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*** Official Jaguars Thread - Team Putting #DTWD to The Test *** (3 Viewers)
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Here's to hoping that this draft isn't a Gene Smith type draft.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
That's where I was at. I would have been okay with Cooper as well.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Caldwell:
"It came down to me. We signed Odrick and Leonard Williams has similar traits. End rushers are hard to find."
"It came down to me. We signed Odrick and Leonard Williams has similar traits. End rushers are hard to find."
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massraider
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I'm with you on this one.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Still like Ajayi, too.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
And Duke. And so on.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I would really like to add Tyler Lockett to this team if he's available later.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
There you go!
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
If we could only get improved protection and QB play....
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Love the AJ Cann pick. They've done a great job in FA and the draft to improve the o-line.
Caldwell feasted in rounds 4 and 5 last year. Let's hope we can continue that this year.
Caldwell feasted in rounds 4 and 5 last year. Let's hope we can continue that this year.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Really happy with this draft class.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Insider: With draft complete, Jaguars add missing element: Competition
By Ryan O'Halloran
Be aware, Zane Beadles and Luke Bowanko.
Be worried, Andre Branch and Chris Smith.
Have angst, Ace Sanders and Tandon Doss.
Have concern, Toby Gerhart and Storm Johnson.
Company is coming to town and this years original 53-man roster will have equal parts a new look (in the form of new players) and new mechanics (starters will become back-ups).
For the first two years of the Dave Caldwell-Gus Bradley Era, guessing the Week 1 starting lineup and most of the roster after the draft ended was an easy task. The roster had little depth, meaning high draft picks started immediately and locked into the roster were all picks and most every unrestricted free agent addition.
Not anymore.
Who knows if it will develop into a better product (both record-wise and entertainment-wise) this year, but the Jaguars goal of creating competition and not letting players get too comfortable has been successful.
The guys who have been here for a year or two will say it [will be] different, Caldwell said after the Jaguars completed their eight-person draft Saturday night. They will be pushed.
Pushed out of the starting lineup Chris Clemons by first-round pick Dante Fowler at the Leo spot; Bowanko by Stefen Wisniewski at center and in one of the top training camp subplots; possibly Beadles by third-round pick A.J. Cann at left guard.
Pushed out of a regular role Branch is now the third-string Leo and Gerhart could become a third-down back.
Or pushed off the roster Sanders/Doss are long shots after the Jaguars drafted Rashad Greene in the fifth round (their best-value pick of the weekend). Smith is now fourth-team at Leo and Johnson a fifth-string tailback after the arrival of second-round pick-turned-starter T.J. Yeldon.
Before the draft, I counted 35 of the 72 players who should feel good about making the Week 1 roster. After the draft, I counted 41 of the 80 players. And there is always an undrafted free agent who emerges.
That is significant progress compared to a few years ago and it means Caldwell Era draft picks undoubtedly Sanders and probably cornerback Jeremy Harris from the 2013 class and Smith/Johnson from 2014 and maybe this weekends seventh-round picks (receiver Neal Sterling and tight end Ben Koyack) could be left off the roster in September.
The status quo 4-12 in 2013 and 3-13 in 2014 is unacceptable so the Jaguars signed seven free agents, claimed running back Bernard Pierce on waivers and have now added a draft class.
Giving up an NFL-high 71 sacks didnt just mean adding right tackle Jermey Parnell, but signing Wisniewski and drafting Cann, an obvious sign new offensive line coach Doug Marrone wasnt impressed by last years game tapes.
And having a Super Bowl ring and familiarity with Bradley meant nothing just ask Red Bryant. He was cut as soon as the Jaguars signed Jared Odrick.
Compare that to last training camp when the biggest shake-up was the self-destruction of center Mike Brewster, who went from starter to waived in a six-week span. Even the casual observer would have connected on 19-20 of the starters.
