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[GDogg]

All I meant is that i think its bush league to take an official visit if you've already silently verballed somewhere. For the record, I thought the same thing when Kyrie Irving visited Kentucky and when Rivers was going to visit UNC.I just think everything should be the up and up, especially when a coach has recruited a player for 3+ years. In my opinion "checking out all your options" isn't the same thing as accepting a paid trip to a school you have no intention of attending.I'm not naive. I know kids probably do this all the time (especially the elite kids). I just think its kind of messed up.

Why? What exactly is bush league about it? Most kids are leaning somewhere (whether it's a strong lean, or just slightly leaning in one direction) throughout the entire process. Things change in recruiting all the time.Let's say Shabazz told Coach K he was pretty much committed to UCLA, but that he'd like to check out Duke. Do you really think K would say no? If you can get them on campus, you've got a shot.Maybe I'm jaded, but there is very little about the recruiting process that is on the up and up from any side. Coaches will say and do almost anything to get a kid to commit. I have zero problems with players not telling these poor little millionaire coaches exactly what's going through their minds at every step of the way.Oh, and speaking of being jaded, there is an SI article that is supposedly going to come out tomorrow (may get leaked early today) about UCLA basketball. It's supposed to be very negative. The source is rumored to be a former UCLA basketball team manager that reports on rampant drug use among players on the 2008-2011 UCLA teams. There may be more to it than that, too. UCLA has hired a crisis management team to deal with it.

 

[TLEF316]

I guess I just consider "leaning towards" or "almost committed" different from a silent verbal. That's all I'm saying.

If a kid is still at least a little unsure, I would hope a coach wouldn't give up a 3 year pursuit. (especially this late in the game with no back up plans available)

 

[jeter23]

After the SI UCLA story and Bazz's dad's comments, I think UCLA is all but out of the running. I know nothing about Parker's recruiting, but I'm not sure, outside of location, why anyone would choose UCLA right now. Sorry Dogg.

I, and every other UK fan, is holding on to the hope that both Bazz and Noel come to the Bluegrass.

 

[GDogg]

After the SI UCLA story and Bazz's dad's comments, I think UCLA is all but out of the running. I know nothing about Parker's recruiting, but I'm not sure, outside of location, why anyone would choose UCLA right now. Sorry Dogg.I, and every other UK fan, is holding on to the hope that both Bazz and Noel come to the Bluegrass.

It's ok. I don't take anything personally.But, not from what I've seen. The "confident" comment above was based on information out of Shabazz's camp (and Parker's camp) after they had been made aware by UCLA of the SI article. He might change his mind, but from what's coming out of Muhammad (and Parker), they're still indicating UCLA is where they are going to be. Ron Holmes, Shabazz's father, has been friends with Ben Howland for years. Most think he's placing much of the blame for the problems in the program on the feet of the players.I'm not naive enough to say things are rosy, but why do you say you can't think of why anyone would choose UCLA right now? By the time the 2012 recruiting class steps on campus, the "bad seeds" will all be gone. Even the "bad seeds" said they very much respected Howland as a coach. The problems the players had were with "star" treatment that players like Psycho Reeves Nelson (since kicked off the team) and others got. Howland wasn't consistent and he didn't take care of a bunch of crap he should have. And, that's pretty awful.Another thing I'd point out is that what is being portrayed in that article is pretty typical of big time football and basketball programs. The problem is that they weren't winning and that Howland let an insane player run amok. I didn't find any of that stuff (other than Reeves' behavior) surprising in the least (and I actually was shocked that this was what the article was about because, aside from the details, many followers of the program already knew these things).However, even the writer of the article said he, and other coaches, consider Howland a basketball genius. Shabazz, Parker, and Kyle Anderson are stars. From all I've read about them, these three seem far more like Jrue Holiday and Malcolm Lee than Reeves Nelson, Jerime Anderson, Drew Gordon and Bobo Morgan (who, regardless of that article, was not being compared to Bill Walton coming out of HS).Here are some tweets from former Bruin, Lorenzo Mata, who was a starter on one of the Final Four teams and backed up Kevin Love on another:

1) Whoever the Snitch is talking bad about UCLA Bball and Ben Howland really must have no life... Coach Howland is a great coach and even2) Better person, if it wasn't for him I would not b the person I am today. He's a Winner and he knows how to WIN3) The players don't have the winners mentality and are not mentally tough and they choose to party instead of winning, they're not serious4) If you are at UCLA basketball and want to WIN then be serious and take care of responsibilities, set ur priorities straight!!! SACRIFICE!!!5) Be smart with decisions you make, Coach Howland can only do so much to help, its up to the players to sacrifice time and effort to WIN6) UCLA Basketball has to be represented and respected highly... these kids have no heart and no will to win and to sacrifice for the TEAM.7) I guarantee its not Coach Ben Howlands life, its the fact the the players don't take it serious and rather go out and be selfish8) They all complain about losing but how do you want to win if you don't sacrifice like we did and do whatever it takes to WIN? We sacrificed9) and put everything aside because we wanted to be successful 3 final fours in a row was cuz we wanted it and we sacrificed and listened to10) Coach Ben Howland and he made us Winners and better persons in life. Thanks coach and I know UCLA bball will be at the top soon again

Another of the Final Four players, Mike Roll, has taken up defense of Howland.And, don't take this as me dismissing Howland. He has a lot of issues in terms of how he deals with his players and coaches. Who knows for sure, though. If I'm a parent of a recruit (or current player), I'm certainly going to have a serious heart to heart with both my son and Howland about what the expectations are and should be and what has been done to rectify the problems that plagued the program in the past few years.As for Kentucky, with all due respect, while Calipari does a great job relating to kids (and he's a decent coach), I'm not sure I'd be looking down my nose at UCLA if my coach left the last two programs he was at on probation because he simply can't stop cheating.

 

[jeter23]

After the SI UCLA story and Bazz's dad's comments, I think UCLA is all but out of the running. I know nothing about Parker's recruiting, but I'm not sure, outside of location, why anyone would choose UCLA right now. Sorry Dogg.I, and every other UK fan, is holding on to the hope that both Bazz and Noel come to the Bluegrass.

