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***Official Jays Thread*** They spent $234 Million on this? (2 Viewers)

Northern Voice said:
Parmcat said:
Northern Voice said:
:( :( :(

Danny Valencia DFA'd
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Tough decision, but where would he play? They need a middle infielder like Kawasaki that can field, so they can pinch hit for Goins late in the game.
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Platoon in LF with the not very good Ben Revere.

Plus they have an 8 man bullpen right now.
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Revere lead the national league in hits last year .Also in steals I think .Plus he never strikes out . Doesn't sound too bad to me

 
Parmcat said:
Northern Voice said:
Parmcat said:
Northern Voice said:
:( :( :(

Danny Valencia DFA'd
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Tough decision, but where would he play? They need a middle infielder like Kawasaki that can field, so they can pinch hit for Goins late in the game.
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Platoon in LF with the not very good Ben Revere.Plus they have an 8 man bullpen right now.
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Revere lead the national league in hits last year .Also in steals I think .Plus he never strikes out . Doesn't sound too bad to me
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But never walks.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Parmcat said:
Northern Voice said:
Parmcat said:
Northern Voice said:
:( :( :(

Danny Valencia DFA'd
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Tough decision, but where would he play? They need a middle infielder like Kawasaki that can field, so they can pinch hit for Goins late in the game.
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Platoon in LF with the not very good Ben Revere.Plus they have an 8 man bullpen right now.
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Revere lead the national league in hits last year .Also in steals I think .Plus he never strikes out . Doesn't sound too bad to me
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But never walks.
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Or gets an extra base hit. His career avg/obp/slg are all within .053

 
@ArdenZwelling: Donaldson on whether Wolf should've tossed Volquez : "I dont want him to do that. I thought it was pretty good hitting." #BlueJays

 
Looking at the pictures on Twitter, the lineups this morning are insane. It's long sold out, so there are tens of thousands of people there 4 hours early to get a damned Russell Martin bobble head? Seriously, people?

Anyway, back to back sell outs is nice. Win today could move this team into the 2nd wild card spot, though that needs to be the absolute minimum expectation going forward.

 
Help me understand appealing Sanchez's suspension. He isn't going to get the suspension completely removed. Maybe reduced by a game? Even then, he's gonna be missing games vs the Yankees instead of the Twins. Doesn't make sense. Take the suspension and move on.

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Help me understand appealing Sanchez's suspension. He isn't going to get the suspension completely removed. Maybe reduced by a game? Even then, he's gonna be missing games vs the Yankees instead of the Twins. Doesn't make sense. Take the suspension and move on.
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I read their hope is it gets reduced to two games today, so they had him available to take the wild card spot yesterday and would get him back for the Yankees series - not sure if they have any reason to believe it will play out that way.

 
Northern Voice said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Help me understand appealing Sanchez's suspension. He isn't going to get the suspension completely removed. Maybe reduced by a game? Even then, he's gonna be missing games vs the Yankees instead of the Twins. Doesn't make sense. Take the suspension and move on.
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I read their hope is it gets reduced to two games today, so they had him available to take the wild card spot yesterday and would get him back for the Yankees series - not sure if they have any reason to believe it will play out that way.
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Appeal dropped and will miss a game vs the Yankees. Pretty dumb.

 
When the Jays made their moves at the deadline, a few people commented on how the Jays weren't built for long term and it made sense to make a run for it this year. That of course is nonsense, the lineup is intact for years to come, sure they'll need to add starting pitching in the coming years - but that's no different from this year. Price will be gone after the year, but Stroman will be back and Sanchez and perhaps Osuna will be stretched out. Shi Davidi goes deep on the roster for the coming years here:

Blue Jays in position to contend beyond 2015

TORONTO – The simplistic and trite cliche “all-in” got thrown around a fair bit last week to describe the deadline deals pulled off by Alex Anthopoulos, implying that the Toronto Blue Jays put the franchise’s future on the line with a reckless one-time gamble on 2015.

To be fair, with a total of 11 minor-league pitchers moved in four trades, including gilt-edged prospects Jeff Hoffman and Daniel Norris plus lefty Matt Boyd, who outduelled Johnny Cueto for his first big-league win Wednesday, such an impression is understandable.

