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***Official MLB 2013 Season Thread (1 Viewer)
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dparker713
Footballguy
He may very well be successful inspite of himselfHe's 162 games over .500 in over 3000 games managed, which puts him 30th in the all-time list. Dusty gets criticized a lot for his lineup and in-game decisions and now apparently for his sartorial ones as well, but he's generally been successful.FDAS said:Whats with the 13 wristbands? He looks ridiculous out there.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Crazy how far the happy coincidence of joining the San Francisco Giants at the exact same time as Barry Bonds can take a manager.He may very well be successful inspite of himselfHe's 162 games over .500 in over 3000 games managed, which puts him 30th in the all-time list. Dusty gets criticized a lot for his lineup and in-game decisions and now apparently for his sartorial ones as well, but he's generally been successful.FDAS said:
Eephus
Footballguy
Fair enough but writing Bonds' name on the lineup card wasn't the only thing involved in managing him.Crazy how far the happy coincidence of joining the San Francisco Giants at the exact same time as Barry Bonds can take a manager.He may very well be successful inspite of himselfHe's 162 games over .500 in over 3000 games managed, which puts him 30th in the all-time list. Dusty gets criticized a lot for his lineup and in-game decisions and now apparently for his sartorial ones as well, but he's generally been successful.FDAS said:
Man management has always been a tough thing to quantify when it comes to rating managers. That and media relations have always been among Baker's strengths.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Agreed to a point. There was a question awhile back about whether Tony LaRussa would have won as many titles with the Yankees as Joe Torre. The answer is that LaRussa was a better in-game manager, but wouldn't have worked the NY media or more importantly Steinbrenner, as well as Torre did. The Yanks had a team full of pseudo-managers that could essentially run themselves, but he was very adept at insulating the problem guys (Boomer Wells) from the media and fans for the most part.
That being said, Dusty is pretty awful in-game no matter how good his media relations are.
That being said, Dusty is pretty awful in-game no matter how good his media relations are.
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cheese
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Even if you want to discount the intangibles, what Dusty has gotten out of the Reds pitching staff from 2010-2013 in that ballpark is unreal. Cueto has turned into an absolute ace on his watch, Bailey gets better every year, he helped Leake be successful straight from college, and Bronson Arroyo has more wins than any pitcher in the NL since he has been a Red. All in possibly the biggest hitters park in baseball. He and Price have something working.
cheese
Footballguy
You may be underestimating how awful the Reds were when Dusty walked in. Coming off probably the worst decade in franchise history.He may very well be successful inspite of himselfHe's 162 games over .500 in over 3000 games managed, which puts him 30th in the all-time list. Dusty gets criticized a lot for his lineup and in-game decisions and now apparently for his sartorial ones as well, but he's generally been successful.FDAS said:
dparker713
Footballguy
Why would you give credit to Baker for any of that? Is he calling the pitches? Is he running side sessions? Its not like Dusty was a pitcher in his playing career either. He's stopped shredding arms, but that's just as likely a directive from the GM as anything else.
And the biggest hitters park in baseball is Colorado - its not close. GAB might be in the top 5, but top 10 is more likely.
dparker713
Footballguy
The ending the worst decade in franchise history had a lot more to do with getting rid of Jim Bowden than getting Dusty Baker.You may be underestimating how awful the Reds were when Dusty walked in. Coming off probably the worst decade in franchise history.He may very well be successful inspite of himselfHe's 162 games over .500 in over 3000 games managed, which puts him 30th in the all-time list. Dusty gets criticized a lot for his lineup and in-game decisions and now apparently for his sartorial ones as well, but he's generally been successful.FDAS said:
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah, I read or heard something a while back (maybe the old Up and In podcast?) about all the different jobs a manager has to do, and how strategy decisions are only a small part of it. Babysitter, teacher, ego manager, motivator, boss of coaching staff, etc. Definitely possible, maybe even likely, that Dusty is really good at all the stuff we don't see.
Problem is that we can only judge the stuff we do see. And also that it's possible to demonstrate those mistakes pretty clearly. And also that some of those mistakes (Cosart batting second, to name the most obvious one) are pretty easy to fix if you're not stubborn.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Count me in too. I had no clueI didn't know that either. Thought he was with the Cards.What the hell in Mac doing in LA?? How long has he been there?
cheese
Footballguy
If we're not giving credit to managers for winning or their players improving under them, what managers are good?
