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***Official Jays Thread*** They spent $234 Million on this? (1 Viewer)

I like the thought of getting Papelbon. Having an experienced closer would be awesome for this young staff. Also could shorten the game for the starters. Then have Osuna, Sanchez, Papelbon to finish the game.

I would love that!

 
Patrick the Pirate said:
Cliff Clavin said:
I'm not sure how AA doesn't blow out the farm this year for immediate help. He has 3 plausible scenarios:

1) Does nothing, misses the playoffs and is fired.

2) He sells the farm, misses the playoffs, gets fired.

3) Sells the farm, makes the playoffs, keeps his job.

4) Does nothing, makes the playof... :lmao:
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Well... It's going to be either 2) or 3).

This move doesn't make sense if it's the only move they make. I imagine everything on the farm is going to get traded now.

The question is, do they have enough bullets left in the gun to land a front line starter and a closer?
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I agree its likely AA is still gone after the season, but I think he's done a decent job extending this team's competitive window. After the Marlins trade, it seemed so clear that the end was 2016, when all of Dickey/Bautista/Edwin/Buehrle (after this year) would be off the books (barring extensions).

Now, in the last 9 months or so, he's added Josh Donaldson, Troy Tulowitzki, Russell Martin, Devon Travis, as well as some underrated pieces like Smoak, Colabello, etc... all of whom are locked up for years to come.

 
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I sure hope they keep him around. He's made some tremendous moves (Tulo, Donaldson, Wells, Travis & EE/Bautista extensions), some good moves that didn't pan out for some reason or another (Morrow, Rasmus) which outweigh the poor ones (Dickey, Napoli).

 
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Heard that the Jays are kicking David Price tires. Rumour is Norris and others are being asked for.

Hmmmm

 
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A #BlueJays offer of LHP Daniel Norris, LHP Matt Boyd, and CF Anthony Alford may be enough to get David Price from #Tigers.

11:54 AM - 30 Jul 2015

 
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Alford not in the deal per Olney.
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Highlight of the trade IMO. We knew Norris was going, he'll be good if he figures out the strike Zone. Cash in Labourt while he's hot, and I'm not real worried about Sean Nolin 2.0Love trading away all the pitching prospects close to their peak value and holding on to position prospects like Alford, Pompey and young MLB pitchers like Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna, etc...

Thinking long term Osuna and Sanchez will be thought of starters to replace Hoffman/Norris.

 
Stoeten nails it:

What. The. Hell. How awesome is this?

I know, I know, the prospects are going to hurt. Dan Norris could be awfully scary once he’s a little more refined. Matt Boyd is a prospect on the upswing who a lot of people liked, and Jairo Labourt is a big arm. It’s a whole lot of talent to give up for a couple months. But it’s not just a rental, it’s the rental.

It’s David ####### Price. HOLY ####!

And unlike earlier reports, Anthony Alford is not in the deal. And Joel Sherman tells us that no money is exchanging hands here, meaning the Jays are taking on the $8-million or so left on Price’s 2015 salary. THE PLAN WORKED! The Jays didn’t quite spend to their maximum, leaving themselves some wiggle room for just this very occasion, and here it is. Here it ####### is. David Price is going to start for the Blue Jays on Sunday. Jesus Christ on a crotch!

The Jays may not yet be done, either. Which is amazing, but which is definitely going to frighten the hell out of those more inclined towards prospect hugging. But the nature of prospects is that they’re volatile, and they’re polarizing. And nobody knows more about their own than an organization itself.

Perhaps that sounds like I’m making excuses for the wealth of talent that the organization has given away, but really it’s not.

Dan Norris is a guy we’ve watched with a lot of excitement for a long time — ever since he Jays paid him first round money as a second-rounder in the 2011 draft — but this year has been a struggle for him. After changing his mechanics and ironing out a whole lot of kinks in the early days of his pro career, things really started to click for him in the middle of 2013, culminating in his blast through the system last year, dominating at every level.

Maybe the club thought they should move him if the right chance came along, before that glow really started to wear off. A half year trying to be a bit too fine, struggling with command, and failing to attack hitters at the Triple-A level is one thing. A full year, or a year-and-a-half of it is another.

That isn’t to say that it didn’t hurt the Jays to give him up here, because I’m sure it did, but they still gave him up. And they’ve given a pretty good signal this season of what they thought of his current state, passing him over for starts at the big league level that went to Boyd, Scott Copeland, and Felix Doubront.

Then again, the Jays were thought to by higher on Aaron Sanchez than Noah Syndergaard at the time of the Dickey trade, and we know how that worked out.

But I’d also heard that Norris was a guy who the Jays would consider moving for the right Price. And Boyd? He’ll look better at spacious Comerica than he would here, I think. And while it’s not that I disbelieve in his talent or the strides he’s made, my response last week to someone insistent that he was someone that the Jays should hold tight to was: in what universe was he really going to be a major piece here?

