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TLEF316
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for the record, i don't believe UK bought him.But i do believe that there are a whole lot of people around him that are seeing dollar signs. He'll be one and done. Congrats though. Seems to be a very talented kid. GB six inch growth spurts. I gotta think this officially closes the book on Q. Miller to UK. No chance that miller, Gilchrist and davis could all play together (especially considering that guys like Poole and maybe Lamb will still be around in 11-12)jeter23 said:
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jeter23
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I agree on Miller. The same "insider" that first reported that Davis was coming now says LeBryan Nash is next. He is another top 5-10 guy and would certainly close the door on Miller.
TLEF316
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saw Nash play last weekend in the Addidas Nations (it was on CBS college sports network). Very talented kid. College level body, plus athlete, good energy level. Jumper probably needs a little work, but its not bad.Facially, he bears a striking resemblance to Ron Artest.
jeter23
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Thanks, I know nothing about him. Based on the ranking, I would love to have him. Not sure where things went wrong with Miller. He seemed to be a lock until UL hired their new assistant.
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Andre Drummond making some sort of announcement on Wednesday. Either a different prep school or UCONN this year, apparently.
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Mitch McGary narrows to both UM's, UK, UF, UNC and Diewk.
Frostillicus
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The other two UM's.Minnesota?
Frostillicus
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That's ok. I've never head of that guy anyway. They probably didn't even want him.The other two UM's.Minnesota?
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Oh yeah. He's definitely not Gopher-caliber.That's ok. I've never head of that guy anyway. They probably didn't even want him.The other two UM's.Minnesota?
TLEF316
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Looks like Drummond has decided to go hide up at another prep school for a year instead of testing himself in college.
To me, this means two things....
1) He's never going to go to college
2) He's scared of competition.
If I'm an NBA GM, this is a MASSIVE red flag from a makeup standpoint. I sure as hell wouldn't draft a big guy that would rather hang around HS for an extra year with his buddy (5* PG Kris Dunn) than prove himself in the Big East.
As a disliker of the UCONN program, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it though.....
Anyone else watch the Addias Nations the other night? Those Harrison twins from Houston can really play. Plus they are 100% identical. God that's gotta be a pain in the ### to guard. (two 6'5 guards like that, yikes) Big fan of 2013 Chris Walker as well. Kinda looked like a young Bosh out there.
To me, this means two things....
1) He's never going to go to college
2) He's scared of competition.
If I'm an NBA GM, this is a MASSIVE red flag from a makeup standpoint. I sure as hell wouldn't draft a big guy that would rather hang around HS for an extra year with his buddy (5* PG Kris Dunn) than prove himself in the Big East.
As a disliker of the UCONN program, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it though.....
Anyone else watch the Addias Nations the other night? Those Harrison twins from Houston can really play. Plus they are 100% identical. God that's gotta be a pain in the ### to guard. (two 6'5 guards like that, yikes) Big fan of 2013 Chris Walker as well. Kinda looked like a young Bosh out there.
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To be fair, he was thought to be staying in prep school this year anyway.It's been pretty widely circulated that he has a bad motor. Tendency to float outside on offense instead of banging inside with his tremendous size/skill. I think it's a red flag too that he'd rather dunk on 6'2" gangly prep school "bigs" than play big-time college hoops which is going to get him ready. Maybe he's scared of Calhoun, but then why not Calipari? Insanely talented prep athlete receiving poor guidance/advice, film at 11.But...the NBA owners do want to raise the age limit to 20, he might not have anywhere left to hide next year.
TLEF316
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Yeah, I realize most have assumed he'd play HS ball again next year. But the question is.... why?
Prep school will teach him nothing but bad habits at this point, since his massive size and skill level negates any need to develop the finer points of big man play (He's also an AWFUL free throw shooter based on what i saw the other night) Calhoun has a well proven ability to develop lower rated bigs into first rounders,(okafor, Boone, Armstrong, Thabeet, I'm sure I'm missing one or 2) so we can only imagine what he'd do with Drummond.
Either way, this just reeks of a pampered kid who's too scared to leave the nest. If he was born in Europe, he'd be entering his 3rd or 4th pro season by now. Instead, he's gonna play Madden with his buddy and re-take algebra II.
Prep school will teach him nothing but bad habits at this point, since his massive size and skill level negates any need to develop the finer points of big man play (He's also an AWFUL free throw shooter based on what i saw the other night) Calhoun has a well proven ability to develop lower rated bigs into first rounders,(okafor, Boone, Armstrong, Thabeet, I'm sure I'm missing one or 2) so we can only imagine what he'd do with Drummond.
