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*** OFFICIAL*** Minnesota Vikings offseason thread (2 Viewers)
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It's not a good investment...just like Target Field wasn't a good investment either. And I say that as a person who would probably'Andy Dufresne said:Looks to me like, by those numbers, it actually wouldn't be a good investment.
if the Vikings left town.What people who support the funding of stadiums with public dollars fail to mention is that the ~$650 million could go a LONG way towards infrastructure improvements, the recruitment of new businesses to the State (you know, companies that will provide many, MANY more good-paying jobs, sell more houses near said jobs, get more kids attending classes in the local school districts, et al), and/or reducing our tax burden and/or deficit. Yet here were are...talking about giving nine-figures of our money to billionaires, so that millionaires can play professional sports for a living.Two other thoughts:
1. How on Earth can any Republican who supports public money for stadium projects sleep at night?
Folks are basically running on a platform of smaller government and reducing "welfare," yet they are more than willing to bend over, grab their butt-cheeks, and say "I'm ready when you are, cowboy!" when the Pohlads, Taylors, or Wilfs come calling. I'll never forgive (or forget) the Republican representative from New Ulm and his leading the charge for a new Twins stadium using public money. Then practically in the same sentence/speech talking about how smaller government and tax cuts were the answer to fixing our problems as a State. The hypocrisy is absolutely astonishing! Yet the sheep and lemmings step up to the trough, asking for more.2. Why the #### doesn't any of the plans for a downtown stadium include a major parking garage structure? Or two? Or ten? Why use-up all of that tremendously valuable land for surface parking, when that land would be prime real estate for more white-collar companies to locate downtown. Seems like an incredible over-sight on the part of all-parties involved in discussing the downtown location. And even when the Twins played at Metrodome, I always thought: "why the #### are they using up city block after city block for parking down here?"
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Home game against the Packers...great way to end the franchise!!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Kuhn
Footballguy
.500? No way...a win in the division is very unlikely, and "easier" games like STL and SEA are still on the road. I can maybe see them starting out 2-0, but another 2 wins on top of that is the only safe bet I would consider making at first glance. The late bye is really going to be tough, especially if Ponder and Harvin get nicked up often again like last year.'Herb said:
mozzy84
Footballguy
Red Forman
Footballguy
I figured 9-7 as well, except I had a win against Tenn. and another loss against GB. I like where your head is though.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
4-12
Red Forman
Footballguy
4-12
Herb
Footballguy
Right, right... I said .500 if things break right, "things" being a relatively small amount of injuries to key players, the team playing better than expected, taking care of the football, adding the right draft choices/ free agents, pulling out a couple wins we don't expect,etc. All things being equal, I'm thinking more like 4-6 wins. And a lot of praying that the 2013 season and beyond are still in MN.
mozzy84
Footballguy
4-12
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
GD it!
Jobber
Footballguy
OOOOOOOOOOOFGD it!
mozzy84
Footballguy
Would selecting Claiborne really be that bad of a move? I want nothing to do with Blackmon....GD it!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They'd be settling for 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, ??? place at the LT position if they do.And for the type of defense they're running, I can't understand why they'd be looking for an elite CB.It has got to be smokescreen.
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mozzy84
Footballguy
this is a very good point, I was thinking smokscreen also reading that. It would be great to have a shut down corner for the start of LA years though
The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
How much money would say 2 Super Bowls bring to the state of Minnesota over the next 15-20 years if they build a state of the art stadium like Lucas Oil or Cowboy Stadium?yea you're right, I'm just pissed I guess and looking for anything to make me feel better
The Kuhn
Footballguy
"Shutdown corner" is too hard of an honor to put on a player in today's NFL. See how Asomugha fit into PHI. Peterson was drafted early last year by ARI, and he went 5th overall (Haden went 7th, Revis went 14th, Pacman Jones went 6th years ago)- he had decent stats last season, but I don't think anybody would classify ARI as having a "shutdown corner" going into 2012. Claiborne seems way too early for 3rd overall. I think if you want a true shutdown corner, you need to go with a guy who has a resume of doing it in the NFL.
Likewise, if your QB can't stay upright, having Blackmon running fast routes isn't going to matter.
Likewise, if your QB can't stay upright, having Blackmon running fast routes isn't going to matter.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Most people expect them to draft Kalil but I won't be schocked if they draft Claiborne. The only reason for going down that path would be the coaching staffs utter frustration with this teams inability to produce turnovers. I was expecting them to dratft Tyron Smith last year if he got passed the Cowboys. You would think Kalil would be even better. So just in case they do go down that road, the Vikings might want to take a look at Donald Stephenson. Nolan Nawroki has said that he is first round left tackle athletically but there is a huge 'miss' factor with him.
