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Official Marshawn Lynch Thread (1 Viewer)
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Iceman56751
Footballguy
We have pick 1.2 and will take Lynch over Calvin.
Scared he may land in RBBC role - then we may change our mind.
Anyone watched the kid play - as good as advertised?
Scared he may land in RBBC role - then we may change our mind.
Anyone watched the kid play - as good as advertised?
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I'm not one to pick on spelling...but if this is going to be the "official" thread, can his name be fixed?
Rev
Footballguy
Fixed. Now on to the FF chatter...
LHUCKS
Footballguy
he ran a 4.45 - plenty fast (westbrook is one of best RBs in the league, & i think he clocked something like a 4.6, for context)... lynch has great feet quickness, lateral agility, make-you-miss-ability, toughness, contact balance, tackle breaking strength... it is those attributes, COUPLED with his above average 4.4 time, that will make him a dangerous & effective runner at the next level (as well as potentially being more complete back than AD & more natural receiver), & imo deserving of his ranking as second best back in 07 draft after only peterson, & with AD one of two RBs that seem to have attached fewest question marks about how their game will translate to next level, & whether they have the goods to be NFL caliber starting RBs...
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bostonfred
Footballguy
how would you characterize it... one of the worst... somewhere in the middle?
Tyranny
Footballguy
Picked him up two years ago in a college draft ( I drafted 14th, person before me drafted A.P.). I also believe these two picks were the reason it was decided that from that season on we could only draft players who are eligiblefor the draft.On the plus side, he has good hands, he has returned kickoffs, can block, can recognise holes and finishes his runs tough. On the downside he has gotten caught from behind but has made big runs. Has lined up wide as a receiver.Adjusts well to the ball. Has good hip swivel and seldom goes down on first contact. And he plays through injury.
2006 Highlights
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WxwFmss2EwA
2005 Highlights
http://youtube.com/watch?v=agiNBv_cl5o&amp...ted&search=
and as a freshman
2006 Highlights
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WxwFmss2EwA
2005 Highlights
http://youtube.com/watch?v=agiNBv_cl5o&amp...ted&search=
and as a freshman
Guinis72
Footballguy
As the holder of the 1.2 I still have no idea who I'll end up taking between Johnson & Lynch, where they get drafted may have a lot to do with my decision.
They didn't show many Cal games in NC, so the only one I saw was the TEN game in which he didn't seem to stand out but ended up with a 6.2 ypc. He only had 12 carries though with one for 22 yds.
Did anyone else notice that in his 40, he seems to run with his legs very wide? Sounds odd, but it just looked kind of funny.
They didn't show many Cal games in NC, so the only one I saw was the TEN game in which he didn't seem to stand out but ended up with a 6.2 ypc. He only had 12 carries though with one for 22 yds.
Did anyone else notice that in his 40, he seems to run with his legs very wide? Sounds odd, but it just looked kind of funny.
Rev
Footballguy
One thing I like about Lynch's highlights was that he can juke people while he's 5 yards away from them and then blow by them after the move. Extremely explosive with good football sense.
Also, he's good at turning nothing into something when he's cornered... he can find holes where there are none and bounce runs outside or back inside to get yards.
These two, combined with his solid recieving skills, makes me glad that CJ is getting so much press. I think Lynch could fall to me as the hype on AD and CJ resounds.
Also, he's good at turning nothing into something when he's cornered... he can find holes where there are none and bounce runs outside or back inside to get yards.
These two, combined with his solid recieving skills, makes me glad that CJ is getting so much press. I think Lynch could fall to me as the hype on AD and CJ resounds.
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Team Legacy
Footballguy
Although he is being picked as the 1.2 / 1.3 this year in rookie drafts, this kid is WAY under rated.
I haven't heard much hype about him and I already have him in my Top 20 Dynasty backs. He is as impressive as DeAngelo Williams in my opinion, who I also have very high.
I bet you could secure the 1.3 this year for a pick along the lines of Marion Barber/ Michael Turner type.
I haven't heard much hype about him and I already have him in my Top 20 Dynasty backs. He is as impressive as DeAngelo Williams in my opinion, who I also have very high.
I bet you could secure the 1.3 this year for a pick along the lines of Marion Barber/ Michael Turner type.
Rev
Footballguy
I agree that ML is underrated, but now that the combine is over, I don't see anything that will improve his stock aside from an extremely favorable team situation.... and even then he isn't likely to move past CJ and AP as far as his ADP is concerned. CJ and AP are simply too attractive to most owners for Lynch to creep into the top 2. I'm afraid (and quite glad) that the 1.3 slot is where Lynch will fall in a vast majority of drafts.
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Team Legacy
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Sad to say but I own 1.2 this year and there is no way I pick CJ over Lynch. I already have Westbrook and Portis and there is no way I pass the chance to put a potential top 15 back in my stable.
CalBear
Footballguy
Lynch definitely has a wide stance when running and when cutting. It's unusual and I can't think of another back who really runs like he does (though Curtis Martin occasionally has moves that look like Lynch's).
