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Official Josh Doctson - WR - Redskins (1 Viewer)
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Truebluey
Footballguy
Doctson looked very good tonight. Played nearly all the snaps from what I could see.
Was in and out of his cuts very smoothly all night, made the catches easily.
Got WIDE open in the endzone for an easy TD but unfortunately Kirk was locked in on another target and never saw him . I bet he'll kick himself when he sees the photos of that one.
Pryor dropped an easy catch, still doesn't look the part.
If the Skins can get their O-line healthy it might give Kirk time to make some deeper throws. But they had a LOT of injuries tonight. Bad news. That's all that's holding Doctson back right now I think. He's clearly moving up the depth chart if he's in all the 2-receiver sets.
Was in and out of his cuts very smoothly all night, made the catches easily.
Got WIDE open in the endzone for an easy TD but unfortunately Kirk was locked in on another target and never saw him . I bet he'll kick himself when he sees the photos of that one.
Pryor dropped an easy catch, still doesn't look the part.
If the Skins can get their O-line healthy it might give Kirk time to make some deeper throws. But they had a LOT of injuries tonight. Bad news. That's all that's holding Doctson back right now I think. He's clearly moving up the depth chart if he's in all the 2-receiver sets.
I have felt a disturbance in the force. Have you felt it?
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article180525311.html
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article180525311.html
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Film review this week is going to show at least a few occasions where Cousins should have gotten him the ball. With the passing flowing thru RB/TE, I can see some opportunity for the defense to not focus on Doctson and him break some big plays.
One exposure point is the OL. Really banged up so Cousins does seem to be interested in getting the ball out of his hand.
One exposure point is the OL. Really banged up so Cousins does seem to be interested in getting the ball out of his hand.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
If you haven't read it yet, Doctson is the new X receiver for Washington. Try and get him from people who see the boxscore and think he's a WR4/WR5.
This might be a bold move but I’m loaded @ wr and picked up doctson as an fa weeks ago as a stash. I’m thinking of unloading one of my top WRs like a michael thomas to acquire a Melvin Gordon type Rb to put in my flex. Doctson STILL wouldn’t crack my lineup over hogan, tyfleek, or baldwin other than bye weeks or if he blows up. But I’m feeling a big time blow up vibe in the 2nd half from him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Week seven
Josh Doctson played on 54 offensive snaps (84%) 5 targets 3 receptions 39 yards
The only WR who played more than Doctson was Crowder. Jordan Reed led the team in targets with 10. Reed and Davis led the team is receiving yards.
Stats for the other Washington WR were
Jamison Crowder played on 58 offensive snaps (91%) 6 targets 2 receptions 28 yards
Terrell Pryor played on 30 offensive snaps (47%) 4 targets 2 receptions 14 yards
Jakeem Grant played on 26 offensive snaps (41%) 3 targets 3 receptions 19 yards
This is definitely what we needed to see from Doctson as far as earning playing time. The next step is for him to earn more targets from Cousins and do more with them. As long as he continues to play as much as he did in the most recent game that productivity should come, although Cousins certainly likes throwing to Jordan Reed so as long as he is in the line up I would not expect Doctson to lead the team in targets.
Cousins had 40 pass attempts in this game so Doctsons 5 targets were 12.5% of his attempts. This is a number that needs to go up for Doctson to become a reliable play for fantasy, but Doctsons playing time has certainly moved in the right direction for that to become possible in games ahead if he maintains this level of offensive snaps.
Josh Doctson played on 54 offensive snaps (84%) 5 targets 3 receptions 39 yards
The only WR who played more than Doctson was Crowder. Jordan Reed led the team in targets with 10. Reed and Davis led the team is receiving yards.
