal welfare causes which are important to me personally.  I hate Saudis, I am among the the least prejudice and bigoted people I know (and those who know me will confirm this), but they are complete pigs.  I've spent a lot of time in that ####hole and in Qatar, and I can't say positive thing about either.

However, if you are getting funds to benefit the masses via thees scoundrels, to me that's like stealing from the wolf to the benefit of the lamb.  I see no issue with this, it's doing the right thing by whatever means possible. 

Hillary's server is hilarious, all those high ranking gov ####ers did the same damn thing.  "Set me up with a private server so I can circumvent the system, because I', important and I need this stuff to do my job."  Everyone in govt did this from 2000 to 2012 or whatever, it's just like anything else with powerful people.  Colin Powell did it, Petraeus did it, Wolfowitz did it, they all did it.  Just like the CEO of Qualcom or Lockhead Martin did it, but in their cases the only thing that happened was China stole their secrets and made jellycocks in the form of the Wonder Twins™. 




 
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so going forward, nothing secure has to ever be secure?  I am confused.  We probably could save a lot of money and declassify everything then.

 
David Dodds said:
I did not.  I said this is the kind of art one of the Podesta's likes.  Seems odd to me.  A lot of the people they hang around seem to like to go to an Island where the owner of that Island was arrested for enslaving two girls.  Lots of hints from sources that the Clintons are connected to this Island since Bill took 20 trips there and the Foundation gets giant sums from the pedophile.  
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Bill did not take 20 trips there.  You have never seen documents that evidence that Bill took 20 trips there.  You saw an article from a crazy person that says that at best.

 
Henry Ford said:
The team went crazy because the irresponsible director of the FBI made an announcement that can influence the election 11 days before voting.  That's the whole reason they went crazy.  Spoiler (which isn't much of a spoiler because I've talked about it for a year on here) one of her top media staffers is a friend of mine, who I've known for almost 20 years.  I promise you they were freaking out because the election was 11 days away and this was a massive violation of policy.
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well, it may also be a felony.

 
David Dodds said:
so going forward, nothing secure has to ever be secure?  I am confused.  We probably could save a lot of money and declassify everything then.
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See THIS is the sort of thing that is a legitimate criticism. Totally legit.  Run with that.  Slightly oberblowm by now IMO but a perfectly legitimate criticism.  

 
Henry Ford said:
The team went crazy because the irresponsible director of the FBI made an announcement that can influence the election 11 days before voting.  That's the whole reason they went crazy.  Spoiler (which isn't much of a spoiler because I've talked about it for a year on here) one of her top media staffers is a friend of mine, who I've known for almost 20 years.  I promise you they were freaking out because the election was 11 days away and this was a massive violation of policy.




 
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would it be a violation of policy (same Hatch act) to stall the FBI (Lynch had done that repeatedly - would not allow him to combine investigations, etc).  Again, I ask sincerely, why would they INTERFERE when Trump only had a 12% chance of winning.  Did they expect him to win if they did this?  It actually has made the race quite close, but no way could they suspect that with Trump being Trump.  Comey did this knowing it was committing  job suicide.  Yet he did it anyway. 

 
David Dodds said:
so going forward, nothing secure has to ever be secure?  I am confused.  We probably could save a lot of money and declassify everything then.
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Not sure the question.  Hillary screwed up by having classified info on a NIPRnet system.  She is not excused, but Trump dry humping the topic while in bed with the Russians is deplorable.  Worry less about an honest mistake and more about a nefarious intention IMO.   

 
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You guys can all say I am wearing the tin hat, but I suspect if the DOJ actually allows a Grand Jury to convene, HRC is in some seriously deep trouble.  The FBI did not go rogue for fun. We all know the NSA spy cloud has every email including the 33,000 that were deleted.  The theory among my circle of tin-foil hat wearing hackers is the FBI has all of those emails.  Plus they now have Anthony Weiners emails.  and we know from WikiLeaks, that HRCs team conspired not to send a bunch of emails (Mills, Podesta, others go down for that).  

But I still have a giant suspicion this is way deeper than emails.  They found 7 SAP programs and said no problem.  Finding 10 more of those does not change the narrative.  That's not worthy of hail-mary status. 

 
And to that end Hillary's actions of having a separate email account and server to do her job isn't the issue.  The Issue is her denial and ho-hum attitude towards legitimate accusations or wrong doing.  ""I screwed up, I admit it.  Doing what everyone else does is not how America remains the most powerful and amazing democracy in the history of the world.  I accept that I failed to follow procedure, but my intention was to do my job and what was best for the American people.  Also, BENGHAZI!!!!!"

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Not sure the question.  Hillary screwed up by having classified info on a NIPRnet system.  She is not excused, but Trump dry humping the topic while in bed with the Russians is deplorable.  Worry less about an honest mistake and more about a nefarious intention IMO.   