Either way, this just reeks of a pampered kid who's too scared to leave the nest. If he was born in Europe, he'd be entering his 3rd or 4th pro season by now. Instead, he's gonna play Madden with his buddy and re-take algebra II.
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Either he has a fragile ego for some reason, or for the same reason that top picks skip pre-draft camps. Might not be rational in this instance, who knows. My obvious guess is NBA if the age limit stays the same, UConn for one year if it gets raised.Anyway, him getting out of STM is a minor win for Connecticut. Quinn and Calhoun hate each other since and because of Ajou Deng. And I think if he does go to a school, the only one with enough pull to get him out of UConn is UK.
The #1 ranked player in the country, Shabazz Muhammad, #14 player (#3 SF) Kyle Anderson, #26 player (#6 PF) William "Shaq" Goodwin, and #90 player (#20 SF) and UCLA commit, Jordan Adams are all on campus at UCLA on an unofficial visit.
They participated in some pickup games yesterday with UCLA students Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love and their friend, Derrick Rose.
UCLA feels pretty good about Muhammad. Anderson and Goodwin added to commits Adams and PG Dominic Artis would make this an outstanding class (along with Muhammad).
They participated in some pickup games yesterday with UCLA students Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love and their friend, Derrick Rose.
UCLA feels pretty good about Muhammad. Anderson and Goodwin added to commits Adams and PG Dominic Artis would make this an outstanding class (along with Muhammad).
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Isn't Kyle Anderson a PG?Interesting to see Howland kick it into gear re: recruiting. I can't even make it through a Pac-12/10 game these days.
Anderson's a point forward. He's pretty tall for a PG (6-8) and he's apparently not a great athlete. So, while he could probably handle the 1 on offense, there is a great deal of concern about him guarding 1s (and even 2s or 3s) at the next level. But, he's such a great offensive player that you figure out what to do with him later.The Bruins have had some huge misses the last couple years in recruiting, but there's a lot of optimism about the 2012 class. Then again, there was a ton of optimism about their #1 ranked national class of 2008, which has pretty much disappeared and may be one of the most overrated top classes ever (Jrue Holiday, Malcolm Lee, Jerime Anderson, Drew Gordon and J'Mison Morgan).I agree about Pac-12/10 basketball. The conference has not bounced back from the massive amount of talent it lost in that 2008 NBA Draft (Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, OJ Mayo, the Lopez twins, etc.). I've had a tough time stomaching the Bruins the last couple years.
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TLEF316
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I'm not a Kyle Anderson fan. Being a NJ guy, I hear about him quite a bit. I've also seen him play roughly half a dozen times.
Very skilled player. Good ball handler. Great passer. Good footwork, nice feel for the game. But he's SLOW and not very athletic at all. Hasn't shot well in the games i've seen. He won't be able to defend high major guards. He's gonna have to guard 3's.
Also, he was not the best player on his HS team this past year (which isn't exactly a knock considering they won the mythical national title). In most of the games I saw, Anderson basically acted as a ball mover while Myles Mack (5'9 4* guard who will be a frosh at Rutgers this year) scored all the points.
Put Anderson at UCLA with Bazz and some other studs, and I think he could do very well. But if he's ever asked to be a go to scorer, he's gonna be in trouble. I don't see him as an NBA player. Obviously a lot of the experts disagree. I can't believe anyone has him ahead of Rodney Purvis. That dude could be the next Dwyane Wade.
If everything breaks right, he might be kinda like a poor man's Kendall Marshall (He's not THAT good a passer) but with the potential to provide some matchup problems in the post if you put a guard on him. The only differences being that UNC plays faster than most teams, and if Anderson goes to UCLA, his ability to pass and make decisions in the open court could be partially wasted by Howland's system.
Very skilled player. Good ball handler. Great passer. Good footwork, nice feel for the game. But he's SLOW and not very athletic at all. Hasn't shot well in the games i've seen. He won't be able to defend high major guards. He's gonna have to guard 3's.
Also, he was not the best player on his HS team this past year (which isn't exactly a knock considering they won the mythical national title). In most of the games I saw, Anderson basically acted as a ball mover while Myles Mack (5'9 4* guard who will be a frosh at Rutgers this year) scored all the points.
Put Anderson at UCLA with Bazz and some other studs, and I think he could do very well. But if he's ever asked to be a go to scorer, he's gonna be in trouble. I don't see him as an NBA player. Obviously a lot of the experts disagree. I can't believe anyone has him ahead of Rodney Purvis. That dude could be the next Dwyane Wade.
