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Official Josh Doctson - WR - Redskins (2 Viewers)

####, I have the 1.1 and 1.2.  I want him, Treadwell and Elliot.  Now I have to try to eliminate one of the 3

 
Andy Dufresne said:
In the same boat. :hifive:
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I don't want to turn this into an assistant coach thread, but We only have to start 1 RB, but 3 WR and while he is coming off knee injury I do have Leveon Bell, so I am strongly considering going WR with both picks.  Only problem with that is behind Bell I have nothing...lol.

 
Borden said:
Coleman could slip in there and I think Boyd could too. Not as likely for Boyd but it's possible. 
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I failed to mention that Zeke (I drafted him), Boyd, Henry and Treadwell were drafted last year sooooo........if Doctson is not there I'll just grab RB Cook for my Taxi squad because he is higher on my board than anyone else in this draft.

Tex

 
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snellman said:
I don't want to turn this into an assistant coach thread, but We only have to start 1 RB, but 3 WR and while he is coming off knee injury I do have Leveon Bell, so I am strongly considering going WR with both picks.  Only problem with that is behind Bell I have nothing...lol.
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Can you flex RB?  Zeke looks like a Forte type back. I really like him a lot. 

 
Borden said:
AJ Green: 4.50, 18, 34.5, 126, 6.91, 4.21, 11.46 @ 6'4" 211 with 34 3/8, 9 1/4

Doctson: 4.50, 14, 41, 131, 6.84, 4.08, 11.06 @ 6'2" 203 with 31 7/8, 9 7/8

Maybe AJ Green lite?
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4.47, 69, £87, 666, 3,65438, Pi, ~infinity, 42 73/65, E=mc2

 
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spider321 said:
4.47, 69, £87, 666, 3,65438, Pi, ~infinity, 42 73/65, E=mc2
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Those are their 40, bench, vertical, broad jump, 3 cone, 20 yard short shuttle, 60 yard shuttle. Then height, weight, arm length and hand size. 

Sorry I forget that not everyone has gone down way too far down this pre-draft rabbit hole. 

 
Borden said:
Those are their 40, bench, vertical, broad jump, 3 cone, 20 yard short shuttle, 60 yard shuttle. Then height, weight, arm length and hand size. 

Sorry I forget that not everyone has gone down way too far down this pre-draft rabbit hole. 
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I am very high on Doctson watching a lot of Big12 football and if you could guarantee :D  me he would be AJ Green lite I would be all over him at 1.02

 
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Treadwell drawing comparisons to Alshon.  Coleman drawing comparisons to Steve Smith or a faster,  quicker Santonio Holmes.  Doctson drawing comparisons to aj green.  All three look like really good prospects and I can see someone putting any one of them first in the NFL draft or dynasty drafts.  

And that's before we get into speed/hands guy fuller, and Boyd, who knows how to get open and catches everything thrown near him.    And a handful of other good receivers like caroo and Thomas who are quality second day guys with wr1 upside.  

Plus an elite 3 down back, a stud big back with speed and running ability,  and some nice looking rb prospects. 

And 3 good looking qb prospects.   

Why are people down on this class again? 

 
bostonfred said:
Treadwell drawing comparisons to Alshon.  Coleman drawing comparisons to Steve Smith or a faster,  quicker Santonio Holmes.  Doctson drawing comparisons to aj green.  All three look like really good prospects and I can see someone putting any one of them first in the NFL draft or dynasty drafts.  

And that's before we get into speed/hands guy fuller, and Boyd, who knows how to get open and catches everything thrown near him.    And a handful of other good receivers like caroo and Thomas who are quality second day guys with wr1 upside.  

Plus an elite 3 down back, a stud big back with speed and running ability,  and some nice looking rb prospects. 

And 3 good looking qb prospects.   

Why are people down on this class again? 
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I agree with with you for the most part as i see this as a very good and deep draft for wrs, I am personally hoping for fuller, boyd or carroo to fall to me at 1.11. I think the big reason that people are down on this class is the outlook for 2017 is huge. There are two big name WRs that i know people are talking about already in mike williams and JuJu smith and then there are like 5-6 rbs that look very special in Chubb, fournette, cook, and perine and then royce freeman, mccaffery, jalen hurd and elijiah hood all have some high remarks on them as well, so there are just bigger names waiting in 2017

 
An NFL scout who spoke with the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel noted that TCU WR Josh Doctson "may have the best hands of the bunch."
Hands hands hands. You'll be hearing a lot about Doctson's hands over the coming two months. Not only for their beautiful nature, but also as NFL squads do their due diligence on the broken wrist he suffered in November. That injury's not expected to have any long-term consequence, though, and Pro Football Focus analyst Steve Palazzolo noted that the 6-foot-2, 220-pound Horned Frog product "has a lot of momentum coming out of the combine" thanks to a 4.50 40-time, a silly 41-inch vertical leap and an equally silly broad jump of close to 11 feet. Another scout who spoke with the Journal-Sentinel compared Doctson to Ole Miss WR Laquon Treadwell, but that's a less-than-perfect comparison. For all of his physical dominance, Treadwell simply doesn't have Doctson's brand of explosivity.