It’s possible. It’s definitely possible that he could have been. And it became more possible earlier in the week when Jeff Hoffman was moved in the Troy Tulowitzki deal. But moving him here sure feels like a good risk with, essentially, found money. Dan Norris is a bit of that, too. And Labourt, though he could bite the Jays eventually as well, is the sort of player the Jays have added for the specific purpose of trading — a “sweetener” for the kinds of blockbuster deals Alex Anthopoulos now certainly has a reputation for making.

And, of course, the Jays keep adding and adding to that stockpile all the time. Shi Davidi tweets that one of the reasons the club felt comfortable in making these deals is because they’re also really high on pitchers Jon Harris (their most recent first-rounder), Sean Reid-Foley, and Connor Greene.

The main reason, of course, is that it’s David ####### Price! HOLY ####!

But there are other reasons why this works, too. I wrote about the possibility of this deal happening this morning (Note: prescient!!!), even if I didn’t really believe it would come true, and in it I laid out four more things that might ease the Jays’ pain over dealing away young pitching talent: (1) the fact that the free agent market this winter will be loaded with quality pitching; (2) the fact that surely somebody will look at Tulo, Donaldson, Martin, Bautista, Stroman, and Encarnacion, and forget about the tough stadium and division and see what a chance they have to win here; (3) the fact that the Jays have a whole lot of money coming off the books to add a top veteran free agent; and (4) the fact that Paul Beeston, and “the policy” (whatever that really was), will no longer be around to tie the G.M.’s hands.

The Jays, in fact, may prefer it this way. They may not have wanted a rotation, given their win-now core, that might have in it R.A. Dickey, and beyond that be comprised of Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Osuna, Norris, Boyd, and Hoffman. They might feel a veteran is preferable, and unlike last winter, may actually be in position to add one. And they might not worry about losing some of those competing young arms, as that will create opportunity for these other young ones they’re so high on.

In other words, say what you will about the wisdom of going all-in from where the Jays are in the standings (note: I say, “####### YES!”), but you can see how the pieces might fit and how they might think they this hit to the system, and this strategy of giving up young, cheap talent that seems so backwards in a vacuum, could actually end up being just fine in the end regardless. As well as, y’know, having the added bonus of the sheer ####### joy of HOLY ####### #### DAVID PRICE IS A TORONTO BLUE JAY AND THEY’RE TOTALLY GOING FOR IT AND ####! ####!!! HOLY ####!!!!!

He starts Sunday in place of Felix Doubront. Uh… I think this qualifies as an upgrade in an area of need, yes? If you want to think about it that way.
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A couple questions:

1)Can the Jays offer Price a huge contract?

-I assume they can, but not really sure. Can they offer 30ish?

2)Any chance he signs?

-Gives him a chance to pitch for an awesome lineup, but FAs sometimes are anti-Canada.

 
Zigg said:
A couple questions:

1)Can the Jays offer Price a huge contract?

-I assume they can, but not really sure. Can they offer 30ish?

2)Any chance he signs?

-Gives him a chance to pitch for an awesome lineup, but FAs sometimes are anti-Canada.
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1) yes. Payroll will be pretty low after this season with Buerhle, Romero and possibly Dickey gone. And Rogers obviously has boatloads of cash but then spending it is a different story. He'll likely get over the 7/$210 that Sherzer(sp?)

2) highly doubt.

 
Exactly, lots of cash theoretically there.

Pros:

Great offense again next season

Chance to win again next season

Great city.

Cons:

Tough place to pitch

Teams with even deeper pockets

Places with less tax

Places in USA

Pitchers and even players basically don't ever sign in Toronto for the reasons above, which is why trades for the likes of Donaldson, Tulo, Price are so important. Once players are here, they often want to stay, which is why most of Toronto's big signings, historically, have been players already on the team (Wells, Delgado, Bautista). Russell Martin is kind of an exception, but he's Canadian, which negates it.

The last big name free agent the Jays signed was AJ Burnett. Before that it was?? Roger Clemens?

 
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Updated top 30 Prospects.

Jon Harris is way too high on this list, but Alford, Pompey, Reid-Foley, Pentecost, Vlad Jr, Urena, Greene, Hollon, etc... still a bit there (for now), plus guys like Osuna, Sanchez, Travis were all listed here at the start of the year. Still in decent shape. Hoping if there's no trade for a LF today, we see Pompey called back up in place of Carrera.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Who you hoping for in LF? Revere?
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He's rumoured, I would be fine just calling up Pompey, seems like they would bat him 8th or 9th and let him be solid defensively.

Revere... I'm sure would be a massive upgrade defensively, but I think with his reputation/speed, they'd bat him leadoff, even though he looks like only an average on base guy - I guess he'd replace Reyes in a sense offensively, but I like the lineup with Tulo (or Travis) leading off.

 
Sounds like Revere/Valencia platoon in LF, Smoak/Colabello at 1B. Edwin DH.

Revere will hit 9th.

Price pitches every 5 days regardless of off days.

Gibbons still awesome.

 
Northern Voice said:
Sounds like Revere/Valencia platoon in LF, Smoak/Colabello at 1B. Edwin DH.

Revere will hit 9th.

Price pitches every 5 days regardless of off days.

Gibbons still awesome.
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Pretty damn perfect.

God I hope Gibbons and AA are both back next year regardless of what happens the next couple months.

 
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