It's ok. I don't take anything personally.But, not from what I've seen. The "confident" comment above was based on information out of Shabazz's camp (and Parker's camp) after they had been made aware by UCLA of the SI article. He might change his mind, but from what's coming out of Muhammad (and Parker), they're still indicating UCLA is where they are going to be. Ron Holmes, Shabazz's father, has been friends with Ben Howland for years. Most think he's placing much of the blame for the problems in the program on the feet of the players.I'm not naive enough to say things are rosy, but why do you say you can't think of why anyone would choose UCLA right now? By the time the 2012 recruiting class steps on campus, the "bad seeds" will all be gone. Even the "bad seeds" said they very much respected Howland as a coach. The problems the players had were with "star" treatment that players like Psycho Reeves Nelson (since kicked off the team) and others got. Howland wasn't consistent and he didn't take care of a bunch of crap he should have. And, that's pretty awful.Another thing I'd point out is that what is being portrayed in that article is pretty typical of big time football and basketball programs. The problem is that they weren't winning and that Howland let an insane player run amok. I didn't find any of that stuff (other than Reeves' behavior) surprising in the least (and I actually was shocked that this was what the article was about because, aside from the details, many followers of the program already knew these things).However, even the writer of the article said he, and other coaches, consider Howland a basketball genius. Shabazz, Parker, and Kyle Anderson are stars. From all I've read about them, these three seem far more like Jrue Holiday and Malcolm Lee than Reeves Nelson, Jerime Anderson, Drew Gordon and Bobo Morgan (who, regardless of that article, was not being compared to Bill Walton coming out of HS).Here are some tweets from former Bruin, Lorenzo Mata, who was a starter on one of the Final Four teams and backed up Kevin Love on another:

1) Whoever the Snitch is talking bad about UCLA Bball and Ben Howland really must have no life... Coach Howland is a great coach and even2) Better person, if it wasn't for him I would not b the person I am today. He's a Winner and he knows how to WIN3) The players don't have the winners mentality and are not mentally tough and they choose to party instead of winning, they're not serious4) If you are at UCLA basketball and want to WIN then be serious and take care of responsibilities, set ur priorities straight!!! SACRIFICE!!!5) Be smart with decisions you make, Coach Howland can only do so much to help, its up to the players to sacrifice time and effort to WIN6) UCLA Basketball has to be represented and respected highly... these kids have no heart and no will to win and to sacrifice for the TEAM.7) I guarantee its not Coach Ben Howlands life, its the fact the the players don't take it serious and rather go out and be selfish8) They all complain about losing but how do you want to win if you don't sacrifice like we did and do whatever it takes to WIN? We sacrificed9) and put everything aside because we wanted to be successful 3 final fours in a row was cuz we wanted it and we sacrificed and listened to10) Coach Ben Howland and he made us Winners and better persons in life. Thanks coach and I know UCLA bball will be at the top soon again

Another of the Final Four players, Mike Roll, has taken up defense of Howland.And, don't take this as me dismissing Howland. He has a lot of issues in terms of how he deals with his players and coaches. Who knows for sure, though. If I'm a parent of a recruit (or current player), I'm certainly going to have a serious heart to heart with both my son and Howland about what the expectations are and should be and what has been done to rectify the problems that plagued the program in the past few years.As for Kentucky, with all due respect, while Calipari does a great job relating to kids (and he's a decent coach), I'm not sure I'd be looking down my nose at UCLA if my coach left the last two programs he was at on probation because he simply can't stop cheating.

Lol, nice job getting a pot shot in there. I was not "looking down my nose" at UCLA or anyone else. UCLA is going through a rough patch. My team has been there for sure, and we have a pretty well known SI article of our own.Both the terrible season and this article are factors that would cause a recruit to cross UCLA off their list. In general, wouldn't you agree? I do not know the specifics of any of the recruits mentioned and if you have some kind of inside info, I am sure you are more informed than me. My only point is I don't see a good reason to go to UCLA right now, unless a kid just wants to be in SoCal.I am sure it's easy to find former players to defend Howland. Here are some tweets I read in reaction to the article.* UCLA "drifted ... as Howland allowed an influx of talented but immature recruits to undermine team discipline and morale."* "Several players routinely used alcohol and drugs. One player intentionally injured teammates but received no punishment."* Complaints of verbal abuse. "One player said if he saw Howland waiting for the elevator he would take the stairs."* Instead of subbing for a struggling Russell Westbrook, Howland tried to have referee remove him from game for illegal socks.* Players from 2008-09 team named 3 teammates who "regularly drank alcohol and smoked marijuana, sometimes before practice."* One player said he and two teammates took Ecstasy at a New Year's Eve party and were still high at the next day's practice.* At beginning of 2009-10 season, UCLA had "an alarming number" of fights during practice. Both on and off the court.* Reeves Nelson tried to injure teammates during practice (and succeeded) on several occasions. Howland looked the other way.Also, tweets quoting some recruits parents...* UCLA signee Kyle Anderson's father tells ZagsBlog: “The (SI) article does not matter to Lil Kyle or our family.”* Shabazz Muhammad's dad tells ESPN: "UCLA is going to have to get control of that program if they’re going to go forward."* Shabazz's father also says, "When you put that program against other programs that don’t have issues, it might have an effect.”

 

[GDogg]

After the SI UCLA story and Bazz's dad's comments, I think UCLA is all but out of the running. I know nothing about Parker's recruiting, but I'm not sure, outside of location, why anyone would choose UCLA right now. Sorry Dogg.

I, and every other UK fan, is holding on to the hope that both Bazz and Noel come to the Bluegrass.

It's ok. I don't take anything personally.But, not from what I've seen. The "confident" comment above was based on information out of Shabazz's camp (and Parker's camp) after they had been made aware by UCLA of the SI article. He might change his mind, but from what's coming out of Muhammad (and Parker), they're still indicating UCLA is where they are going to be. Ron Holmes, Shabazz's father, has been friends with Ben Howland for years. Most think he's placing much of the blame for the problems in the program on the feet of the players.

I'm not naive enough to say things are rosy, but why do you say you can't think of why anyone would choose UCLA right now? By the time the 2012 recruiting class steps on campus, the "bad seeds" will all be gone. Even the "bad seeds" said they very much respected Howland as a coach. The problems the players had were with "star" treatment that players like Psycho Reeves Nelson (since kicked off the team) and others got. Howland wasn't consistent and he didn't take care of a bunch of crap he should have. And, that's pretty awful.

Another thing I'd point out is that what is being portrayed in that article is pretty typical of big time football and basketball programs. The problem is that they weren't winning and that Howland let an insane player run amok. I didn't find any of that stuff (other than Reeves' behavior) surprising in the least (and I actually was shocked that this was what the article was about because, aside from the details, many followers of the program already knew these things).