 
 
Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel 
Mar 3 - 2:02 PM
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Some of these guys bust.  Some take a few years to get it.  Some have a bad quarterback early on.  Some change offensive coordinators year after year.   Some get stuck behind quality receivers and don't get am opportunity.  Some get injured.  Some have a good four or five year run and then peter out.  If the biggest issue with Doctson is that his career ends ten years from now then  consider yourself lucky.

 
Fred, if your post is in response to me, that is not my concern. My concern is that since he is older, he is more developed/experienced than his competition which, in my eyes, minimizes his production last 2 years. It's a red flag for me. 

 
bostonfred said:
Treadwell drawing comparisons to Alshon.  Coleman drawing comparisons to Steve Smith or a faster,  quicker Santonio Holmes.  Doctson drawing comparisons to aj green.  All three look like really good prospects and I can see someone putting any one of them first in the NFL draft or dynasty drafts.  

And that's before we get into speed/hands guy fuller, and Boyd, who knows how to get open and catches everything thrown near him.    And a handful of other good receivers like caroo and Thomas who are quality second day guys with wr1 upside.  

Plus an elite 3 down back, a stud big back with speed and running ability,  and some nice looking rb prospects. 

And 3 good looking qb prospects.   

Why are people down on this class again? 
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I believe it's because next year's talent is so damn good it makes this year and the years before look silly. Next year's draft is so deep it makes you want to cry. There will be 1st round studs going in the second round.......let that marinate?

Tex

 
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bostonfred said:
Some of these guys bust.  Some take a few years to get it.  Some have a bad quarterback early on.  Some change offensive coordinators year after year.   Some get stuck behind quality receivers and don't get am opportunity.  Some get injured.  Some have a good four or five year run and then peter out.  If the biggest issue with Doctson is that his career ends ten years from now then  consider yourself lucky.
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I think this is where I agree with you. There's a ton of variables that go into a players career length. If I expect to get 8 years out of a WR instead of 10 I'm okay with that, if I think the 8 year guy has a better chance of success. Realistically, all players have a relatively small chance of being highly productive for 8+ years. 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Fred, if your post is in response to me, that is not my concern. My concern is that since he is older, he is more developed/experienced than his competition which, in my eyes, minimizes his production last 2 years. It's a red flag for me. 
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What kind of numbers would you need to see to not minimize his production?

 
Borden said:
What kind of numbers would you need to see to not minimize his production?
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That's the thing: there aren't any numbers that fix that. The reason is that you want to see these guys do it when they are younger because of their skill/talent, not because they are 23 and dominating 18 and 19 year olds.

Those younger guys who perform at an early age come out of school at an early age.  So why didn't Doctson do what he did 4-5 years ago like a Treadwell did at the age of 18-19? It's a concern, even if a smaller concern, that the only reason he is finally able to do this well is because he's just more physically advanced against his competition.

Very simplistic, but what do you think would happen if you put a 13 year old in an athletic competition against 9-10 year olds? Would it matter how much he dominated? You would expect him to do that and it doesn't matter to what degree he did. But if he couldn't do it against those kids when he was their same age, then maybe he doesn't stand out as much. Guys like Gurley and Cooper were head and shoulders over their competition at the age of 18 and 19. That's why they enter the NFL when only 20 or 21 and why they are so much more appealing. 

 
I understood where you're coming from right away. I don't think the comparison is correct though. I'm sure some of the DBs he faced were 18 but if they were it's because they were better than the older players on their team. He's dominating players his age (seniors) or guys who are even better.

Talking about Doctson specifically, he spent a year at Wyoming then had to sit for a year after transferring. Which doesn't change your point but it is a different view than if he's a RS senior all at TCU. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
My opinion, and that's all it is, is that worrying about a guys age is over thinking it. 
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First, there is data to support some of the above.

Secondly, it's just one piece of a big picture. By itself, it only carries certain weight. But, if you have two guys close in evaluation, it's a definite edge and it's not because of the extra years in the NFL that the younger player will have.

Also, if there are other red flags, particularly a guy that may have only one good year of production and did so as a senior at the age of 23 or 24, then it's a lot more important.

As pointed out above, if it's due to a player having to sit out for a certain reason, then it's much less important as there is another explanation as to why it took him long enough to show off his skill.

None of this is meant to be looked at in a vacuum.

 
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I don't believe it's over thinking. I'm not saying he won't be a fantasy relevant player but I question if he's WR1 material and if he's worth a top 5 pick. I don't feel comfortable picking him where he will probably go. 

 
Borden said:
I understood where you're coming from right away. I don't think the comparison is correct though. I'm sure some of the DBs he faced were 18 but if they were it's because they were better than the older players on their team. He's dominating players his age (seniors) or guys who are even better.

Talking about Doctson specifically, he spent a year at Wyoming then had to sit for a year after transferring. Which doesn't change your point but it is a different view than if he's a RS senior all at TCU. 
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Yes, but the converse is also true.  A guy like Gurley or Cooper is dominating guys his age AND OLDER at the age of 18 or 19.  An older player is only starting to show off his skill set when he reaches that older age. 