If everything breaks right, he might be kinda like a poor man's Kendall Marshall (He's not THAT good a passer) but with the potential to provide some matchup problems in the post if you put a guard on him. The only differences being that UNC plays faster than most teams, and if Anderson goes to UCLA, his ability to pass and make decisions in the open court could be partially wasted by Howland's system.
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Eastwood
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That makes sense as I'm sure they are sick of seeing their rival win the conference title year after year.Todd_Wright Todd Wright Whoa! Jeff Tarpley of AggieYell.com just told me on air he hears via A&M sources that NORTH CAROLINA may be in the mix as SEC's 14th school.
And no way would they leave the ACC. Jeff Tarpley must be smoking some wacky stuff
Ramblin Wreck
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I don't think UNC would do it but UNC and NC State should by lobbying to go to the SEC before Clemson and FSU do it and force the ACC to implode. The SEC would take them in a heartbeat and expand their footprint to Charlotte and the Triangle. Surprised Va Tech hasn't been more of a rumor to the SEC. FSU and Clemson have large fan bases but don't really expand the SEC's footprint at all.'jeter23 said:Todd_Wright Todd Wright Whoa! Jeff Tarpley of AggieYell.com just told me on air he hears via A&M sources that NORTH CAROLINA may be in the mix as SEC's 14th school.
Eastwood
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Can't wait to see Duke's game today on ESPU! 
Its like Christmas in August!
The first game Duke won and was led by Rivers, Kelly, and Dawkins.
I think Rivers will lead Duke in scoring and be a finalist for freshman of the year. He might be better than Irving
And Ryan Kelly, aka Dirk Jr, is gonna beast this year. Yep, that "goofy white kid" has had the best off-season of any player on the team.
This is the year Duke and UNC will play in the Final Four (if UNC makes it )
Its like Christmas in August!The first game Duke won and was led by Rivers, Kelly, and Dawkins.
I think Rivers will lead Duke in scoring and be a finalist for freshman of the year. He might be better than Irving
And Ryan Kelly, aka Dirk Jr, is gonna beast this year. Yep, that "goofy white kid" has had the best off-season of any player on the team.
This is the year Duke and UNC will play in the Final Four (if UNC makes it
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TobiasFunke
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Priceless.Apparently Kentucky is only attractive to those not interested in academics. Guys like Brandon Knight.
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Time for a crocheting thread?
Apparently Kentucky is only attractive to those not interested in academics. Guys like Brandon Knight.
Players go to Duke if they want a degree. Players come to UK if they want to play in the NBA.TobiasFunke
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Who are you, **** Vitale? Saying you think a kid will end up at Duke because they're big time into academics is arrogant and bad logic at the same time. Smart kids who are academically inclined go to Kentucky all the time. And dumb kids who have no desire to challenge themselves academically go to Duke all the time. Kentucky's players in recent years have been much better NBA prospects than Duke's players. That's why they've had more early entries. But Duke recruits those same kids (for example, Duke pursued John Wall as intensely as they've pursued anyone in recent memory) and when Duke players are lottery picks they declare for the NBA at about the same clip as kids anywhere else.
Apparently Kentucky is only attractive to those not interested in academics. Guys like Brandon Knight.
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Ramblin Wreck
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Did Corey Maggette go to Duke for the education?
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Pretty sure Kyrie Irving had no intention of getting a degree. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
NMYMND
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Georgetown gets in fight during game in China. 
The Washington Post's Gene Wang first tweeted about the incident.
"Chairs were being thrown. Players and coaches had to dodge water bottles hurled from stands."
Thompson pulled his team off the court after fans threw bottles at them.
This from a Georgetown message board:
Two minutes into the fourth, they were pressing full court, trapped one of our guards (I forget who it was), and then must have pushed or punched him on the ground after he made the outlet pass, because then there was a shoving match and then a bit of a fight, and then the whole thing set off. He tried to get away as quickly as possible as the Chinese players sort of converged on him, and then benches cleared, and then people on the Chinese bench started picking up chairs. Everyone on the other side of the court started fighting as well. Brawl spread all over the court, and then off the court. After it kicked off it immediately became possible for the crowd to get involved, and then they did. As we tried to get the team off the court, bottles (plastic ones, thankfully) came out of the crowd at the team and everyone left. Security was there (sort of), but it was more equivalent to mall cop-quality security rather than actual security. The Georgetown staff wanted the security to get on the floor, but honestly these guys didn't have a clue what to do. They escorted the whole alumni contingent out fairly quickly after that. Game over, 64-64 (following another intentional foul).
