*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (1 Viewer)

[Sack-Religious]

What was Smoke Monster's beef with the Pilot in the First Season?

Don't know if there was any beef, but it may have just served the purpose of scaring the bejeesus out of the 815'ers.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Good read

In the article, they call MIB the "Lockeness Monster"

Jensen does a really good job at capturing a lot of the subtleties of the show.There are a couple things I usually don't agree with in his columns, but they're always interesting reads with some humour sprinkled in.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

French guy who got his arm ripped off, wasn't he attacked by the Smoke Monster at the wall that surrounded the temple?

Also, when Ben was judged, at the time I thought he was below the temple. Guess not? That whole scene doesn't make a ton of sense anymore.

 

[Black Box]

Who is FCL?

Frank Costanza's Lawyer. He had another Seinfeld-related name before that.It's possible that Hulk and FCL are in here again with new names, but I can't keep track of myriad aliai anymore.

I know that Hulk's internet access at work was clamped down. I have no idea who FCL is or was. Before my time in this thread, I guess.

 

[Sack-Religious]

French guy who got his arm ripped off, wasn't he attacked by the Smoke Monster at the wall that surrounded the temple?

Also, when Ben was judged, at the time I thought he was below the temple. Guess not? That whole scene doesn't make a ton of sense anymore.

Yup, he was attacked at the "secret entrance" to the temple. I had those same questions earlier in the thread and someone explained it to me. I'll do my best to re-hash it.

The outer wall of the Temple where the French guy had his arm ripped off is approximately a half-mile from the actual temple itself. When you see notLocke and Claire standing outside the temple, they're well within the inner wall, and can see the pond beyond the circle of ash. Smokey can apparently move around the exterior of the temple, but not actually in it.

I have no clue where the Smokey Chamber is in relation to the Temple itself, but given the above description, it stands to reason that it's not immediately under the Temple proper.

Ben was judged there to help fulfill notLocke's "loophole" Smokey had the appearance of Locke at that point and was with Ben as he went into the chamber. Smokey then appeared to Ben as Alex telling him that he had to do whatever Locke (who was actually Smokey, looking like Locke) told him. Ben, feeling that he just dodged a bullet in Smokey's judgement chamber and listening to the advice of his dead daughter then does everything notLocke asks him to and culminates in Ben killing Jacob.

Does that help at all?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

French guy who got his arm ripped off, wasn't he attacked by the Smoke Monster at the wall that surrounded the temple?

Also, when Ben was judged, at the time I thought he was below the temple. Guess not? That whole scene doesn't make a ton of sense anymore.

Yup, he was attacked at the "secret entrance" to the temple. I had those same questions earlier in the thread and someone explained it to me. I'll do my best to re-hash it.

The outer wall of the Temple where the French guy had his arm ripped off is approximately a half-mile from the actual temple itself. When you see notLocke and Claire standing outside the temple, they're well within the inner wall, and can see the pond beyond the circle of ash. Smokey can apparently move around the exterior of the temple, but not actually in it.

I have no clue where the Smokey Chamber is in relation to the Temple itself, but given the above description, it stands to reason that it's not immediately under the Temple proper.

Ben was judged there to help fulfill notLocke's "loophole" Smokey had the appearance of Locke at that point and was with Ben as he went into the chamber. Smokey then appeared to Ben as Alex telling him that he had to do whatever Locke (who was actually Smokey, looking like Locke) told him. Ben, feeling that he just dodged a bullet in Smokey's judgement chamber and listening to the advice of his dead daughter then does everything notLocke asks him to and culminates in Ben killing Jacob.

Does that help at all?

yes.but wasn't the smoke monster described as a "security system" that protected the temple at one point? Richard or someone said that. If the sonar fence kept the smoke monster out of New Otherton, why not put one around the temple too? Hell, why not lock the Smoke Monster in the cabin with a sonar fence instead of a little ash circle. (btw, that is something that will likely never be revisited - who broke the ash circle around the cabin in the first place. And how could the cabin move. And why couldn't everyone see it).

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

And why would the smoke monster give a rip about the French people?

 

[beer 30]

We can only hope that the finale of good vs evil comes down to Juliette, Kate, Claire and Jacks ex having a bikini pillow fight.

Only ending I'm willing to accept at this point

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

French guy who got his arm ripped off, wasn't he attacked by the Smoke Monster at the wall that surrounded the temple?Also, when Ben was judged, at the time I thought he was below the temple. Guess not? That whole scene doesn't make a ton of sense anymore.

How not? His dead daughter told him to listen to and follow whatever Locke said. That's how nonLocke got Ben and Richard to follow him and take him to Jacob and how notLocke got Ben to kill Jacob.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

French guy who got his arm ripped off, wasn't he attacked by the Smoke Monster at the wall that surrounded the temple?Also, when Ben was judged, at the time I thought he was below the temple. Guess not? That whole scene doesn't make a ton of sense anymore.

How not? His dead daughter told him to listen to and follow whatever Locke said. That's how nonLocke got Ben and Richard to follow him and take him to Jacob and how notLocke got Ben to kill Jacob.

understood.just why drag them to the temple (he tried to summon him back at the barracks but failed - no real reason for it to fail, since Locke was right there the whole time). guess it built suspense.

 

[Sack-Religious]

This was posted earlier in the thread, but I think it's something everyone should re-read again. It's an interview between Jeff Jensen of EW and Cuse and Lindelof after the season premiere.

