As Righetti's survey showed, there are a number of us here. Let's hear what you know or think.Johnson's signing today takes eliminates the need to take a WR day one, assuming no amazing value presents itself, and frees the team up to address the defensive side of the ball and OL. More importantly, it will provide some flexibility and, perhaps, allow the team to move up and or down early on in the draft, as a team need just got filled. DJ seems to be the consesus pick but, if he goes sooner, will the team take the CB left or drop down; net an extra pick and take the OL or DE? Do they take the OL at 10? Do they take a DE at 10? What do you hear and what do you see?There's not much Lions chatter in south Texas so curious to see what those folks up north have to say on the matter.
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Seem's like DJ is the first choice, but if he goes Detroit news is talking defense. One of those DE's...Merriman, Ware, or James. I have also heard reciever if one of the top 2 possibly slips (but that was before the latest signing). Here is a link to an article...
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ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I see them clearly going defense with the picks either Rolle or Jones if they fall, Derrick Johnson, or a DE like Merriman.I would love to see them move down as much as they can and take a DE and then move back into the first round if they have to and get Brodney Pool and a QB in the third...
Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
The darkhorse name being bandied about today is Pollack at 10.
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
That would be a terrible pick at #10. I could see them going with someone like that if they traded down into the 20's or something, but not if they stay put.
Awesome kid. SOB on the field and choir boy off it. Solid citizen and special player but 10 is probably a little too early for him especially since he is probably best suited playing with his hands up.That would take some serious intestinal fortitude to pull the trigger on that pick, assuming Ware; Merriman and Spears were available. I think Pollack will be a productive player but it will be for someone drafting in the 17-25 range. God, no, I hope they do not take Barron. Just say no, Millen.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
If DJ isn't there at #10, I hope the Lions trade down and add another 2nd round pick. Then I hope they select Adrian McPherson with that extra pick.
If they do trade out into a lower first round pick, I like Erasamus James even though his stock has dropped recently. David Pollack is also a possibility.
But DJ is the only player worth taking for the Lions at #10. If he's gone, they need to trade down and I'm sure they'll find a team willing to trade up in that scenario.
If they do trade out into a lower first round pick, I like Erasamus James even though his stock has dropped recently. David Pollack is also a possibility.
But DJ is the only player worth taking for the Lions at #10. If he's gone, they need to trade down and I'm sure they'll find a team willing to trade up in that scenario.
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As the consensus states, first and foremost, I hope that DJ is available. If not, I think the safest and smartest pick is one of the top 3 corners. Word has it personnel like Rogers better than Pac-man because of his height, but I for one do not place too much stock in that as a corner. I think that Bly has proven that a corner can be effective and below the 'required' height. Especially with Kennedy bashing in skulls and paying fines every week. I also agree that Pollack would be a smart choice if they are able to trade down. If Rolle, Pac-man, DJ, MW or one of the big three RBs are available at 10, the Lions will have trade bait. They may pass and select Pollack. Rumors say that the first three selections targetted will NOT be starters this year (if DJ is not there). That leads me to believe they may be going in the direction of DE, CB then QB. But there are so many scenerios. Gonna be a good weekend. Leos are in a prime position in this draft.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more...anyone who's been mentioned in this thread but Barron at that pick and I'm happy...
-OZ-
Footballguy
DJ is the pick.If he's gone (there's actually talk that he'll slip to 15 for the Chiefs), trade down to the 15, repay KC the favor from last year (I'm not sure what it takes, but they'd work something out), KC will take Rogers, and Detroit should take Pollack at the 15. Some say he's a small reach there, but he's NFL-ready, and will make a quick impact.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I like Pollack too. All the guy does is produce. The way I look at productivity of college players is do the other teams have to gameplan for that guy and does the player produce and produce when it matters? The answer is yes to all three for me when I look at Pollack. If the Lions slide down to 15, pick up an extra pick and take Pollack, that would be great.
mulliganm
Footballguy
They really don't have a great second tackle....They will probably start Matt Joyce opposite Backus with DeMulling, Raiola and Wood inside.Unfortunately, the Lions have not been great at grooming linemen, and from everything I've heard Barron is a good, but not great tackle that is only mentioned because there isn't anyone better. If the Lions draft a tackle, he better be pretty darn good coming out.