Anthopoulos spent some very significant prospect capital.

At the same time, the Blue Jays have a core that can remain largely intact for the next few years, creating the potential for an extended window of contention, though some deft touches will be needed.

The rotation is the primary area with the potential for glaring holes in 2016, as David Price, Mark Buehrle and Marco Estrada are all pending free agents. Hoffman, Norris and Boyd may be missed then, but with Marcus Stroman due back from injury and the ability to stretch out one or both of Aaron Sanchez and Roberto Osuna, the Blue Jays do have a few controllable options.

That’s one reason why Anthopoulos felt he could move so many pitchers, and combined with the opportunity in the standings for the 2015 club’s gifted offence, the time was right to make a push.

"You try to do what’s right for the organization," he said after the deal for Tulowitzki and Hawkins. "That’s probably the greatest challenge. If anybody asks you (about) being a GM, managing the short and the long term, it’s real, real tough."

Managing the long-term means having assets in the farm system, and while the Blue Jays have been significantly thinned out, prospects remain. With all that in mind, here’s a look at how the big-league club is positioned in years to come, along with who is in the minors coming up.

CATCHERIn the Majors

Russell Martin – The marquee catcher is under club control through 2019 and will continue to carry the load, due $15 million in 2016 and $20 million in each of the three years after that.

Dioner Navarro – The excellent backup and occasional DH is eligible for free agency at season’s end after completing an $8-million, two-year deal.

In the System

Josh Thole – The knuckleball specialist who has spent most of the season at triple-A Buffalo is finishing up a $4.25-million, three-year deal but still has a final arbitration season remaining.

A.J. Jimenez – Long considered the club’s catcher of the future, his progress continues to stall because of injuries, this time June surgery to clean up cartilage in his left wrist cutting his season short.

Max Pentecost – A first-round pick in 2014, his season hasn’t started after a second shoulder surgery in February sidelined him at the beginning, and he’s sitting right now with biceps tendonitis.

FIRST BASE/DHIn the Majors

Edwin Encarnacion – The team holds a $10-million club option on the elite slugger for 2016 that will be exercised, after which he’ll be eligible for free agency. His long-term future is a question the club must address.

Justin Smoak – Will be eligible for arbitration a second time in the fall but will platform off his non-tender number of $2.8 million last year, rather than his $1-million salary. With his cumulative power numbers, his salary could shoot up into the $4-million range, making him a potential non-tender candidate again.

Chris Colabello – The December waiver claim picked up to rake for triple-A Buffalo has been a pleasant surprise and is a 0-3 service time player who won’t be eligible for arbitration until after the 2016 season, at the earliest.

In the System

Rowdy Tellez – The imposing 20-year-old slugger graduated from low-A Lansing to high-A Dunedin by delivering the type of pop expected from his 6-foot-4, 245-pound frame.

Second BaseIn the Majors

Devon Travis – The only blemishes on an excellent rookie season are his two stints on the disabled list and he’s seen as a potential fixture at the keystone with five years of team control remaining.

Ryan Goins – The gifted defender who can play all infield positions and left field, too, is a 0-3 player who won’t be eligible for arbitration until after 2017 at the earliest.

In the System

Jon Berti – The Blue Jays sent him to the Arizona Fall League last year, signalling that he was on their radar, and he’s recently graduated to triple-A Buffalo this season.

Lane Thomas – The fifth-round pick last year has showed well at short-season A Vancouver to push himself into the prospect conversation.

SHORTSTOPIn the Majors

Troy Tulowitzki – The five-time all-star acquired at the deadline is under contract for the next five years, due $20 million from 2016-19 and $14 million in 2020.

In the System

Richard Urena – The 19-year-old has a chance to be a two-way shortstop with some pop, earning himself a promotion to Dunedin from Lansing this season.

THIRD BASEIn the Majors

Josh Donaldson – MVP candidate is under club control for next three years but as a Super 2 will be arbitration-eligible for second time this off-season, when he'll have a chance to earn $10 million-plus.

In the System

Mitch Nay – Is still looking to leverage his raw power more consistently as a swing adjustment hasn’t generated the pop expected during a sideways season at Dunedin.