However, even the writer of the article said he, and other coaches, consider Howland a basketball genius. Shabazz, Parker, and Kyle Anderson are stars. From all I've read about them, these three seem far more like Jrue Holiday and Malcolm Lee than Reeves Nelson, Jerime Anderson, Drew Gordon and Bobo Morgan (who, regardless of that article, was not being compared to Bill Walton coming out of HS).

Here are some tweets from former Bruin, Lorenzo Mata, who was a starter on one of the Final Four teams and backed up Kevin Love on another:

1) Whoever the Snitch is talking bad about UCLA Bball and Ben Howland really must have no life... Coach Howland is a great coach and even

2) Better person, if it wasn't for him I would not b the person I am today. He's a Winner and he knows how to WIN

3) The players don't have the winners mentality and are not mentally tough and they choose to party instead of winning, they're not serious

4) If you are at UCLA basketball and want to WIN then be serious and take care of responsibilities, set ur priorities straight!!! SACRIFICE!!!

5) Be smart with decisions you make, Coach Howland can only do so much to help, its up to the players to sacrifice time and effort to WIN

6) UCLA Basketball has to be represented and respected highly... these kids have no heart and no will to win and to sacrifice for the TEAM.

7) I guarantee its not Coach Ben Howlands life, its the fact the the players don't take it serious and rather go out and be selfish

8) They all complain about losing but how do you want to win if you don't sacrifice like we did and do whatever it takes to WIN? We sacrificed

9) and put everything aside because we wanted to be successful 3 final fours in a row was cuz we wanted it and we sacrificed and listened to

10) Coach Ben Howland and he made us Winners and better persons in life. Thanks coach and I know UCLA bball will be at the top soon again

Another of the Final Four players, Mike Roll, has taken up defense of Howland.And, don't take this as me dismissing Howland. He has a lot of issues in terms of how he deals with his players and coaches.

Who knows for sure, though. If I'm a parent of a recruit (or current player), I'm certainly going to have a serious heart to heart with both my son and Howland about what the expectations are and should be and what has been done to rectify the problems that plagued the program in the past few years.

As for Kentucky, with all due respect, while Calipari does a great job relating to kids (and he's a decent coach), I'm not sure I'd be looking down my nose at UCLA if my coach left the last two programs he was at on probation because he simply can't stop cheating.

Lol, nice job getting a pot shot in there. I was not "looking down my nose" at UCLA or anyone else. UCLA is going through a rough patch. My team has been there for sure, and we have a pretty well known SI article of our own.

Both the terrible season and this article are factors that would cause a recruit to cross UCLA off their list. In general, wouldn't you agree?

I do not know the specifics of any of the recruits mentioned and if you have some kind of inside info, I am sure you are more informed than me. My only point is I don't see a good reason to go to UCLA right now, unless a kid just wants to be in SoCal.

I am sure it's easy to find former players to defend Howland. Here are some tweets I read in reaction to the article.

* UCLA "drifted ... as Howland allowed an influx of talented but immature recruits to undermine team discipline and morale."

* "Several players routinely used alcohol and drugs. One player intentionally injured teammates but received no punishment."

* Complaints of verbal abuse. "One player said if he saw Howland waiting for the elevator he would take the stairs."

* Instead of subbing for a struggling Russell Westbrook, Howland tried to have referee remove him from game for illegal socks.

* Players from 2008-09 team named 3 teammates who "regularly drank alcohol and smoked marijuana, sometimes before practice."

* One player said he and two teammates took Ecstasy at a New Year's Eve party and were still high at the next day's practice.

* At beginning of 2009-10 season, UCLA had "an alarming number" of fights during practice. Both on and off the court.

* Reeves Nelson tried to injure teammates during practice (and succeeded) on several occasions. Howland looked the other way.

Also, tweets quoting some recruits parents...

* UCLA signee Kyle Anderson's father tells ZagsBlog: “The (SI) article does not matter to Lil Kyle or our family.”

* Shabazz Muhammad's dad tells ESPN: "UCLA is going to have to get control of that program if they’re going to go forward."

* Shabazz's father also says, "When you put that program against other programs that don’t have issues, it might have an effect.”

Those tweets are quotes or summaries from the article.I didn't intend it as a pot shot. It's simply an issue that any school that has Calipari at the helm will always have hanging over its head. That's all.

By the way, we might all be "fighting" over a kid that won't play a second of college basketball. Shabazz's amateur status is under NCAA investigation according to CBS. Woops. This could be bad for Howland if Shabazz doesn't come. Then, UCLA might have a new coach next year, at the earliest, and the following year at the latest. UCLA wants to make a huge splash next year with what it thinks is a more mature #1 recruiting class and the opening of New Pauley.

And, while I'm definitely biased, I see lots of reasons to go to UCLA. 1) If the article is 100% correct, star recruits are now on notice that Howland will leave them alone if they do what he wants on the court. 2) If it's an exaggeration or was a three year blip and Howland is still three Final Fours in a row Howland, then you know you're going to be going to one of the best programs in the country in terms of discipline and coaching with the ability to get a ton of publicity as the Fab Four (or Five) Frosh that turned the program around into a powerhouse again. 3) If it's 100% correct, you're still going to get fantastic coaching. 4) Don't act like an idiot, follow what Howland tells you, and you'll make millions in the NBA as a 1st Round pick and possible lottery pick.

The bottom line (for lots of recruits and their families) is that Howland prepares you very well for the NBA. NBA coaches rave about the fundamentals of the UCLA players and their ability to play right away and point to Howland directly for that. That's a big selling point.

 

[Sinn Fein]

And, while I'm definitely biased, I see lots of reasons to go to UCLA. 1) If the article is 100% correct, star recruits are now on notice that Howland will leave them alone if they do what he wants on the court. 2) If it's an exaggeration or was a three year blip and Howland is still three Final Fours in a row Howland, then you know you're going to be going to one of the best programs in the country in terms of discipline and coaching with the ability to get a ton of publicity as the Fab Four (or Five) Frosh that turned the program around into a powerhouse again. 3) If it's 100% correct, you're still going to get fantastic coaching. 4) Don't act like an idiot, follow what Howland tells you, and you'll make millions in the NBA as a 1st Round pick and possible lottery pick.The bottom line (for lots of recruits and their families) is that Howland prepares you very well for the NBA. NBA coaches rave about the fundamentals of the UCLA players and their ability to play right away and point to Howland directly for that. That's a big selling point.