Additional text and links here: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-pre...-damon-carlton/

Fortunately, here are the producers to offer some assurance of answers and provide some helpful context for season 6.

EW: The whole idea of flash-sideways and the plan to use season 6 to show us a world where Oceanic 815 never crashed — how long has that been in the works? Why did you want to do it?

DAMON LINDELOF: It’s been in play for at least a couple of years. We knew that the ending of the time travel season was going to be an attempt to reboot. And as a result, we [knew] the audience was going to come out of the “do-over moment” thinking we were either going start over or just say it didn’t work and continue on. [We thought] wouldn’t it be great if we did both? That was the origin of the story.

CARLTON CUSE: We thought just doing one [of those options] would inherently not be satisfying. Since the very beginning of the show, characters started crossing through each other’s stories. Part of our desire [in season 6] is to show that there’s still this kind of weave, that these characters still would have impacted each other’s lives even without the event of crashing on the Island. Obviously, the big question of the season is going to be: How do these [two timelines] reconcile? However, for the fans who have not watched the show closely, that’s an intact narrative. You can just watch the flash sideways — they stand alone all by themselves. For the fans who are more deeply embedded in the show, you can watch those flash sideways, compare them to what transpired in the flashbacks and go, “Oh, that’s an interesting difference.”

LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the Island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.

EW:That said, are you saying definitively that detonating Jughead was the event that created this new timeline? Or is that a mystery which the season 6 story will reveal?

LINDELOF: It’s a mystery. A big one.

CUSE: We did have some concern that it might be confusing kind of going into the season. To clear that up a little bit: The archetypes of the characters are the same and that’s the most significant thing. Kate is still a fugitive. If you were to look at the Comic-Con video, for instance, that now comes into play. There was a different scenario in that story. She basically blew up an apprentice plumber as opposed to killing her biological father/stepfather. Those kind of differences exist, but who the characters fundamentally are is the same. If it becomes too confusing for you, you can just follow the flash sideways for what they are. It’s not as though there’s narrative that hangs on the fact that you need to know that this event was different in that world, in the flashback world versus the sideways world. That’s not critical for being able to process the narrative this season.

EW: Is there a relationship between Island reality and sideways reality? Will they run parallel for the remainder of the season? Will they fuse together? Might one fade away?

LINDELOF: For us, the big risk that we’re taking in the final season of the show is basically this very question. [Lindelof then explains the show has replaced the trademark “whoosh!” sound effect marking the segue between Island present story and flashbacks or flash-forwards, thus calling conspicuous attention to the relationship between the Island world and the Sideways world.] This is the critical mystery of the season, which is, “What is the relationship between these two shows?” And we don’t use the phrase “alternate reality,” because to call one of them an “alternate reality” is to infer that one of them isn’t real, or one of them is real and the other is the alternate to being real.

CUSE: But the questions you’re asking are exactly the right questions. What are we to make of the fact that they’re showing us two different timelines? Are they going to resolve? Are they going to connect? Are they going to co-exist in parallel fashion? Are they going to cross? Do they intersect? Does one prove to be viable and the other one not? I think those are all the kind of speculations that are the right speculations to be having at this point in the season.

LINDELOF: But it is going to require patience. We’ve taught the audience how to be patient thus far, so while they’re getting a lot of mythological answers on the island early in the season, this idea of what is the relationship between the two [worlds] is a little bit more of a slow burn.

EW: Did Jughead really sink the Island? And is it possible that the Sideways characters are now caught in a time loop in which they might have to go back in time and fulfill the obligation to continuity by detonating the bomb?

LINDELOF: These questions will be dealt with on the show. Should you infer that the detonation of Jughead is what sunk the island? Who knows? But there’s the Foot. What do you get when you see that shot? It looks like New Otherton got built. These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when the Island may have sunk. Start to think about it. A couple of episodes down the road, some of the characters might even discuss it. We will say this: season 6 is not about time travel. It’s about the implications, the aftermath, and the causality of trying to change the past. But the idea of continuing to do paradoxical storytelling is not what we’re interested in this year.

 

[Sack-Religious]

French guy who got his arm ripped off, wasn't he attacked by the Smoke Monster at the wall that surrounded the temple?

Also, when Ben was judged, at the time I thought he was below the temple. Guess not? That whole scene doesn't make a ton of sense anymore.

Yup, he was attacked at the "secret entrance" to the temple. I had those same questions earlier in the thread and someone explained it to me. I'll do my best to re-hash it.

The outer wall of the Temple where the French guy had his arm ripped off is approximately a half-mile from the actual temple itself. When you see notLocke and Claire standing outside the temple, they're well within the inner wall, and can see the pond beyond the circle of ash. Smokey can apparently move around the exterior of the temple, but not actually in it.

I have no clue where the Smokey Chamber is in relation to the Temple itself, but given the above description, it stands to reason that it's not immediately under the Temple proper.

Ben was judged there to help fulfill notLocke's "loophole" Smokey had the appearance of Locke at that point and was with Ben as he went into the chamber. Smokey then appeared to Ben as Alex telling him that he had to do whatever Locke (who was actually Smokey, looking like Locke) told him. Ben, feeling that he just dodged a bullet in Smokey's judgement chamber and listening to the advice of his dead daughter then does everything notLocke asks him to and culminates in Ben killing Jacob.