 
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We have proof that the WikiLeaks came from Russia?  I saw two statements from two security agencies talking about the DNC leaks that hinted that this could be the case.  I have never seen an official position on the Podesta leaks and many saying it was doubtful.  Again I am not saying Guccifer or other stuff.  

For me it doesn't really matter.  The leaks are out there.  They have shown the corruption. None of that evidence is likely admissible.  The FBI would need to prove their case without any leaked info.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
And to that end Hillary's actions of having a separate email account and server to do her job isn't the issue.  The Issue is her denial and ho-hum attitude towards legitimate accusations or wrong doing.  ""I screwed up, I admit it.  Doing what everyone else does is not how America remains the most powerful and amazing democracy in the history of the world.  I accept that I failed to follow procedure, but my intention was to do my job and what was best for the American people.  Also, BENGHAZI!!!!!"




 
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100% agree.  This would have went away much faster had she just turned everything over assuming there were not a bunch of emails showing the Pay to Play scams.  That's why some of us believe she set all of this private email up.  And you are likely right.  It's happening everywhere (or was)

 
Doctor Detroit said:
The FBI does their due diligence. 
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The WikiLeaks founder went on record yesterday in his interview saying the Podesta emails did not come from Russia. I would be very conflicted if the FBI said it on the record.  HRC's team yelling Russia is not very convincing.  I tend to believe WikiLeaks as they have shown no reason to be partial here.  Assange's latest video says Trump is unelectable called him White Trash.     

 
David Dodds said:
The WikiLeaks founder went on record yesterday in his interview saying the Podesta emails did not come from Russia. I would be very conflicted if the FBI said it on the record.  HRC's team yelling Russia is not very convincing.  I tend to believe WikiLeaks as they have shown no reason to be partial here.  Assange's latest video says Trump is unelectable called him White Trash.     
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If Russia didn't do it I'll eat my hat. 

 
David Dodds said:
You guys can all say I am wearing the tin hat, but I suspect if the DOJ actually allows a Grand Jury to convene, HRC is in some seriously deep trouble.  
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Like, rape a young girl deep trouble?  Because that's the kind of trouble Donald J might be in. 

Ill take pride in crapping all over Clinton with you, but let's wait until she's elected. 

 
JFC, I thought the Trump thread was bad. In here we've got Hillary going to Rape Island and pedophile painters and Lady Gaga drinking blood. Looking forward to watching some football today, I'll tell you what.

 
Henry Ford said:
Remember months ago when I said Clinton/Trump was going to go down to the wire if they were the candidates, and you thought I was crazy? Weird election.
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This is like that Chic-Fil-a commercial.

Ford:  Hey, what did you say to me I said I could make an automobile that the common man could afford?

Other dude: I said you were crazy

Ford: And what did you say when I said this was going to be a close election?

Other dude:  I said you were crazy

Ford:  0-2 pal

 
cockroach said:
Like, rape a young girl deep trouble?  Because that's the kind of trouble Donald J might be in. 

Ill take pride in crapping all over Clinton with you, but let's wait until she's elected. 
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That case was voluntarily dismissed. Probably bogus.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I feel like I need to go to rehab for something to be normal.  Maybe being mean to people on the internet? 

I basically don't really like people, I don't think they make medicine for that  :shrug:  
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THAT makes you normal.

 
David Dodds said:
The WikiLeaks founder went on record yesterday in his interview saying the Podesta emails did not come from Russia. I would be very conflicted if the FBI said it on the record.  HRC's team yelling Russia is not very convincing.  I tend to believe WikiLeaks as they have shown no reason to be partial here.  Assange's latest video says Trump is unelectable called him White Trash.     
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Fwiw Assange has usually said in the past his sources were anonymous. Recently however he has said he will not reveal his sources. That's contradictory as it suggests a change in that he knows who his sources are.

I don't think it's impossible that Assange has relied on the kindness of strangers in the past and that they may have been from Moscow (weirdly it was Assange who helped land Snowden in Moscow's airport) but even if not it's a pretty simple matter to be manipulated by a foreign government by simply accepting whatever data is dropped through the front door slot. The technical evidence is very strong also. 

I don't think that affects how we look at some very basic issues revealed in the emails though. 

 
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The Football Freak said:
This is an interesting article I found. Clearly, it's early reporting on a developing investigation, but maybe pertinent. 

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN12Y2WY
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Fwiw there is more than one source of hacked documents, Guccifur 2 is one there are at least a couple others. Note they don't say Wikileaks there or specify the source. The possibility of disinformation is strong and the whole thing is an active measure but I'm sure Hillary fans want to take this as a reason to tell people to turn away from all information in the hacked emails.

