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*** Official Jaguars Thread - Team Putting #DTWD to The Test *** (2 Viewers)

Cyprien has broken hand as well but supposed to be back for opener.

Thought the offense looked pretty good. Olson definitely has Bortles throwing a bunch of quick passes like he did with Carr.

There were a couple of times that Bortles stepped up in the pocket and delivered the pass though.

I thought the line, aside from one Joeckel whiff, looked pretty decent as well.

 
Cyprien has broken hand as well but supposed to be back for opener.

Thought the offense looked pretty good. Olson definitely has Bortles throwing a bunch of quick passes like he did with Carr.

There were a couple of times that Bortles stepped up in the pocket and delivered the pass though.

I thought the line, aside from one Joeckel whiff, looked pretty decent as well.
Parnell looked beastly.
 
Holy Jesus, rotoworld. What? More like "I'm not really watching this ####, so let me make some stuff up"

"seemed to panic when the Giants brought heavy pressure."

I'm really, really happy with how BB's looked. He looks 180 out from last year.

 
Jags fans what can you tell me about Allen Robinson?

Is he the X Y or Z in the Jags offense?

I picked him up in a draft over the weekend as my #4 WR

 
Jags fans what can you tell me about Allen Robinson?

Is he the X Y or Z in the Jags offense?

I picked him up in a draft over the weekend as my #4 WR
I happen to think he's a rising star. He was the standout this offseason and he is Bortles' safety net. He plays the X.

 
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Yeldon in for tonight's game but Gerhart is out.

Marqise Lee still out.

Jags secondary gets another test with Calvin Johnson tonight.

Defense needs to find a pss rush.

 
So, my biggest worry tonight was the loss of Brandon Linder. Gus said he could have come back tonight. He's too good to lose.

Joeckel is a problem. No other way to put it. He was bad.

Yeldon looked painfully average. So did most of the defensive backfield.

Pass rush is going to be our Achilles heel. It's just not there.

BB was phenomenal.

 
Yeldon looked rusty but decent to me. The only time he had space to work with was the the catch in the flat and he looked explosive, nibble and used a nice stiff arm.

I think there is some confirmation bias going on. People who didn't like him prior found reasons to not like him. I actually was a bit of a naysayer heading into the draft.

 
Down to 75. Was hoping Redfern was going to stick.

Mark Long ‏@APMarkLong 1h1 hour ago

Jaguars waived 12 players, including vet WR Tandon Doss

Mark Long ‏@APMarkLong 1h1 hour ago

Jaguars also waive LB Alexander, DE Beard, OL Booth, CB Campbell, S Cooper, DT Crume, LB Fortt, TE Hamlett, P Redfern, OL Rummells, QB Tuel

Mark Long ‏@APMarkLong 59m59 minutes ago

Jaguars also placed former Gators standout DE Dante Fowler Jr. (knee) & OT Josh Wells (thumb) on IR

 
Sounds like Jags OC Greg Olson is sick of Marqise Lee being nicked up

"He's to me like the albino tiger at the zoo," Olson said. "You get there and if you're lucky enough to get him to come out of the cage and see him, it's a good day. I've only seen him three times [in practice] since I've been here. Those three days he was very impressive, but he's only been out three days. So, we're hoping we can get him healthy and see him a little bit more."
 
Sounds like Jags OC Greg Olson is sick of Marqise Lee being nicked up

"He's to me like the albino tiger at the zoo," Olson said. "You get there and if you're lucky enough to get him to come out of the cage and see him, it's a good day. I've only seen him three times [in practice] since I've been here. Those three days he was very impressive, but he's only been out three days. So, we're hoping we can get him healthy and see him a little bit more."
And he'll be referred to as the Albino Tiger from here on out.
 
Sounds like Jags OC Greg Olson is sick of Marqise Lee being nicked up

"He's to me like the albino tiger at the zoo," Olson said. "You get there and if you're lucky enough to get him to come out of the cage and see him, it's a good day. I've only seen him three times [in practice] since I've been here. Those three days he was very impressive, but he's only been out three days. So, we're hoping we can get him healthy and see him a little bit more."
And he'll be referred to as the Albino Tiger from here on out.
It's a big cat either way.

 
So Julius Thomas is going in for a second opinion on his hand and is looking at surgery that might nor bring him back until week 4.