Stats for the other Washington WR were
Jamison Crowder played on 58 offensive snaps (91%) 6 targets 2 receptions 28 yards
Terrell Pryor played on 30 offensive snaps (47%) 4 targets 2 receptions 14 yards
Jakeem Grant played on 26 offensive snaps (41%) 3 targets 3 receptions 19 yards
This is definitely what we needed to see from Doctson as far as earning playing time. The next step is for him to earn more targets from Cousins and do more with them. As long as he continues to play as much as he did in the most recent game that productivity should come, although Cousins certainly likes throwing to Jordan Reed so as long as he is in the line up I would not expect Doctson to lead the team in targets.
Cousins had 40 pass attempts in this game so Doctsons 5 targets were 12.5% of his attempts. This is a number that needs to go up for Doctson to become a reliable play for fantasy, but Doctsons playing time has certainly moved in the right direction for that to become possible in games ahead if he maintains this level of offensive snaps.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
His schedule isn't very good ROS, but I guess he needs to truly break out first before worrying about that heh...
Nice post.
Does anyone have thoughts on whether the heavy TE targets were mainly due the Eagles' banged up LB corps vs. Cousins/Gruden consciously not targeting the WRs?
Hmmm...if that's the case it may not bode well for the next 3 games (D.Lawrence/Dallas, SEA, MIN).
cantstop1999
Footballguy
Overated , they spread the ball to much, I’ll pass.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I do think Kendricks was out for this game?PhantomJB said:
That could be part of it. Cousins has targeted Reed over the receivers for a long time though. Davis joined the team last year, so he may have developed more chemistry with him now?
May be somewhat specific to this game, but I do think that has been a tendency overall with Cousins to target Reed a lot.
Yes. Starting Eagles WLB Kendricks out and then MLB Hicks out with ruptured Achilles on 2nd play of game. So mainly backups at LB...IMO part of reason why Jenkins had such a huge game at safety.
I suppose we'll see going forward how things shake out but Doctson appeared to gain good separation most of the night so maybe the targets will come eventually.
kneeshooter
Footballguy
Cowboys (6 - twice), Vikings (14), Saints (12), Cards (4) and Chargers (10) are all in the bottom half of the league in points allowed to WRs, with the Giants (18 -twice) right outside that group. So 8 of their last 10 are against average or worse WR defenses.hamsterdam said:
I do agree though, that he needs to do something with his playing time for any of this to be relevant. But I'm buying on the anticipation that he does.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
His athleticism is certainly not overrated. He ticks a lot of boxes for what could be elite level WR. That being said, his efficiency and usage has sucked to this point. You could do far worse as an end of bench stash/desperation play. Who are you grabbing at the end of your bench? TJ Jones? Bennie Fowler? Taylor Gabriel? His situation has now become exponentially better then anyone on Arizona or Green Bay too coupled with byes.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Hope so. Own him in 1 dynasty. Tried to get him in the other, but owner wanted a 1st rounder + a starter. Too high IMO
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Measurables are very good. in the 90+ percentile in vertical and broad jumps, as well as the 60 yard shuttle. He is not truly lacking in any category. In the 40 percentiles in 10 yard splits, bench press, and arm length, but that is not terrible. The rest of his numbers are very solid.
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/josh-doctson
packersfan
Footballguy
Snap count rise was great to see.
Now let's turn that into a healthy number of targets and we might just have something. There's no question Cousins could use a No. 1 WR. Time for Doctson to show he can be that guy. Matchup this week is fantastic.
Now let's turn that into a healthy number of targets and we might just have something. There's no question Cousins could use a No. 1 WR. Time for Doctson to show he can be that guy. Matchup this week is fantastic.
packersfan
Footballguy
It's brutal after this week assuming defenses view him as the No. 1 WR. If they do he'll facehamsterdam said:
Week 9 Sherman
Week 10 Rhodes
Week 11 Lattimore
Week 12 Jenkins
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Throwing a hail mary WW pickup on this guy. The OBJ injury and Cooper's struggles, and the low production of Alshon Jeffrey, has really killed my team. Really hoping Cory Davis or Doctson does something in the 2nd half. After seeing the preceding post, now feeling like I wasted FAAB, even if it was just $5.