I don't think you want to compare the track records of Calipari and Howland when it comes to putting kids into the NBA

 

[GDogg]

And, while I'm definitely biased, I see lots of reasons to go to UCLA. 1) If the article is 100% correct, star recruits are now on notice that Howland will leave them alone if they do what he wants on the court. 2) If it's an exaggeration or was a three year blip and Howland is still three Final Fours in a row Howland, then you know you're going to be going to one of the best programs in the country in terms of discipline and coaching with the ability to get a ton of publicity as the Fab Four (or Five) Frosh that turned the program around into a powerhouse again. 3) If it's 100% correct, you're still going to get fantastic coaching. 4) Don't act like an idiot, follow what Howland tells you, and you'll make millions in the NBA as a 1st Round pick and possible lottery pick.The bottom line (for lots of recruits and their families) is that Howland prepares you very well for the NBA. NBA coaches rave about the fundamentals of the UCLA players and their ability to play right away and point to Howland directly for that. That's a big selling point.

I don't think you want to compare the track records of Calipari and Howland when it comes to putting kids into the NBA

Cool. Is this post in reference to anything I wrote in my post?

 

[jeter23]

And, while I'm definitely biased, I see lots of reasons to go to UCLA. 1) If the article is 100% correct, star recruits are now on notice that Howland will leave them alone if they do what he wants on the court. 2) If it's an exaggeration or was a three year blip and Howland is still three Final Fours in a row Howland, then you know you're going to be going to one of the best programs in the country in terms of discipline and coaching with the ability to get a ton of publicity as the Fab Four (or Five) Frosh that turned the program around into a powerhouse again. 3) If it's 100% correct, you're still going to get fantastic coaching. 4) Don't act like an idiot, follow what Howland tells you, and you'll make millions in the NBA as a 1st Round pick and possible lottery pick.The bottom line (for lots of recruits and their families) is that Howland prepares you very well for the NBA. NBA coaches rave about the fundamentals of the UCLA players and their ability to play right away and point to Howland directly for that. That's a big selling point.

I don't think you want to compare the track records of Calipari and Howland when it comes to putting kids into the NBA

Cool. Is this post in reference to anything I wrote in my post?

It seemed that you were giving reasons Bazz (or any recruit) should choose UCLA over another school. Obviously UK, Kansas and Duke are in competition for Bazz and Cal has a clear advantage over other coaches sending his players to the NBA. Can't deny that one.

 

[Buck Stop]

I agree Jeter. You'd think Kansas, Duke, and UK are all better choices than UCLA at this point. And the way Duke and Kentucky have put tons of guys in the league over the last several years, I don't see how UCLA can compete with that.

 

[Buck Stop]

wow, anyone see this article today? NCAA is warning programs about Bazz's eligibility. First i've heard anything about this

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/17511404/ncaa-warns-schools-to-be-wary-over-top-recruit-muhammads-eligibility

 

[Grady Wilson]

wow, anyone see this article today? NCAA is warning programs about Bazz's eligibility. First i've heard anything about this

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/17511404/ncaa-warns-schools-to-be-wary-over-top-recruit-muhammads-eligibility

BAzz???? You're still calling him, Bazz, Eastwood?

 

[GDogg]

And, while I'm definitely biased, I see lots of reasons to go to UCLA. 1) If the article is 100% correct, star recruits are now on notice that Howland will leave them alone if they do what he wants on the court. 2) If it's an exaggeration or was a three year blip and Howland is still three Final Fours in a row Howland, then you know you're going to be going to one of the best programs in the country in terms of discipline and coaching with the ability to get a ton of publicity as the Fab Four (or Five) Frosh that turned the program around into a powerhouse again. 3) If it's 100% correct, you're still going to get fantastic coaching. 4) Don't act like an idiot, follow what Howland tells you, and you'll make millions in the NBA as a 1st Round pick and possible lottery pick.The bottom line (for lots of recruits and their families) is that Howland prepares you very well for the NBA. NBA coaches rave about the fundamentals of the UCLA players and their ability to play right away and point to Howland directly for that. That's a big selling point.

I don't think you want to compare the track records of Calipari and Howland when it comes to putting kids into the NBA

Cool. Is this post in reference to anything I wrote in my post?

It seemed that you were giving reasons Bazz (or any recruit) should choose UCLA over another school. Obviously UK, Kansas and Duke are in competition for Bazz and Cal has a clear advantage over other coaches sending his players to the NBA. Can't deny that one.

I wasn't comparing anything. You said there were no reasons to go to UCLA, and I gave them. That's it.Cal does a great job of getting them there. So does Howland and Howland's players are doing very well (Love and Westbrook are both all-stars and top 5 players at their positions). I think it's a great selling point for all of the programs.

 

[GDogg]

I agree Jeter. You'd think Kansas, Duke, and UK are all better choices than UCLA at this point. And the way Duke and Kentucky have put tons of guys in the league over the last several years, I don't see how UCLA can compete with that.

Really? You don't think Howland saying, look at former UCLA players Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, Jrue Holiday, Arron Afflalo, Darren Collison, Luke Richard Mbah a Moute, Jordan Farmar, etc., is competitive with the players that Duke and Kentucky can point to in the league? You're joking, right? Two of those guys are among the top 3-5 (Love is probably #2, at worst) at their position and two-time All-Stars.

 

[Buck Stop]

competitive, I guess that is true. But Duke currently has more players in the NBA than any other college. Kentucky is 2nd. And while UCLA has 2 very good players, don't you consider it a decent drop off after those top 2? Where Duke and Kentucky have a lot of really good players right now (Irving, Deng, Boozer, Brand, Maggette, Henderson, Hill, Battier, Redick, Rondo, Wall, Cousins, Knight, Patterson, etc.)

But regardless, Duke and Kentucky have been a LOT more successful over the last several decades. Both teams will be contenders this year, next year, and probably the year after. Saying that about UCLA seems like a stretch at this point in time.

 

[Tau837]

GDogg, I appreciate that you are trying to be objective here, but you are quite clearly viewing this situation through glasses. I say this as a fan of N.C. State, which is a program far removed from the others in this discussion.

IMO it is silly to say that this article and the underlying situations reported in the article will not negatively affect the chances of top recruits choosing UCLA over other top programs. That isn't the same thing as saying no top recruits will choose UCLA, but the chances have to be lower now than they were before.

 

[GDogg]

GDogg, I appreciate that you are trying to be objective here, but you are quite clearly viewing this situation through glasses. I say this as a fan of N.C. State, which is a program far removed from the others in this discussion.IMO it is silly to say that this article and the underlying situations reported in the article will not negatively affect the chances of top recruits choosing UCLA over other top programs. That isn't the same thing as saying no top recruits will choose UCLA, but the chances have to be lower now than they were before.