Marcedes and Clay Harbor it is.

 
It would appear that Caldwell isn't all he was made out to be. His draft picks are really struggling to stay on the field. Can't wait to see how Skuta, Odrick, Parnell, and Thomas pan out.

 
How is your D/ST?
The defense isn't going to be very good this year. Pieces were added, but there is not much of a pass rush.
Not much of a secondary either...but if you're not getting any pass rush it's tough on the secondary. I'm interested in seeing how House and Odrick perform.
Only thing the secondary needs is an Earl Thomas type at safety but very few teams have that.

The corners are decent and fit the scheme well.

But, yes, the pass rush is goign to be a problem especially with Senderrick marks apparently being eased in.

 
Khan spending some more money for a guy who people swear is moving somewhere

Jaguars owner Shad Khan has revealed his next upgrade to EverBank Field.

The Jaguars will soon begin construction on an indoor facility that would serve as a practice field, as well as having other entertainment options for fans. The facility would be built less than 100 yards from the stadium. Khan estimated the project would cost around $30 million, with Khan investing most of the money required for the project.

The Jaguars want a facility where they can lessen the team's consistent exposure to heat.

"We're looking at the south end where the original practice facility used to be," Khan said. "That's exactly what we're shooting for [a 2016 completion]. This year, we've been impacted by the weather so I'd like to very much for it to be done by next year."

Khan met with reporters on Tuesday following the team's kickoff luncheon.

The indoor facility was a part of Khan's Shipyards proposal, but it's clear he doesn't want to wait.

"On the shipyards, it’s a process that’s moving and obviously a little bit slower," Khan said. "We would very much like to gather momentum. I think it’s vital for Jacksonville and it could be a definitive development. [Mayor] Lenny [Curry] has been very supportive and the city council is supportive. It has to go through a process."

Khan also updated the team's plan in London. He is hopeful to extend the London contract for well over a decade, securing the franchise's long-term future in Jacksonville. The London home game accounts for 15 percent of their local revenue.

"Nothing definitive, but I'm optimistic we'll have a renewal on that and go for a long time," Khan said. "We would like it to be long-term like 2030. It's probably been the No. 1 element in stabilizing the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's hard to believe it's over, the four-year deal. I think it's a critical part of our franchise to play games there, get the recognition and build the fan base."

The Jaguars will play their third London game in the four-year contract this fall. A new contract would start in the 2017 season. Khan said he would prefer to continue to play at Wembley Stadium. The NFL has a deal to play games at Tottenham Hotspur's new stadium, starting in 2018. The soccer team's stadium will be completed that year.
 
How bad was the roster during Khan's first year (Mularkey's one and only year)?:

"At the end of our first training camp, one coach still with the franchise told me, We were in the meeting for the final cuts and all of the position coaches submitted who they thought should make the team. We put those names on the big board and wee thought we were done until somebody noticed we only had 46 players. We had to go back and find seven guys to keep just to fill out the roster."

 
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I'm really high on Bortles being a sleeper this year. I happened to catch the 3rd preseason game against the Lions and he looked really, really sharp. Drafted him in the last round in both of my leagues.

 
I'm really high on Bortles being a sleeper this year. I happened to catch the 3rd preseason game against the Lions and he looked really, really sharp. Drafted him in the last round in both of my leagues.
I think he makes a big jump. We're hoping like hell that he's the guy. It's been a long time since we've had hope.

 
I'm really high on Bortles being a sleeper this year. I happened to catch the 3rd preseason game against the Lions and he looked really, really sharp. Drafted him in the last round in both of my leagues.
I think he makes a big jump.We're hoping like hell that he's the guy. It's been a long time since we've had hope.
I actually had to stop my FF research and watch him. He was threading the needle on some of those throws and he just looked calm, poised and comfortable in the pocket. Maybe it's only the preseason, but he was playing against the Detroit starters and damn if i wasn't super impressed.

I'm all in on Bortles.

 
Interesting article about Tony Khan's analytics role.

Includes this quote for the hayters

The younger Khan also took the opportunity to re-state his love for Jacksonville after recent reports had the team potentially moving to St. Louis.