On paper, the Jaguars may have upgraded at strong-side defensive end (Odrick for Bryant), Leo end (Fowler for Clemons), Otto linebacker (Dan Skuta for several guys), free safety (Sergio Brown or James Sample for Josh Evans), No. 1 cornerback (Davon House for Alan Ball), right tackle (Parnell for Austin Pasztor/Sam Young), running back (Yeldon for a committee) and punt returner (Greene for Sanders).
If you look across the board, every position group was strengthened, either through free agency or the draft, Bradley said. Most teams can say they did that, but I just think theres an overall feeling of competition in each meeting room and thats always good.
The Jaguars hope making players uncomfortable will also push them to a new level of performance and success.
Were going to challenge these guys, Bradley said. Thats our mentality.
By Ryan O'Halloran
Be aware, Zane Beadles and Luke Bowanko.
Be worried, Andre Branch and Chris Smith.
Have angst, Ace Sanders and Tandon Doss.
Have concern, Toby Gerhart and Storm Johnson.
Company is coming to town and this years original 53-man roster will have equal parts a new look (in the form of new players) and new mechanics (starters will become back-ups).
For the first two years of the Dave Caldwell-Gus Bradley Era, guessing the Week 1 starting lineup and most of the roster after the draft ended was an easy task. The roster had little depth, meaning high draft picks started immediately and locked into the roster were all picks and most every unrestricted free agent addition.
Not anymore.
Who knows if it will develop into a better product (both record-wise and entertainment-wise) this year, but the Jaguars goal of creating competition and not letting players get too comfortable has been successful.
The guys who have been here for a year or two will say it [will be] different, Caldwell said after the Jaguars completed their eight-person draft Saturday night. They will be pushed.
Pushed out of the starting lineup Chris Clemons by first-round pick Dante Fowler at the Leo spot; Bowanko by Stefen Wisniewski at center and in one of the top training camp subplots; possibly Beadles by third-round pick A.J. Cann at left guard.
Pushed out of a regular role Branch is now the third-string Leo and Gerhart could become a third-down back.
Or pushed off the roster Sanders/Doss are long shots after the Jaguars drafted Rashad Greene in the fifth round (their best-value pick of the weekend). Smith is now fourth-team at Leo and Johnson a fifth-string tailback after the arrival of second-round pick-turned-starter T.J. Yeldon.
Before the draft, I counted 35 of the 72 players who should feel good about making the Week 1 roster. After the draft, I counted 41 of the 80 players. And there is always an undrafted free agent who emerges.
That is significant progress compared to a few years ago and it means Caldwell Era draft picks undoubtedly Sanders and probably cornerback Jeremy Harris from the 2013 class and Smith/Johnson from 2014 and maybe this weekends seventh-round picks (receiver Neal Sterling and tight end Ben Koyack) could be left off the roster in September.
The status quo 4-12 in 2013 and 3-13 in 2014 is unacceptable so the Jaguars signed seven free agents, claimed running back Bernard Pierce on waivers and have now added a draft class.
Giving up an NFL-high 71 sacks didnt just mean adding right tackle Jermey Parnell, but signing Wisniewski and drafting Cann, an obvious sign new offensive line coach Doug Marrone wasnt impressed by last years game tapes.
And having a Super Bowl ring and familiarity with Bradley meant nothing just ask Red Bryant. He was cut as soon as the Jaguars signed Jared Odrick.
Compare that to last training camp when the biggest shake-up was the self-destruction of center Mike Brewster, who went from starter to waived in a six-week span. Even the casual observer would have connected on 19-20 of the starters.
On paper, the Jaguars may have upgraded at strong-side defensive end (Odrick for Bryant), Leo end (Fowler for Clemons), Otto linebacker (Dan Skuta for several guys), free safety (Sergio Brown or James Sample for Josh Evans), No. 1 cornerback (Davon House for Alan Ball), right tackle (Parnell for Austin Pasztor/Sam Young), running back (Yeldon for a committee) and punt returner (Greene for Sanders).