Where did I say any of that? I've posted about two specific recruits.

 

[Tau837]

GDogg, I appreciate that you are trying to be objective here, but you are quite clearly viewing this situation through glasses. I say this as a fan of N.C. State, which is a program far removed from the others in this discussion.IMO it is silly to say that this article and the underlying situations reported in the article will not negatively affect the chances of top recruits choosing UCLA over other top programs. That isn't the same thing as saying no top recruits will choose UCLA, but the chances have to be lower now than they were before.

Where did I say any of that? I've posted about two specific recruits.

I got the impression from your posts that you do not agree that chances are lower that those two specific recruits will choose UCLA. Am I wrong, do you agree that those two recruits are now less likely to choose UCLA?

 

[GDogg]

GDogg, I appreciate that you are trying to be objective here, but you are quite clearly viewing this situation through glasses. I say this as a fan of N.C. State, which is a program far removed from the others in this discussion.IMO it is silly to say that this article and the underlying situations reported in the article will not negatively affect the chances of top recruits choosing UCLA over other top programs. That isn't the same thing as saying no top recruits will choose UCLA, but the chances have to be lower now than they were before.

Where did I say any of that? I've posted about two specific recruits.

I got the impression from your posts that you do not agree that chances are lower that those two specific recruits will choose UCLA. Am I wrong, do you agree that those two recruits are now less likely to choose UCLA?

No, I don't. And it's not my opinion. As I said, it's based on info from those two recruits.

 

[Sinn Fein]

With UCLA’s top signee firmly on board and unchanged -- after all, Anderson did sign a binding national letter of intent –- a bigger question remains: Will the article have an effect on future recruits? Namely ESPN’s No. 2 senior, Shabazz Muhammad (Las Vegas, Nev./Bishop Gorman)? “It doesn’t really effect us that much but UCLA is going to have to get control of that program if they’re going to go forward,” Ron Holmes, father of the UCLA target said. “You have to discipline those guys and get rid of them if need be.” When asked if Holmes could see his son picking the Bruins, the response was affirmative, but Howland has to handle things properly. “Yes, (Shabazz) could go to school there right now because I understand what was going on. I saw (Reeves) Nelson’s shenanigans. He was out of control and I was trying to figure it out because I’ve always heard that Coach Howland was a disciplinarian. Eventually Coach Howland did (dismiss Nelson)," said Holmes, who played basketball at USC. "It doesn’t effect us in that regard but obviously it has some effect because when you put that program against other programs that don’t have issues, it might have an effect.” Still, UCLA now has a perception issue to tackle. Many of the team-oriented issues can be explained away to a degree that would seem plausible. Nelson’s behavior is extreme and it’ll cost him going forward in terms of how professional leagues view him. What UCLA has to rectify is the future damage. Not so much with senior recruits, but younger players who have yet to have the window into the program the current seniors enjoyed the past few years. How the younger recruits view the program is significant Howland’s been dinged for his style of play and now for what’s gone on behind the scenes. Combine those issues with UCLA’s struggles on the court and things snowballed, culminating in this article. Regarding Muhammad, the timing of the article stinks. He visits Duke this weekend and was at Kansas last weekend. UNLV, the hometown school, is strong and Kentucky's lurking. Anytime something negative occurs during a high-profile recruitment, especially at this stage, it's a problem. Problems can be contained and messaged, but dealing with them when your program is on display against a collection of heavy hitters is the opposite of ideal. UCLA was proactive – always a good move – with its signees and recruits. While the Bruins didn’t know the content of the article, they put themselves in position to diffuse and attack the article’s assertions by alerting those who needed to know. “They were proactive,” Holmes said. “They let me know that something was coming out and it might be damaging. We knew it was coming and knew what it was. Reading it, it wasn’t as negative as I thought it was going to be but it was concerning.” At this point, UCLA will take “concerning” because it’s a lot more manageable than “devastating.”

I think this sums the issue up well - it is not a complete knock on the program in the eyes of recruits, but it is an item for consideration. It sounds like UCLA has been handling it well from a PR perspective, so that will help.

 

[GDogg]

competitive, I guess that is true. But Duke currently has more players in the NBA than any other college. Kentucky is 2nd. And while UCLA has 2 very good players, don't you consider it a decent drop off after those top 2? Where Duke and Kentucky have a lot of really good players right now (Irving, Deng, Boozer, Brand, Maggette, Henderson, Hill, Battier, Redick, Rondo, Wall, Cousins, Knight, Patterson, etc.)

But regardless, Duke and Kentucky have been a LOT more successful over the last several decades. Both teams will be contenders this year, next year, and probably the year after. Saying that about UCLA seems like a stretch at this point in time.

No, I don't consider it any more of a drop off than for Duke or Kentucky. Duke may have the most players in the NBA (16), but many of them are pretty old and UCLA (15) is tied with Kentucky (15) for second. So, it's not like Duke has much advantage at all. They are all producing NBA players, but UCLA and Kentucky seem to be on the upswing in NBA talent vs. Duke.And, considering this discussion spun off into a Howland vs. Calipari discussion and you brought up last several seasons, I mistakenly thought you were speaking of the last 5 years or so (at most) or the time period when Calipari was actually coaching at Kentucky and not Gillespie or Tubby, which was only the last three seasons. Or, if you want to stretch it out to when Howland started at UCLA in 2004. Otherwise, you're comparing Duke and Coach K with Tubby Smith, Billy Gillispie, and Steve Lavin, too.

With that in mind, Irving's very good and is a recent feather in Coach K's cap. However...

Luol Deng was drafted 8 years ago. Carlos Boozer was drafted 10 years ago (in the second round). Elton Brand was drafted 13 years ago. Corey Maggette was drafted 13 years ago. Gerald Henderson was recent, but is simply not very good (by NBA standards). Grant Hill was drafted 18 years ago. Shane Battier was drafted 11 years ago. J.J. Redick is somewhat recent, but he's only started 28 games in his career and makes less than three shots per game in his career. In fact, you only named three players (Irving, Henderson, and Redick) that were drafted since Howland began at UCLA.