We're doing some really great things in Jacksonville, and I don't think it's fair to take the focus off of all the great things that are happening there. I love Jacksonville, and I love what we've done in Jacksonville. My dad has a great vision for Jacksonville and things have gotten a lot bigger for the fans since he took over.
Khan's passion and focus are on Jacksonville and the analytics department he's building:

We just need to keep heading down the path we've begun—utilizing what we know about win probability and expected point data and how we can utilize these models in the decision making of our coaches. Also, working with the things we've found that tend to be predictive for players coming out of college to evaluate their chances of success in the NFL—using those models to develop a pool of young talent.
http://www.aol.com/article/2015/09/09/jaguars-owner-vp-tony-khan-bringing-a-new-outlook-to-sports/21233568/

 
I've got to hand it to you guys, underdog, often losing club, 4 years, 28 pages.... good going here. Good luck this season.

How are fans feeling about the offense? I stayed away, even from Robinson, because I can't shake the feeling the offense always has problems. Have the fans been drafting Jags locally, and if so, who? Any sleepers or surprises?

 
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Nice work by JaxBill & Co.

IMO this team is moving in the right direction. The defense is better than most realize and Bortles could take a huge step forward this year. It's a pretty amazing collection of young talent at the skill positions. I think the floor is a solid 7-8 win rebuilding year, and a WC spot is not out of the question.

Things change fast sometimes.

 
Nice article on Tony Khan:

Tony Khan, Shad's son, using passion for analytics, football to help build Jaguars

By Ryan O'Halloran

12 Sep 2015, 08:19 PM

Urged by his friends, Tony Khan appeared on a hometown radio station to provide analysis and a prediction on the 1997 Super Bowl. He was in the eighth grade.

Filling in for a mentor who was home with the flu, Khan coached the University of Illinois Laboratory School to a 62-20 win over Buckley Christ Lutheran.

He was a high school senior.

And, trusted by his father to carry out an ambitious plan to utilize statistics to aid in building a franchise that has sunk to the bottom of the NFL, Khan joined the Jaguars in July 2012.

He was 29 years old.

Khan is full of words, actions and objectives. They flow out of his mouth every day in the bowels of EverBank Field, where he is the Jaguars senior vice president of football administration and technology. Its up to everybody else, his friends, family, colleagues and employees, to keep up.

But what is Khan about? We know he joined the Jaguars, who open the season Sunday against Carolina, after his father, Shad, bought the team for $760 million in January 2012. He was tasked with starting an analytics department that explores the numbers to gain a competitive edge.

Little else, though, is known about Shad and Ann Khans only son.

Aside from occasionally posting tweets to provide context for how the Jaguars are building their team, Khan has stayed in the shadows. Until last week.

During a three-hour interview with the Times-Union, his first with a Jacksonville media outlet since his family bought the Jaguars, Khan provided a glimpse into his life and the career he loves.

Its the best, being able to work on so many different things I love, Khan says. Theres nothing else Id rather be doing.

HES THE OWNER

Two examples of what Khan, 32, does: Last year, he supplied coach Gus Bradley with data on how explosive plays increase the chances of producing a touchdown drive and also the importance of winning defensively on first down.

And during the final day of the draft in May, general manager Dave Caldwell told Khan to find a possible undrafted player who could return kickoffs.

Khan and analyst Kellen Blumberg delivered Auburns Corey Grant, who had the top Speed Score of any running back available (122.1), which incorporated a players 40-yard dash time (Grants was 4.26 seconds) with his weight (205 pounds). Big-and-fast is better than small-and-fast.

Khan reached out to Grants agent to gauge his interest and convince his client to sign. Grant signed, made the team and will return kickoffs against Carolina.

Tony understands what we want and he communicates his [findings] really well, Caldwell says. For us, we try to be clear with what our needs are, but we also dont limit him. We say, These are our specific needs, but feel free to bring anything to light that you feel were not addressing. Its a great system of checks and balances.

The majority of Khans role with the Jaguars is compiling detailed reports for Bradley and his staff early in a game week. But he also dabbles in personnel evaluation, which led him to scouting Grant.

Yes, Khan is a part of ownership. But no, people with the Jaguars say, he doesnt flex those figurative muscles.

I tell the team, This is the owner and hes got great information, Bradley says.

Says Mike Stoeber, the Jaguars assistant director of football technology: Yes, he is the owner, but when he comes into a room, hes there to work. Hes the first one to say, Ill do that. Ill jump in, when something needs to be done. This is his passion and you get excited to work with anybody who can dive into it like he does.