Again, it's not to say that older players that come into the NFL can't succeed.  Not at all.  But it is saying that, all other things being equal, give me the younger guy who is balling against players his age and older because that's more likely to translate at the next level.  When you look at most of the elite level fantasy players, they entered the NFL at an early age because they already had success at the collegiate level when they were only 18 or 19.  When you have a player that doesn't break out until they are older, you have to wonder and look at why that is.  Because, if they had done it earlier on, then they were likely entering the NFL at a younger age.

It's helpful to know that Doctson had to sit a year as it gives another reason as to why he may have come out later.  It probably wouldn't have made as much sense for him to come out last year after only one good year in college.

 
This should clear up his age.  He's currently 23 and will be turning 24 later this year:





 




 



 

Josh Doctson ‏@JDoc_son



Finally 22!!! I'm so thankful for my health and God being my light! #Godislove #iguessfeeling22
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http://instagram.com/p/wJfd3mCIKB/ 

 
6:42 AM - 3 Dec 2014




 

 
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Here is a list of some of the top players in fantasy right now and mostly guys that were drafted high:

Dez 21 yo as a rookie
Gronk 21 yo as a rookie
Julio 22 yo as a rookie
Gurley 21 yo as a rookie
OBJ 21 yo as a rookie
Hopkins 21 yo as a rookie
Evans 21 yo as a rookie
Sammy 21 yo as a rookie
Cooper 21 yo as a rookie
AJG 23 yo as a rookie
Jeffery  22 yo as a rookie
A. Robinson  21 yo as a rookie
K. Allen 21 yo as a rookie
B. Cooks 21 yo as a rookie
J. Gordon 21 yo as a rookie
D. Thomas 22 yo as a rookie
A. Brown 22 yo as a rookie
K. Benjamin 23 yo as a rookie

As you can see, the theme is that most of the guys came in as 21 yo rookies because they performed well in college at a young age.  Yes, there are a couple exceptions like AJG and Benjamin, which came in about the same age as Doctson will be coming in.  But there's a reason that list is filled with younger guys.  So, when you've got a guy like Treadwell who has been talked about already for 2 years and is still only 20 years old, that is a major plus on his side compared to Doctson.  Again, it doesn't mean Doctson can't do well, but it's foolish to dismiss that as nothing when there's a clear trend that favors players that come into the league when they are younger.  And none of this has anything to do with their longevity in the NFL both for real and for fantasy purposes. 

 
Yes, technically AJ Green was 23 when he was a rookie, but he had JUST turned 23 the week before the regular season started.

Doctson is 8 months older than Green was as a rookie.

 
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I'd be much more concerned if Treadwell were 24.  Mediocre measurables, and his college success and big frame would be less impressive if he was the oldest guy on the field. 

Doctson tested out really well in all measurables,  though,  and needs to learn NFL receiver skills.  Less of a concern imo.

good discussion though

 
bostonfred said:
I'd be much more concerned if Treadwell were 24.  Mediocre measurables, and his college success and big frame would be less impressive if he was the oldest guy on the field. 

Doctson tested out really well in all measurables,  though,  and needs to learn NFL receiver skills.  Less of a concern imo.

good discussion though
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And consider the fact that despite his mediocre athletic measurables, Treadwell was able to stand out as an 18 yo in the SEC is yet another reason why he's such a good prospect.

 
Gian Marco - thanks for typing out what I didn't. Traveling and on an iPad led to lazy explanations from me. Hate typing on mobile devices. 

 
Yea adjusting for age is mostly an accepted practice in scouting. The data supports the idea that a dominant season from a 19 year old is significantly more predictive of success than a dominant season from a 22 year old (and that an outlier-type season at 22 is a red flag). It also makes sense intuitively imo.

 
There are more WR who have entered the league at an older age and become successful in the NFL than those listed by Gian. For example John Brown of the Cardinals was largely overlooked in the 2014 draft class because he was an older rookie. He seems to be doing alright. I am sure there are others as well.

I am not sure about the WR as I haven't looked into this as deeply for them as I have the RB, but when 70% or more of the population is in the 20-22 years old category you are going to have any question or analysis show successful players from this group. It is more unusual for a rookie to be 23 years old or older than the other age groups.

 
gianmarco said:
Here is a list of some of the top players in fantasy right now and mostly guys that were drafted high:

Dez 21 yo as a rookie
Gronk 21 yo as a rookie
Julio 22 yo as a rookie
Gurley 21 yo as a rookie
OBJ 21 yo as a rookie
Hopkins 21 yo as a rookie
Evans 21 yo as a rookie
Sammy 21 yo as a rookie
Cooper 21 yo as a rookie
AJG 23 yo as a rookie
Jeffery  22 yo as a rookie
A. Robinson  21 yo as a rookie
K. Allen 21 yo as a rookie
B. Cooks 21 yo as a rookie
J. Gordon 21 yo as a rookie
D. Thomas 22 yo as a rookie
A. Brown 22 yo as a rookie
K. Benjamin 23 yo as a rookie

As you can see, the theme is that most of the guys came in as 21 yo rookies because they performed well in college at a young age.  Yes, there are a couple exceptions like AJG and Benjamin, which came in about the same age as Doctson will be coming in.  But there's a reason that list is filled with younger guys.  So, when you've got a guy like Treadwell who has been talked about already for 2 years and is still only 20 years old, that is a major plus on his side compared to Doctson.  Again, it doesn't mean Doctson can't do well, but it's foolish to dismiss that as nothing when there's a clear trend that favors players that come into the league when they are younger.  And none of this has anything to do with their longevity in the NFL both for real and for fantasy purposes. 
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There's more younger guys because most graduate from high school and go straight to college (most with a scholarship) while fewer either start college late, start off at a JC the to a four year college or leave school to come back later to play football.