OUTFIELDIn the Majors

Jose Bautista – The team holds a $14-million club option for 2016 on the superstar slugger that will be exercised, after which he’ll be eligible for free agency. Like Encarnacion, his long-term future will be a key question this off-season.

Kevin Pillar – After stops and starts the previous two seasons Pillar established himself as an everyday centre-fielder. As a 0-3 player, won’t be eligible for arbitration until after the 2017 season.

Ben Revere – The speedster acquired at the deadline is under club control for two more seasons after this one but is headed for his third turn through arbitration in the fall, platforming off a $4.1-million salary.

Michael Saunders – Still has one more season of club control after a sprinkler head ruined his first year in Toronto, and is arbitration eligible.

In the System

Dalton Pompey – Broke camp with the big-league club but struggled, was sent down to double-A New Hampshire, rebuilt himself and is now the club’s only on-the-cusp prospect. Remains a big part of the team’s plans.

Anthony Alford – Made major strides in his first full season devoted to baseball, has impressed with his plate discipline and hitting at both Lansing and Dunedin. Like Pompey, a potential five-tool player.

Roemon Fields – The undrafted free agent continues to be a late bloomer, earning two promotions this year, joining Buffalo on Tuesday. Is a plus runner and defender.

D.J. Davis – The 2012 first-rounder remains abundantly talented but remains raw, showing some progress at Lansing but not enough to graduate yet from his second year at the level.

STARTING ROTATIONIn the Majors

David Price – The recently acquired ace will be one of the premier free agents available this fall, sure to be all the more coveted because the Blue Jays can’t give him a qualifying offer.

Mark Buehrle – The pillar of stability is wrapping up a $58-million, four-year deal he initially signed with the Miami Marlins and retirement is a possibility.

Marco Estrada – A revelation since his promotion to the rotation from the bullpen, the right-hander is setting himself up well for his looming free agency.

R.A. Dickey – The team holds a $12-million option for 2016 on the knuckleballer that it’s likely to exercise so he can provide a stabilizing presence for what’s likely to be a young rotation.

Drew Hutchison – The soon-to-be 25-year-old will be arbitration eligible for the first time this off-season, platforming off what’s been a strangely inconsistent year to this point.

Marcus Stroman – Expected to pitch at the front of the rotation after a knee injury cost him the season, but he returns as a 0-3 player with five more years of club control.

In the System

Sean Reid-Foley – The 2014 second-rounder advanced from Lansing to Dunedin and while he continues to post big strikeout numbers, his walk totals must improve.

Connor Greene – A seventh-round pick in 2013, the right-hander has been up to 97 this season in advancing from Lansing to Dunedin, earning notice in the front office along the way.

Jon Harris – The 2015 first-rounder opened his pro career at single-A Vancouver and has had his ups and downs but is still considered someone who can move through the system quickly.

Also: Matt Smoral, Ryan Borucki, Evan Smith, Tom Robson, Clinton Hollon and Shane Dawson

BULLPENIn the Majors

Roberto Osuna – The 20-year-old rookie has been exceptional in a relief role, and will get some consideration for the rotation next year. He’s under club control for five more years.

Aaron Sanchez – The 22-year-old rookie opened the year in the rotation and was making gains there until a lat injury sidelined him for nearly two months and he returned as a reliever. He’ll be another candidate to start next year.

Mark Lowe – The 32-year-old deadline acquisition is a looming free agent and hits the market after a strong rebound season of back-end bullpen work.

LaTroy Hawkins – A veteran of 21 big-league seasons, the well-regarded right-hander plans to retire.

Brett Cecil – The left-hander has gone from closer to set-up man to closer to lefty specialist/set-up man during an up and down season, and has one more year of arbitration before being eligible for free agency.

Bo Schultz – A waiver claim last October, the hard-throwing righty has progressively earned himself more responsibility, and is a 0-3 player that won’t be eligible for arbitration before the 2018 season.

Liam Hendriks – Reborn as a reliever this season, the right-hander employed a spike in his velocity to great effect out of the bullpen and is still a 0-3 player who won’t be arbitration eligible until after next year.

Aaron Loup – The usually reliable left-hander is struggling through a tough season. He’ll be arbitration eligible for the first time after the season.

In the System

Ryan Tepera – Another converted starter, the rookie right-hander has impressed this season and should be back as a September call-up at the latest.

