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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (4 Viewers)

The Others are the tail section survivors?!?  :confused:
Doubt it. The Others existed long before the crash--they took Danielle's kid. Jin just thought the people he met were the Others.
Did they actually take Alex? I can't remember if Danielle said The Others took Alex or if Alex had died. Can anyone who's seen the DVD's enlighten me?
 
The Others are the tail section survivors?!?   :confused:
Doubt it. The Others existed long before the crash--they took Danielle's kid. Jin just thought the people he met were the Others.
Did they actually take Alex? I can't remember if Danielle said The Others took Alex or if Alex had died. Can anyone who's seen the DVD's enlighten me?
Alex was taken - at least that's what she said.
 
I didn't buy Desmond remember his entire 2 minute conversation with Jack that happened 3 years ago. Plus- he recognizes Jack despite Jack's looks and hair changing from being on the island for 40 days. I didn't like the pace or writing in this episode as much after watching the first season and this season in the last 2 weeks. Not to say the show was bad but it certainly was not one of the better efforts.Someone in here nailed that that girl in the pit with Sawyer was a spy for the other part of the plane. I don't know how they came up with that. I laughed out loud at Sawyer's "Shaft" comment. I guess that guy is the african american lady's husband.

 
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Screencap of shark tattoo/brand.Given his accent, I'm backtracking on my theory that the big black dude is Rose's husband. I'm thinking more along the lines of a survivor of the Nigerian drug plane crash. Since it would appear that at least every other "crash" on the island had survivors, it's fairly logical to assume that someone survived that crash, too.

 
I can't believe they fell for the old "throw a hot chick in the pit and pretend she's a prisoner so she can extract information, hit you and steal your gun" trick. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I know she was in a boxing movie, but c'mon Sawyer, you gonna let a girl whip your butt like that?Also, am I the only one who wouldn't stay in a hatch and push a buttom every 108 minutes just because someone showed me that training film? Though the hatch would look pretty good compared to some of the dangers of the island.I think Jin speaking English was the most shocking part of the evening. I wonder if his wife is going to be a little surprised that he was hiding that from her. I wonder if she's going to be mad that he got mad at her for the same thing.

 
I didn't buy Desmond remember his entire 2 minute conversation with Jack that happened 3 years ago. Plus- he recognizes Jack despite Jack's looks and hair changing from being on the island for 40 days.

I didn't like the pace or writing in this episode as much after watching the first season and this season in the last 2 weeks. Not to say the show was bad but it certainly was not one of the better efforts.

Someone in here nailed that that girl in the pit with Sawyer was a spy for the other part of the plane. I don't know how they came up with that. I laughed out loud at Sawyer's "Shaft" comment. I guess that guy is the african american lady's husband.
That's what I thought too which is why the black lady is shown down in the shelter in the 'food room' in next week's episode. All those people are the tail survivors and not the Others.Where is Desmond running to?

 
My thoughts, didn't care for last nights episode for some of the reasons already stated and the fact that Jack, after discovering someone he had a brief encounter with 3 years prior also on a remote Pacific island, simply lets him walk off into the jungle. WTF? Watch the movie, cool, I'm outta here, see ya in another life brotha. How in the hell do you let that guy just walk off?Disappointed to say the least.

 
For those in the Boston market. The Sox game is on at 7:00 on channel 5. LOST should be airing on the Manchester NH station channel 9 WMUR. Adjust Tivos accordingly.

That is all.

Carry on.
Not that I care, but man, do you have every WR disappointment this year on your team? Bennett, Clayton, Burelson, Evans and Reggie Williams. If you had only drafted Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds, you would have them all.
Yeah, thanks for the support.
 
My thoughts, didn't care for last nights episode for some of the reasons already stated and the fact that Jack, after discovering someone he had a brief encounter with 3 years prior also on a remote Pacific island, simply lets him walk off into the jungle. WTF? Watch the movie, cool, I'm outta here, see ya in another life brotha. How in the hell do you let that guy just walk off?