So, no, I wouldn't say that Duke's recent past has produced much over Howland's UCLA crew of Trevor Ariza - 2005, Jordan Farmar - 2007 (about the equivalent of Redick), Arron Afflalo - 2008 (NBA starter and just signed a 5 year, $43M extension), Kevin Love - 2009 (2-time All-Star, #1 or 2 PF in the NBA and just signed a MAX deal), Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - 2009 (NBA starter), Russell Westbrook - 2009 (2-time NBA All-Star, Top 3-5 PG and just signed a MAX deal), Darren Collison - 2010 (NBA starting PG), Jrue Holiday - 2010 (NBA starting PG and one of the better young PGs in the league). I can add in Baron Davis and Matt Barnes (along with NBA vets Earl Watson and Jason Kapono), but they're not relevant to the discussion.

And, as for the Kentucky guys, Rondo didn't play for Calipari, John Wall - 2010 has a nice future ahead of him, Patterson - 2010 (decent future, 1st rounder had to go to D-League), DeMarcus Cousins - 2010 (will be a stud), Eric Bledsoe - 2010 (recovering from knee surgery, nice bench player), Ennes Kanter - 2011 (decent rookie year), Brandon Knight - 2011 (NBA starter at PG), Josh Harrellson - 2011 (out with broken wrist, was coming off bench) and Deandre Liggins - 2011 (played in only 1 game this year).

If you're still skeptical about Howland, UCLA and the NBA, consider that ESPN NBA Analyst (and advanced stats geek) John Hollinger actually added a "Howland variable" into his into his math-based Draft Rater because "for some reason, every Ben Howland product massively outperformed his estimate as a pro." Links here, and here.

If UCLA gets Muhammad and Parker (to go with Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams), and depending on who returns next year, UCLA should have a fantastic season. I don't think it's a stretch to say they will be right back in the top 5-10.

 

[Sinn Fein]

That Derek Rose kid that Calipari coached is pretty good, or so I hear.

Right now, the hottest name in college coaching, for coaching kids into the NBA is Calipari. Love him or hate him, he is putting kids into the NBA at an unprecedented level. After this year, he will have coached 13 draft picks in the last three drafts.

This is not to say that Calipari is making this kids better NBA players, or that they would not have gotten drafted elsewhere. But he is putting all of his players in a position to play professional basketball. Josh Harrelson was drafted. Think about that.

 

[Buck Stop]

I think he's more likely to end up at Kentucky than anywhere else

 

[GDogg]

That Derek Rose kid that Calipari coached is pretty good, or so I hear.

Right now, the hottest name in college coaching, for coaching kids into the NBA is Calipari. Love him or hate him, he is putting kids into the NBA at an unprecedented level. After this year, he will have coached 13 draft picks in the last three drafts.

This is not to say that Calipari is making this kids better NBA players, or that they would not have gotten drafted elsewhere. But he is putting all of his players in a position to play professional basketball. Josh Harrelson was drafted. Think about that.

Yup, but as far as I know, he never played a single minute for Kentucky, and but for Calipari's shenanigans, would not have been coached by, or played a single minute for, the school he actually did attend, Memphis.As I said, Calipari gets his players to the league. He relates really well with today's players (something that, quite frankly, cannot be said of Ben Howland) and is a pretty good coach.

That being said, Calipari's guys have, OVERALL, been underwhelming in the pros. Only Derrick Rose has made an all-star game, despite there being 8 guys who were drafted in the Top 10. Excluding the Kentucky draft picks, a total of 7 guys flamed out of the league before making any real impact. Of the 13 players from UMASS and Memphis that Calipari had drafted, only 2 remain in the NBA today. The jury is still out on all of Cal's Kentucky draft picks, but Daniel Orton is already out of the league, and unlikely to return. Liggins has not gained any traction in Orlando, and Kanter has been average at best, considering he was the 3rd overall pick.

But, Howland is also getting his players to the league. And, according to the links in my post above, most NBA scouts think he has a lot to do with what they do when they get there, so much so that they are taking it into account when drafting players (the "Howland variable" or "UCLA factor").

 

[TLEF316]

I know I've made this point many times before (so I won't dwell on it) but calipari should get very little (if any credit) for rose, Evans, wall and knight. They were lottery picks from birth.

Don't get me wrong, they improved under him, but I chalk that up to natural improvement of a 19 year old, not great coaching. Same thing with Davis and Gilchrist and every other r one and done at every other school. (including Irving and rivers at Duke)

 

[Dexter Manley]

I agree Jeter. You'd think Kansas, Duke, and UK are all better choices than UCLA at this point. And the way Duke and Kentucky have put tons of guys in the league over the last several years, I don't see how UCLA can compete with that.

Really? UCLA has a huge advantage over those other schools: location. As far as location goes UCLA >>>>>>>>>> any of those 3 schools.

 

[Tau837]

competitive, I guess that is true. But Duke currently has more players in the NBA than any other college. Kentucky is 2nd. And while UCLA has 2 very good players, don't you consider it a decent drop off after those top 2? Where Duke and Kentucky have a lot of really good players right now (Irving, Deng, Boozer, Brand, Maggette, Henderson, Hill, Battier, Redick, Rondo, Wall, Cousins, Knight, Patterson, etc.)

But regardless, Duke and Kentucky have been a LOT more successful over the last several decades. Both teams will be contenders this year, next year, and probably the year after. Saying that about UCLA seems like a stretch at this point in time.

No, I don't consider it any more of a drop off than for Duke or Kentucky. Duke may have the most players in the NBA (16), but many of them are pretty old and UCLA (15) is tied with Kentucky (15) for second. So, it's not like Duke has much advantage at all. They are all producing NBA players, but UCLA and Kentucky seem to be on the upswing in NBA talent vs. Duke.And, considering this discussion spun off into a Howland vs. Calipari discussion and you brought up last several seasons, I mistakenly thought you were speaking of the last 5 years or so (at most) or the time period when Calipari was actually coaching at Kentucky and not Gillespie or Tubby, which was only the last three seasons. Or, if you want to stretch it out to when Howland started at UCLA in 2004. Otherwise, you're comparing Duke and Coach K with Tubby Smith, Billy Gillispie, and Steve Lavin, too.

With that in mind, Irving's very good and is a recent feather in Coach K's cap. However...

Luol Deng was drafted 8 years ago. Carlos Boozer was drafted 10 years ago (in the second round). Elton Brand was drafted 13 years ago. Corey Maggette was drafted 13 years ago. Gerald Henderson was recent, but is simply not very good (by NBA standards). Grant Hill was drafted 18 years ago. Shane Battier was drafted 11 years ago. J.J. Redick is somewhat recent, but he's only started 28 games in his career and makes less than three shots per game in his career. In fact, you only named three players (Irving, Henderson, and Redick) that were drafted since Howland began at UCLA.