If you look across the board, every position group was strengthened, either through free agency or the draft, Bradley said. Most teams can say they did that, but I just think theres an overall feeling of competition in each meeting room and thats always good.
The Jaguars hope making players uncomfortable will also push them to a new level of performance and success.
Were going to challenge these guys, Bradley said. Thats our mentality.
MAC_32
Footballguy
lotta rooks last year, see how they develop with a full offseason...
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Inside Look at the Jaguars' Draft Process
By Ryan O'Halloran, Florida Times-Union
Which players did the Jaguars consider with the third pick in the NFL Draft? Did they come close to moving back into the first round Thursday night? Which prospect was discussed the longest by coaches and scouts? Why a guard in the third round?
Starting Wednesday and through the draft, Jaguars general manager Dave Caldwell answered those questions and more through multiple interviews with the Times-Union.
Caldwells insight was under the agreement his comments wouldnt be used until after the draft. Here is Daves Draft Diary:
Wednesday, 8 p.m.
At home 24 hours before the draft begins, Caldwell wont reveal whom the Jaguars will take at No. 3, but does make one prediction: There wont be a trade.
But if Im offered a future first, thats a different story, he said.
As of tonight, Caldwell had received just some feelers, about the picks availability.
It was more, We want to keep the communication open and would be willing to move up, he said. But it hasnt been anything like, What will it take for [the Jaguars] to move down?
Caldwell wont shop the pick.
Thats hard because once you pick up the phone, youve lost, he said. People think you want to bail and you lose a lot of leverage.
The Jaguars preferred scenario is Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota going 1-2, allowing them to pick the best non-quarterback.
Caldwells strategy is dividing the draft into two parts: Need (top three rounds) and best player available (last four rounds).
Were just looking for guys that will make teams say, [shoot], how are we going to handle that guy? and it can be on offense or defense, he said.
What about two difference-makers in the first round? Once the Jaguars pick at 3, Caldwell will wait until around No. 20 and survey the board.
There are a couple of guys that we would say, Hey, if this guy starts to fall, lets go up and get him, he said.
Two of those players are running backs Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon. A trip into the high 20s would force Caldwell to dip into his 2016 draft (third or fourth round). But under no circumstances will he deal next years first-rounder.
Maybe next years third or next years fourth or this years third it depends how far you want to move up, he said.
Asked who was the player who was discussed the longest, Caldwell said USC defensive back Josh Shaw, infamous for fabricating a story about injuring his ankle while rescuing his nephew when he was actually running from police.
Some of our scouts didnt like him at corner and some didnt like him at safety, Caldwell said. A difference of opinions, and rightfully so. Hes fourth or fifth round but could sneak into the third.
Thursday, 6:45 p.m.
Caldwell arrived at his EverBank Field office around 1 p.m.
Hung out and worked out, he said.
At 5 p.m., the Jaguars Draft Room is served dinner, main courses of filet mignon, chicken parmesan and salmon. The snack? French fries.
There is also a seating chart. In the middle of the room is a table for Caldwell, coach Gus Bradley, owner Shad Khan, analytics chief Tony Khan and, for the first pick, president Mark Lamping. There are also numerous team sponsors in the room.
Caldwell has received no offers for the third pick and said moving back into the late first round remains an option if two of our guys Gurley and Gordon are still there.
Thursday, 10:10 p.m.
At 8:23 p.m., the Jaguars pick Florida defensive end Dante Fowler was turned into the league.
The final five players under consideration were Fowler, defensive lineman Leonard Williams (who went No. 6 to the Jets), pass rusher Vic Beasley (No. 8 to Atlanta) and receivers Amari Cooper (No. 4 to Oakland) and Kevin White (No. 7 to Chicago).
The Jaguars settled on Fowler six days ago.
We waited for a minute, said, Nobodys calling, and made the pick, Caldwell said.
As Caldwell predicted, there were no trades until the first-rounds midway point, when San Diego moved up one spot to No. 15 to draft Gordon.