Disappointed to say the least.
What was he gonna do?Shoot him?

I thought Jack was a total ### hole last night.

 
I can't believe they fell for the old "throw a hot chick in the pit and pretend she's a prisoner so she can extract information, hit you and steal your gun" trick. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I know she was in a boxing movie, but c'mon Sawyer, you gonna let a girl whip your butt like that?

Also, am I the only one who wouldn't stay in a hatch and push a buttom every 108 minutes just because someone showed me that training film? Though the hatch would look pretty good compared to some of the dangers of the island.

I think Jin speaking English was the most shocking part of the evening. I wonder if his wife is going to be a little surprised that he was hiding that from her. I wonder if she's going to be mad that he got mad at her for the same thing.
I rewound and looked at that preview again. It doesn't look to me like Jin is on the island when he talks in English. I am guessing that he is the target of the flashbacks next week.
 
I didn't buy Desmond remember his entire 2 minute conversation with Jack that happened 3 years ago.  Plus-  he recognizes Jack despite Jack's looks and hair changing from being on the island for 40 days. 

I didn't like the pace or writing in this episode as much after watching the first season and this season in the last 2 weeks.  Not to say the show was bad but it certainly was not one of the better efforts.

Someone in here nailed that that girl in the pit with Sawyer was a spy for the other part of the plane.  I don't know how they came up with that.  I laughed out loud at Sawyer's "Shaft" comment.  I guess that guy is the african american lady's husband.
That's what I thought too which is why the black lady is shown down in the shelter in the 'food room' in next week's episode. All those people are the tail survivors and not the Others.Where is Desmond running to?
That was Adabese from OZ that threw them in the pit....I wouldnt think that would be her husband because I couldnt see him marrying her...I think he would be somewhat younger.
 
Ok.. I have a few pages to read, but I literally just said "Whoa!" out loud when Jin talked in the previews!
Really, I remember that from last season that there was a rumor that Jin spoke perfect English. Although, I would have to say that it would have been a good time to break into it when he was getting chased by the Others. That means, that it might actually be a dream sequence or he is hiding something else.
 
That was Adabese from OZ that threw them in the pit....I wouldnt think that would be her husband because I couldnt see him marrying her...I think he would be somewhat younger.
Does one of the hatches lead to OZ? We already saw Adabese, where's Ryan O'Reily, Tobias Beecher, and the infamous Kareem Said? Are the prisoners from OZ the "Others?" Isn't the guy that plays Michael in Lost (Walt's father) the crippled guy (narrator) in a wheelchair from OZ? Hmm, interesting. Also, there was a character on Oz named Said (leader of the Muslims) and Lost has a character named Sayd? Freaky. :sarcasm:

Seriously, you guys need to just chill and watch the show. It's entertainment viewing, not some puzzle you need to obsess over. I'm sure there will be some things in the plot that you just need to tell yourself you're just watching a television show and not all pieces fit together perfectly.

 
I was discussing things with a coworker, and he thought that possibly the guy that was in the psych ward with Hurley who kept repeating the numbers might have been one of the people in the hatch in the past and went "mad" with the numbers. Thoughts?

 
That was Adabese from OZ that threw them in the pit....I wouldnt think that would be her husband because I couldnt see him marrying her...I think he would be somewhat younger.
Does one of the hatches lead to OZ? We already saw Adabese, where's Ryan O'Reily, Tobias Beecher, and the infamous Kareem Said? Are the prisoners from OZ the "Others?" Isn't the guy that plays Michael in Lost (Walt's father) the crippled guy (narrator) in a wheelchair from OZ? Hmm, interesting. Also, there was a character on Oz named Said (leader of the Muslims) and Lost has a character named Sayd? Freaky. :sarcasm:

Seriously, you guys need to just chill and watch the show. It's entertainment viewing, not some puzzle you need to obsess over. I'm sure there will be some things in the plot that you just need to tell yourself you're just watching a television show and not all pieces fit together perfectly.
Next your going to tell us what a bunch of losers we are for posting on a message board. :irony:
 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?

