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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (2 Viewers)
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All that we know for sure is that Desmond knows what Kelvin told him. He may be some sort of evil mastermind in on the program, but if we take the date on the movie to heart and know that Jack met him only a few years ago, then IMHO, he only knows what was told to him. For all we know, Kelvin found out the same info from the people before him. We just have no idea when the real DHARMA people stopped coming or if this is all an experiment.The whole food room is one issue I have, there is way too much in there for it to not have been replenished recently. I guess if it was stocked top to bottom with other boxes, maybe it got Desmond through 3 years, but there was still a lot and we know that it couldn't go back to 1980, especially since other things, like the washer/dryer are relatively new. Of course, I or we could be reading into everything too much.
Here's one to chew on:Why would the Dharma project set them up with a pretty serious array of weapons? Especially if they were to stay inside the hatch (Quarantine).This almost has to come down to a traditional "Good v. Evil", "Faith v. Science" thing in the end. Two groups: The Other v. The Suvivors. I think Walt somehow tips the scale for the BGs (or at least they think). Also, note they keep adding more and more weapons into the mix (Desmond's Armory).
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BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
It is possible, but I think it is unlikely. Again, if we assume that Desmond isn't part of the evil experiment and take what he says as truth, then it sure seemed like Kelvin died a while ago. Ethan was buried after getting shot, so if he was Kelvin then Desmond (since it is still only a couple weeks) would have said Kelvin was lost. Also, if he and Ethan were buds, then he would have known about the plane, etc.One thing that I am trying to do is assume that people are not lying. Any secret, like Kate's or Jack knowing Desmond or Locke's dad conning him or Hurley knowing the numbers or that Locke didn't tell the whole truth about Boone's death or who poisoned Michael, is a secret amongst the characters, but we the audience know about it. It seems like when people say things that aren't true, the audience gets tipped about it. I think we have to take what characters say, when it is presented as truthful, at face value. That also doesn't mean we know all the answers yet either, but that I personally don't think the answers are that a character is BSing the audience.Why not? I'm wondering the same thing.The big obstacle for me is that Ethan was killed only a couple weeks earlier...seems that Desmond has hit solo routine down.
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Another reason why I belive the whole button pushing thing to be an experiment, is that this episode's flash backs centered on the whole Locke getting conned thing, and his dad said, "Everybody gets conned" or something to that effect. Guess what, Desmond got conned and now the rest of them are gonna buy into it too.
Well, if this is just an elaborate hoax/experiment, wouldn't having a cache of weapons and medicine make you more ready to believe that there is a sickness/sick killer people and there is something to be scared of? They made a big point to reference the arms dealings/weapons manufacturing of the Hanson guy, so maybe that is part of making everything look real or that is SOP for that company in case things go awry and you have to "correct" the situation without anyone finding out.You are correct that there are no a lot of weapons for the survivors and if we found the tail enders, there are at least 50 people pretty well armed.
Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
I thought it looked a little like Shannon. But she's so damn blurry it's really hard to tell.
It also looks like about 10 million other blonde haired girls. Even if it is Jack's wife/Shannon, it doesn't mean much. The writers/producers aren't trying to hide stuff from us. When Shannon's dad died in the ER, they said his last name aloud so everyone could hear it. If all this is is a blurry picture of some blonde, then IMHO it isn't important. We will get hit over the head with it at some point if it is, but for some reason I do think Michael's ex-wife/her husband may come back into play.
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E-Z Glider
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Well, he is still carrying around that statue filled with Heroin. Obviously that will come into play at some point.
Those are a couple flaws I was debating with the Ethan = Kelvin thing. UNLESS, Desmond himself is still hiding something. There have been many posts/questions in this thread about the bunk beds in the hatch, and the movie said there were to be two people hitting the numbers and "pushing the button".Why not? I'm wondering the same thing.The big obstacle for me is that Ethan was killed only a couple weeks earlier...seems that Desmond has hit solo routine down.
What if Desmond was actually Kelvin's second? They heard the crash or the fuselage expoding; Kelvin (Ethan?) went out through the newly discovered (from our point of view) exit to investigate; and since he didn't return, Desmond assumes he died (of the disease?).
Desmond could have been inputting the numbers for a while with Kelvin (Ethan?), and even taking turns, doing the same thing every 216 minutes (assuming shifts), Desmond would have the inputting the numbers and hitting the button down pat. And also, maybe he is freaking out now because he has had to do it himself every 108 minutes for a couple weeks.
I'll be the first to admit that there are other questions/problems/flaws to consider, but what they heck? I think this is just as plausible as some of the other theories being thrown out there.
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Irregardless.
I got the impression Kelvin died quite a while ago.Had it been in the past 20 days when Locke tells Desmond they've been up there 40 days, Desmond probably would have said something like "Did you see a guy wearing a jump suit like mine running around?"Those are a couple flaws I was debating with the Ethan = Kelvin thing. UNLESS, Desmond himself is still hiding something. There have been many posts/questions in this thread about the bunk beds in the hatch, and the movie said there were to be two people hitting the numbers and "pushing the button".Why not? I'm wondering the same thing.The big obstacle for me is that Ethan was killed only a couple weeks earlier...seems that Desmond has hit solo routine down.