Two cents,

Tex

 
BigTex said:
There's more younger guys because most graduate from high school and go straight to college (most with a scholarship) while fewer either start college late, start off at a JC the to a four year college or leave school to come back later to play football.

Two cents,

Tex
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The vast majority of guys with NFL-level talent don't go to JC or leave school and come back later.  These guys are oftentimes recognized early on.  Which again points to why you need to figure out why an older prospect is coming into the league at an older age.

 
Biabreakable said:
There are more WR who have entered the league at an older age and become successful in the NFL than those listed by Gian. For example John Brown of the Cardinals was largely overlooked in the 2014 draft class because he was an older rookie. He seems to be doing alright. I am sure there are others as well.

I am not sure about the WR as I haven't looked into this as deeply for them as I have the RB, but when 70% or more of the population is in the 20-22 years old category you are going to have any question or analysis show successful players from this group. It is more unusual for a rookie to be 23 years old or older than the other age groups.
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Of course there are more WR who entered the league at an older age.  I already stated that it isn't a foregone conclusion that he won't succeed just because of his age.  It's just that he would be in the minority and it shouldn't be something to completely disregard as some were stating you should earlier on (i.e. his age doesn't matter).  His age does matter. 

The best way to look at this is to get a full list of WRs who came into the NFL at age 23+ and see how well they fared.  And no offense to John Brown, but I'd like my top 4 rookie pick to be a bit better than John Brown.

Don't get me wrong--I like Doctson.  But there is a reason his age has been brought up and I'm trying to explain why that might be.

 
Yeah I agree the age is relevant. I have read some pretty good stuff on the subject over the past few years.

I will try to do a study for WR similar to what I did for the RB at some point (likely not soon). For the RB it was less than 10% of the top 150 performers came from the older than 23 years category. 

21 years old 45 Players 30%

22 years old 60 Players 40%

23 years old 34 Players 22.6%

24 years old 9 Players 6%

I think the WR group at 23 years old may be higher than it is for RB

At the same time the whole analysis could be flawed because of selection bias. It is more common for rookie players who are drafted to be 22 years old or younger.

 
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Here is a list of players that were 24 on Dec 31st (like Doctson will be) in their 1st year in the NFL over the last 10 years.  Other than John Brown and Victor Cruz, I don't see any other fantasy relevant WRs out of 160 names.  And even Brown remains to be seen as he's not someone that I would consider remotely WR1 type territory.

You can draw your own conclusions:


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


1


Anthony Armstrong


2010


27


 


WAS


NFL


15


11


86


44


871


19.80


3


58.1


51.2%


10.13


2


Terrance Williams


2013


24


3-74


DAL


NFL


16


8


74


44


736


16.73


5


46.0


59.5%


9.95


3


John Brown


2014


24


3-91


ARI


NFL


16


5


102


48


696


14.50


5


43.5


47.1%


6.82


4


Austin Collie


2009


24


4-127


IND


NFL


16


5


89


60


676


11.27


7


42.3


67.4%


7.60


5


Donnie Avery


2008


24


2-33


STL


NFL


15


12


102


53


674


12.72


3


44.9


52.0%


6.61


6


Jordan Shipley


2010


25


3-84


CIN


NFL


15


4


74


52


600


11.54


3


40.0


70.3%


8.11


7


Rod Streater


2012


24


 


OAK


NFL


16


2


74


39


584


14.97


3


36.5


52.7%


7.89


8


Brandon LaFell


2010


24


3-78


CAR


NFL


14


2


77


38


468


12.32


1


33.4


49.4%


6.08


9


Kenbrell Thompkins


2013


25


 


NWE


NFL


12


8


69


32


466


14.56


4


38.8


46.4%


6.75


10


Hank Baskett


2006


24


 


PHI


NFL


16


5


42


22


464


21.09


2


29.0


52.4%


11.05


11


Chansi Stuckey


2008


25


7-235


NYJ


NFL


15


2


45


32


359


11.22


3


23.9


71.1%


7.98


12


Ruvell Martin


2006


24


 


GNB


NFL


13


3


43


21


358


17.05


1


27.5


48.8%


8.33


13


David Nelson


2010


24


 


BUF


NFL


15


3


47


31


353


11.39


3


23.5


66.0%


7.51


14


Harry Douglas


2008


24


3-84


ATL


NFL


16


0


39


23


320


13.91


1


20.0


59.0%


8.21


15


Ryan Broyles


2012


24


2-54


DET


NFL


10


3


32


22


310


14.09


2


31.0


68.8%


9.69


16


Danario Alexander


2010


24


 