 
That was Adabese from OZ that threw them in the pit....I wouldnt think that would be her husband because I couldnt see him marrying her...I think he would be somewhat younger.
Does one of the hatches lead to OZ? We already saw Adabese, where's Ryan O'Reily, Tobias Beecher, and the infamous Kareem Said? Are the prisoners from OZ the "Others?" Isn't the guy that plays Michael in Lost (Walt's father) the crippled guy (narrator) in a wheelchair from OZ? Hmm, interesting. Also, there was a character on Oz named Said (leader of the Muslims) and Lost has a character named Sayd? Freaky. :sarcasm:

Seriously, you guys need to just chill and watch the show. It's entertainment viewing, not some puzzle you need to obsess over. I'm sure there will be some things in the plot that you just need to tell yourself you're just watching a television show and not all pieces fit together perfectly.
Next your going to tell us what a bunch of losers we are for posting on a message board. :irony:
:yes: Honestly I don't understand why these people come in this thread. :confused:

 
After last night's episode, I've got a lot of new thoughts.

I'm definitely still holding on to my "experiments" theory.

When Locke was talking on the phone last year trying to convince a woman to go to Australia with him. Wasn't her name Helen? Last year most, if not all, of us were thinking she was some sort of "adult phone companion." Guess she wasn't.

I'm growing more and more convinced that "The Others" are from different DHARMA installations on the island. The founder of DHARMA from the movie had a bushy beard, right? Didn't the guy on the boat that took Walt have a bushy beard as well? It was longer and more grey, but if the "movie" was shot years ago, it could make sense.

Ethan, last season, seemed able to appear almost out of nowhere. Did he come out of concealed hatch doors? Or is there a tunnel system as I've theorized previously?

I'm also of the belief that the Shark is from another experiment/installation. Is there an underwater hatch?

One of the experiments was Parapsychology. Could this explain the "visions" of Jack's dad and Walt that Jack and Shannon have seen.

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned seeing the closed captioning of the "whispers" in the forest being the voices of a man and a woman. Is it a large reach to think that these voices and whispers are the voices of the man and woman who created DHARMA and they're letting people who are alone in the jungle hear them as part of the experiments?

The picture of the girl in Desmonds locker, in the brief glimpse I got from it, looked a little like Jack's wife, but I wouldn't think this is possible.

Looks like they got us with Ana-Lucia. Pretty slick on the LOTF crews part.

WTF is up with this Jin speaking english stuff? All I heard him say in last night's episode was "Others" was him speaking English in the previews for next week? I didn't get that here in Canada, what'd he say?
The Other guy on the boat is definitely not the Alvar Hanso guy. The Other guy is a pretty well known B-list actor, known in a sense that you don't know his name but you have seen him in lots of shows/movies. He doesn't look anything like the guy on the Hanso web site.Also, I agree with you and jplvr that this is one of the experiments and that the shark, polar bear, visions, voices, etc. might all be other areas of the Dharma initiative.

On the Hanso web site, if you mouse over the bottom of the Active Projects, a hidden link for Dharma Initiative shows up, but the link is to a nothing JavaScript command (void(0)). I wonder if it will become a real link later on. I even tried to ad di.html to the URL since all of the other project links were just the initials.

Personally, I actually like where they are going now. It shows a little more foresight into this show, like they really do have an end game in mind, but that they might fill in more backstories and add extra stuff to make it go a few seasons.

Also, the LOTF folks are definitely the tail enders and maybe a drug smuggler (someone mentioned that and I guess he could be and joined the tail enders). When she grabbed the gun and got pulled out, Ana and the big guy were talking about who those guys were. If they were the Others, they would already know. I think after some negotiation, the tail enders will join up with our original survivors.

