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*** Official Jaguars Thread - Team Putting #DTWD to The Test *** (3 Viewers)

Linked to Browns for last decade, Jaguars have separated themselves this year

From 2008-16, the Jaguars and Cleveland Browns were closely associated for all the wrong reasons.

They rolled through head coaches, coordinators, first-round draft picks and organizational re-sets, all in the name of climbing to NFL respectability.

The top commonality: They lost.

A lot.

Entering this year, Cleveland’s 38-106 record during that span was worst in the league, trailed by the Jaguars’ 42-102 mark. The moving target that is sustained pro football success proved impossible to hit.

Their fan bases had hope in July only to lose it by mid-October. Their locker rooms had belief in Week 1 only to be beaten down by Week 8. And their ownership groups supported their leaders in the off-season only to hire search firms in December.

The Jaguars, though, have flipped the script, entering Sunday’s game at Cleveland with a 6-3 record and a chance to enter Thanksgiving as the solo leader of the AFC South. The Browns, meanwhile, are 0-9 a year after going 1-15.

The toilet bowl days could be over for the Jaguars.

“You always feel like things are going to get better,” said tight end Marcedes Lewis, the Jaguars’ longest-tenured player (drafted in 2006). “Every day you wake up, you believe that will be the best day, right? It’s exciting to finally see some of the fruits of our labor.”

The Browns went 7-9 in 2014, but have won three, one and no games since.

Why have the Jaguars separated themselves with the Browns?

Quarterback

(The Jaguars haven’t whiffed nearly as often.)

The most eye-popping statistic in comparing the Jaguars and Browns: Number of starting quarterbacks.

DeShone Kizer, a rookie second-round pick, is the Browns’ 18th different quarterback to start a game since the start of 2008, an astonishing pattern of attrition.

Blake Bortles, the third overall pick in 2014 by the Jaguars, will make his 55th consecutive start.

Bortles has a 17-37 career record and never cracked a 60 percent completion percentage — he may not be the Jaguars’ quarterback of the future.

But the point is, at least the Jaguars have entered all of those Sundays knowing who their guy would be.

In the last 10 seasons, 11 Browns quarterbacks have attempted at least 200 passes and none more than Brandon Weeden’s 784. None has started more than Colt McCoy’s 21 games or thrown more than Weeden’s 23 touchdowns.

“The one thing that has hurt them is they haven’t had a guy who can take over the reins and be that true quarterback,” said Jaguars free safety Tashaun Gipson, who played four years for Cleveland (2012-15).

Veteran Browns observers point to passing on Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, and not drafting Deshaun Watson might turn out to be just as painful.

The Jaguars have four quarterbacks since 2008 who have attempted at least 777 passes, made 22 starts and thrown 27 touchdowns. Bortles is at 1,991 passes and 80 touchdowns.

The Jaguars haven’t won a lot of games (until this year), but they aren’t chasing their figurative tails in the quarterback department.

They swung for the fences on Blaine Gabbert (No. 10 in 2011 after trading up with Washington) and that didn’t work.

Bortles has at least allowed the Jaguars to prioritize other positions in rounds 2-3 over the last three drafts instead of covering up for his failure.

Cleveland waited until the end of round 1 to draft Brady Quinn (No. 22 in 2008), Weeden (No. 22 in 2013) and Manziel (No. 22 in 2015) and rounds 2-3 (McCoy No. 85 in 2010, Cody Kessler No. 93 in 2016 and Kizer No. 52 in 2017).

Coach-turned-front-office chief

(Tom Coughlin has so far been more successful than Mike Holmgren.)

On Dec. 21, 2009, Mike Holmgren, a Super Bowl-winning coach in Green Bay who also built Seattle into an NFC champion as coach/personnel chief, was hired as Browns president. Then-owner Randy Lerner signed him to a five-year contract. But Jimmy Haslam bought the team and hired former Philadelphia Eagles executive Joe Banner.

Holmgren’s touch didn’t travel with him from Seattle. By October 2012, he announced his retirement. The Browns went 5-11, 4-12 and 5-11.

Holmgren was criticized by letting general manager Tom Heckert and coach Pat Shurmur make too many football decisions while he served as face of the franchise. Under his watch, drafting tailback Trent Richardson and Weeden in the first round of 2011 was on pace to be the worst in franchise history until a later regime drafted cornerback Justin Gilbert and Manziel in the 2014 first round.