Does that help at all?

yes.but wasn't the smoke monster described as a "security system" that protected the temple at one point? Richard or someone said that. If the sonar fence kept the smoke monster out of New Otherton, why not put one around the temple too? Hell, why not lock the Smoke Monster in the cabin with a sonar fence instead of a little ash circle. (btw, that is something that will likely never be revisited - who broke the ash circle around the cabin in the first place. And how could the cabin move. And why couldn't everyone see it).

I checked on Lostpedia because I couldn't recall all the references to Smokey http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Monster. According to Lostpedia (which admittedly isn't canon) the only people to refer to Smokey as a security system were Rousseau's partner Robert and Rousseau herself. Robert said the smoke was a security system for the Temple. It should be noted that he may have been "claimed" at this point though and could have been lying since it certainly appears right now that Smokey was not a security system for the Temple.The sonar looks to have been built to protect New Otherton from Smokey as I believe Juliet activate the fence to escape it. DHARMA built the fence though, not the original inhabitants, so given the differences in technology, they probably had to make do with the ash.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

French guy who got his arm ripped off, wasn't he attacked by the Smoke Monster at the wall that surrounded the temple?

Also, when Ben was judged, at the time I thought he was below the temple. Guess not? That whole scene doesn't make a ton of sense anymore.

Yup, he was attacked at the "secret entrance" to the temple. I had those same questions earlier in the thread and someone explained it to me. I'll do my best to re-hash it.

The outer wall of the Temple where the French guy had his arm ripped off is approximately a half-mile from the actual temple itself. When you see notLocke and Claire standing outside the temple, they're well within the inner wall, and can see the pond beyond the circle of ash. Smokey can apparently move around the exterior of the temple, but not actually in it.

I have no clue where the Smokey Chamber is in relation to the Temple itself, but given the above description, it stands to reason that it's not immediately under the Temple proper.

Ben was judged there to help fulfill notLocke's "loophole" Smokey had the appearance of Locke at that point and was with Ben as he went into the chamber. Smokey then appeared to Ben as Alex telling him that he had to do whatever Locke (who was actually Smokey, looking like Locke) told him. Ben, feeling that he just dodged a bullet in Smokey's judgement chamber and listening to the advice of his dead daughter then does everything notLocke asks him to and culminates in Ben killing Jacob.

Does that help at all?

yes.but wasn't the smoke monster described as a "security system" that protected the temple at one point? Richard or someone said that. If the sonar fence kept the smoke monster out of New Otherton, why not put one around the temple too? Hell, why not lock the Smoke Monster in the cabin with a sonar fence instead of a little ash circle. (btw, that is something that will likely never be revisited - who broke the ash circle around the cabin in the first place. And how could the cabin move. And why couldn't everyone see it).

I checked on Lostpedia because I couldn't recall all the references to Smokey http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Monster. According to Lostpedia (which admittedly isn't canon) the only people to refer to Smokey as a security system were Rousseau's partner Robert and Rousseau herself. Robert said the smoke was a security system for the Temple. It should be noted that he may have been "claimed" at this point though and could have been lying since it certainly appears right now that Smokey was not a security system for the Temple.The sonar looks to have been built to protect New Otherton from Smokey as I believe Juliet activate the fence to escape it. DHARMA built the fence though, not the original inhabitants, so given the differences in technology, they probably had to make do with the ash.

makes sense.

 

[Sleeping King]

What was Smoke Monster's beef with the Pilot in the First Season?

Don't know if there was any beef, but it may have just served the purpose of scaring the bejeesus out of the 815'ers.

Obviously Smoke Monster can see the future. And the future for the Pilot was to make Heroes unwatchable.

 

[The Duff Man]

The writers have been playing with the audience from day 1.

First the show is about being trapped on a mystical island.

Then it is about the struggle between the others and the 815ers, and how do the Dharma mysteries mix in to this?

Then it is about the Widmore and Ben conflict.

But at the finale of last season, they gave a glimpse about the true story. Jacob and Smokey.

In my opinion, the ONLY questions that matter are the ones remaining that tell their story. What difference does it make if we get a bunch of answers to questions from past seasons that end up being meaningless when you consider the true nature of the entire story?

Back in Season 3 I might have been dieing for the answer to some Dharma questions....but now....who cares?

They kept the wool over our eyes for 5 seasons, and entertained us while doing it.

At the same time, they kept true to many of the central themes of the story outlined earlier (science v faith etc) with the main one being good v evil and the VERY blurry line between the two. It is damn hard to tell who is good and evil...and the characters all think they are the good ones, even when they are doing something that most would consider evil.

Hurley is probably the only GOOD character...unless he has done something I can't think about.

On top of all this, they made excellent use of flashes for character development, to make what the characters were doing believable and thought provoking.

Can't wait to learn more about what this show has really been about the entire time.

 

[northern exposure]

I'm losing patience with this season very quickly. They hyped this week's episode to no end in commercials stating something like"we can't show you too much because it will give away all the answers that are revealed".What answers were revealed exactly?