Possibly because of his unusual running style, he often is able to make defenders look silly in the open field. He doesn't cut on a dime, but with subtle hip and ball fakes he makes guys miss by five yards while still keeping his shoulders pointed upfield. I've never seen him brought down by a man ahead of him in the open field.
Possibly because of his unusual running style, he often is able to make defenders look silly in the open field. He doesn't cut on a dime, but with subtle hip and ball fakes he makes guys miss by five yards while still keeping his shoulders pointed upfield. I've never seen him brought down by a man ahead of him in the open field.
Rev
Footballguy
Skillwise, CJ and Fitz were relative equals as far as rookies go, but Calvin has a higher ceiling than Fitz did, because his (CJ's) athleticism is far superior. On the other hand, Ronnie Brown had a terrific combine, which boosted him past Caddy in many drafts (Brown was the 1.1 in my league). Lynch, however, did not separate himself at the combine in that way, and will definitely not be the first back taken in most leagues. So I think that it's Ronnie and Calvin who came out of their college careers and combines with more momentum than did both Fitz and Lynch.Team Legacy said:
HEY CALBEAR: Do you think Lynch is an every down back at the college level? He doesn't seem to have been an absolute workhorse in terms of touches, but he did have nice ypc:
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 71 628 8.8 70 8 19 147 7.7 29 2 0 0
2005 196 1246 6.4 52 10 15 125 8.3 25 0 0 0
2006 223 1356 6.1 71 11 34 328 9.6 28 4 0 0
Also (edit to add), I just noticed that the guys is only 20 years old!
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Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
A potential top 3 WR that could have Chris Simms has his QB ? I will take my chances.
mynameisntearl
Footballguy
I see Lynch as the next Steven Jackson. Same body type and running style, good receiver out of the backfield. If he gets in the right situation, he could be rookie of the year.....
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Very good observation. I think that bigger RBs or those with wider stances can do this because they have a bigger base that defenders are trying to tackle, so a little bit of a wiggle or change in direction increases the chance that the defender was aiming at tackling his outside leg or shoulder and that wiggle will make the defender miss. A smaller or narrow running back already has a smaller base that defenders are aiming for, so they really need be able to cut on a dime to make defenders miss.
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Dope
Footballguy
One of the guys at rotoworld (not rosenthal) lists his top 10 backs for the 2007 draft and has Marshawn 4th.
That's a little low and I disagree with him (he has Mike Bush and Tony Hunt 2nd and 3rd).
There was one line in his Marshawn blurb that had me scratching my head:
"Lynch is unlikely to be drafted in the top 20 and could fall well into the second round."
Now that's the 1st I heard of that. I thought he was a mortal lock to go to buffalo or green bay.
Rotoworld article
That's a little low and I disagree with him (he has Mike Bush and Tony Hunt 2nd and 3rd).
There was one line in his Marshawn blurb that had me scratching my head:
"Lynch is unlikely to be drafted in the top 20 and could fall well into the second round."
Now that's the 1st I heard of that. I thought he was a mortal lock to go to buffalo or green bay.
Rotoworld article
Domination
Footballguy
I think it is looking like the possibility that he could end up in Buffalo. If that does happen, and with all the upgrades that they have made this off season to their o-line, I think that he could outproduce AD from year one.
Avery
Footballguy
Domination
Footballguy
I meant it the way that I said it. Most people think that AD will be good from year one and that Lynch could become a good RB. I think that Lynch could outproduce AD from year one on, not just in year one.
kensat30
Footballguy
The feeling I get from Lynch, is that he is a 5th gear away from being a level above Adrian Peterson. Lynch has 300 carries a year written all over him. The guy is really the prototype for today's workhorse NFL RB if you look at him. He has the right good combo of size, speed, power, moves, and hands... The guy does everything very well but nothing extraordinary. He really has the complete package minus the breakaway gear.
The one word I would describe Lynch with is fluid. And the one word I would use to describe Peterson with is force. Lynch is not so big, strong, and athletic that he can get by on pure natural ability like Peterson, and for that reason I really like him. He's smaller and slower than Peterson, but he is a true RB at the same time. Peterson is just a beast.
And I think that is the reason why we could see Lynch fall in the NFL draft, because he doesn't compare to Peterson from a purely physical perspective and he doesn't have the elusive "stud" potential that all teams seem to covet with their first round pick. That's the reason why the Troy Williamsons of the world get picked in the top10 you know? Same story gets told in fantasy football, where guys like Ronnie Brown get choosen above Brian Westbrook because of potential output instead of talent. Potential is valued more than the football player himself.
As for Lynch vs. Calvin Johnson at pick #2, Personally I go with the RB everytime unless I'm stacked in the RB department. CJ could be the next Moss, but he could just as easily be the next [insert name here] as well. Roy Williams was a guy that looked very promising, and he still does. But in the here and now, 4 years later, he is still valued more for his potential than his production. He is only a top10 WR for one season now and not the stud that everyone thought he would be. Same goes for Andre Johnson. Don't wanna use those two as examples? Try Charles Rogers instead. I think that was the last time people were considering WR over RB at the top of the draft anyways.