When we had the earlier discussion about the tail enders we wondered why they looked so primitive, but Ana did give us a clue in that she said the tail end was under water, maybe not 100%, but enough that salvaging much would have been much harder than the original survivors where the fuselage was on the beach.

 
Seriously, you guys need to just chill and watch the show.  It's entertainment viewing, not some puzzle you need to obsess over. 
Thanks for the tip buddy, but I think I'll just continue to watch and talk it over if it's all the same to you. :hophead:
 
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Earlier in this thread someone mentioned seeing the closed captioning of the "whispers" in the forest being the voices of a man and a woman. Is it a large reach to think that these voices and whispers are the voices of the man and woman who created DHARMA and they're letting people who are alone in the jungle hear them as part of the experiments?
I thought about this too. Weren't they saying something like "he can't know, we can't let him see, it would ruin everything?"Seems like that would be the DHARMA people, if that's the case.

 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
because the numbers didn't mean anything to him.
The only inscription on the most important thing in his life for a month didn't mean enough that he would recognize them when Desmond had him type them? Not even enough to remember the last number? How many times did he look at those numbers when he and Boone were trying to open the hatch?
 
I cannot believe that folks are complaining about too much info when the complaint was not enough prior.  Good lord.
Pretty sure I've never logged this complaint. I like the pace the show was on.
I am not sure how you can think that they revealed too much. I feel like all we did was blow bast what is in the hatch to a bigger mystery, like WTF is the hatch there for, what was the company doing and what other experiments are there and where are they?I almost wished Jack hadn't hit the button, because maybe he was right, it is just a big mind #### and they are now responsible for keeping it going.

Also, where the heck was our good buddy Desmond going? He sure seemed to know where he was headed. They said he crashed his boat (round the world trip, was it a boat?) and Kelvin found him, so obviously Kelvin was wandering around. Maybe Desmond's boat is still there and he was taking off to get off the island. It sure didn't seem like he knew enough to have been in on a "con" to get the survivors to take over the button pushing, but if he was in on a "con", he did a damn fine job indeed.

 
And what was the emotional moment where Desmond recognized Jack?

Big whoop!
Has anyone managed to figure out what was said in the background while Kate was creeping around the corner? I was expecting someone to have played that back and let us know what happened in that conversation.
#1 I didn't pick this up on my own, but it sparked me to think about the real answer. There was a logo on the shark... not sure if it was covered in this thread. The logo had the same look as the ones in Desmond's hatch, but the center was different. We learned in this episode that Desmond's logo is a swan. The one on the shark looked like a dark circle with a white line through it.

We learned from the orientation movie that there were 6 experiments. The swan experiment was to measure the electromagnetic properties "of that part of the island." I'm pretty sure that's a direct quote from the movie, so that would lead me to believe that the other 5 experiments were also contained on the island.

What does this mean? I don't know. The animals were probably one section of the experiment... maybe this was covered in the movie. Maybe the Others were part of another part of the experiment. Walt has psychic powers and that was another part of the experiment from the movie. Maybe the Others are trying to progress with that portion of Dharma.
I know other people had similar thoughts, but this is the one I quoted. I think this is dead on - the quote had the word "sector" in it, though.
The guy in the movie specifically speaks of the magnetism being in that sector of the island. I'm thinking the other 5 experiments: Meteorology, Psychology, Parapsychology, Electromagnetism, Zoology, and something to to about Industrial Sociology blah, blah, blah, had to be on other parts of the island.

I wonder if Danielle has seen other hatches. I can't remember her exact reaction upon seeing the one Locke found though.
Can someone with Tivo find out what the six were for sure?
somewhere in the movie they mention 540, I don't remember the context... 5x108=540.. the five could represent the other Dharma Stations...
:rolleyes:
After last night's episode, I've got a lot of new thoughts.

I'm definitely still holding on to my "experiments" theory.