Al Czervik
Not wearing pants
Don't forget they now officially have Kyle Kosier from San Fran. From MLive:
Al Czervik
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Pollack / Defensive Line Article - Thursday 4/21/05
Draft preview series: Lions looking hard at Pollack for first-round pick
ALLEN PARK -- Here's a name to remember: David Pollack. You probably haven't heard a lot of about him because the draft "experts" don't have him listed among the top 10 prospects for Saturday's draft.
But listen to Detroit Lions president Matt Millen gush about Pollack, the Georgia defensive end:
"He's versatile, he has great intangibles. He has a high, high motor and he's got a good little mean streak in him, which I really like. I think he'll energize wherever he goes. I think he'll be one of those players where you can't put him in just one spot because he's so versatile. You've got to move him around and he'll really help your defense.
"You can move him inside, you can put his hand in the dirt outside, you can line him up outside as outside backer, there's a lot of stuff you can do with him."
Including drafting him. Millen didn't tip his hand Wednesday about who the Lions will take with their 10th overall pick -- he spoke highly of a lot of players -- but Pollack fits what the Lions need.
Millen is a big believer that games are won in the trenches, and Detroit's defense needs more playmakers. Also, the Lions like to rotate defensive linemen, not just in and out of the game, but up and down the line and Pollack would be an ideal fit there.
Most draft analysts, however, have Pollack listed behind players like Maryland's Shawne Merriman, Wisconsin's Erasmus James, Troy State's Demarcus Ware and LSU's Marcus Spears.
While Pollack's college production is second-to-none, he doesn't specialize in any one area. However, unlike Pollack, who can play almost anywhere, several of those other players are limited in what they can do.
"It's a real good group, but there are some tweeners there," Millen said, referring to players who are a cross between a defensive end and an outside linebacker. "There's a bunch of good football players, but you're going to have to find a spot for some of those guys. It's how you want to use them. You've got to know what you're getting and make it work."
The other knock on Pollack is his lack of ideal size -- he's 6-foot-2, 260 pounds -- and speed, something that has earned him the tag of "overachiever."
"I hate that term," Millen said. "It implies that he plays above his skill level, which . . . I don't understand it. Every time you watch that kid play, he plays at a high, very intense level."
While it's possible the Lions might go in another direction with their first-round pick, it seems certain they'll try to address the defensive line at some point in the draft.
Detroit is in decent shape at end with James Hall, Corey Redding, Kalimba Edwards and Jared DeVries, but there are some question marks at defensive tackle. Pro Bowler Shaun Rogers anchors one spot, but Dan Wilkinson is entering his 12th NFL year and the Lions are looking for a long-term replacement.
Draft preview series: Lions looking hard at Pollack for first-round pick
ALLEN PARK -- Here's a name to remember: David Pollack. You probably haven't heard a lot of about him because the draft "experts" don't have him listed among the top 10 prospects for Saturday's draft.
But listen to Detroit Lions president Matt Millen gush about Pollack, the Georgia defensive end:
"He's versatile, he has great intangibles. He has a high, high motor and he's got a good little mean streak in him, which I really like. I think he'll energize wherever he goes. I think he'll be one of those players where you can't put him in just one spot because he's so versatile. You've got to move him around and he'll really help your defense.
"You can move him inside, you can put his hand in the dirt outside, you can line him up outside as outside backer, there's a lot of stuff you can do with him."
Including drafting him. Millen didn't tip his hand Wednesday about who the Lions will take with their 10th overall pick -- he spoke highly of a lot of players -- but Pollack fits what the Lions need.
Millen is a big believer that games are won in the trenches, and Detroit's defense needs more playmakers. Also, the Lions like to rotate defensive linemen, not just in and out of the game, but up and down the line and Pollack would be an ideal fit there.
Most draft analysts, however, have Pollack listed behind players like Maryland's Shawne Merriman, Wisconsin's Erasmus James, Troy State's Demarcus Ware and LSU's Marcus Spears.
While Pollack's college production is second-to-none, he doesn't specialize in any one area. However, unlike Pollack, who can play almost anywhere, several of those other players are limited in what they can do.
"It's a real good group, but there are some tweeners there," Millen said, referring to players who are a cross between a defensive end and an outside linebacker. "There's a bunch of good football players, but you're going to have to find a spot for some of those guys. It's how you want to use them. You've got to know what you're getting and make it work."