STL


NFL


8


2


37


20


306


15.30


1


38.3


54.1%


8.27


17


Robert Meachem


2008


24


1-27


NOR


NFL


14


3


20


12


289


24.08


3


20.6


60.0%


14.45


18


Andrew Hawkins


2011


25


 


CIN


NFL


13


0


34


23


263


11.43


0


20.2


67.6%


7.74


19


John Standeford


2008


26


 


DET


NFL


9


4


34


15


244


16.27


0


27.1


44.1%


7.18


20


Mike Sims-Walker


2008


24


3-79


JAX


NFL


9


1


30


16


217


13.56


0


24.1


53.3%


7.23


 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


21


Justin Hardy


2015


24


4-107


ATL


NFL


9


1


36


21


194


9.24


0


21.6


58.3%


5.39


22


Syndric Steptoe


2008


24


7-234


CLE


NFL


16


5


41


19


182


9.58


0


11.4


46.3%


4.44


23


Ben Obomanu


2007


24


7-249


SEA


NFL


13


0


29


12


180


15.00


1


13.8


41.4%


6.21


24


Lance Long


2009


24


 


2TM


NFL


8


1


38


20


178


8.90


0


22.3


52.6%


4.68


25


Keenan Burton


2008


24


4-128


STL


NFL


13


1


29


13


172


13.23


1


13.2


44.8%


5.93


26


Chastin West


2011


24


 


JAX


NFL


12


1


27


13


163


12.54


2


13.6


48.1%


6.04


27


Dontrelle Inman


2014


25


 


SDG


NFL


7


0


17


12


158


13.17


0


22.6


70.6%


9.29


28


John Broussard


2007


24


7-229


JAX


NFL


8


0


12


4


126


31.50


1


15.8


33.3%


10.50


29


Chad Hall


2010


24


 


PHI


NFL


8


1


18


11


115


10.45


1


14.4


61.1%


6.39


30


Kevin Elliott


2012


24


 


2TM


NFL


13


1


31


10


108


10.80


0


8.3


32.3%


3.48


31


Jarett Dillard


2009


24


5-144


JAX


NFL


7


0


8


6


106


17.67


0


15.1


75.0%


13.25


32


Ricardo Lockette


2011


25


 


SEA


NFL


2


0


4


2


105


52.50


1


52.5


50.0%


26.25


33


Kevin Norwood


2014


25


4-123


SEA


NFL


9


2


10


9


102


11.33


0


11.3


90.0%


10.20


34


Marques Hagans


2007


25


5-144


STL


NFL


4


1


15


8


101


12.63


0


25.3


53.3%


6.73


35


Stephen Williams


2010


24


 


ARI


NFL


11


3


23


9


101


11.22


0


9.2


39.1%


4.39


36


Dominique Zeigler


2008


24


 


SFO


NFL


8


0


8


5


97


19.40


0


12.1


62.5%


12.13


37


Steve Breaston


2007


24


5-142


ARI


NFL


16


0


14


8


92


11.50


0


5.8


57.1%


6.57


38


Danny Woodhead


2009


24


 


NYJ


NFL


10


0


14


8


87


10.88


0


8.7


57.1%


6.21


39


Adrian Arrington


2010


25


7-237


NOR


NFL


1


0


9


7


79


11.29


0


79.0


77.8%


8.78


40


Nate Hughes


2009


24


 


JAX


NFL


8


0


12


5


70


14.00


1


8.8


41.7%


5.83


 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


41


Brandon Middleton


2007


26


 


DET


NFL


5


0


10


8


70


8.75


1


14.0


80.0%


7.00


42


Craphonso Thorpe


2007


24


4-116


IND


NFL


5


0


20


12


70


5.83


1


14.0


60.0%


3.50


43


Legedu Naanee


2007


24


5-172


SDG


NFL


13


0


13


8


69


8.63


0


5.3


61.5%


5.31


44


Ryan Grant


2014


24


5-142


WAS


NFL


16


2


15


7


68


9.71


0


4.3


46.7%


4.53


45


Limas Sweed


2008


24


2-53


PIT


NFL


11


0


10


6


64


10.67


0


5.8


60.0%


6.40


46


Mardy Gilyard


2010


24


4-99


STL


NFL


11


2


16


6


63


10.50


0


5.7


37.5%


3.94


47


Paris Warren


2006


24


7-225


TAM


NFL


8


0


7


5


63


12.60


0


7.9


71.4%


9.00


48


Roberto Wallace


2010


24


 


MIA


NFL


12


0


10


6


62


10.33


0


5.2


60.0%


6.20


49


Kenny Moore


2009


24


5-136


CAR


NFL


12


1


11


6


59


9.83


0


4.9


54.5%


5.36


50


Devon Wylie


2012


24


4-107


KAN


NFL


6


1


12


6


53


8.83


0


8.8


50.0%


4.42


51


Michael Jennings


2006


27


 


NYG


NFL


8


0


8


5


49


9.80


0


6.1


62.5%


6.13


52


Tyler Clutts


2011


27


 


CHI


NFL


16


8


10


8


48


6.00


0


3.0


80.0%


4.80


53


Patrick Edwards


2013


25


 


DET


NFL


4


2


11


5


46


9.20


0


11.5


45.5%


4.18


54


Kevin Smith


2015


24


 