When Locke was talking on the phone last year trying to convince a woman to go to Australia with him. Wasn't her name Helen? Last year most, if not all, of us were thinking she was some sort of "adult phone companion." Guess she wasn't.

I'm growing more and more convinced that "The Others" are from different DHARMA installations on the island. The founder of DHARMA from the movie had a bushy beard, right? Didn't the guy on the boat that took Walt have a bushy beard as well? It was longer and more grey, but if the "movie" was shot years ago, it could make sense.

Ethan, last season, seemed able to appear almost out of nowhere. Did he come out of concealed hatch doors? Or is there a tunnel system as I've theorized previously?

I'm also of the belief that the Shark is from another experiment/installation. Is there an underwater hatch?

One of the experiments was Parapsychology. Could this explain the "visions" of Jack's dad and Walt that Jack and Shannon have seen.

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned seeing the closed captioning of the "whispers" in the forest being the voices of a man and a woman. Is it a large reach to think that these voices and whispers are the voices of the man and woman who created DHARMA and they're letting people who are alone in the jungle hear them as part of the experiments?

The picture of the girl in Desmonds locker, in the brief glimpse I got from it, looked a little like Jack's wife, but I wouldn't think this is possible.

Looks like they got us with Ana-Lucia. Pretty slick on the LOTF crews part.

WTF is up with this Jin speaking english stuff? All I heard him say in last night's episode was "Others" was him speaking English in the previews for next week? I didn't get that here in Canada, what'd he say?
Nice post, but as mentioned later in this thread, someone had theorized that Analucia was a plant. I thought it was obvious, so did my wife (who hadn't read anything about her being a plant beforehand).
I didn't buy Desmond remember his entire 2 minute conversation with Jack that happened 3 years ago. Plus- he recognizes Jack despite Jack's looks and hair changing from being on the island for 40 days.
I wonder what the next life he'll see Jack in will be.
I was discussing things with a coworker, and he thought that possibly the guy that was in the psych ward with Hurley who kept repeating the numbers might have been one of the people in the hatch in the past and went "mad" with the numbers. Thoughts?
I don't think so - the psych guy explained his story to Hurley and that wasn't part of it.
 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
because the numbers didn't mean anything to him.
The only inscription on the most important thing in his life for a month didn't mean enough that he would recognize them when Desmond had him type them? Not even enough to remember the last number? How many times did he look at those numbers when he and Boone were trying to open the hatch?
The numbers were on the side of the hatch. He seemed pretty focused on opening the door. The hatch was the endgame for Locke, and he didn't have any reason to think those numbers on the side were anything more than a serial number. Would recognize the VIN of your car if you had to coincidentally enter it into a computer?

 
Anyone else get the thought when watching Locke with his dad in the car that the writers were trying to set us up for a disappointment (i.e. con)?

If it turns out the entire show is in someone's head ala Identity there are going to be a lot of pissed off viewers.
No, I think it was just to show how ####ed in the head Locke became because wanted to be loved by his parents so much that he couldn't handle being conned.His dad was basically trying to get rid of him by saying he got conned. There was no alterior motive, he just wanted Locke's kidney. I think it was that simple and that whole story line was to finally get Locke to admit that he needed help to keep the faith and Jack did end up helping him.

 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
because the numbers didn't mean anything to him.
The only inscription on the most important thing in his life for a month didn't mean enough that he would recognize them when Desmond had him type them? Not even enough to remember the last number? How many times did he look at those numbers when he and Boone were trying to open the hatch?
The numbers were on the side of the hatch. He seemed pretty focused on opening the door. The hatch was the endgame for Locke, and he didn't have any reason to think those numbers on the side were anything more than a serial number. Would recognize the VIN of your car if you had to coincidentally enter it into a computer?
If I stared at my VIN for 8 hours a day for a month, yeah, I think I would.Edit to add: Not that it's an important point in the plotline anyhow; just something I thought was odd.

 
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What was he gonna do?

Shoot him?