The other knock on Pollack is his lack of ideal size -- he's 6-foot-2, 260 pounds -- and speed, something that has earned him the tag of "overachiever."
"I hate that term," Millen said. "It implies that he plays above his skill level, which . . . I don't understand it. Every time you watch that kid play, he plays at a high, very intense level."
While it's possible the Lions might go in another direction with their first-round pick, it seems certain they'll try to address the defensive line at some point in the draft.
Detroit is in decent shape at end with James Hall, Corey Redding, Kalimba Edwards and Jared DeVries, but there are some question marks at defensive tackle. Pro Bowler Shaun Rogers anchors one spot, but Dan Wilkinson is entering his 12th NFL year and the Lions are looking for a long-term replacement.
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Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
Kosier was also drafted by Mooch, so I don't think the lions would have made this move if he didn't think the kid was worth it. He has played all over the O-line for the 49ers. That being said The lions won't take Barron with that pick. I still think if Rolle or Pac Man is there, thats their pick. If they're gone its DJ. They could come back around in the 2nd and maybe a guy like Baas from Michigan will still be there to add depth to the o-line.
Great point(s). Pollack is not trendy or flashy but he is safe. I think there is more risk associated with some of the other players at DE. Pollack's production at UGA and constant ability to overachieve cannot be ignored. Conversely, his proverbial upside might not be as great as a Ware but you know what you are getting. His maturity level and coachability, though, helps counter that argument.
Considering the problems encountered with a few of the last first round picks, the selection of Pollack would seem a safe play. Basically, you know exactly what you are getting. Trading down, selecting Pollack and nabbing another pick late 2nd or early 3rd might would not be a bad day at the office. Depending on who falls to the Lions, they could really make out well on a swap of picks.
The only problem is that Pollack has always played with his hand down and is allegedly undersized for a traditional 4-3 DE. However, his combine numbers for LB drills were excellent especially since he has historically been a down lineman.
If the Lions pick him, what do they do with him? That is directed at those folks hearing and reading Pollack as an option. The article above says a lot but says nothing.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
No, i like Pollack, although you can't pick him at 10.I know these are totally different positions, but it reminds of Chris Spielman. I thought/knew Speilman would be a very, very good NFL player coming out of Ohio St., yet he fell into the 2nd round. Everyone said he was to slow, not big enough etc.... however, he was a football player.Pollack is a football player and will make any defense better.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I think the drafting of Rogers and Williams back to back in the 1st round gaurantees no 1st day WR's. There weakness isn't at wide receiver, it's on defense.
Foosball God
Foos
If DJ, Rolle, and Jones are gone and Edwards or Williams is there I could still see them drafting a WR.
Sinrman
Footballguy
I'd be happy as a clam if the Lions get DJ. If someone snags him beforehand, I'd be almost as content if they traded down (not TOO far down though), or taking a shot at Alex Barron (many say it's a bit too early for him, but hey, if the Lions need a top linemen, he's the man, so why not?)
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I'm not worried at all that Pollack = Kalimba because they are not alike in a lot of ways. Edwards has injury issues, lacks intensity and relies on speed to get to the passer where Pollack has great intensity, works hard and has a motor that doesn't stop, uses strength and quickness to get to the QB and makes big plays when it counts. Although he's only 6-2, he has 32.5 inch arms and a 36 inch vertical jump so he has great athletic ability for his size. Also, he is known for his strength as well as he has a 700 squat and a 425 pound bench press1 In fact, he may be the strongest DE in the draft. He can add ten pounds over the next few years and be at a good weight for his position if it becomes a problem.