On Jan. 9, Tom Coughlin, a two-time Super Bowl-winning coach with the Giants who built the original Jaguars teams that reached two AFC title games, was brought back to Jacksonville by owner Shad Khan with the title of executive vice president-football operations. General manager Dave Caldwell remained in place and offensive line coach Doug Marrone was promoted to the big chair.

Coughlin and Co. went 3-for-3 in veteran free agency (defensive end Calais Campbell, strong safety Barry Church and cornerback A.J. Bouye).

Khan added a layer at the top of the Jaguars’ football foundation with Coughlin, a veteran hand who he felt could help the Jaguars reach new heights. So far, so good.

Since 2008, the Browns have employed five general managers (not including Holmgren). In January 2016, Cleveland threw the NFL a curveball in January 2016 when it hired New York Mets executive Paul DePodesta as chief strategy officer. The Browns have won one game since.

Continuity

(The Jaguars went 3-13 … and retained both coordinators.)

Since 2008, Cleveland is on its sixth defensive coordinator, seventh if you count Ray Horton’s two stints. The Browns are on their eighth offensive play-caller (sixth coordinator); current coach Hue Jackson calls the plays.

Both Haslam and Khan have gone the quick-trigger route.

In 2012, Khan turfed coach Mike Mularkey after a 2-14 season, two weeks after Gene Smith was fired as general manager. But Khan wanted Caldwell to be able to hire his choice, which was Gus Bradley.

In 2013, the Browns fired coach Rob Chudzinski and was a sign to fans that Haslam was getting the wrong advice from the wrong people.

Hurting Jackson’s cause as head coach have been allowing so many veterans to walk in free agency, including Gipson, center Alex Mack, right tackle Mitchell Schwartz and receiver Travis Benjamin in 2016.

The Jaguars have made it a priority to re-sign their core players – talent hasn’t been walking out the EverBank Field doors. And after last year’s 3-13 record, Khan hired Coughlin, signed Caldwell to a contract extension and the team promoted Marrone and retained coordinators Nathaniel Hackett (offense) and Todd Wash (defense). Khan was convinced he saw untapped potential on the roster, potential that could be developed without wide-spread upheaval even though Hackett introduced a new system.

“[Keeping Wash] has had an enormous impact,” linebacker Paul Posluszny said. “If we were starting from scratch back in April, it would tough to say we’re in the same spot we are now. But we had worked with him, we knew what we were going to be asked to do and we had great respect and a great relationship with him.”

For players like Lewis and Posluszny, their Jaguars’ road has been difficult, but they have finally distanced themselves from struggling franchises like the Browns.

“It’s different when you’re playing for something in November,” Lewis said. “It hasn’t been that way in a while. It’s fun coming into the building, the days are flying by and we’re winning some games, but obviously, we still have a long way to go.”

Said Posluszny: “We always felt like we were close or 1-2 players away. We had solid players and great guys, but weren’t able to put things together like we have now.”

 
Seven and Three - oh my

Harry Montana‏ @AlfieBCC 3m3 minutes ago

Jags constantly shot themselves in the foot, jobbed by refs and still won by 12.

 
@Tdickman89: The @Jaguars now have sole possession of first place in the division entering Week 12 for the first time since 1999 (were 9-1, leading the AFC Central division).

 
To me, the amazing part about the Jags record VS AFC North is that they held all 4 teams to single digits. Three of the offenses may be pedestrian but that is still a huge accomplishment given rules changes that favor offenses. 

 
To me, the amazing part about the Jags record VS AFC North is that they held all 4 teams to single digits. Three of the offenses may be pedestrian but that is still a huge accomplishment given rules changes that favor offenses. 
I mean they held the entire division to 30 points. That is just amazing.

It's clear that this defense is special

 
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MU-A-HA-HA!

:rubsHandsTogether:

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Cardinals HC Bruce Arians announced Blaine Gabbert will start in Week 12 against Jaguars. He faces his original team.

2:34 PM - Nov 20, 2017

 
Curious as to who Jacksonville fans want the Jags to go after for QB next year. In my mind, the best choices would be Cousins or Alex Smith. I think Cousins will require too much money, so I would opt for Smith. Smith is the perfect combination for a great defense: a QB who doesn't turn the ball over, and a QB who can get first downs with his feet. He could definitely run some read options with Fournette late in games when trying to protect a lead. 

While Eli is probably a better passer than Smith, He turns the ball over and is pretty immobile. I think those two things don't pair well with the defense the Jags have.

 
dhockster said:
Curious as to who Jacksonville fans want the Jags to go after for QB next year. In my mind, the best choices would be Cousins or Alex Smith. I think Cousins will require too much money, so I would opt for Smith. Smith is the perfect combination for a great defense: a QB who doesn't turn the ball over, and a QB who can get first downs with his feet. He could definitely run some read options with Fournette late in games when trying to protect a lead. 