The Washington Post's Gene Wang first tweeted about the incident.
"Chairs were being thrown. Players and coaches had to dodge water bottles hurled from stands."
Thompson pulled his team off the court after fans threw bottles at them.
This from a Georgetown message board:
Two minutes into the fourth, they were pressing full court, trapped one of our guards (I forget who it was), and then must have pushed or punched him on the ground after he made the outlet pass, because then there was a shoving match and then a bit of a fight, and then the whole thing set off. He tried to get away as quickly as possible as the Chinese players sort of converged on him, and then benches cleared, and then people on the Chinese bench started picking up chairs. Everyone on the other side of the court started fighting as well. Brawl spread all over the court, and then off the court. After it kicked off it immediately became possible for the crowd to get involved, and then they did. As we tried to get the team off the court, bottles (plastic ones, thankfully) came out of the crowd at the team and everyone left. Security was there (sort of), but it was more equivalent to mall cop-quality security rather than actual security. The Georgetown staff wanted the security to get on the floor, but honestly these guys didn't have a clue what to do. They escorted the whole alumni contingent out fairly quickly after that. Game over, 64-64 (following another intentional foul).
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I live in Lexington, not a dookie.I am not saying that no smart kids go to UK, or that Duke does not recruit many of the same players. But, recent history shows that the 1-and-done kids prefer UK (and specifically Calipari) to Duke. Not all, but most.Duke pursued Wall, but where did he go?I think if Coach K had his way, he would not recruit any 1-and-done types because he believes his teams will be better with college veterans than freshmen. Its tougher too find those elite student athletes, but I think if given the choice Coach K would rather get a great prospect that will be around for at least 3 years, than an elite prospect who is almost certainly done in 1 year. Duke has great depth, and that works for them.Honestly, I worry that Coach Cal's approach is too stressful - relying on 4 top-20 recruits every year makes every year a challenge. Don't get me wrong, I am very much looking forward to this year's edition, but you already see people worried about next year's team.
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How does K not have his way? Doesn't he have the final say on recruiting strategy? Doesn't he have enough credibility to employ any recruiting strategy he wants without being questioned by the AD, etc? Pretty sure nobody put a gun to his head and told him to get Irving.Provided that one can get a good haul of the best players the way Calipari does, I think it's the most effective strategy. The problem is that Cal's a pretty mediocre game coach.Granted, this can all change pending the new CBA.
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Pics of Georgetown/China scrap:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/photos-of-georgetown-brawl-in-china/2011/08/18/gIQApHsVNJ_blog.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/photos-of-georgetown-brawl-in-china/2011/08/18/gIQApHsVNJ_blog.html
TobiasFunke
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I really don't understand your argument at all.What does Wall's ultimate decision have to do with the fact that Duke recruiting him heavily, and therefore we can conclude that Duke and UK recruit many of the same kids?Like GPJ, I have no idea what you're saying when you say "if Coach K had his way..." Nobody has more freedom than Coach K. He's a wildly successful coach at a well-funded private university that has a terrible football team. He can do whatever he wants. And he obviously wants to recruit one and dones, end of story.And ultimately I don't know what anything you're saying has to do with my initial argument, which was that a kid's interest in academics wouldn't discourage him from going to UK. That's what Ripwood suggested, and he was wrong.'Sinn Fein said:
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Duke had more NBA early entry/hardship cases than Kentucky before Calipari came along. The 1999 Duke team had more players that bolted early for the NBA than the entire Tubby Smith and Billy Gillespie eras at UK combined.'Sinn Fein said:'TobiasFunke said:
Apparently Kentucky is only attractive to those not interested in academics. Guys like Brandon Knight.
UK is a fine school.If I kid is interested in getting a degree, he is not likely to be high on Calipari's recruiting list.Duke recruited Wall, but Wall chose UK - why? I think it has to do with the fact he saw Calipari as his best ticket to the NBA. He was going to college to get to the NBA, not to get a degree. Brandon Knight was the same thing. Duke was not the right match for their "needs" - in the minds of those players.I am also not putting down Duke or Coach K - they have an excellent program. My point was, that Coach K recruits to win national championships. To do that he has to have elite talent. All things being equal, Coach K would rather have a McDonald All-American who will be in school for 4 years, than one who will only be in the program for one year. Personally, I think that is a better approach for the long-term success of a program. But when you recruit NBA caliber players, you risk that they declare early - my only point was that Duke would prefer the blue-chip who plays for 3-4 years, over the kid who thinks he is ready for the NBA now - not that they don't ever want the one and done.Coach Cal goes after the best talent available, and all things being equal, wants the best talent regardless of a kids academic intent. This creates great recruiting classes, but makes building a long-term program harder.I think coaches and kids are trying to find the right match for their program. If a kid has it in his mind to get a degree while playing college basketball, and he is a blue-chip recruit, he has a better chance of going to Duke, than to UK. Not a knock on either program.This does not mean that UK recruits dummies, or that Duke recruits nerds - simply reflecting the state of each program. I don't think either one is right/wrong, they are just different approaches.