Don't get me wrong, I think CJ is going to be great and by no means is he a wasted pick at #2, it's just that a top10 RB is worth a whole lot more than a top10 WR in most formats. Same goes for a top5 RB vs. a top5 WR. And there are no guarantees at all from any rookies, no matter how good they are. Pass on CJ and you may miss the next Moss, but I feel comfortable enough in Lynch that I have no problems taking him #2.
The one word I would describe Lynch with is fluid. And the one word I would use to describe Peterson with is force. Lynch is not so big, strong, and athletic that he can get by on pure natural ability like Peterson, and for that reason I really like him. He's smaller and slower than Peterson, but he is a true RB at the same time. Peterson is just a beast.
And I think that is the reason why we could see Lynch fall in the NFL draft, because he doesn't compare to Peterson from a purely physical perspective and he doesn't have the elusive "stud" potential that all teams seem to covet with their first round pick. That's the reason why the Troy Williamsons of the world get picked in the top10 you know? Same story gets told in fantasy football, where guys like Ronnie Brown get choosen above Brian Westbrook because of potential output instead of talent. Potential is valued more than the football player himself.
As for Lynch vs. Calvin Johnson at pick #2, Personally I go with the RB everytime unless I'm stacked in the RB department. CJ could be the next Moss, but he could just as easily be the next [insert name here] as well. Roy Williams was a guy that looked very promising, and he still does. But in the here and now, 4 years later, he is still valued more for his potential than his production. He is only a top10 WR for one season now and not the stud that everyone thought he would be. Same goes for Andre Johnson. Don't wanna use those two as examples? Try Charles Rogers instead. I think that was the last time people were considering WR over RB at the top of the draft anyways.
Don't get me wrong, I think CJ is going to be great and by no means is he a wasted pick at #2, it's just that a top10 RB is worth a whole lot more than a top10 WR in most formats. Same goes for a top5 RB vs. a top5 WR. And there are no guarantees at all from any rookies, no matter how good they are. Pass on CJ and you may miss the next Moss, but I feel comfortable enough in Lynch that I have no problems taking him #2.
How does a guy with less than 500 carries in his college career have 300 carries/year in the NFL "written all over him?"
Avery
Footballguy
I believe you that you meant it, I just disagree with it.The "corrected" quote is an oft use method on this board of expressing disagreement with a statement. While I agree that Lynch may exceed Peterson in their rookie year for the team/situation a RB is drafted into is so important, I am skeptical that Lynch will continue to exceed Peterson's stats over the course of their careers.
toxicbees
Footballguy
Here's how I breakdown Lynch:
Advantages:
- His wide stance makes it easy for him to shift quickly from left to right. Which will make lots of defenders miss.
- He can catch the ball well, and will do very well on screens and dump passes.
- He has a nose for the endzone. He picks the right holes that give him just enough room to get in for the TD.
- He has good acceleration, not to be confused with long distance speed. After a cut he'll just blow by guys with his burst acceleration.
Disadvantages:
- Doesn't have long distance speed, he'll be caught from behind.
- He had two bad ankles last year and could be an injury concern. He seems to run bow legged, could that result in more ankle injuries?
Intangibles:
- Has a good head on his shoulder. All that stuff about the some girl getting a restraining order is just his friends from the Oakland ghetto trying to get some of his money.
- He was a team leader on Cal, and motivated guys like Dorsett to play better.
Overall:
- I definitely think he's the 3rd pick in the draft. He's not above Calvin Johnson. If he goes to a bad situation you could make an argument for another back over him, but it would be close.
Advantages:
- His wide stance makes it easy for him to shift quickly from left to right. Which will make lots of defenders miss.
- He can catch the ball well, and will do very well on screens and dump passes.
- He has a nose for the endzone. He picks the right holes that give him just enough room to get in for the TD.
- He has good acceleration, not to be confused with long distance speed. After a cut he'll just blow by guys with his burst acceleration.
Disadvantages:
- Doesn't have long distance speed, he'll be caught from behind.
- He had two bad ankles last year and could be an injury concern. He seems to run bow legged, could that result in more ankle injuries?
Intangibles:
- Has a good head on his shoulder. All that stuff about the some girl getting a restraining order is just his friends from the Oakland ghetto trying to get some of his money.
- He was a team leader on Cal, and motivated guys like Dorsett to play better.
Overall:
- I definitely think he's the 3rd pick in the draft. He's not above Calvin Johnson. If he goes to a bad situation you could make an argument for another back over him, but it would be close.
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Domination
Footballguy
Fair enough, but I don't see how you can like AD more in Cleveland (most likely), than the opportunity lynch will have on his respective team.Avery said:
Avery
Footballguy
Agree that Peterson landing in Cleavland would be a much less advantageous situation than Lynch landing in Buffalo or Green Bay, but with league parity how it is, with teams going from "worst to first" on a regular basis, I only weigh current team strength so much for dynasty purposes.Situations change quickly in the NFL and I just have to lean towards Peterson's imposing talent over Lynch in career/dynasty production.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
People last year were probably saying Bush in HOU or NOS would kill his potential. It didn't.