SEA


NFL


7


1


5


3


43


14.33


0


6.1


60.0%


8.60


55


Toney Clemons


2012


24


7-231


JAX


NFL


4


0


11


3


41


13.67


0


10.3


27.3%


3.73


56


Anthony Mix


2007


24


 


2TM


NFL


9


0


5


3


39


13.00


0


4.3


60.0%


7.80


57


Yamon Figurs


2007


24


3-74


BAL


NFL


14


0


3


1


36


36.00


0


2.6


33.3%


12.00


58


DeMarco Sampson


2011


26


7-249


ARI


NFL


12


0


8


3


36


12.00


0


3.0


37.5%


4.50


59


Marko Mitchell


2009


24


7-243


WAS


NFL


10


0


7


4


32


8.00


0


3.2


57.1%


4.57


60


Brandon London


2008


24


 


MIA


NFL


14


1


6


3


30


10.00


0


2.1


50.0%


5.00


 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


61


Cecil Shorts


2011


24


4-114


JAX


NFL


10


0


12


2


30


15.00


1


3.0


16.7%


2.50


62


Bryan Walters


2011


24


 


SDG


NFL


4


0


4


3


27


9.00


0


6.8


75.0%


6.75


63


Jeff Webb


2006


24


6-190


KAN


NFL


10


0


4


3


23


7.67


0


2.3


75.0%


5.75


64


Clyde Gates


2011


25


4-111


MIA


NFL


15


0


 


2


19


9.50


0


1.3


 


 


65


Chris McFoy


2007


24


 


OAK


NFL


3


0


2


1


19


19.00


0


6.3


50.0%


9.50


66


Steve Sanders


2008


26


 


CLE


NFL


5


0


5


1


18


18.00


0


3.6


20.0%


3.60


67


Chris Francies


2006


24


 


GNB


NFL


7


0


5


2


16


8.00


0


2.3


40.0%


3.20


68


Jordan White


2012


24


7-244


NYJ


NFL


3


0


3


1


13


13.00


0


4.3


33.3%


4.33


69


Emmanuel Arceneaux


2011


24


 


MIN


NFL


3


0


2


1


10


10.00


0


3.3


50.0%


5.00


70


James Adkisson


2006


26


 


OAK


NFL


2


0


2


1


9


9.00


0


4.5


50.0%


4.50


71


Jaymar Johnson


2009


25


6-193


MIN


NFL


6


0


1


1


9


9.00


0


1.5


100.0%


9.00


72


Quinten Lawrence


2009


25


6-175


KAN


NFL


6


1


2


1


9


9.00


0


1.5


50.0%


4.50


73


Paul Hubbard


2010


25


6-191


BUF


NFL


1


1


3


1


8


8.00


0


8.0


33.3%


2.67


74


Paul Williams


2008


25


3-80


TEN


NFL


5


0


3


1


7


7.00


0


1.4


33.3%


2.33


75


Dallas Baker


2008


26


7-227


PIT


NFL


8


0


2


1


6


6.00


0


0.8


50.0%


3.00


76


Manuel Johnson


2010


24


7-229


DAL


NFL


2


0


5


1


6


6.00


0


3.0


20.0%


1.20


77


Charly Martin


2009


25


 


CAR


NFL


7


0


2


1


6


6.00


0


0.9


50.0%


3.00


78


Chris Davis


2007


24


 


NYJ


NFL


2


0


1


1


3


3.00


0


1.5


100.0%


3.00


79


Gary Banks


2010


29


 


SDG


NFL


2


2


3


1


2


2.00


0


1.0


33.3%


0.67


80


Jared Abbrederis


2014


24


5-176


GNB


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


81


Jake Allen


2009


24


 


2TM


NFL


3


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


82


Joe Anderson


2012


24


 


CHI


NFL


3


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


83


Shaun Bodiford


2006


24


 


2TM


NFL


6


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


84


Lamont Bryant


2012


24


 


CAR


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


85


Chad Bumphis


2013


24


 


2TM


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


86


Greg Camarillo


2006


24


 


SDG


NFL


4


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


87


Brandon Carswell


2013


24


 


SFO


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


88


Jason Carter


2006


24


 


MIN


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


89


Arceto Clark


2013


24


 


2TM


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


90


Danny Coale


2012


24


5-152


DAL


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


91


Kain Colter


2014


24


 


MIN


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


92


Damian Copeland


2014


24


 


JAX


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


93


Sederrik Cunningham


2013


24


 


GNB


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


94


Airese Currie


2006


24


5-140


CHI


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


95


Britt Davis


2010


24


 


DEN


NFL


3


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


96


Reggie Dunn


2013


24


 


2TM


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


97


Mike Espy


2006


24


 


WAS


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


98


Eric Fowler


2009


25


 


DET


NFL


3


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


99


Michael Gasperson


2007


25


 


PHI


NFL


1


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


100


Chas Gessner


2007


26


 


TAM


NFL


1


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 




 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


101


Sam Giguere


2009


24


 


IND


NFL


1


0


2


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


102


Brittan Golden


2012


24


 