Herb
Footballguy
Serious consequences
So Goodell has finally gotten involved and turned up the heat, deservedly...
BUT
White Earth tribe stadium funding
I don't live in MN anymore and am not always up on the current news there, so this is the first I've heard of this.
WTF is the problem here??? Are MN politics as f-ed up as nat'l politics? Are these people completely f-in useless??? 
YOU SUCK!!!!
Note to Viking fans and the good people of my home state: Throw these POSs out on their asses in November!!!
So Goodell has finally gotten involved and turned up the heat, deservedly...
BUT
White Earth tribe stadium funding
I don't live in MN anymore and am not always up on the current news there, so this is the first I've heard of this.
WTF is the problem here??? Are MN politics as f-ed up as nat'l politics? Are these people completely f-in useless???
YOU SUCK!!!!
Note to Viking fans and the good people of my home state: Throw these POSs out on their asses in November!!!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think there are a number of up and coming WRs that will be around the Vikes' third pick - Childs, Ryan Broyles, A.J. Jenkins. And T.Y. Hilton seems to be moving up the boards too.
snogger
Footballguy
The tribe casino is so amazing to me.. If you need any more proof that politicians are bought and paid for it should be done after this.There has been plenty of talk of making Canterbury park a "Raciono" that would not only fund the Stadium, but also provide funds for other Tax payer expenses..Serious consequences
So Goodell has finally gotten involved and turned up the heat, deservedly...
BUT
White Earth tribe stadium funding
I don't live in MN anymore and am not always up on the current news there, so this is the first I've heard of this.
WTF is the problem here??? Are MN politics as f-ed up as nat'l politics? Are these people completely f-in useless???
YOU SUCK!!!!
Note to Viking fans and the good people of my home state: Throw these POSs out on their asses in November!!!
But the current Indian casino's have so much money flowing into their pockets and back into politicians pockets that they won't even let it get to committee.
Red Forman
Footballguy
WTF is the problem here??? Are MN politics as f-ed up as nat'l politics? Are these people completely f-in useless???
Still cant believe they voted for Mondale..
Red Forman
Footballguy
They took me for 3k in Red Wing a few years ago.. BASTARDS!!!The tribe casino is so amazing to me.. If you need any more proof that politicians are bought and paid for it should be done after this.There has been plenty of talk of making Canterbury park a "Raciono" that would not only fund the Stadium, but also provide funds for other Tax payer expenses..Serious consequences
So Goodell has finally gotten involved and turned up the heat, deservedly...
BUT
White Earth tribe stadium funding
I don't live in MN anymore and am not always up on the current news there, so this is the first I've heard of this.
WTF is the problem here??? Are MN politics as f-ed up as nat'l politics? Are these people completely f-in useless???
YOU SUCK!!!!
Note to Viking fans and the good people of my home state: Throw these POSs out on their asses in November!!!
But the current Indian casino's have so much money flowing into their pockets and back into politicians pockets that they won't even let it get to committee.
encaitar
Footballguy
Yeah, no doubt. You have the largest and poorest Native American tribe in the state saying "We'll pay for the state's portion of the bill if you let us do what every other tribe in the state is doing, plus we'll give you more money on top of that." How is that not an instant yes? Keep the Vikings and taxpayers don't pay a dime? This should be option #1 IMO.The tribe casino is so amazing to me.. If you need any more proof that politicians are bought and paid for it should be done after this.There has been plenty of talk of making Canterbury park a "Raciono" that would not only fund the Stadium, but also provide funds for other Tax payer expenses..Serious consequences
So Goodell has finally gotten involved and turned up the heat, deservedly...
BUT
White Earth tribe stadium funding
I don't live in MN anymore and am not always up on the current news there, so this is the first I've heard of this.
WTF is the problem here??? Are MN politics as f-ed up as nat'l politics? Are these people completely f-in useless???
YOU SUCK!!!!
Note to Viking fans and the good people of my home state: Throw these POSs out on their asses in November!!!
But the current Indian casino's have so much money flowing into their pockets and back into politicians pockets that they won't even let it get to committee.
encaitar
Footballguy
I agree. A huge water-skiing, bass fishing lake would be awesome. Plus, then all the Minnesotans could move to Wisconsin and maybe that state would suck less.
SWC
Bromigo
its fishin not fishing they are totally different but what do i expect from a minnesota education take that the hospital brohan because you need to check in to the burn ward
encaitar
Footballguy
If you say so. FYI, I'm not from Minnesota, but would much rather live in Minneapolis than anywhere in Wisconsin.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Peterson wasn't an All-Pro because of his cornerbacking skills.