When has the hype built up in the commercials ever lived up to it? Aside from maybe season finales?What answers do you want revealed exactly? Keep in mind that there's still 12 hours worth of episodes coming and they can't answer everything now because they still have those 12 hours of show to fill. If you get answers now why would you keep watching? We're not even half-way through the season yet and people are already pissing and moaning that they're not getting answers quick enough. This is unbelievable to me. This show's always been about a slow burn that weaves many intricate and interlacing stories together that then give answers. I get the feeling that many of the people who are becoming frustrated want a big TA-DA! moment every episode so they can check a question off the list. This show's never done anything like that, so why would they start now in the first third of the final season? There's still plenty of time for the reveals to come since you can tell they're building towards the climax.

Obviously the show has always dragged things out. I just don't remember the previews so blatantly promising "big answers will be revealed" , only to deliver next to none (other than the significance of the baseball). I'm fine with the show proceeding at its usual pace, but don't promise me something and then not deliver. People that watch Lost will continue to watch Lost without gimmicks like this. I have a feeling we will not get all the answers when this season concludes. I have a feeling either a Sopranos type, open ended series finale or a Dallas like out of left field finale is what we'll get.

 

[Aloof]

The writers have been playing with the audience from day 1.First the show is about being trapped on a mystical island.Then it is about the struggle between the others and the 815ers, and how do the Dharma mysteries mix in to this?Then it is about the Widmore and Ben conflict. But at the finale of last season, they gave a glimpse about the true story. Jacob and Smokey. In my opinion, the ONLY questions that matter are the ones remaining that tell their story. What difference does it make if we get a bunch of answers to questions from past seasons that end up being meaningless when you consider the true nature of the entire story?Back in Season 3 I might have been dieing for the answer to some Dharma questions....but now....who cares?They kept the wool over our eyes for 5 seasons, and entertained us while doing it.At the same time, they kept true to many of the central themes of the story outlined earlier (science v faith etc) with the main one being good v evil and the VERY blurry line between the two. It is damn hard to tell who is good and evil...and the characters all think they are the good ones, even when they are doing something that most would consider evil.Hurley is probably the only GOOD character...unless he has done something I can't think about.On top of all this, they made excellent use of flashes for character development, to make what the characters were doing believable and thought provoking. Can't wait to learn more about what this show has really been about the entire time.

HOW DID THE DHARMA PLANES FIND THE ISLAND??????????????

 

[Sleeping King]

HOW DID THE DHARMA PLANES FIND THE ISLAND??????????????

That magnetic swinging pen apparatus that Eloise Hawking was using to find the Ajira flight right?

 

[AcerFC]

I am not trying to be one of the pessimistic people who are disrespecting the show.

But even the die hards can not love the direction the show has gone so far. Like I said, I am sure they are setting it up and it will be what we are used to. But Boston Fred (I think it was him) is correct. We have devoted so much time to the show and have loved every minute of it but many of the story lines will not be explained (as it looks right now)

Things like why women could not give birth on the island, what was the deal with the polar bear, why and how did Ben move the island, why were the kids taken from the tail section of the plane, why did Dharma come to the island, why is there some great magnetic force there, what was exactly going on with Faradays mom, what was with jacks dad and Claire in Jacobs house, why do people have healing powers on the island (Locke and Rose)

These are just a few of the things I can think of that I do not think will be covered in the 12 hours left. I hope they are.

I still do not know what to think of the sideways world. Is it an alternate reality like Fringe, is it what would have happened if the plane landed (I dont think so but my wife does), is it a dream.

I think there will be something that takes place that will make everything come together. I love this show but I think we are owed something for our dedication to it. Like Boston Fred said, it is basically coming down to Jacob vs Smokey, and honestly, I can not see how that was the plan from Day 1.

I will reserve judgment until the end though.

 

[Dr. No]

I am not trying to be one of the pessimistic people who are disrespecting the show. But even the die hards can not love the direction the show has gone so far. Like I said, I am sure they are setting it up and it will be what we are used to. But Boston Fred (I think it was him) is correct. We have devoted so much time to the show and have loved every minute of it but many of the story lines will not be explained (as it looks right now)Things like why women could not give birth on the island, what was the deal with the polar bear, why and how did Ben move the island, why were the kids taken from the tail section of the plane, why did Dharma come to the island, why is there some great magnetic force there, what was exactly going on with Faradays mom, what was with jacks dad and Claire in Jacobs house, why do people have healing powers on the island (Locke and Rose)These are just a few of the things I can think of that I do not think will be covered in the 12 hours left. I hope they are.I still do not know what to think of the sideways world. Is it an alternate reality like Fringe, is it what would have happened if the plane landed (I dont think so but my wife does), is it a dream. I think there will be something that takes place that will make everything come together. I love this show but I think we are owed something for our dedication to it. Like Boston Fred said, it is basically coming down to Jacob vs Smokey, and honestly, I can not see how that was the plan from Day 1. I will reserve judgment until the end though.

Agree.. I don't need total details on every little thing.. like I'm ok if they choose not to explain what happened with Daniel Faraday's girlfriend going crazy... nor do i need them to explain the island's "magnetism" or even its "healing powers".. I can be ok with that simply being "island lore"... but I agree... you can't just have an entire huge story line about women not being able to have babies on the island, having an entire character that revolved around that fact (juliet), and not give some damn good closure on it.don't build up this entire battle of widmore vs. ben and explain all this stuff about the early dharma years and then basically take widmore out of the equation entirely for several episodes.don't make these "numbers" a huge part of several episodes and then just give us this explanation of their importance being: "oh, jacob had a thing for numbers" that just insults your audience.how did Eloise know exactly what was happening with Desmond and could "see the future"WTF was the entire point of the Dharma initiative

 

[Joseph]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.