Youre more likely to see a deal when you dont expect it, he said. Everybody around us was saying they were getting calls but nobody was calling me? Were they really getting calls?
Once the Fowler pick was made, Caldwell, Khan and Bradley all talked to Fowler on the phone.
During a news conference, Caldwell said one reason for taking Fowler was the anticipated dearth of edge rushers in the 2016 draft.
Caldwell elaborated afterward. Last spring and especially in December, the Jaguars scouting staff graded next years prospects by tier: A first round; B rounds 2-4; C rounds 5-7 and D free agent. Only one player currently as an A grade.
Friday, 7:45 p.m.
The nighttime start meant another early-afternoon arrival at work for Caldwell, following breakfast with his wife and a stop at Starbucks.
Around 6 p.m., Caldwell welcomed Fowler who flew with Khan on one of his planes at the stadium.
The Jaguars didnt trade up late Thursday night and didnt trade down tonight, selecting running back T.J. Yeldon with the 36th pick. They turned the selection in at 7:22 p.m.
Caldwell said Atlantas Thomas Dimitroff (his former boss) called at 11:30 p.m. Thursday and again at 11:30 a.m. Friday to discuss the Falcons moving up five picks. Three other teams including the Giants (who moved from No. 40 to No. 33 to take safety Landon Collins) called the Jaguars.
On their preliminary 2015 draft list, the Jaguars gave a first-round grade to Yeldon.
Saturday, 10:30 a.m.
Open to moving up Friday night from No. 67 into the second round, the Jaguars stayed put and drafted South Carolina guard A.J. Cann.
On Wednesday night, Caldwell projected the Jaguars first three picks as need-based. But Cann was too highly regarded to pass up and hell push, or overtake, Zane Beadles.
We thought hed be [taken in round 2], Caldwell said of Cann. We were fortunate. We didnt feel like it was a glaring need for us. We may have had needs at other positions but the value was good.
Caldwell predicts the Jaguars wont move up during the final four rounds.
Shaw, the ex-USC defensive back, remains available after three rounds and Caldwell said, hell be under our consideration at some point today.
Saturday, 8 p.m.
The Jaguars make a trade down one spot in the fourth round with the Jets and pick up New Yorks seventh-rounder. They end the draft with eight additions: Fowler, Yeldon, Cann, safety James Sample, receiver Rashad Greene, defensive tackle Michael Bennett, receiver Neal Sterling and tight end Ben Koyack.
The overall mood is good, Caldwell said at his wrap-up news conference. Were really happy. I know our scouts are happy and our coaching staff is happy. We got some players in the later rounds we didnt think would be there.
Chiefly, Greene (fifth round) and Bennett (sixth round) were excellent value picks both players visited the Jaguars last month so there was an interest.
The Jaguars took Sample at No. 104 instead of a slot receiver. But the wait paid off for Greene; only four receivers went in No. 105-138 range. Shaw went No. 120 to Cincinnati.
Once the draft ended, every NFL team kicked into another gear to agree to terms with undrafted free agents. The Jaguars have 10 open spots and by 7:45 p.m., Caldwell was again meeting with Khan and Bradley. The scouting staff contacted potential free agents last week before the draft started.
You make sure theyre healthy and willing and able leading into the draft, Caldwell said. You tell them we have an interest and we would contact them after the draft. Whoevers left on our draft-able board, well go after those guys.
The draft complete, Caldwell and the Jaguars now move onto the next phase of the off-season seeing players on the field, starting Friday during rookie mini-camp.
By Ryan O'Halloran, Florida Times-Union
Which players did the Jaguars consider with the third pick in the NFL Draft? Did they come close to moving back into the first round Thursday night? Which prospect was discussed the longest by coaches and scouts? Why a guard in the third round?
Starting Wednesday and through the draft, Jaguars general manager Dave Caldwell answered those questions and more through multiple interviews with the Times-Union.