What if Desmond was actually Kelvin's second? They heard the crash or the fuselage expoding; Kelvin (Ethan?) went out through the newly discovered (from our point of view) exit to investigate; and since he didn't return, Desmond assumes he died (of the disease?).
Desmond could have been inputting the numbers for a while with Kelvin (Ethan?), and even taking turns, doing the same thing every 216 minutes (assuming shifts), Desmond would have the inputting the numbers and hitting the button down pat. And also, maybe he is freaking out now because he has had to do it himself every 108 minutes for a couple weeks.
I'll be the first to admit that there are other questions/problems/flaws to consider, but what they heck? I think this is just as plausible as some of the other theories being thrown out there.
Not to mention the whole plane crash sounded like news to Desmond.
RedRaiders
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AgreedI got the impression Kelvin died quite a while ago.Had it been in the past 20 days when Locke tells Desmond they've been up there 40 days, Desmond probably would have said something like "Did you see a guy wearing a jump suit like mine running around?"Those are a couple flaws I was debating with the Ethan = Kelvin thing. UNLESS, Desmond himself is still hiding something. There have been many posts/questions in this thread about the bunk beds in the hatch, and the movie said there were to be two people hitting the numbers and "pushing the button".Why not? I'm wondering the same thing.The big obstacle for me is that Ethan was killed only a couple weeks earlier...seems that Desmond has hit solo routine down.
What if Desmond was actually Kelvin's second? They heard the crash or the fuselage expoding; Kelvin (Ethan?) went out through the newly discovered (from our point of view) exit to investigate; and since he didn't return, Desmond assumes he died (of the disease?).
Desmond could have been inputting the numbers for a while with Kelvin (Ethan?), and even taking turns, doing the same thing every 216 minutes (assuming shifts), Desmond would have the inputting the numbers and hitting the button down pat. And also, maybe he is freaking out now because he has had to do it himself every 108 minutes for a couple weeks.
I'll be the first to admit that there are other questions/problems/flaws to consider, but what they heck? I think this is just as plausible as some of the other theories being thrown out there.
Not to mention the whole plane crash sounded like news to Desmond.
BoltzNBrew
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Gold Dragon
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A couple of questions about this hatch.1) What grabbed Kate into it? If it is the security system, does Desmond know how it works?2) What is the purpose of the bright spotlight shining up from it?
Brewdude
Footballguy
I'm guessing Desmond grabbed Kate.The light is used to...umm...provide light. A very bright light would also momentarily incapacitate an intruder.
ETA - a better question is why did Desmond turn on the light when Locke was pounding on the hatch in the first season. And did he see Lock at the time?
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Irregardless.
3) Why did the spotlight go off when Boone died?
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Could have been used during the failed electro magnetic experiments.
Gleaned this from elsewhere:The two scientists in the Orientation film, the goofs from The U of M :buckeyefanhere:, I believe their names are Degroots or something like that... these two people are the same two people on the boat that took Walt. The guy, Mr. Degroot, is the one who said "we're taking the boy", and the Mrs. was in the background on the boat.Those with TIVO and are able to do screen caps, check it out.
stonegossard
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I honestly don't think these are the same people.
Buckychudd
Footballguy
Here's my take on the happenings.Dharma chooses this island to perform all their research/experiments on due to the strange magnetic forces that exist there which they want to use/investigate as part of their experiments.They form research stations on the island, probably eight of them to correspond to the symbol. They lose control of one experiment somehow (probably the elecromagnetic one), and it spills over to all the other experiments.....setting them all loose/out of control.The "others" are the old researchers who were effected in some way or another by the out of control experiments, they have probably been driven mad but are also striving to regain control of the experiments. They think Walt (because of his powers, which may relate to one of the experiments) can help them regain control.So the mysteries on the island are probably going to have multiple causes (nanobytes may have been one of he experiments i.e. the cloud, animal control another i.e the polar bears and shark, psychological i.e. the visions/voices).I don't think there is going to be one "master" explanation.....it's going to be multiple issues overlapping.
jplvr
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Driving around today I had this same thought. I don't remember seeing a big "QUARANTINE" tag on the front door either although it very well could be there. All this #### about the hatch, the broken ladder, etc. and then Kate says, "There's got to be a front door." Desmond with a no big deal demeanor, "Yep, sure do... right over there."
skillz
Footballguy
To me that were various pauses in the film that it almost seemed like it was edited or spliced and that the film was not the same as its original content. Also, it had a copyright date of 1980. So that means people were in the hatch since that date. I am curious about:1) What happened to and who was Kelvin's partner? According to desmond, Kelvin was the only one down in the hatch when he got on the island.We don't have TIVO, so we couldn't do this, but my wife was pointing out that there was a lot of static in the film and that some of the static may be clues.
2) When did Kelvin die and who is he?
3) I also thought the film said that people were only supposed to be in the hatch for 544 days but if that's the case what happened to make people stay down there for over 20 years?
4) It seemed a bit fishy to me that Kelvin saw Desmond crash on the island. Since Kelvin had to type in the numbers every 108 minutes, wouldn't Kelvin have been in the hatch instead of hanging around the island? Unless Desmond somehow found the hatch after he crashed--but that was only three years ago and it would seem that the hatch would have been buried by then already. Who knows.