Steve Delabar – The former all-star right-hander is another victim of the numbers game, performing well during a big-league stint earlier this year. He’ll be arbitration eligible but could be a non-tender candidate depending how the off-season shapes up.
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"Good said:
i know nobody really cares right now, unedrstandably so, but TOR's gotta a lot of work to do in re pitching this off-season. :oldunsure:
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Yes/no.

Sanchez, Hutch and Stroman are locked in. Dickey's option will get picked up unless they sign a big FA. Then maybe Osuna or re-sign Estrada for the 5th spot.

 
Buehrle comes out after 80 pitches / 7 innings, skipping Hutch's next start? We already know Dickey can go on short rest and Price is pitching every 5 days.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
"Good said:
i know nobody really cares right now, unedrstandably so, but TOR's gotta a lot of work to do in re pitching this off-season. :oldunsure:
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Yes/no.

Sanchez, Hutch and Stroman are locked in. Dickey's option will get picked up unless they sign a big FA. Then maybe Osuna or re-sign Estrada for the 5th spot.
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Plus you could offer Buehrle something for a year or 2...considering the year he is having

 
Parmcat said:
Cliff Clavin said:
"Good said:
i know nobody really cares right now, unedrstandably so, but TOR's gotta a lot of work to do in re pitching this off-season. :oldunsure:
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Yes/no.

Sanchez, Hutch and Stroman are locked in. Dickey's option will get picked up unless they sign a big FA. Then maybe Osuna or re-sign Estrada for the 5th spot.
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Plus you could offer Buehrle something for a year or 2...considering the year he is having
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Yeesh.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Parmcat said:
Cliff Clavin said:
"Good said:
i know nobody really cares right now, unedrstandably so, but TOR's gotta a lot of work to do in re pitching this off-season. :oldunsure:
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Yes/no.

Sanchez, Hutch and Stroman are locked in. Dickey's option will get picked up unless they sign a big FA. Then maybe Osuna or re-sign Estrada for the 5th spot.
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Plus you could offer Buehrle something for a year or 2...considering the year he is having
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Yeesh.
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What's wrong with 200+ league average innings?

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Parmcat said:
Cliff Clavin said:
"Good said:
i know nobody really cares right now, unedrstandably so, but TOR's gotta a lot of work to do in re pitching this off-season. :oldunsure:
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Yes/no.

Sanchez, Hutch and Stroman are locked in. Dickey's option will get picked up unless they sign a big FA. Then maybe Osuna or re-sign Estrada for the 5th spot.
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Plus you could offer Buehrle something for a year or 2...considering the year he is having
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Yeesh.
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?

 
LETS GO BLUE JAYS *clap clap, clap clap clap*

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *clap clap, clap clap clap*

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *clap clap, clap clap clap*

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *clap clap, clap clap clap*

 
Cliff Clavin said:
So much for the Yankees having a great offence and the Jays having crappy pitching.
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Yeah, Yankees are a fine team but if Dickey and Estrada can keep pitching like they have (for two solid months now), I'm not sure the Jays have any weakness. Bullpen and defense are both rock solid since the Tulo, Revere, Lowe, Hawkins adds, and obviously the "no #1" thing was addressed with Price.

 
Northern Voice said:
Cliff Clavin said:
So much for the Yankees having a great offence and the Jays having crappy pitching.
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Yeah, Yankees are a fine team but if Dickey and Estrada can keep pitching like they have (for two solid months now), I'm not sure the Jays have any weakness. Bullpen and defense are both rock solid since the Tulo, Revere, Lowe, Hawkins adds, and obviously the "no #1" thing was addressed with Price.
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Hutch. Hutch is the weakness.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Northern Voice said:
Cliff Clavin said:
So much for the Yankees having a great offence and the Jays having crappy pitching.
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Yeah, Yankees are a fine team but if Dickey and Estrada can keep pitching like they have (for two solid months now), I'm not sure the Jays have any weakness. Bullpen and defense are both rock solid since the Tulo, Revere, Lowe, Hawkins adds, and obviously the "no #1" thing was addressed with Price.
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Hutch. Hutch is the weakness.
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Hutch motivates the offense.

 
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