I would love if we trade down, draft Pollack and pick up a second or third round choice.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
So what do we look for in the second round?I think that a DE or FS makes a lot of sense at that point.
exactly, he was a lot of peoples (teams) #1 player so why not take him at 10? Why take a chance on a DL when they are so unpredictable. He can play in the slot and dominate LB's and safetys. those 3rd and 8 passes that used to be 3 yard completions are now 10-12 yard completions to move the chains. Another factor is the health status of Charles Rogers. He hasn't played a season yet so if he continues to be injury prone Williams can move to his spot. The Lions don't have a glaring need at any position so it's probably best to take the BPA
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Exactly. Most of the people who are pissed are upset because they wanted Williams for their team or want to see the Lions fail. Why not take a WR who has a chance to be great and move our offense into the top tier in the NFL.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
So where do we go 2nd round? I'm thinking a rush end would be nice here, Cody or Roth perhaps. Kalimba isn't getting it done.LB is also a possibility.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Shaun Cody DT/DE - Has good value in the second round but can he play DE in the NFL?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Seems like decent value, but to trade up? Hope they didn't give up much for that.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I agree. I like the Cody pick and think he will be a fine player, but to give up the 4th rounder hurts. We have to make the most of the next pick. I hope it's the best defensive player. I don't think we can afford to take a 3rd QB to groom until our sixth round choice.
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RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
Too bad the Lions don't pick again until the 6th round. Look at all the WR talent left!Craphonso Thorpe, FSUFred Gibson, GeorgiaJ.R. Russell, LouisvilleCraig Bragg, UCLADante Ridgeway, Ball St.Chauncey Stovall, FSUReggie Harrell, TCUGeoff MacArthur, CALJosh Davis, MarshallChad Owens, HawaiiRasheed Marshall, WVULance Moore, ToledoAirese Curry, Clemson 
MSULions
Footballguy
So any chance Orlovsky slips to us in the 6th? Lefors? They need to draft a QB, period. I'm wondering if they try and package 4 and 5 next year to get a 4 this year. I still just don't understand why they gave up a 4th to move up 4 spots in the 2nd round for a guy that in all likelyhood would still be there....and if not, there were other very solid options at the same position.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I think we can hope that Orlovsky falls to the 6th, but it will be a long wait. Like I said, I love the Lions getting Cody, but to give up the 4th instead of the sixth rounder for 4 spots is tough. I hope he's there because McPherson will be long gone by then and the Lions need a 3rd QB to groom just in case.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
I felt the Lions had a wretched draft. Everyone was laughing when Mike Williams was picked. Cody good pick but kind of a high price. Was the Offensive line NOT at the top of their list??? was the fact Harrington gets clobbered every play NOT a concern?Oh well...I like Mariucci and I know he is the end all be all... but the Williams trade... C, C- for the draft so far.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Do you even follow the Lions Gargoylez? OL was not their top priority by a long shot. They could use depth at Guard, that's about it. They can get an undrafted FA for that. You clearly do not follow the team dude...The fact is Mike Williams creates matchup problems with all teams he faces when we also have Rogers and Williams. Many teams had him as a top 3 player on their board so I don't get how people were laughing when this pick was made.
I'm going to bring up all these threads of people all pissed because Mike Williams was taken by the Lions and not their team come November when the Lions offense is tearing it up this year. At this point I am becoming convinced that teams like Dallas and San Diego and others are pissed they didn't get him, it's the only explanation.
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ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Just heard a report that the Lions are in negotiations to trade up in the draft today to get a QB. I assume it would be a future pick and possibly our 6th rounder...
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Posted in the Mike Williams thread....
Little love from a Viking fan...
In 1998, I was completely crushed when the Vikings took Randy Moss. I thought we were on the verge of a championship, we just needed some defensive help. When Green rushed up to the podium to select Moss, I was in agony. What was he thinking? We already had Jake Reed and Cris Carter; two wide recievers at the top of their game bringing in 1,000 yard seasons year after year.
It really worked out well for Minnesota, so there should be hope in Detroit. Minnesota was a little different as we only need Moss to run the '9' in 1998 and we had very veteran club already (cunningham, johnson, the offensive line and both wide receivers).
Good luck Detroit!
Little love from a Viking fan...
In 1998, I was completely crushed when the Vikings took Randy Moss. I thought we were on the verge of a championship, we just needed some defensive help. When Green rushed up to the podium to select Moss, I was in agony. What was he thinking? We already had Jake Reed and Cris Carter; two wide recievers at the top of their game bringing in 1,000 yard seasons year after year.
It really worked out well for Minnesota, so there should be hope in Detroit. Minnesota was a little different as we only need Moss to run the '9' in 1998 and we had very veteran club already (cunningham, johnson, the offensive line and both wide receivers).
Good luck Detroit!
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
I agree. Look for Philly to make some trades as they have a lot of picks left and not that many spots on their roster...