I thought Jack was a total ### hole last night.
No but I don't think it's too much to ask that he ask a few more pointed questions than what came up. Discussing what happened to them in their two minute encounter 3 years prior didn't get it for me. I know I surely would have asked a few more questions about Calvin, the hatch, the island, how he got there, where the food is coming from since they were originally supposed to be there for 540+ days, where the Whirlpool washer/dryer set came from, etc, etc. ANYTHING but "well, thanks, cya". Seemed pretty lame to me.And I agree, Jack was a #### last night.

 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
because the numbers didn't mean anything to him.
The only inscription on the most important thing in his life for a month didn't mean enough that he would recognize them when Desmond had him type them? Not even enough to remember the last number? How many times did he look at those numbers when he and Boone were trying to open the hatch?
The numbers were on the side of the hatch. He seemed pretty focused on opening the door. The hatch was the endgame for Locke, and he didn't have any reason to think those numbers on the side were anything more than a serial number. Would recognize the VIN of your car if you had to coincidentally enter it into a computer?
If I stared at my VIN for 8 hours a day for a month, yeah, I think I would.
he wasn't staring just at the vin, it was the whole car he was concerned with.
 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
because the numbers didn't mean anything to him.
The only inscription on the most important thing in his life for a month didn't mean enough that he would recognize them when Desmond had him type them? Not even enough to remember the last number? How many times did he look at those numbers when he and Boone were trying to open the hatch?
The numbers were on the side of the hatch. He seemed pretty focused on opening the door. The hatch was the endgame for Locke, and he didn't have any reason to think those numbers on the side were anything more than a serial number. Would recognize the VIN of your car if you had to coincidentally enter it into a computer?
If I stared at my VIN for 8 hours a day for a month, yeah, I think I would.
he wasn't staring just at the vin, it was the whole car he was concerned with.
Not a car, a three-foot wide hatch. You can't look at it without seeing the only thing inscribed on it.
 
I didn't buy Desmond remember his entire 2 minute conversation with Jack that happened 3 years ago.  Plus-  he recognizes Jack despite Jack's looks and hair changing from being on the island for 40 days. 

I didn't like the pace or writing in this episode as much after watching the first season and this season in the last 2 weeks.  Not to say the show was bad but it certainly was not one of the better efforts.

Someone in here nailed that that girl in the pit with Sawyer was a spy for the other part of the plane.  I don't know how they came up with that.  I laughed out loud at Sawyer's "Shaft" comment.  I guess that guy is the african american lady's husband.
That's what I thought too which is why the black lady is shown down in the shelter in the 'food room' in next week's episode. All those people are the tail survivors and not the Others.Where is Desmond running to?
I don't think that black lady in the food room was Rose. She seemed to have a much lighter skin tone from what I remember.
 
I think Jack's whole attitude last night was shaped by whatever happened between him and his wife. He got real emotional when she was mentioned. I think there is some sort of link between Jack / his wife and his whole attitude towards faith; something more than just the surgury that allowed her to walk.

 
Also, Locke's father didn't say that he has conned other people, but he did say, "Do you think you're the first person that got conned?" Could he be the real Sawyer? I think it's a longshot, but an interesting reference.
I think this is a TREMENDOUS pull by jplvr.This never occured to me, but as we see them showing characters overlapping, this one makes perfect sense.

May turn out to be nothing.....but I don't think so. I think Sawyer turns out to be Locke's dad. They also use a pretty well known actor to play this role, which leads me to think he'll be more prominent down the road.