1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.

2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.

3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.

So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

 

[jestertj]

What if the Flash Sideways are the "new" lives/wishes granted by the MIB (or Jacob?) Samurai could have his son live but could never see him again. Sayid could have Nadia alive again, but would not be with her. There's always a catch, but as the season plays out we get to see what each 815'er sacrificed for their "wish."

This was my thought while watching.

 

[Joseph]

The numbers were also "explained" via various lost experience type sources. They represent the key human variables that plug into the equation that calculates the end of the world. We also know that they correspond to certain of the "candidates". That doesn't give you enough to write a 15 page wiki article on the numbers and Lost, but the story isn't over yet, and I feel pretty certain we're on the path to finding out more about the candidates and what makes them different and that will give us some information to infer back to the numbers.

Numbers -> end of world equation

Numbers -> candidates

we just don't know how they all relate to each other. Yet.

 

[Black Box]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

Good call.Also throw in the training system for the bears to get their fish treats to weed out the dumb bears.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

Good call.Also throw in the training system for the bears to get their fish treats to weed out the dumb bears.

I thought Walt imagined the polar bears to the island because they were in his comic book

 

[AcerFC]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

Good call.Also throw in the training system for the bears to get their fish treats to weed out the dumb bears.

I thought Walt imagined the polar bears to the island because they were in his comic book

I was going to add Walt to my list but decided they just couldnt figure out what to do with him so they ousted him.I know the polar bear stuff was touched on but I would have liked more concrete stuff. Why was the island attached to freezing place anyway (was it Russia- I cant remember).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

Good call.Also throw in the training system for the bears to get their fish treats to weed out the dumb bears.

I thought Walt imagined the polar bears to the island because they were in his comic book

I was going to add Walt to my list but decided they just couldnt figure out what to do with him so they ousted him.I know the polar bear stuff was touched on but I would have liked more concrete stuff. Why was the island attached to freezing place anyway (was it Russia- I cant remember).

It isn't Russia, Danny.

 

[bostonfred]

Walt may have died early on, and the smoke monster was pretending to be him. That would explain him shushing everyone, since the smoke monster could appear back then, but didn't seem capable of talking. It would also be consistent with the thing about Locke saying Hey Sayid, and it being too late for Sayid to kill him.

 

[stbugs]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

Good call.Also throw in the training system for the bears to get their fish treats to weed out the dumb bears.

I thought Walt imagined the polar bears to the island because they were in his comic book

I was going to add Walt to my list but decided they just couldnt figure out what to do with him so they ousted him.I know the polar bear stuff was touched on but I would have liked more concrete stuff. Why was the island attached to freezing place anyway (was it Russia- I cant remember).

More concrete stuff? We don't know what the wheel is/where it came from, but we pretty much got everything we could want on the polar bears. Also, the island is no attached to any freezing place. Penny (Desmond's chick) knew enough about the island to have people working for her (in the cold place) looking for magnetic distubances. They saw the "signature" of the island when Locke didn't press the button soon enough and the hatch exploded/sky went purple. The wheel sent people to Tunisia where we saw Ben and the dead polar bear. Oh, and please don't get people going on Russians.Anyway, this is part of the problem with complaints. We have gotten a lot of closure on a lot of things, but there is so much we have seen that people forget or missed them. If you have questions, I would bet that lostpedia.com or other sites probably have all of the info on the numbers, polar bears, etc.

 

[rick6668]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.

1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.

2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.

3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.

So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

Good call.Also throw in the training system for the bears to get their fish treats to weed out the dumb bears.

I agree. I don't think they need to answer any questions on this.From Lostpedia:

Charlotte Lewis unearthed a polar bear skeleton wearing a leather collar bearing the Hydra logo in the Tunisian desert in 2004. It is highly likely the bear arrived here per DHARMA experiments being carried out at the Orchid.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think they explained the polar bear thing... Maybe not directly, but the info was there.

1. Its pretty f'n cold at the donkey wheel.

2. They had cages for the polar bears that they used to train them.

3. Polar bear skeleton found in the desert in Tunisia by (Ben, Locke, can't remember which one) after they turned the donkey wheel.

So Dharma was experimenting with the wheel thingy (whether they put the wheel there or not, doesn't matter), and needed a trainable, non-human that could withstand some amount of time in the colder temperature of the room where the donkey wheel was. They trained up some polar bears for that purpose, had at least one of them turn the wheel, ran some experiments and when they were killed in the purge some of them escaped their cages and went feral on the island...

Good call.Also throw in the training system for the bears to get their fish treats to weed out the dumb bears.

I thought Walt imagined the polar bears to the island because they were in his comic book

I was going to add Walt to my list but decided they just couldnt figure out what to do with him so they ousted him.I know the polar bear stuff was touched on but I would have liked more concrete stuff. Why was the island attached to freezing place anyway (was it Russia- I cant remember).

More concrete stuff? We don't know what the wheel is/where it came from, but we pretty much got everything we could want on the polar bears. Also, the island is no attached to any freezing place. Penny (Desmond's chick) knew enough about the island to have people working for her (in the cold place) looking for magnetic distubances. They saw the "signature" of the island when Locke didn't press the button soon enough and the hatch exploded/sky went purple. The wheel sent people to Tunisia where we saw Ben and the dead polar bear. Oh, and please don't get people going on Russians.