Khan admits, I couldnt have walked in and started a department like this had I not been my fathers son. But I think we have one of the best analytics departments in the NFL and we utilize it from top to bottom as well as anybody.

A key characteristic for any manager: Knowing what you dont know. Khan leans on the Jaguars coaching staff to learn more about strategy and concepts. He has met with general managers like the Houston Rockets Daryl Morey and the Oakland Athletics Billy Beane to absorb their expertise in team-building and how they use the numbers. The goal is always finding out how to improve.

Tony is a very savvy business person and he has a very clear vision, says Rafe Anderson, president of TruMedia Networks, the company Khan bought in February and provides its 50 clients in various sports with analytics. He has a unique ability to lay out his objectives in a way that is easy to understand.

BASKETBALL FIRST LOVE

Khans work ethic was developed at his tuition-free, had-to-test-well-to-be-admitted high school that is state funded and had the nations highest average ACT score during his graduation year. At the same time, his love of sports entertainment (pro wrestling) and team sports (basketball and football) was ignited. His favorite athletes were Magic Johnson and Brett Favre, his favorite teams Illinois football and basketball.

We let him absorb everything he could, Ann Khan recalls in a rare interview. Eventually, he found basketball and he knew everything he was there to know about basketball. And he would go everywhere talking about statistics.

Admittedly non-athletic, Khan became the varsity basketball team statistician when he was 13 years old and gradually worked his way up to become Joel Beesleys assistant coach while still in school. Khan would set up the equipment, keep the statistics, fax reports to the newspaper, observe future opponents, run the scout team in practice and coach the summer league team (13-16 career record).

And then there was the game he filled in for Beesley.

His claim to fame, Beesley says with a laugh. I was getting sicker as the day went on and we were playing a very, very small school. I showed up to the gym and said, Tony, youre in charge.

The junior varsity coach also sat on the bench for an adult presence, but Khan ran the team.

It was amazing, Ann Khan says. They could have forfeited the game, but the players rallied around him.

Says Tony: Anybody would have won that game. We had a much better team and they were just getting their program started. If we would have played without a coach, we would have still beaten them handily.

Beesley thought so much of Khans contributions, he created the Tony Khan Most Dedicated Award and made him the first recipient.

A great sense of accomplishment, Shad Khan recalls of the award. It was memorable for [the family] because we still talk about it.

Tony passed on a scholarship offer from Vanderbilt to study journalism to attend the hometown University of Illinois. He thought he wanted to coach when he joined the Illinis mens basketball program as a manager the summer before his freshman year. But he pivoted in another direction after only a few months.

I would go to a class to check which players were attending and I was like, Hey, Ive got my own classes to go to, he recalls. I couldve stuck with it, but I wasnt patient enough to wait four years to join a staff or go from a manager to a graduate assistant.

Khan graduated with a finance degree and began working for his father.

EYE ON THE NFL

Khans first job was as general manager for BioAlternative, one of his fathers companies. Based in Covington, Ind., it concentrates on biodiesel research, development and production.

What I definitely took from that experience is being really, really process-oriented, Khan says. We were doing something nobody had ever done - a lot of people had tried to make biodiesel from used cooking oils, but not in the volume we were trying to make it and especially using the process we were trying to use. It was experimental and we had to make changes to the process and improvise along the way.

It was a lesson to me to be extremely diligent and really detailed-oriented.

As Tony earned management experience at BioAlternative, Shad Khan was displaying his own diligence in pursuing ownership of the St. Louis Rams. The process peaked in February 2010 when Khan struck an agreement to buy 60 percent of the Rams. But then-minority owner Stan Kroenke exercised his right to match the offer and assume full ownership.

Even though his father was denied ownership of the Rams, pro football statistics in general and the work of the Football Outsiders group in particular became Tonys obsession. The Football Outsiders almanacs have a permanent home on the bookshelves of his Jacksonville office and the 2010 edition has lost its back cover and looks like its been through a car wash.

When we were working on the Rams sale, I was focused heavily on football and I never took my eye off of that, Khan says. I wanted to transition out of BioAlternative and was ready to [enter the NFL]. The last couple of years there, I was working on football stuff most of the day and was ready to start a [statistics] department.

Because he had been vetted by the NFL, Shads deal with the Jaguars developed quickly. And when the sale was approved, he saw the value in starting an analytics department.