Captain Crunk
Footballguy
I am in the same situation after OBJ. I ditched Tyrell, Darkwa, & Snead for Doctson, JuJu, and Sanu the past 2 weeks. Figured I would cast a wide net and see if one or two will stick. Doctson is my flex with Sanu in WR2 for now.
packersfan
Footballguy
If he blows up this week it will be worth the investment. I'm gonna worry about next week next week. It's very possible he's just a one-week rental for me since the next month looks absolutely awful for him. But if I get the week I'm hoping for with a plus matchup I'll take it and then re-assess.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Ehhhh ... seems like coachspeak but there's a chance Pryor ascends again with a good week.
packersfan
Footballguy
So in the span of a few days Doctson has gone from someone "we drafted to be the No. 1 WR" to sharing snaps with Pryor. Gruden must've been really impressed with Pryor's Monday night drops.
As usual, RotoWorld ignores a pretty important part of Keim's story:
It’s likely that they’ll continue with Doctson starting at the X receiver spot ahead of Pryor. For a long time the Redskins have believed Doctson offered the most talent at receiver, thanks in part to his size (6-foot-2) and athleticism. Pryor is bigger (nearly 6-foot-5) and can run, but is not as natural running routes as Doctson. However, Doctson needs more game experience.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Just letting our hero know there is always somebody ready to take his place
Believe it’s called motivation
packersfan
Footballguy
I've never been a big fan of Jay Gruden as a head coach but the intelligent thing would seem to be to give Doctson a healthy amount of targets and see what happens. Five targets is an upgrade but hardly a number to tell you much of anything. This would seem to be the week where you can really learn a lot about him. The Cowboys have really struggled with outside WRs so this is a plus matchup for him. You'll almost certainly need to throw a lot to win the game since your running game isn't very good. If you give him a legitimate opportunity in a plus matchup and he fails you learn a lot. If he succeeds you may have found something your offense badly needs - a go-to WR.
This seems like a pretty easy move for Gruden to make. But he doesn't always do the intelligent thing so we'll see. I'm still starting him as my WR4. Matchup is too good and this should be a game where Washington throws it a ton.
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I’m torn between starting Doctson or CJ Anderson as my flex.
Also, better handcuff... D Booker or T Pryor, speaking of these two?
NeverEnough
Footballguy
With bye week issues, I might start him over Jared Cook. Not sure yet.
ESPN and Rotoworld as usual spinning original articles their way. Here is the original article from yesterday.
http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Emerging-In-Practice-Josh-Doctson-Could-Have-Bigger-Role-Moving-Forward/9e48de95-6aec-434a-910f-d9e6d41da7b6
This is already old news. And in this article they left out what Cousins said the game plan was. Starting Doctson. Rotate Pryor in maybe every third series to keep him fresh. Infact, ESPN and Rotoworld left a lot out of that article that tells us the plan moving forward.
http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Emerging-In-Practice-Josh-Doctson-Could-Have-Bigger-Role-Moving-Forward/9e48de95-6aec-434a-910f-d9e6d41da7b6
This is already old news. And in this article they left out what Cousins said the game plan was. Starting Doctson. Rotate Pryor in maybe every third series to keep him fresh. Infact, ESPN and Rotoworld left a lot out of that article that tells us the plan moving forward.
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packersfan
Footballguy
RotoWorld is really bad at this, however. They constantly spin a story in ways that run contrary to what the story is actually saying.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
While snaps are a good start and I have shares of Doctson...this is a passing offense that seems to run from the inside out.
What has not occurred yet for Cousins is establishing a trust with his WR’s like he had with Garçon & D-Jax.
What has not occurred yet for Cousins is establishing a trust with his WR’s like he had with Garçon & D-Jax.
packersfan
Footballguy
None of the WRs on the team are as good as those two. Was a pretty bad idea letting both of them go. Should've at least kept one.