Anyway, this is part of the problem with complaints. We have gotten a lot of closure on a lot of things, but there is so much we have seen that people forget or missed them. If you have questions, I would bet that lostpedia.com or other sites probably have all of the info on the numbers, polar bears, etc.

So, nobody went, say, down a well on a tropical island to a place where a wheel was surrounded by snow? Or blew open a wall in a Dharma station to reveal a wheel that had been frozen over? I mean, I can drive 2 hours into the mountains and get from 75 to snowy during times of the year, but even I find it odd that one end of a well is a tropical paradise, while the other end produces frozen donkey wheels in lieu of water.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I am not trying to be one of the pessimistic people who are disrespecting the show.

But even the die hards can not love the direction the show has gone so far. Like I said, I am sure they are setting it up and it will be what we are used to. But Boston Fred (I think it was him) is correct. We have devoted so much time to the show and have loved every minute of it but many of the story lines will not be explained (as it looks right now)

Things like why women could not give birth on the island, what was the deal with the polar bear, why and how did Ben move the island, why were the kids taken from the tail section of the plane, why did Dharma come to the island, why is there some great magnetic force there, what was exactly going on with Faradays mom, what was with jacks dad and Claire in Jacobs house, why do people have healing powers on the island (Locke and Rose)

These are just a few of the things I can think of that I do not think will be covered in the 12 hours left. I hope they are.

I still do not know what to think of the sideways world. Is it an alternate reality like Fringe, is it what would have happened if the plane landed (I dont think so but my wife does), is it a dream.

I think there will be something that takes place that will make everything come together. I love this show but I think we are owed something for our dedication to it. Like Boston Fred said, it is basically coming down to Jacob vs Smokey, and honestly, I can not see how that was the plan from Day 1.

I will reserve judgment until the end though.

The bolded have already been answered. Polar bears were brought there to turn the donkey wheel. "Why" Ben moved the island was because Widmore's men were on a boat right off of the island, and looking to take it back. Dharma came to the island to try to change a variable in the Valenzetti Equation, therefore delaying the inevitable destruction of the world by mankind.

 

[Sack-Religious]

The numbers were also "explained" via various lost experience type sources. They represent the key human variables that plug into the equation that calculates the end of the world. We also know that they correspond to certain of the "candidates". That doesn't give you enough to write a 15 page wiki article on the numbers and Lost, but the story isn't over yet, and I feel pretty certain we're on the path to finding out more about the candidates and what makes them different and that will give us some information to infer back to the numbers. Numbers -> end of world equation Numbers -> candidateswe just don't know how they all relate to each other. Yet.

I like this idea of the Valenzetti Equation and the Candidates relating to each other. One of the purposes of the DHARMA Initiative was to change the core values in the hopes of staving off doomsday.From Lostpedia:

The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive by, effectively, changing doomsday. However, Thomas Mittelwerk reveals that as of 2006, they have failed to change the values through manipulating the environment, as the equation continues to arrive at the same six numbers.

So, we have DHARMA manipulating the environment to no success. And we have Jacob manipulating the human factors to perhaps not fight, destroy and corrupt. "It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress." Jacob has assigned people these numbers for who knows how long, perhaps in the hopes that eventually one of them does enough to keep his opposite from destroying the world.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am not trying to be one of the pessimistic people who are disrespecting the show.

But even the die hards can not love the direction the show has gone so far. Like I said, I am sure they are setting it up and it will be what we are used to. But Boston Fred (I think it was him) is correct. We have devoted so much time to the show and have loved every minute of it but many of the story lines will not be explained (as it looks right now)

Things like why women could not give birth on the island, what was the deal with the polar bear, why and how did Ben move the island, why were the kids taken from the tail section of the plane, why did Dharma come to the island, why is there some great magnetic force there, what was exactly going on with Faradays mom, what was with jacks dad and Claire in Jacobs house, why do people have healing powers on the island (Locke and Rose)

These are just a few of the things I can think of that I do not think will be covered in the 12 hours left. I hope they are.

I still do not know what to think of the sideways world. Is it an alternate reality like Fringe, is it what would have happened if the plane landed (I dont think so but my wife does), is it a dream.

I think there will be something that takes place that will make everything come together. I love this show but I think we are owed something for our dedication to it. Like Boston Fred said, it is basically coming down to Jacob vs Smokey, and honestly, I can not see how that was the plan from Day 1.

I will reserve judgment until the end though.

The bolded have already been answered. Polar bears were brought there to turn the donkey wheel. "Why" Ben moved the island was because Widmore's men were on a boat right off of the island, and looking to take it back. Dharma came to the island to try to change a variable in the Valenzetti Equation, therefore delaying the inevitable destruction of the world by mankind.

If you've been insane enough to ONLY treat the television show as a television show and not an event that requires internet research and side-games and non-canon crap, you wouldn't really have seen any of this, though, no? They haven't really done much with explaining this on the show, have they? Wasn't that mostly addressed off-show?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The numbers were also "explained" via various lost experience type sources. They represent the key human variables that plug into the equation that calculates the end of the world. We also know that they correspond to certain of the "candidates". That doesn't give you enough to write a 15 page wiki article on the numbers and Lost, but the story isn't over yet, and I feel pretty certain we're on the path to finding out more about the candidates and what makes them different and that will give us some information to infer back to the numbers. Numbers -> end of world equation Numbers -> candidateswe just don't know how they all relate to each other. Yet.