JAX


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


103


Roy Hall


2007


24


5-169


IND


NFL


3


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


104


Chris Harper


2013


24


4-123


2TM


NFL


4


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


105


Justin Harper


2009


24


7-215


BAL


NFL


2


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


106


Dwayne Harris


2011


24


6-176


DAL


NFL


7


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


107


Travis Harvey


2014


24


 


3TM


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


108


Mike Hass


2007


24


6-171


CHI


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


109


Joe Hastings


2011


24


 


SFO


NFL


1


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


110


Micah Hatfield


2014


25


 


SDG


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


111


Junior Hemingway


2012


24


7-238


KAN


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


112


Caleb Holley


2014


24


 


BUF


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


113


Jesse Holley


2010


26


 


DAL


NFL


12


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


114


Trindon Holliday


2011


25


6-197


HOU


NFL


1


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


115


Jeremy Horne


2010


24


 


KAN


NFL


3


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


116


Carlin Isles


2013


24


 


DET


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


117


Darnell Jenkins


2008


26


 


HOU


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


118


Greg Jenkins


2013


24


 


OAK


NFL


6


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


119


Justin Jenkins


2007


27


 


BUF


NFL


11


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


120


Adam Jennings


2006


24


6-184


ATL


NFL


15


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


121


Charles Johnson


2013


24


 


2TM


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


122


Dwight Jones


2013


24


 


NYJ


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


123


Nate Jones


2009


24


 


STL


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


124


Onrea Jones


2010


27


 


ARI


NFL


2


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


125


Jordan Kent


2008


24


6-210


SEA


NFL


9


1


7


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


126


Lance Lewis


2013


25


 


2TM


NFL


3


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


127


Maurice Mann


2006


24


5-149


MIN


NFL


1


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


128


Chris Matthews


2014


25


 


SEA


NFL


3


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


129


John Matthews


2010


24


 


JAX


NFL


3


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


130


Kerry Meier


2011


25


5-165


ATL


NFL


12


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


131


Aaron Mellette


2013


24


7-238


BAL


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


132


Ifeanyi Momah


2014


25


 


DET


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


133


Kashif Moore


2012


24


 


2TM


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


134


Kendrick Mosley


2006


25


 


CLE


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


135


Dale Moss


2012


24


 


CHI


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


136


Derek Moye


2012


24


 


PIT


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


137


Jamar Newsome


2011


24


 


2TM


NFL


2


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


138


Solomon Patton


2014


24


 


2TM


NFL


13


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


139


Julius Pruitt


2011


26


 


MIA


NFL


9


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


140


Jamaica Rector


2006


25


 


DAL


NFL


1


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


141


Bert Reed


2012


24


 


PIT


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


142


Willie Reid


2006


24


3-95


PIT


NFL


1


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


143


Brandon Rideau


2008


26


 


CHI


NFL


2


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


144


Eron Riley


2011


24


 


NYJ


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


145


James Rodgers


2012


24


 


ATL


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


146


Tray Session


2012


25


 


OAK


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


147


Bobby Sippio


2007


27


 


KAN


NFL


9


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


148


Taj Smith


2010


27


 


IND


NFL


5


0


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


149


Brett Swain


2009


24


7-217


GNB


NFL


6


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


150


Julian Talley


2013


24


 


NYG


NFL


2


0


2


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


151


Nick Toon


2012


24


4-122


NOR


NFL


 


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


152


Todd Watkins


2008


25


7-218


OAK


NFL


8


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00


153


Joe Webb


2010


24


6-199


MIN


NFL


5


2


0


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


154


R.J. Webb


2013


26


 


CAR


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


155


Ernie Wheelwright


2008


24


 


BAL


NFL


3


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


156


Chris Williams


2013


26


 


2TM


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


157


Fred Williams


2013


25


 


KAN


NFL


0


 


 


0


0


 


0


 


0.0%


 


158


D'Juan Woods


2008


24


 


JAX


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


159


Kevin Youngblood


2006


26


 


ATL


NFL


1


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


160


Victor Cruz


2010


24


 


NYG


NFL


3


0


 


 


 


 


 


 


0.0%


 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
In contrast, here is the list of WRs who were 21 on Dec 31st in their 1st year over the last 10 years (like Treadwell will be).  Which list would you rather have your WR on if you believe age doesn't matter?