So, no, I wouldn't say that Duke's recent past has produced much over Howland's UCLA crew of Trevor Ariza - 2005, Jordan Farmar - 2007 (about the equivalent of Redick), Arron Afflalo - 2008 (NBA starter and just signed a 5 year, $43M extension), Kevin Love - 2009 (2-time All-Star, #1 or 2 PF in the NBA and just signed a MAX deal), Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - 2009 (NBA starter), Russell Westbrook - 2009 (2-time NBA All-Star, Top 3-5 PG and just signed a MAX deal), Darren Collison - 2010 (NBA starting PG), Jrue Holiday - 2010 (NBA starting PG and one of the better young PGs in the league). I can add in Baron Davis and Matt Barnes (along with NBA vets Earl Watson and Jason Kapono), but they're not relevant to the discussion.

...

If you're still skeptical about Howland, UCLA and the NBA, consider that ESPN NBA Analyst (and advanced stats geek) John Hollinger actually added a "Howland variable" into his into his math-based Draft Rater because "for some reason, every Ben Howland product massively outperformed his estimate as a pro." Links here, and here.

 

[jeter23]

I know I've made this point many times before (so I won't dwell on it) but calipari should get very little (if any credit) for rose, Evans, wall and knight. They were lottery picks from birth. Don't get me wrong, they improved under him, but I chalk that up to natural improvement of a 19 year old, not great coaching. Same thing with Davis and Gilchrist and every other r one and done at every other school. (including Irving and rivers at Duke)

I have seen you make this argument over and over and the same could be said about those guys no matter which college coach they played for. The thing Cal did that was so impressive came in their recruiting and getting so many top players to come to Memohis and then Uk when they were at a low point. As far as Cal developing players, Sidd already made the point...Jorts. Nothing more to say.

 

[GDogg]

I think he's more likely to end up at Kentucky than anywhere else

I don't.I think Duke may end up having to drop out, though. Since the schools Shabazz visited unofficially that were paid for by the financial advisers were Duke and North Carolina (and UNC is no longer in the running), the NCAA may deem it an unfair recruiting advantage for Duke.

 

[GDogg]

Kyle Anderson and his dad (Kyle Anderson, Sr.) believe Shabazz Muhammad will publicly announce for UCLA next month. Link.

On a related note, not many think Tony Parker will be a Bruin anymore (including Kyle Anderson).

 

[TLEF316]

I'm at the NJ tournament of champions finals tonight. Anderson is playing. Looking forward to seeing him in person. Sitting front row courtside right at mid court.

 

[jeter23]

Kyle Anderson and his dad (Kyle Anderson, Sr.) believe Shabazz Muhammad will publicly announce for UCLA next month. Link.

On a related note, not many think Tony Parker will be a Bruin anymore (including Kyle Anderson).

I thought the goal was to have the big 3? Why no Parker now? Where will he go?

 

[GDogg]

Kyle Anderson and his dad (Kyle Anderson, Sr.) believe Shabazz Muhammad will publicly announce for UCLA next month. Link.

On a related note, not many think Tony Parker will be a Bruin anymore (including Kyle Anderson).

I thought the goal was to have the big 3? Why no Parker now? Where will he go?

I think UCLA would love to have him, but it doesn't sound like that's where he'll end up (at this time). Things can change and I have no doubt that if Muhammad is for sure coming to UCLA he'll work on Parker with Anderson (who has been UCLA's best recruiter outside of Korey McCray) at the Nike Hoop Summit in April. I have no idea what the change of heart was, but the speculation is that the negative publicity surrounding the program + the terrible season, including missing the NCAA tournament, soured him on UCLA. I hope he changes his mind again (if, indeed, he really is down on UCLA), but there does seem to be some considerable doubt about Parker and UCLA now.

 

[GDogg]

I'm at the NJ tournament of champions finals tonight. Anderson is playing. Looking forward to seeing him in person. Sitting front row courtside right at mid court.

Nice. I'd appreciate it if you could let us know what you think of him.

 

[TLEF316]

I'm at the NJ tournament of champions finals tonight. Anderson is playing. Looking forward to seeing him in person. Sitting front row courtside right at mid court.

Nice. I'd appreciate it if you could let us know what you think of him.

Well, St. Anthony's beat Plainfield (group 3 public league champs) by 4 in a thrilling game. Rematch of last year's TOC final. (which St. Ant's also won). Tie game at half time, but St. Anthony's gained some traction in the 3rd. Got it up to 16 with like 7 minutes left before Plainfield made a run. As for Anderson, he ended up with roughly 15 points, probably 5 assists (not sure, plus his teammates blew a couple) maybe half a dozen rebounds and a couple of blocks. (including one huge one when Plainfield was making their run). He looks much taller than I expected. I knew he was 6'8, but it really doesn't register until you see him in person. He's VERY tall. He's also VERRRRRRRRY slow. He'll hit a higher gear on occasion (when he needs an extra 1/2 step to get to the rim) but he mostly just kinda mopes around out there. Strengths: Always in the right position on both offense and defense. Made a couple of big steals during some hectic sequences that lead to easy baskets. Constantly talking and moving his teammates around. Solid form on his jumper (although he didn't make any). Crafty finisher. Obviously size. Hurley clearly trusted him with play calls and information distribution. Definitely a coach on the floor. Weaknesses: foot speed is going to be a problem. He's going to have to guard 3's in college. Smaller guards will eat him up. He got away with it in HS because his teammates are all little quick guards. That won't be the case in college. He'll have to expend some energy trying to check smaller players. His body isn't great at this point. Not much definition in his arms or legs (LOOK AT ME!!! I'M CHECKING OUT 18 YEAR OLD BOYS!!!). He's gotta hit the weight room. Also, I don't think his handle is especially tight. Some high dribbles and a few loose moves. However, he did use his big body to protect the ball, so he only turned the ball over 1 or 2 times.

 

[GDogg]

I'm at the NJ tournament of champions finals tonight. Anderson is playing. Looking forward to seeing him in person. Sitting front row courtside right at mid court.

Nice. I'd appreciate it if you could let us know what you think of him.