I like this idea of the Valenzetti Equation and the Candidates relating to each other. One of the purposes of the DHARMA Initiative was to change the core values in the hopes of staving off doomsday.From Lostpedia:

The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive by, effectively, changing doomsday. However, Thomas Mittelwerk reveals that as of 2006, they have failed to change the values through manipulating the environment, as the equation continues to arrive at the same six numbers.

So, we have DHARMA manipulating the environment to no success. And we have Jacob manipulating the human factors to perhaps not fight, destroy and corrupt. "It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress." Jacob has assigned people these numbers for who knows how long, perhaps in the hopes that eventually one of them does enough to keep his opposite from destroying the world.

Wouldn't Kate, who is the one with the non-"number" number value have to be the altering factor, then?

 

[TheGoat]

Heard that we get to find out why the huge Egyptian statue broke this next episode.

Completely stoked!!!!

 

[Sack-Religious]

The numbers were also "explained" via various lost experience type sources. They represent the key human variables that plug into the equation that calculates the end of the world. We also know that they correspond to certain of the "candidates". That doesn't give you enough to write a 15 page wiki article on the numbers and Lost, but the story isn't over yet, and I feel pretty certain we're on the path to finding out more about the candidates and what makes them different and that will give us some information to infer back to the numbers. Numbers -> end of world equation Numbers -> candidateswe just don't know how they all relate to each other. Yet.

I like this idea of the Valenzetti Equation and the Candidates relating to each other. One of the purposes of the DHARMA Initiative was to change the core values in the hopes of staving off doomsday.From Lostpedia:

The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive by, effectively, changing doomsday. However, Thomas Mittelwerk reveals that as of 2006, they have failed to change the values through manipulating the environment, as the equation continues to arrive at the same six numbers.

So, we have DHARMA manipulating the environment to no success. And we have Jacob manipulating the human factors to perhaps not fight, destroy and corrupt. "It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress." Jacob has assigned people these numbers for who knows how long, perhaps in the hopes that eventually one of them does enough to keep his opposite from destroying the world.

Wouldn't Kate, who is the one with the non-"number" number value have to be the altering factor, then?

Quite possibly, yes. Only time will tell.

 

[packersfan]

Kate's place in all of this could be very interesting. Jacob didn't want her along with Jack and Hurley when they went to the Lighthouse and Lockeness didn't appear to want her with his group after Sundown. Sawyer essentially rejected her too. She doesn't appear to belong anywhere at the present time.

 

[Buckna]

Loving this season so far, I'm so behind on posts I'm not sure where to start.

I do feel like bumping my earlier post about the parallel's to Battlestar Galactica's last season and how so many viewers mainly whined the whole time (myself included.) I have more faith in Lost's writers though, and I'm surprised how people aren't connecting the dots on a lot of things with answers and how some of the early mysteries are dove-tailing into the close of the show.

I definitely understand how people are bored with the flashsideways thing though. I hated the kate/Claire ep, and found last night's Sayiid one somewhat interesting but not amazing. A lot of it has to do with the subtle changes and more importantly NOT changes in their characters. I think you have to buy into that there will be a payoff for it at the end of the season like it states in that interview with the writers.

 

[Buckna]

So TMIB is going to try and recruit Kate next? What kind of apple can he offer her?

The impression I got at the end was he didn't expect Kate to be there but didn't have a problem with it. It's like he got a bonus gift with her coming along.Anybody else have the same feeling about his reaction to seeing Kate or am I off base there?

Dead on with his reaction. He was absolutely surprised that she came along, but since she came he didn't have an issue with it.

It appears that they are setting up Kate to save Claire.

Absolutely. The one thing I don't get about Claire and her turn to evil is that she was nothing like Sayid and in no way before her "capture" by MIB as Christian Sheppard was she a bad person. I could see where a test would say that Sayid was out of balance on the evil side, but not Claire. MIB had to have done something to Claire. Even the parallels to Danielle don't seem to make sense as Danielle as whacked out as she was, was not a bad person at heart. She didn't kill Sayid like Claire has killed the temple folks.I am interested to see more of Claire and how she got turned because I remember a long time ago when Locke saw her with MIB/Christian in what he thought was Jacob's cabin. Pretty sure a bunch of us posted that she looked crazy. She was just giggling and acting like she didn't know Locke at all. Almost like MIB had told her how he was conning Locke to be able to come back as him after he died.

My guess is that we will get a Claire centric episode at some point that will explain what happened to her. Maybe show her being tortured in the temple, etc.

 

[Buckna]

So TMIB is going to try and recruit Kate next? What kind of apple can he offer her?

The impression I got at the end was he didn't expect Kate to be there but didn't have a problem with it. It's like he got a bonus gift with her coming along.Anybody else have the same feeling about his reaction to seeing Kate or am I off base there?

Yeah, I got kind of the same feeling but more of a "hmm... not sure if I should try and turn her or kill her but I didn't expect to see her here either." Definitely didn't seem like he bought into her being there of her volition.If Sawyer and Jack end up being two opposing sides and fighting it out, she may be the deciding factor or lynchpin between them.