 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
because the numbers didn't mean anything to him.
The only inscription on the most important thing in his life for a month didn't mean enough that he would recognize them when Desmond had him type them? Not even enough to remember the last number? How many times did he look at those numbers when he and Boone were trying to open the hatch?
The numbers were on the side of the hatch. He seemed pretty focused on opening the door. The hatch was the endgame for Locke, and he didn't have any reason to think those numbers on the side were anything more than a serial number. Would recognize the VIN of your car if you had to coincidentally enter it into a computer?
If I stared at my VIN for 8 hours a day for a month, yeah, I think I would.
he wasn't staring just at the vin, it was the whole car he was concerned with.
Not a car, a three-foot wide hatch. You can't look at it without seeing the only thing inscribed on it.
But the numbers weren't right on top. They were on a side panel that Hurley just happened to see.
 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
In all of the flashes to the numbers on the hatch, they never showed anyone other than Hurley noticing them. Even if Locke had seen the numbers briefly, I can easily believe that he would not have remembered them or thought they were anything other than a part number for the hatch making company.
 
Just a thought that struck me while watching: Why wouldn't Locke recognize the number sequence as matching those on the hatch he obsessed over for a month?
because the numbers didn't mean anything to him.
The only inscription on the most important thing in his life for a month didn't mean enough that he would recognize them when Desmond had him type them? Not even enough to remember the last number? How many times did he look at those numbers when he and Boone were trying to open the hatch?
The numbers were on the side of the hatch. He seemed pretty focused on opening the door. The hatch was the endgame for Locke, and he didn't have any reason to think those numbers on the side were anything more than a serial number. Would recognize the VIN of your car if you had to coincidentally enter it into a computer?
If I stared at my VIN for 8 hours a day for a month, yeah, I think I would.
he wasn't staring just at the vin, it was the whole car he was concerned with.
Not a car, a three-foot wide hatch. You can't look at it without seeing the only thing inscribed on it.
Ok. He didn't remember the number. I think its plausable, you don't.
 
Earlier in this thread someone mentioned seeing the closed captioning of the "whispers" in the forest being the voices of a man and a woman.  Is it a large reach to think that these voices and whispers are the voices of the man and woman who created DHARMA and they're letting people who are alone in the jungle hear them as part of the experiments?
I thought about this too. Weren't they saying something like "he can't know, we can't let him see, it would ruin everything?"Seems like that would be the DHARMA people, if that's the case.
Could they be Adam and Eve and the voices are recordings as part of an experiment? I thought it was said that the voices were French, or am I wrong? If that is the case, the two creators were from the States.
 
I think Jack's whole attitude last night was shaped by whatever happened between him and his wife. He got real emotional when she was mentioned. I think there is some sort of link between Jack / his wife and his whole attitude towards faith; something more than just the surgury that allowed her to walk.
:goodposting: I agree completely. The way he fixed her seemed like he would develop some faith. All we saw at the wedding was him talking to his dad about whether or not he should get married and from last night, he definitely did go through with it. We just don't know what happened after that and before his dad died. He does seem very jaded towards faith and thinks everything is a setup, he is almost ignoring all of the "impossible" stuff that keeps happening.

 
I think Jack's whole attitude last night was shaped by whatever happened between him and his wife. He got real emotional when she was mentioned. I think there is some sort of link between Jack / his wife and his whole attitude towards faith; something more than just the surgury that allowed her to walk.
I think it has to do with how they got apart.Are they divorced? Is he a widow? What happened there is key... and when too...

 
The founder of DHARMA from the movie had a bushy beard, right?  Didn't the guy on the boat that took Walt have a bushy beard as well? It was longer and more grey, but if the "movie" was shot years ago, it could make sense.

Ethan,
The Other guy on the boat is definitely not the Alvar Hanso guy. The Other guy is a pretty well known B-list actor, known in a sense that you don't know his name but you have seen him in lots of shows/movies. He doesn't look anything like the guy on the Hanso web site.
I didn't say the guy in the boat was Alvor Hanso. Hanso is the benefactor of the DHARMA project. He gave the 2 researchers (sorry, I forget their names now) from the university in California the money to set it up. The 2 researchers are shown in the movie a couple times. A woman and a man. The man had a big bushy beard. Leading me to believe that this guy went to the island to observe the experiments. This is why they have guns, boats, etc.Also, the black lady they showed in the previews is "Rose"

 
Locke was playing Jack, he intentionally put in the 32 so that Jack would correct him, that was his way to lure him. Sure you can go to the videotape and say "but Jack was not in the scene yet", I am telling you Locke is smarter then you think.