While Eli is probably a better passer than Smith, He turns the ball over and is pretty immobile. I think those two things don't pair well with the defense the Jags have.
Yeah, I think they'll be priced out of  Cousins. Alex Smith would fit really well. 

 
https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/936326807963369473

@NFLReasearch :

The @Jaguars are the only team ranked top 5 in point differential, turnover differential, yardage differential, and sack differential this season

The last team to rank top 5 in all of those categories was the 2007 Patriots (went 16-0, lost in Super Bowl)
Because I am an Eagles fan, and because they are having a really good season, I compared these stats between the two teams. Jax: +10 Turnovers, ranked 2nd, +101 points, ranked 4th, +740 yards, ranked 5th, +22 sacks, ranked 2nd. Eagles: +9 Turnovers, ranked 3rd, +160 points, ranked 1st, +980 yards, ranked 1st, +6 sacks, ranked 10th. So Jacksonville has a slightly better defense which has generated 3 more turnovers and 10 more sacks than the Eagles. But the Eagles move the ball better which has resulted in more yardage gained and more points scored than Jacksonville. Jacksonville can run the ball but obviously the big difference in the two teams is Wentz and Bortles.

I wish Jacksonville well in the playoffs, but have a hard time seeing Jacksonville beating the Steelers or the Patriots when they stack the box and force Bortles to beat them with his arm. Of course the Eagles are far from guaranteed getting to the Super Bowl, but I do like the fact that they have very few obvious weaknesses and they are in good position to get home field advantage in the playoffs.

 
Because I am an Eagles fan, and because they are having a really good season, I compared these stats between the two teams. Jax: +10 Turnovers, ranked 2nd, +101 points, ranked 4th, +740 yards, ranked 5th, +22 sacks, ranked 2nd. Eagles: +9 Turnovers, ranked 3rd, +160 points, ranked 1st, +980 yards, ranked 1st, +6 sacks, ranked 10th. So Jacksonville has a slightly better defense which has generated 3 more turnovers and 10 more sacks than the Eagles. But the Eagles move the ball better which has resulted in more yardage gained and more points scored than Jacksonville. Jacksonville can run the ball but obviously the big difference in the two teams is Wentz and Bortles.

I wish Jacksonville well in the playoffs, but have a hard time seeing Jacksonville beating the Steelers or the Patriots when they stack the box and force Bortles to beat them with his arm. Of course the Eagles are far from guaranteed getting to the Super Bowl, but I do like the fact that they have very few obvious weaknesses and they are in good position to get home field advantage in the playoffs.
I think all rational Jags fans accept that Bortles will prevent a run in the playoffs. You can only hide his play for so long.

Until that comes, I'm enjoying the hell out of this ride. 

 
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With today's win, the Jags equal their last two seasons worth of wins. Also, this win ensures Paul Posluszny's first non-losing season in his entire career.

Also, winning is more fun than losing, imo. 

 
@ryanohalloran: Updated #Jaguars through-13-games-in-team-stuff

Third-fewest points allowed (202)
Fourth-most points (229)
Second-best point differential (+127)
Second-most sacks (47)
Most interceptions (19)
Most takeaways (30)

 
Still can't understand how Bennett didn't get ejected for going after Linders knees multiple times.  

Enough with the going for the fumbled snap noise.

 
Still can't understand how Bennett didn't get ejected for going after Linders knees multiple times.  

Enough with the going for the fumbled snap noise.
“Honestly, I think if you dive at someone else’s legs, you’re a little (expletive). If you are big in the NFL, you just line up and play — why you got to cut someone on the (expletive) play? I mean, I don’t know. That (expletive) is just stupid to me. Why cut somebody when you can just line up and win? I don’t know. I don’t come off the ball jumping at offensive linemen’s legs.”

- Michael Bennett, Oct 2016

 
As a Packer fan I would like to thank JAX for taking care of business.  It's too bad the Vikings could not do the same.  We Packers are going to need a few dominoes to fall our way to make the playoffs, but your win was  a start.

BTW, I see Bortles stats from afar, I don't watch your games, but he seems to have found something this year, or am I deluded?

 
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As a packer fan I would like to thank JAX for taking care of business.  It's too bad the Vikings could not do the same.  We packers are going to need a few dominoes to fall our way to make the playoffs, but your 2win was  a start.