Caldwells insight was under the agreement his comments wouldnt be used until after the draft. Here is Daves Draft Diary:
Wednesday, 8 p.m.
At home 24 hours before the draft begins, Caldwell wont reveal whom the Jaguars will take at No. 3, but does make one prediction: There wont be a trade.
But if Im offered a future first, thats a different story, he said.
As of tonight, Caldwell had received just some feelers, about the picks availability.
It was more, We want to keep the communication open and would be willing to move up, he said. But it hasnt been anything like, What will it take for [the Jaguars] to move down?
Caldwell wont shop the pick.
Thats hard because once you pick up the phone, youve lost, he said. People think you want to bail and you lose a lot of leverage.
The Jaguars preferred scenario is Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota going 1-2, allowing them to pick the best non-quarterback.
Caldwells strategy is dividing the draft into two parts: Need (top three rounds) and best player available (last four rounds).
Were just looking for guys that will make teams say, [shoot], how are we going to handle that guy? and it can be on offense or defense, he said.
What about two difference-makers in the first round? Once the Jaguars pick at 3, Caldwell will wait until around No. 20 and survey the board.
There are a couple of guys that we would say, Hey, if this guy starts to fall, lets go up and get him, he said.
Two of those players are running backs Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon. A trip into the high 20s would force Caldwell to dip into his 2016 draft (third or fourth round). But under no circumstances will he deal next years first-rounder.
Maybe next years third or next years fourth or this years third it depends how far you want to move up, he said.
Asked who was the player who was discussed the longest, Caldwell said USC defensive back Josh Shaw, infamous for fabricating a story about injuring his ankle while rescuing his nephew when he was actually running from police.
Some of our scouts didnt like him at corner and some didnt like him at safety, Caldwell said. A difference of opinions, and rightfully so. Hes fourth or fifth round but could sneak into the third.
Thursday, 6:45 p.m.
Caldwell arrived at his EverBank Field office around 1 p.m.
Hung out and worked out, he said.
At 5 p.m., the Jaguars Draft Room is served dinner, main courses of filet mignon, chicken parmesan and salmon. The snack? French fries.
There is also a seating chart. In the middle of the room is a table for Caldwell, coach Gus Bradley, owner Shad Khan, analytics chief Tony Khan and, for the first pick, president Mark Lamping. There are also numerous team sponsors in the room.
Caldwell has received no offers for the third pick and said moving back into the late first round remains an option if two of our guys Gurley and Gordon are still there.
Thursday, 10:10 p.m.
At 8:23 p.m., the Jaguars pick Florida defensive end Dante Fowler was turned into the league.
The final five players under consideration were Fowler, defensive lineman Leonard Williams (who went No. 6 to the Jets), pass rusher Vic Beasley (No. 8 to Atlanta) and receivers Amari Cooper (No. 4 to Oakland) and Kevin White (No. 7 to Chicago).
The Jaguars settled on Fowler six days ago.
We waited for a minute, said, Nobodys calling, and made the pick, Caldwell said.
As Caldwell predicted, there were no trades until the first-rounds midway point, when San Diego moved up one spot to No. 15 to draft Gordon.
Youre more likely to see a deal when you dont expect it, he said. Everybody around us was saying they were getting calls but nobody was calling me? Were they really getting calls?
Once the Fowler pick was made, Caldwell, Khan and Bradley all talked to Fowler on the phone.
During a news conference, Caldwell said one reason for taking Fowler was the anticipated dearth of edge rushers in the 2016 draft.
Caldwell elaborated afterward. Last spring and especially in December, the Jaguars scouting staff graded next years prospects by tier: A first round; B rounds 2-4; C rounds 5-7 and D free agent. Only one player currently as an A grade.
Friday, 7:45 p.m.
The nighttime start meant another early-afternoon arrival at work for Caldwell, following breakfast with his wife and a stop at Starbucks.
Around 6 p.m., Caldwell welcomed Fowler who flew with Khan on one of his planes at the stadium.