 
I think Jack's whole attitude last night was shaped by whatever happened between him and his wife. He got real emotional when she was mentioned. I think there is some sort of link between Jack / his wife and his whole attitude towards faith; something more than just the surgury that allowed her to walk.
I think it has to do with how they got apart.Are they divorced? Is he a widow? What happened there is key... and when too...
I think she left him, I don't know why I think that but it is sticking in my head.
 
I think Jack's whole attitude last night was shaped by whatever happened between him and his wife.  He got real emotional when she was mentioned.  I think there is some sort of link between Jack / his wife and his whole attitude towards faith; something more than just the surgury that allowed her to walk.
I think it has to do with how they got apart.Are they divorced? Is he a widow? What happened there is key... and when too...
I think she left him, I don't know why I think that but it is sticking in my head.
Based on the way he reacted to talking about her throughout the show, my guess is she is dead.
 
The founder of DHARMA from the movie had a bushy beard, right?  Didn't the guy on the boat that took Walt have a bushy beard as well? It was longer and more grey, but if the "movie" was shot years ago, it could make sense.

Ethan,
The Other guy on the boat is definitely not the Alvar Hanso guy. The Other guy is a pretty well known B-list actor, known in a sense that you don't know his name but you have seen him in lots of shows/movies. He doesn't look anything like the guy on the Hanso web site.
I didn't say the guy in the boat was Alvor Hanso. Hanso is the benefactor of the DHARMA project. He gave the 2 researchers (sorry, I forget their names now) from the university in California the money to set it up. The 2 researchers are shown in the movie a couple times. A woman and a man. The man had a big bushy beard. Leading me to believe that this guy went to the island to observe the experiments. This is why they have guns, boats, etc.Also, the black lady they showed in the previews is "Rose"
OK, it's on, Tivo time!I have a digital camera so i should actually be able to pull it off. Also, the researcher shown wasn't the same guy as the boat guy either. I just remember the boat guy because he is a well known enough actor, like the guy who is Locke's dad. They are both people you would recognize, but not know their names, such as Locke's dad was the bar owner in Roadhouse that hired Patrick Swayze.

 
Locke was playing Jack, he intentionally put in the 32 so that Jack would correct him, that was his way to lure him. Sure you can go to the videotape and say "but Jack was not in the scene yet", I am telling you Locke is smarter then you think.
I disagree. It was Hurley that knew it was wrong, but hates the numbers so much that he thinks entering them is worse than not. Locke had the numbers told to him one time in a pretty chaotic scene with a gun pointed to his head. It isn't like he was a brilliant mathematician, so I don't think he had that much foresight. The importance of Jack was that he screwed up his only good relationship with Helen because he couldn't get over what his dad did to him, so he is trying so hard to keep the faith, thus his attempt at the walk about. That is why he said to Jack that it was a two man job and that he needed help. He finally got what Helen tried to get him to understand in the flashback.
 
I think Jack's whole attitude last night was shaped by whatever happened between him and his wife.  He got real emotional when she was mentioned.  I think there is some sort of link between Jack / his wife and his whole attitude towards faith; something more than just the surgury that allowed her to walk.
I think it has to do with how they got apart.Are they divorced? Is he a widow? What happened there is key... and when too...
I think she left him, I don't know why I think that but it is sticking in my head.
Based on the way he reacted to talking about her throughout the show, my guess is she is dead.
I agree. It is almost like he has become a cynic. He went through all of the miracles of saving her and getting her to walk again and then something traumatic had to happen and he is completely jaded now. I am pretty sure that he never had a wedding ring on at the beginning of the show, so the marriage was no more when he was searching for his dad in Australia.
 

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