 
Henry Ford said:
Here's what I like to do when I have a theory.  On a case, whatever.  I get all of my evidence together and print it out so I can create a visual.  I lay each page out in front of me and look at it as a whole and I remove everything that's just someone else saying they heard something.  Then I remove everything that could be interpreted as being absolutely nothing by a judge.  If nothing remains, I withdraw from the case.   
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Dodds is off the deep end lately, but "nothing remains" isn't accurate, either.  We've got all sorts of conflicts of interest between State, Teneo, the Foundation, etc.  We have multiple State staff members pleading the 5th, which, by definition, means those staff members believe there is something incriminating.  We definitely have intentional skirting of FOIA.  We likely have intentional deletion of data while under subpoena.

Let's not suggest that there's nothing going on here.

 
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Henry Ford said:
The team went crazy because the irresponsible director of the FBI made an announcement that can influence the election 11 days before voting.  That's the whole reason they went crazy.  Spoiler (which isn't much of a spoiler because I've talked about it for a year on here) one of her top media staffers is a friend of mine, who I've known for almost 20 years.  I promise you they were freaking out because the election was 11 days away and this was a massive violation of policy.
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What policy was violated so massively?   Link?

 
David Dodds said:
Give me a scenario where she is able to sidestep what they have on her.   
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If "what they have on her" is largely fabricated by websites that recognize there is a huge target audience right now for this kind of stuff.

If "what they have on her" is more of the same stuff as before, which they already deemed to show "carelessness but not intent."

If "what they have on her" can be easily turned into "what they have on Abedin", because the supporting cast taking the fall for the main player is the American way (Chris Christie being the most recent example).

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Nothing.  He's the same guy that as Deputy Attorney General told **** Cheney to #### in his own hat several times and went to the carpet against components of the Patriot Act the GW Bush administration revered most. 

Comey did exactly the right thing by releasing the news about the new emails.  What he could have done is held it until after the election, now that would have been a political move and also one that would have reflected extremely poorly upon the FBI.  By releasing the information he's beyond reproach, and even though the timing is unfortunate for Clinton, big picture she has to understand that holding that info would have lead to her first scandal as president. 

Our government does a bad job of releasing information sometimes, and it has cost it the trust of the people.  Release, release, release and make things transparent as you can because you are beholden to the people of America more than you are to a system or tradition.  Comey likely warned the AG this was going to happen and maybe he gave his reasoning, maybe he didn't.  He really doesn't have to, he has full power to release information.  But he probably gave the AG enough warning that at least the White House was ready for this, beyond that I couldn't say. 

The FBI is super conservative, all the Federal Law Enforcement agencies are.  The FBI also has a good reputation to protect and I think those within the agency recognize the importance of maintaining that reputation (more autonomy, more :moneybag: and more pull when they really need something from politicians).  I'm guessing a good majority of those who work there are voting for Trump, but in general these people keep their politics in tight circles and influencing agents in particular is pretty difficult. 

At the end of the day Comey has a responsibility to the American people and to his agency exponentially more than he has responsibility to politicians.  He has gone against both GW Bush and Obama on many issues over the years in his capacity in government, he's not some throw it the wall and see if it sticks appointee. 
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Hope you're right DD....very well said

:goodposting:  

 
Agreed Saints...probably why it didn't get a ton of attention.  I was browsing over the thread since I hadn't been in.  Figured it was worth a bump given all the "Comey did this to influence the election" garbage that was being spewed.  I still can't get over that weak sauce....he's a God send one day then the devil the next all because he's doing his job.  What a bunch of partisan doosh bags :thumbdown:   Needless to say, I am ready for this portion of the nightmare to end.  Problem is, it's midnight and I am assured another nightmare when I fall back asleep.

 
jon_mx said:
Probably is a bit strong. It is Trump we are talking about though, so I would go about 50-50 here. 
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There is an article out which is more convincing than that case. As we know Bill has his own allegation on that score. With *almost every scandal Trump and Bill/Hillary match up 1-1.

 
Quez said:
highlights of 32, sorry if Honda

Paying for Chelsea's Wedding from the foundation?  Yeah, great charity.  ILLEGAL

ttps://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046

Coordination between campaign & pac.  ILLEGAL

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/50997

DRAIN THE SWAMP!




 
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I see why they called this PHASE 3.  Those are definitely bad.  Doug Band is the gift that keeps giving.  He is about to learn a very big life lesson about what you should say in an email.  

 
tommyboy said:
Do you think Trump will win?
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Because assange has something on him or he is claiming it is rigged despite what he and the fbi have done to this election?

How much does hillary need to win by for people to not say it was rigged?

 
I can confirm two of @Doctor Detroit 's comments.

1. I know him personally. He is about the least racist person I know.

2. Since I know him, I also know that he does generally hate people. Of course, when the caliber of person he hangs around is yours truly, that's not a surprising result.

 
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