Heatman
Footballguy
You two have no idea what you are talking about. Minnesota is a great state and a large part of that is because of it's reputation as being super cold all the time. Keeps the rifraf out.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I guess I will not question Adam Schefter in the future. The official Viking line is that they haven't made a decision between their top 3 of Kalil, Blackmon and Claiborne. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/vikings-choosing-between-blackmon-claiborne-and-kalil-with-third-pick/
griff321
Footballguy
Typical drunken sconie. You can't take care of your own resources, so you have to come and use ours. Not to mention what kind of rube targets the runt bass that dominate this far north!?
RandyDB
Footballguy
If they select anyone other than Kalil at the 3 spot, it should be Friday morningI would say the Vikings need to take the player that they think is the best on the board, but they seem to have them rated equal.'Donnybrook said:So, what's the O/U on Spielman being on the street? Two years?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am actually liking this Monty Haul pick the 3 doors shtick. I doubt any team will give us what I think it should take for us to draft anyone but Kalil. But maybe some fish are biting. Maybe there is already an offer made that would cause us to move the pick. I don't know who is going to win this game of chicken between the Vikings and the Browns if we trade down with the Bucs. I suppose it is possible Kalil could be there at pick 5.I would say the Vikings need to take the player that they think is the best on the board, but they seem to have them rated equal.'Donnybrook said:
If we really have all 3 of these players rated the same (I do not believe this)then taking value from the Browns or the Bucs seems like the only trade scenarios we would be considering. Both of those teams want Claiborne and Richardson. So either team might prefer one of them over the other and want to make sure they get their guy. I know the Browns have said they won't be trading up. But that does not mean they won't if they think the Vikings have a deal with the Bucs. I guess it comes down to if either team wants Claiborne or not. If I were either team I would let the Vikings take Claiborne and draft Richardson, Kalil or Blackmon instead. So in the end I don't see a trade happening.
If we traded with the Rams I am pretty sure they would be trading up for Kalil. I could see that happening and the Rams still profiting from their move down while also giving us some picks. This is what I am worried might actually happen. Then we need to be sure that either the Bucs or the Browns will take Richardson, so that either Claiborne (not likely) or Blackmon is still there to pick at 6. I think the price would need to be high to not take Kalil and a move like this is more risky for Spielman than staying put and drafting Kalil.
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Heatman
Footballguy
If they select anyone other than Kalil at the 3 spot, it should be Friday morningI would say the Vikings need to take the player that they think is the best on the board, but they seem to have them rated equal.'Donnybrook said:
And he won't draft Kalil because he is a moron who thinks he has to prove how much smarter he is than the rest of the NFL.
SWC
Bromigo
skol turning minnesota into a giant lake and sending the people there to live on mars everyone knows that it isnot the size of the bass you are catchin but rather just getting out there and fishin for them with a power bait of some type or a shad rap and rocketing across the lake at close to 90 in a double motor rig souped up 4 cycle speed bass boat around here we call me the bassin assasin so i know what im talking about take that to the trout pond at yuor local sports show thats about the only place a guy from minny will catch anything and then it will be a liver tasting stocked fish good job we can call you the bluegill kid so from the bassin assain to the bluegill kid go tell your grandmomma she is a brohan
griff321
Footballguy
Well played sir. This brings up a good topic though. Since the whole mood surrounding the Vikings stadium issue is depressing, who is heading out for opener and where?I'll be on Leech, likely Sand Point/Grandvu flats, pounding fatty 'eyes.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I hope to be on Stoney Point
BTW- This may be FFA topical but the Vikes stadium situation set in stone my 2012 voting plan to vote against each and every incumbant. From the budget BS in 2011 to ongoing political shenanigans in recent days, this legislature is utterly worthless. They are there to do a job, and tying back to the Vikes situation that job is to vote on behalf of their constituents either for or against the stadium bill; not to stall something out in an orchestrated committee vote that spares other legislators from being on the record either way in an election year. It's embarrassing. If a legislator feels his/her constituents do not support a stadium, then vote no and deal with the political consequences from the opposition. That's your job.
Herb
Footballguy
Bravo sir!!! I wish I could help you in that cause.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Even if they would have voted in favor of a stadium?
BigJim®
Footballguy
Had the legislature voted for or against a stadium bill, obviously those would be polar opposite facts. In that scenario, my opinion of the legislature would change because it would show they are doing their job - agree or disagree with the outcome. Then one could decide whether individual legislators voted your voice, but it would not be an indictment on the legislature as a whole. I don't believe for a second they will put this up for a vote. At present, my impression is this legislature as a whole is hell bent on rhetorical games to safeguard political careers. And again it's not just the stadium topic, this Legislature acted appallingly during the budget fiasco last year.