BTW, I see Bortles stats from afar, I don't watch your games, but he seems to have found something this year, or am I deluded?
He's had more good games than bad this year and he's been fantastic in the last two games. He really looks comfortable back there right now.

I still have no idea what to make of him though, as Bad Blake shows up from time to time.

 
Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

No Seahawks players will be suspended for Sunday's actions against Jacksonville, though NFL still reviewing melee under standard process, per league official.

4:13 PM - Dec 11, 2017

 
Jaguars statement

The Jacksonville Jaguars in no way condone the behavior of a small group of fans that occurred at the conclusion of Sunday’s Jaguars vs. Seahawks game, which involved the throwing of several items on to the field in the direction of a visiting player.

Immediately following the conclusion of the game, a thorough examination of the incident was initiated involving the Jaguars, NFL Security, the stadium management company (SMG), the Jacksonville Sherriff’s Office and the stadium security company (SAFE Management). While the investigation continues, the group has reviewed video footage and interviewed fans and staff who were in the vicinity. During the incident, four individuals threw five objects from the stands. These objects included plastic cups with ice and liquid, a bag of popcorn and a plastic bottle. In accordance with the Jaguars’ Fan Code of Conduct, these individuals are being identified and will be contacted. If they are Jaguars season ticket holders they will immediately have their season ticket member privileges revoked indefinitely. Those purchasing single game tickets will indefinitely lose the option to purchase tickets for future games through the Jaguars and our affiliates. In addition, each will be banned from attending Jaguars games in the future.

We’re grateful for the immediate response by stadium security personnel to the situation. The Jacksonville Jaguars and our stadium partners are firmly committed to creating a safe and enjoyable experience for all who visit EverBank Field, including fans and members of the visiting team. It is unfortunate that the actions of a few would tarnish the reputation of the Jaguars fan base and the positive, electric game day atmosphere at yesterday’s game. EverBank Field is well-known around the league for its world-class game day experience and the manner in which visiting fans are treated. In advance of this Sunday’s final regular season home game we want to remind our fans of the Fan Code of Conduct and encourage them to enjoy the game by showing proper respect to others

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This x1000

Zach Goodall‏ @zach_goodall 7h7 hours ago

I'd figure like 95% of @Jaguars are in favor of having teal as the primary jersey color again. Listen to the fans guys.

 
Keelan Cole is fast

Ethan Young‏ @NFLDrafter

Fastest Ball Carriers of Week 14 so far:

1. Tyreek Hill: 20.78 MPH

2. Keelan Cole: 20.68 MPH

3. Travis Benjamin: 20.54 MPH

4. Jonathan Stewart: 20.35 MPH

5. DeSean Jackson: 20.29 MPH

 
JaxBill said:
Jaguars statement

The Jacksonville Jaguars in no way condone the behavior of a small group of fans that occurred at the conclusion of Sunday’s Jaguars vs. Seahawks game, which involved the throwing of several items on to the field in the direction of a visiting player.

Immediately following the conclusion of the game, a thorough examination of the incident was initiated involving the Jaguars, NFL Security, the stadium management company (SMG), the Jacksonville Sherriff’s Office and the stadium security company (SAFE Management). While the investigation continues, the group has reviewed video footage and interviewed fans and staff who were in the vicinity. During the incident, four individuals threw five objects from the stands. These objects included plastic cups with ice and liquid, a bag of popcorn and a plastic bottle. In accordance with the Jaguars’ Fan Code of Conduct, these individuals are being identified and will be contacted. If they are Jaguars season ticket holders they will immediately have their season ticket member privileges revoked indefinitely. Those purchasing single game tickets will indefinitely lose the option to purchase tickets for future games through the Jaguars and our affiliates. In addition, each will be banned from attending Jaguars games in the future.

We’re grateful for the immediate response by stadium security personnel to the situation. The Jacksonville Jaguars and our stadium partners are firmly committed to creating a safe and enjoyable experience for all who visit EverBank Field, including fans and members of the visiting team. It is unfortunate that the actions of a few would tarnish the reputation of the Jaguars fan base and the positive, electric game day atmosphere at yesterday’s game. EverBank Field is well-known around the league for its world-class game day experience and the manner in which visiting fans are treated. In advance of this Sunday’s final regular season home game we want to remind our fans of the Fan Code of Conduct and encourage them to enjoy the game by showing proper respect to others
The fans that threw things have been identified and are now banned from attending Jaguars games.

Nice work. There's no room for that nonsense.

 
We have SCENARIOS

Clinch a playoff berth with:

1. A win vs Texans. OR

2-4. These options should not apply when you're facing TJ Yates.

 

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