He saw this was the way to go and the work I was doing was different than what most teams were doing, Tony says. When we went to see the Rams and then the Jaguars, it was clear it was something they were lacking.

PASSION BECOMES CAREER

Khan started work with the Jaguars in July 2012 and everything about the experience, relocating to a new city, entering the world of pro football, being the owners son, meeting resistance from holdover employees, was different and difficult.

There was definitely a fair amount of push back, recalls Daniel Adler, who was the Jaguars director of football research in 2012-13 and is now a consultant while he attends Harvard. It was certainly frustrating for Tony that they owned the team and he couldnt flip a switch and get everybody on board. A trying year, for sure.

Khan had an instant connection with director of football technology Mike Perkins, and Stoeber, who joined the team in 2011.

I tried to do my best to teach him as much as I could about the business, Perkins says. But he was beyond his years as far as knowing how things worked and we just hit it off with a football connection. Hes a guy who knows the game and knows the history of the game.

Says Stoeber: I loved working with Tony from Day One and he was a perfect fit from Day One. Just being around Tony added a new sense of energy and importance to some of the things we were doing because he has such a passion for the game. Not only does he study the statistics, he studies the game and why the pieces fit together and how they fit together.

Khan says 2012 was used to build a staff and foundation for how analytics would be used. Following the 2-14 season, Shad Khan fired general manager Gene Smith and interviewed four candidates. Tony was present and involved in every interview and each general manager and head-coaching candidate was told of the Jaguars commitment to analytics.

I was very open to it, Bradley recalls. I heard Jacksonville was very good in analytics and it was something I liked and felt could be a huge deal if we could take it to the next step.

During the game-plan process, Khan and his staff build a report that he presents to Bradley. The Jaguars keep the details of the reports confidential, but it includes opponents play-calling tendencies, a self-scout of the Jaguars play-calling and clock management.

Dave and Gus are open to collaboration; its not like theyre making all of their decisions based on analytics, Khan says. Ive tried to build a relationship with them to gain their trust and every year, I think theyve bought in a little more and given me more responsibility.

Says Bradley: Its been really good. He may bring up 10-15 things and Ill go back and look at them and say, These things have value, these things maybe not so much. But Ill explain why. Weve gotten more and more on the same page as weve gone on.

Caldwell and Bradleys offices are about 50 steps from Khans two-room office. The main room is non-descript save for shelves filled with football instruction manuals and books written by or about Don Shula, Lou Holtz, Vince Lombardi, Mike Ditka and Pat Riley, among others.

The adjacent room has a conference table with several leather chairs facing a giant television screen that allows Khan to chart game video.

For anybody around him who likes football, Bradleys term of endearment is, Theyre all about ball. Khan certainly qualifies.

I love the draft process. I love the regular season. I love preparing for the games, he says. I just love football.

Says Bradley: What I love about him is just like we want players who love football and are passionate about football, we want [non-players] who also love football. Tony has an unbelievable passion for analytics and thats awesome.

 
I've got to hand it to you guys, underdog, often losing club, 4 years, 28 pages.... good going here. Good luck this season.

How are fans feeling about the offense? I stayed away, even from Robinson, because I can't shake the feeling the offense always has problems. Have the fans been drafting Jags locally, and if so, who? Any sleepers or surprises?
We don't have many fans on here, but we are loyal.I feel pretty good about this offense, relatively speaking. Still way young, but it's an offense on the rise.

I don't know if we have many surprises in store, but Julius Thomas has become an afterthought. Yes, he's going to miss the first quarter of the season. But Bortles absolutely loves him and established a nice connection with him prior to the injury. I think he's is going to be huge in the latter half of the season.

 
Nice work by JaxBill & Co.

IMO this team is moving in the right direction. The defense is better than most realize and Bortles could take a huge step forward this year. It's a pretty amazing collection of young talent at the skill positions. I think the floor is a solid 7-8 win rebuilding year, and a WC spot is not out of the question.

Things change fast sometimes.
I think Bortles takes a giant step this year. 7 wins would make me feel warm inside.
 
What are Jag's homers thoughts on TJ Yeldon this season?
I'd love to give you a good answer here, but I don't think anyone knows. 10 carries in the preseason with no blocking, makes it hard to project. The team loves him, but you never know how that really is.
 

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