1


Amari Cooper


2015


21


1-4


OAK


NFL


16


15


130


72


1070


14.86


6


66.9


55.4%


8.23


2


Mike Evans


2014


21


1-7


TAM


NFL


15


15


122


68


1051


15.46


12


70.1


55.7%


8.61


3


Keenan Allen


2013


21


3-76


SDG


NFL


15


14


105


71


1046


14.73


8


69.7


67.6%


9.96


4


Sammy Watkins


2014


21


1-4


BUF


NFL


16


16


128


65


982


15.11


6


61.4


50.8%


7.67


5


Josh Gordon


2012


21


2-1


CLE


NFL


16


13


96


50


805


16.10


5


50.3


52.1%


8.39


6


DeAndre Hopkins


2013


21


1-27


HOU


NFL


16


16


91


52


802


15.42


2


50.1


57.1%


8.81


7


Percy Harvin


2009


21


1-22


MIN


NFL


15


8


91


60


790


13.17


6


52.7


65.9%


8.68


8


Hakeem Nicks


2009


21


1-29


NYG


NFL


14


6


74


47


790


16.81


6


56.4


63.5%


10.68


9


Jeremy Maclin


2009


21


1-19


PHI


NFL


15


13


91


56


773


13.80


4


51.5


61.5%


8.49


10


Kenny Britt


2009


21


1-30


TEN


NFL


16


6


75


42


701


16.69


3


43.8


56.0%


9.35


11


Kenny Stills


2013


21


5-144


NOR


NFL


16


10


50


32


641


20.03


5


40.1


64.0%


12.82


12


Robert Woods


2013


21


2-41


BUF


NFL


14


14


85


40


587


14.68


3


41.9


47.1%


6.91


13


Brandin Cooks


2014


21


1-20


NOR


NFL


10


7


69


53


550


10.38


3


55.0


76.8%


7.97


14


Allen Robinson


2014


21


2-61


JAX


NFL


10


8


81


48


548


11.42


2


54.8


59.3%


6.77


15


Devin Funchess


2015


21


2-41


CAR


NFL


16


5


63


31


473


15.26


5


29.6


49.2%


7.51


16


Donte Moncrief


2014


21


3-90


IND


NFL


16


2


49


32


444


13.88


3


27.8


65.3%


9.06


17


Sidney Rice


2007


21


2-44


MIN


NFL


13


4


53


31


396


12.77


4


30.5


58.5%


7.47


18


Randall Cobb


2011


21


2-64


GNB


NFL


15


0


31


25


375


15.00


1


25.0


80.6%


12.10


19


Rueben Randle


2012


21


2-63


NYG


NFL


16


1


32


19


298


15.68


3


18.6


59.4%


9.31


20


Stephen Hill


2012


21


2-43


NYJ


NFL


11


8


47


21


252


12.00


3


22.9


44.7%


5.36


 


Games


Receiving


Rk


 


Year


Age


Draft


Tm


Lg


G


GS


Tgt


Rec


Yds


Y/R


TD


Y/G


Ctch%


Y/Tgt


21


Jaelen Strong


2015


21


3-70


HOU


NFL


10


1


24


14


161


11.50


3


16.1


58.3%


6.71


22


De'Anthony Thomas


2014


21


4-124


KAN


NFL


12


3


31


23


156


6.78


0


13.0


74.2%


5.03


23


Chad Jackson


2006


21


2-36


NWE


NFL


12


1


19


13


152


11.69


3


12.7


68.4%


8.00


24


Maurice Stovall


2006


21


3-90


TAM


NFL


9


2


13


7


102


14.57


0


11.3


53.8%


7.85


25


Dezmon Briscoe


2010


21


6-191


TAM


NFL


2


0


7


6


93


15.50


1


46.5


85.7%


13.29


26


Sam Hurd


2006


21


 


DAL


NFL


15


2


11


5


75


15.00


0


5.0


45.5%


6.82


27


Dwayne Jarrett


2007


21


2-45


CAR


NFL


7


0


13


6


73


12.17


0


10.4


46.2%


5.62


28


Marquess Wilson


2013


21


7-236


CHI


NFL


10


1


3


2


13


6.50


0


1.3


66.7%


4.33


29


Darvin Adams


2011


21


 


CAR


NFL


2


0


 


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


 


30


Earl Bennett


2008


21


3-70


CHI


NFL


10


0


1


0


0


 


0


0.0


0.0%


0.00

 
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Another interesting point from those 2 lists:  There are actually more than 5x as many WRs coming in at age 24 than there are at age 21.  So this idea that it's far less common than the really young guys is completely opposite.  Most come in at age 22-23.  There's a reason a guy can break into the NFL at age 21 and that list gives you a pretty good idea why that might be. 

And despite that, there are 14 WRs (almost 50%) on that much smaller list (by my count) that have or have had top 10 rankings amongst fantasy owners at some point compared to just 1 on the much larger list (just over .05%). 

Also, 10 of the guys on that 2nd list (33%) had 700+ yards in their first year compared to just 2 guys on the first list (1.2%) with 700+ yards in their first year.  28/30 of the first guys saw some action as a rookie compared to over half the first list never seeing the field in their first year.

 
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According to his Wiki Doctson was born in December 1992 but other sources say he was born in 1993.

According to his twitter account his Birthday is December 3rd but it isn't clear to me if he was born in 92 or 93.

If it was 92 then Doctson just turned 24 years old. If it was 93 then he just turned 23.

 
Biabreakable said:
According to his Wiki Doctson was born in December 1992 but other sources say he was born in 1993.

According to his twitter account his Birthday is December 3rd but it isn't clear to me if he was born in 92 or 93.

If it was 92 then Doctson just turned 24 years old. If it was 93 then he just turned 23.
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I posted above the clarification from his twitter account.  In 2014, he posted he just turned 22.  Your last sentences are wrong completely, though.  It is 1992, but he just turned 23.  He will be turning 24 at the end of this year (2016 - 1992 = 24).


Josh Doctson ‏@JDoc_son


Finally 22!!! I'm so thankful for my health and God being my light! #Godislove #iguessfeeling22
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http://instagram.com/p/wJfd3mCIKB/ 

 
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