The Jaguars didnt trade up late Thursday night and didnt trade down tonight, selecting running back T.J. Yeldon with the 36th pick. They turned the selection in at 7:22 p.m.
Caldwell said Atlantas Thomas Dimitroff (his former boss) called at 11:30 p.m. Thursday and again at 11:30 a.m. Friday to discuss the Falcons moving up five picks. Three other teams including the Giants (who moved from No. 40 to No. 33 to take safety Landon Collins) called the Jaguars.
On their preliminary 2015 draft list, the Jaguars gave a first-round grade to Yeldon.
Saturday, 10:30 a.m.
Open to moving up Friday night from No. 67 into the second round, the Jaguars stayed put and drafted South Carolina guard A.J. Cann.
On Wednesday night, Caldwell projected the Jaguars first three picks as need-based. But Cann was too highly regarded to pass up and hell push, or overtake, Zane Beadles.
We thought hed be [taken in round 2], Caldwell said of Cann. We were fortunate. We didnt feel like it was a glaring need for us. We may have had needs at other positions but the value was good.
Caldwell predicts the Jaguars wont move up during the final four rounds.
Shaw, the ex-USC defensive back, remains available after three rounds and Caldwell said, hell be under our consideration at some point today.
Saturday, 8 p.m.
The Jaguars make a trade down one spot in the fourth round with the Jets and pick up New Yorks seventh-rounder. They end the draft with eight additions: Fowler, Yeldon, Cann, safety James Sample, receiver Rashad Greene, defensive tackle Michael Bennett, receiver Neal Sterling and tight end Ben Koyack.
The overall mood is good, Caldwell said at his wrap-up news conference. Were really happy. I know our scouts are happy and our coaching staff is happy. We got some players in the later rounds we didnt think would be there.
Chiefly, Greene (fifth round) and Bennett (sixth round) were excellent value picks both players visited the Jaguars last month so there was an interest.
The Jaguars took Sample at No. 104 instead of a slot receiver. But the wait paid off for Greene; only four receivers went in No. 105-138 range. Shaw went No. 120 to Cincinnati.
Once the draft ended, every NFL team kicked into another gear to agree to terms with undrafted free agents. The Jaguars have 10 open spots and by 7:45 p.m., Caldwell was again meeting with Khan and Bradley. The scouting staff contacted potential free agents last week before the draft started.
You make sure theyre healthy and willing and able leading into the draft, Caldwell said. You tell them we have an interest and we would contact them after the draft. Whoevers left on our draft-able board, well go after those guys.
The draft complete, Caldwell and the Jaguars now move onto the next phase of the off-season seeing players on the field, starting Friday during rookie mini-camp.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Gonna be some interesting training camp battles. Cann and beadles at one guard. Bowanko and Whiz at center. Greene fighting for a piece of the WR rotation. Yeldon/DenardX in the backfield.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
This is the first time in the Caldwell/Bradley era that they've been able to have real competition at multiple spots.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
This is the first time in the Caldwell/Bradley era that they've been able to have real competition at multiple spots.JaxBill said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Michael DiRocco @ESPNdirocco
Dante Fowler Jr just went down holding left knee. Got hurt in 11 on 11.
Dante Fowler Jr just went down holding left knee. Got hurt in 11 on 11.
rockaction
Footballguy
Carted off, per CSN Boston.
Ouch.
Ouch.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
JaxBill
Footballguy
MG345
Footballguy
JaxBill
Footballguy
Yes he did. With the CBA the rookie contracts basically write themself
I don't think he'd be allowed on the field without it.
cstu
Footballguy
MG345
Footballguy
They can be allowed on the field without signing a contract. There are certain insurances that are in place for things like this, though.
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
Jaguar first round luck continues...injuries, drugs, busts...just sad.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
:(
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
OH WHAT THE ####???
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Day 1 of rookie mini camp. Unbelievable. And fitting.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Dave Caldwell just texted Mike Silver. The word brutal was used.
unreal.
unreal.