Well, St. Anthony's beat Plainfield (group 3 public league champs) by 4 in a thrilling game. Rematch of last year's TOC final. (which St. Ant's also won). Tie game at half time, but St. Anthony's gained some traction in the 3rd. Got it up to 16 with like 7 minutes left before Plainfield made a run. As for Anderson, he ended up with roughly 15 points, probably 5 assists (not sure, plus his teammates blew a couple) maybe half a dozen rebounds and a couple of blocks. (including one huge one when Plainfield was making their run). He looks much taller than I expected. I knew he was 6'8, but it really doesn't register until you see him in person. He's VERY tall. He's also VERRRRRRRRY slow. He'll hit a higher gear on occasion (when he needs an extra 1/2 step to get to the rim) but he mostly just kinda mopes around out there. Strengths: Always in the right position on both offense and defense. Made a couple of big steals during some hectic sequences that lead to easy baskets. Constantly talking and moving his teammates around. Solid form on his jumper (although he didn't make any). Crafty finisher. Obviously size. Hurley clearly trusted him with play calls and information distribution. Definitely a coach on the floor. Weaknesses: foot speed is going to be a problem. He's going to have to guard 3's in college. Smaller guards will eat him up. He got away with it in HS because his teammates are all little quick guards. That won't be the case in college. He'll have to expend some energy trying to check smaller players. His body isn't great at this point. Not much definition in his arms or legs (LOOK AT ME!!! I'M CHECKING OUT 18 YEAR OLD BOYS!!!). He's gotta hit the weight room. Also, I don't think his handle is especially tight. Some high dribbles and a few loose moves. However, he did use his big body to protect the ball, so he only turned the ball over 1 or 2 times.

Thanks!That sounds a lot like what I've read about him (and seen on tape). His basketball IQ seems to be extremely high and he's a tremendous passer, but year, he looks like he's playing in slo-mo at times. Still, in the limited viewing I saw of him, he never had any problems getting his shot off (although he was more of a facilitator than a scorer).I think UCLA's plans for him are to get him a little stronger and pray that he can be serviceable against slower SFs and undersized PFs. While the incoming Frosh class is excellent offensively, none of them are stellar athletes and the two that will start (Anderson and Shabazz) probably will struggle to guard opposing positions.So, UCLA's probably going to have to start another guard that can guard opposing PGs with Shabazz at SF and Anderson at PG on offense. Then, on defense, Lamb or Powell will guard the PG, Shabazz will do his best on SGs and SFs and Anderson will guard SFs and PFs with one of the Wears on the other SF/PF and hopefully a 40 lb. lighter Josh Smith guarding Cs.UCLA is probably going to really struggle on defense next year.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Interesting quote from Archie Goodwin at McDonalds game:

"It is going to be a blessing to play with Alex and hopefully Shabazz in the future," Goodwin said. "Like I said in my (earlier) interviews, it will be another repeat of what they are going to do this year."

Combined with Dave Telep's thoughts:

Who’s the big winner as far as recruiting classes? I’m going Kentucky. Poythress and Archie Goodwin are already signed and my bold prediction is that UK gets at least two from the combination of Muhammad, Bennett and Nerlens Noel. There, I said it. Put it right out there, hiding in plain sight. Yes, I think UK gets its fourth consecutive top-ranked recruiting class.

It may be that its Noel and Bennett, but I think a championship helps close the deal here.

 

[jeter23]

Interesting quote from Archie Goodwin at McDonalds game:

"It is going to be a blessing to play with Alex and hopefully Shabazz in the future," Goodwin said. "Like I said in my (earlier) interviews, it will be another repeat of what they are going to do this year."

Combined with Dave Telep's thoughts:

Who’s the big winner as far as recruiting classes? I’m going Kentucky. Poythress and Archie Goodwin are already signed and my bold prediction is that UK gets at least two from the combination of Muhammad, Bennett and Nerlens Noel. There, I said it. Put it right out there, hiding in plain sight. Yes, I think UK gets its fourth consecutive top-ranked recruiting class.

It may be that its Noel and Bennett, but I think a championship helps close the deal here.

I agree that we get Noel and Bennett. I also read some rumblings that Jefferson would look at UK if most of the guys go pro and he says PT available.

 

[GDogg]

Shabazz Muhammad and Tony Parker are both expected to sign with UCLA this week.

 

[Buck Stop]

Its funny, Kentucky insiders are saying the exact same thing. They are also confident in landing the duo.

I wish Duke would pay their recruits to come to Durham too

 

[GDogg]

Its funny, Kentucky insiders are saying the exact same thing. They are also confident in landing the duo. I wish Duke would pay their recruits to come to Durham too

Most insiders are calling the two to UCLA.You think Muhammad and Parker are being paid to come to Westwood? That's laughable. Why would Saint K keep recruiting them if they were on the take?ETA: You realize the issue Muhammad might have with trips being paid for was for his trip to Durham, right? So, someone did pay for him to go to Durham. He just didn't like the program enough to want to attend school there.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Gdogg, can you give us an idea of how well-connected/high-up your source is?

 

[GDogg]

Gdogg, can you give us an idea of how well-connected/high-up your source is?

Very close to the Muhammad family. The source on Parker is close to a member of the staff. One of the Bruin assistant coaches is best friends with Parker's mentor/trainer.

 

[jeter23]

Its funny, Kentucky insiders are saying the exact same thing. They are also confident in landing the duo. I wish Duke would pay their recruits to come to Durham too

UK is not even recruiting Parker. Good try though.I have no idea where Muhammed goes, certainly not feeling confident. I am looking forward to this week and hope UK gets one of the pair (Muhammed or Noel).

 

[TLEF316]

Miss St. freshman Rodney Hood is transferring. Very talented kid. Former 5* recruit and did nothing this year to suggest that it wasn't warranted. 6'8 SF, above average athlete and pretty skilled. Clearly stood out as a team guy on a very selfish Miss St. squad.

Duke was his dream school growing up, but I'd be pretty surprised if they got involved. He'd have to sit a year and they're keeping the SF spot open for Jabari Parker until he decides this fall.

 

[GDogg]

Shabazz Muhammad to UCLA (confirmed) and Nerlens Noel to Georgetown (reportedly).

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Is Tony Parker announcing tonight? I've heard he is gonna pick Georgia.

 

[jeter23]

Shabazz Muhammad to UCLA (confirmed) and Nerlens Noel to Georgetown (reportedly).

Not sure where you're hearing that, but the word around UK circles the past couple days is we get neither. Thought Noel would come to UK, but never felt good about Shabazz.

 

[jeter23]

Is Tony Parker announcing tonight? I've heard he is gonna pick Georgia.

He is not announcing tonight.

 

[GDogg]

Shabazz Muhammad to UCLA (confirmed) and Nerlens Noel to Georgetown (reportedly).

Not sure where you're hearing that, but the word around UK circles the past couple days is we get neither. Thought Noel would come to UK, but never felt good about Shabazz.

It's everywhere. CBS, Scout, etc. is reporting it.