 

[beer 30]

Also, the island is no attached to any freezing place (in Russia). Penny (Desmond's chick) knew enough about the island to have people (Russians) working for her (in the cold place) looking for magnetic disturbances. They (the Russians) saw the "signature" of the island when Locke didn't press the button soon enough and the hatch exploded/sky went purple. The wheel sent people (probably Russians) to Tunisia where we saw Ben and the dead polar bear. Oh, and please don't get people going on Russians.

Probably one of the funniest debates of all LOST time. They were not Portuguese, I don't care what the writers said!

Heard that we get to find out why the huge Egyptian statue broke this next episode.

Completely stoked!!!!

This would be awesome. Between that thing and the foot I'm really interested in some backstory.

 

[Statorama]

did they ever explain where Tom (Mr. Friendly) came from or what his deal was? Was he a Dharma guy?

 

[The Dude]

And here's more criticism - but it's the same old criticism.Last week, Claire states something like "If Kate took my baby, I would kill her."This week, Kate states "Claire, I took Aaron." And there's no action taken? Not even a discussion? I understand that the writers state you have to suspend some belief on why people aren't asking questions at certain times but this is the primary facet of Claire's charactrer right now. You can probably make a case as to why she didn't kill Kate at that point - maybe she needs her now. But there is no conceivable method - not even a suspension of belief - that explains how that conversation doesn't take place.

Claire gave her a pretty serious look. I think in the next few episodes something will happen between Claire and Kate.

Seriously. I mean, there was some craziness going on with the black cloud of death swirling overhead and having to crawl out of a pit and walk through a courtyard of corpses to go follow Satan into the jungle and everything... I'm sure Claire vs. Kate isn't settled yet, quit nit-picking.

Nit-picking

 

[Capella]

God this last page and a half just makes me want to kill myself.

 

[mlball77]

did they ever explain where Tom (Mr. Friendly) came from or what his deal was? Was he a Dharma guy?

Supposedly, Tom was a solid college QB (D-II) and was brought to the island to be the full-time QB during their intense flag football games. His cannon of an arm really elevated the level of play on the island and he was awarded the "four-toe trophy" for most outstanding player for three consecutive years (or whatever units of time exist on the island).(wish I had the clip of him throwing as support of my above claim)

 

[Dr. No]

God this last page and a half just makes me want to kill myself.

"#####ing About How Much Season 6 of LOST Sucks" is suddenly a candidate for the "Stuff White People Like" blog.

maybe it would be better if we created one thread for people who actually still like the show and want to talk about how great the steaming dump the writers are taking on the fan's chests really is.and another thread for people that enjoyed a mostly good show through a few seasons complain about how this sheer crap that we're now watching.

 

[Capella]

That thread already exists, my friend.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11576697

 

[GDogg]

And here's more criticism - but it's the same old criticism.

Last week, Claire states something like "If Kate took my baby, I would kill her."

This week, Kate states "Claire, I took Aaron." And there's no action taken? Not even a discussion? I understand that the writers state you have to suspend some belief on why people aren't asking questions at certain times but this is the primary facet of Claire's charactrer right now.

You can probably make a case as to why she didn't kill Kate at that point - maybe she needs her now. But there is no conceivable method - not even a suspension of belief - that explains how that conversation doesn't take place. Except poor writing.

What would you have had her do? She was at the bottom of a pit. It didn't look like she had a weapon. If she's truly intent on killing Claire, then do you really think she'd telegraph that? "Really? You took Aaron? When I get out of this pit, I'm going to kill you, Kate. No joke. You better not let me out of here!"It made total sense to me. She couldn't kill her at that moment and maybe she does still want to kill her. If so, isn't it best to surprise your victim as opposed to let her know well in advance that you will pounce at any moment?

Regardless, right after Kate told her that (and Claire told Kate she's the one that needed help), they tried to drag Kate away and then Smoke appeared. Not sure when this discussion was supposed to take place...

 

[stbugs]

I was going to add Walt to my list but decided they just couldnt figure out what to do with him so they ousted him.

I know the polar bear stuff was touched on but I would have liked more concrete stuff. Why was the island attached to freezing place anyway (was it Russia- I cant remember).

:IBTL: More concrete stuff? We don't know what the wheel is/where it came from, but we pretty much got everything we could want on the polar bears. Also, the island is no attached to any freezing place. Penny (Desmond's chick) knew enough about the island to have people working for her (in the cold place) looking for magnetic distubances. They saw the "signature" of the island when Locke didn't press the button soon enough and the hatch exploded/sky went purple. The wheel sent people to Tunisia where we saw Ben and the dead polar bear. Oh, and please don't get people going on Russians.

Anyway, this is part of the problem with complaints. We have gotten a lot of closure on a lot of things, but there is so much we have seen that people forget or missed them. If you have questions, I would bet that lostpedia.com or other sites probably have all of the info on the numbers, polar bears, etc.

So, nobody went, say, down a well on a tropical island to a place where a wheel was surrounded by snow? Or blew open a wall in a Dharma station to reveal a wheel that had been frozen over? I mean, I can drive 2 hours into the mountains and get from 75 to snowy during times of the year, but even I find it odd that one end of a well is a tropical paradise, while the other end produces frozen donkey wheels in lieu of water.

He said "Why was the island attached to freezing place anyway (was it Russia- I cant remember)." Nothing to do with the frozen wheel. That was Penny's listening station, but they were checking the world for magnetic (I assume) anomolies which the island registered when the hatch exploded.