Coach K recruits to win national championships - that requires elite talent - that requires that he recruit one-and-done types, since there are not enough elite talented players who want to stay in school for 4 years to accomplish the national championship goal.If Coach K could find enough 3-4 year elite players to compete for a national title, he would do that (he does that now). I think he does an excellent job of getting many of those athletes to Duke - but when the goal is a national championship, I think he has to look at some players that don't fit that mold to keep the talent level where it needs to be.'Good said:
TobiasFunke
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Yeah, I still don't follow your argument at all. I think part of the problem is that you jumped from "academics are a high priority" to "staying in school for four years is a high priority." They're not the same thing. I hate to keep coming back to Brandon Knight, but he's just too perfect of a counterpoint. It's hard to fathom a kid for whom academics are more of a priority than Knight. And yet he chose UK. So how can we say that a kid for whom academics is a priority might not be inclined to choose UK? Plenty of kids leave early and come back for their degrees during the summer. As others have said, look at last year for evidence. Duke had one potential lottery pick on their roster. He left after his freshman year. UK had two potential lottery picks on their roster. One left after his "freshman" year ... but he actually registered as a sophomore due to his AP credits in high school and is well on his way to a degree. And the other potential lottery pick stayed in school.You really can't generalize about the schools. Kids with different priorities choose different teams for different reasons. My only point was that just because a kid supposedly considers academics a priority doesn't mean UK is in bad shape or Duke is in good shape. Well, that and to laugh at the arrogant attitude on display in the original post, but that's more about entertainment value than making a point.
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FTR, I don't like Calipari much at all, but I think this is 100% categorically false. If Brandon Knight or Wall wanted to stay at UK for three years, Calipari would sour on them? Or try to push them out the door? I can't see this. Calipari's MO is to assemble the most insane collection of talent possible, why would he not want one of the best players in the nation to stay? And they boost up the APR!I think he's realistic about a player's goals, and I think he probably gives them a pretty honest/selfless assessment of whether they're ready for the NBA or not. But Cal's out to win games, and there's really no better way to win games than with a 21 year-old John Wall.
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What's ironic is that a lot of good players are dumb to stay 4 years (e.g. Singler). Not a lot of good business sense there.
Eastwood
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Would you like to make a bet where he attends school Tobias? And I was NOT taking a shot at Kentucky. But as much as this pains you, UNC Cheatin Hill is not the best academic school in the conference, that would be Duke.'TobiasFunke said:
Apparently Kentucky is only attractive to those not interested in academics. Guys like Brandon Knight.
Eastwood
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That terrible football team won the conference more recently than you cheating football program has.
Eastwood
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Don't quit your day job because you suck at being a psychic. I wasn't saying anything about UK's academics. And to my knowledge Kentucky has been clean with NCAA for over a decade or more, unlike UNC Cheating Hill
Ramblin Wreck
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Mikey K has been cited for cheating more recently than the UNC.
TobiasFunke
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Thanks for your input! As always, it's a pleasure to hear from you! Enjoy the college football season!
You guys are killing me today.Coach Cal goes after the best talent available.For the most part, the best talent available is NBA-ready when they get to Lexington (meaning they could have been drafted as HS players if the NBA was so inclined).So, by extension, Cal recruits players whose top priority is the NBA. This is the rule. There are exceptions. Neither Wall nor Knight were interested in getting a degree when they were deciding on a college location. There is nothing wrong with that. It does not make them dumb.A player that Cal recruits is less likely to spend 4 years in Lexington than a player Coach K recruits is to spend 4 years in Durham.Conversely, a player who wants to get a degree, is more likely to choose a program like Duke than UK. Nothing wrong with that, nor does it make UK a bad school. If you are interested in an academics and you can go to either Duke or UK, you go to Duke. Heck, UK does not even have a vet school if you were coming to UK to have a career in the equine industry after your NBA career.The longest Cal has had a recruit on campus is two years (Hood will have been here 3 years, but he was not a Cal recruit). Stacey Poole, who is not a top NBA prospect, may be the first Cal recruit to graduate from UK - though I had expected him to transfer.