My only point was this... the organization sucked in every way possible when he got here. The team is now good and winning. Let's not pretend that Dusty walked into a really good and just started coasting to victories. The team has been entirely rebuilt on and off the field since he's been there and he's been a part of that.
cheese
Footballguy
Debatable, but the timeline shows this...The ending the worst decade in franchise history had a lot more to do with getting rid of Jim Bowden than getting Dusty Baker.You may be underestimating how awful the Reds were when Dusty walked in. Coming off probably the worst decade in franchise history.He may very well be successful inspite of himselfHe's 162 games over .500 in over 3000 games managed, which puts him 30th in the all-time list. Dusty gets criticized a lot for his lineup and in-game decisions and now apparently for his sartorial ones as well, but he's generally been successful.FDAS said:
2003 Bowden fired
2004 Reds Awful
2005 Reds Awful
2006 Reds Awful
2007 Reds Awful
2008 Baker Hired
2009 Reds Awful
2010-2013 Reds good
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dparker713
Footballguy
All you need to do is take a look at the Pirates to understand how long it can take to recover from an abysmal GM.Debatable, but the timeline shows this...The ending the worst decade in franchise history had a lot more to do with getting rid of Jim Bowden than getting Dusty Baker.You may be underestimating how awful the Reds were when Dusty walked in. Coming off probably the worst decade in franchise history.He may very well be successful inspite of himselfHe's 162 games over .500 in over 3000 games managed, which puts him 30th in the all-time list. Dusty gets criticized a lot for his lineup and in-game decisions and now apparently for his sartorial ones as well, but he's generally been successful.FDAS said:
2003 Bowden fired
2004 Reds Awful
2005 Reds Awful
2006 Reds Awful
2007 Reds Awful
2008 Baker Hired
2009 Reds Awful
2010-2013 Reds good
dparker713
Footballguy
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Heard there was going to be fight last night.
sporthenry
Footballguy
I'm taking the Dodgers in the rematch. Gibson might be scrappy but Mattingly just threw down Trammel and Mac over Matt Williams any day.Heard there was going to be fight last night.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Can't believe I've held onto Hart for this long, but I'm dumping him.
Some comments from Doug Melvin, Brewers GM with a Milwaukee station...
Now, Melvin says that the Brewers may need to wait until after the "Midsummer Classic" to see Hart, a former All-Star, return to action.
"He's taking batting practice. He's making some strides. They're small steps to get back. He's working out every day. We don't have a schedule. I don't anticipate it this week or next two weeks. We'd love to have him back after the All-Star break."
Some comments from Doug Melvin, Brewers GM with a Milwaukee station...
Now, Melvin says that the Brewers may need to wait until after the "Midsummer Classic" to see Hart, a former All-Star, return to action.
"He's taking batting practice. He's making some strides. They're small steps to get back. He's working out every day. We don't have a schedule. I don't anticipate it this week or next two weeks. We'd love to have him back after the All-Star break."
Wrigley
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Premier
Footballguy
What did you think the responses to this were going to be?
shadyridr
Footballguy
we need a vent thread
Premier
Footballguy
definitely. Another guy I did not know was still in baseball.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
He was crushing AAA and likely coming back anyway, only difference is he'll play SS now.
rodg12
Footballguy
Swing 51
Footballguy
Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Ian Kennedy received a 10-game suspension for intentionally throwing a pitch in the head area of the Dodgers' Zack Greinke, the steepest penalty of the eight issued by Major League Baseball in the teams' Tuesday night brawl.
Kennedy's pitch came in the bottom of the seventh inning, after a warning had already been issued to both clubs earlier in the game.
D-backs infielder Eric Hinske received a five-game suspension for leaving the dugout and for his aggressive actions during the incidents.
Pitcher J.P. Howell and infielder/outfielder Skip Schumaker of the Dodgers each received two-game suspensions for their aggressive actions.
Dodgers hitting coach Mark McGwire received a two-game suspension for his conduct.
Dodgers pitcher Ronald Belisario received a one-game suspension for his aggressive actions during the incidents.
Dodgers manager Don Mattingly received a one-game suspension for the actions of his team and for his conduct.
D-backs manager Kirk Gibson received a one-game suspension for the intentional actions of Kennedy after a warning had been issued.
Kennedy's pitch came in the bottom of the seventh inning, after a warning had already been issued to both clubs earlier in the game.
D-backs infielder Eric Hinske received a five-game suspension for leaving the dugout and for his aggressive actions during the incidents.
Pitcher J.P. Howell and infielder/outfielder Skip Schumaker of the Dodgers each received two-game suspensions for their aggressive actions.
Dodgers hitting coach Mark McGwire received a two-game suspension for his conduct.
Dodgers pitcher Ronald Belisario received a one-game suspension for his aggressive actions during the incidents.
Dodgers manager Don Mattingly received a one-game suspension for the actions of his team and for his conduct.
D-backs manager Kirk Gibson received a one-game suspension for the intentional actions of Kennedy after a warning had been issued.
dparker713
Footballguy
Kennedy should have received 15 minimum, probably more like 25.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Has anyone figured out what Hinske did other than get punched by Puig?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Pujols and his piano out at home after taking off from 2nd base on a single in the gap. He is S-L-O-W............
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Are we about done with the post-game shaving cream pies to the face? I know it's fresh and new and everything....
cheese
Footballguy
Ya but he would just serve it now while he's hurt. Edison Volquez served an entire 50 game PED suspension while getting Tommy John lol
They are on the DL, and if you leave the bench during a brawl while on the DL, you get a suspension. Kemp didn't leave the bench, FWIW.
dparker713
Footballguy
Been thinking about this considering the suspension to Kennedy. In terms of detriment to the team, its going to do nothing because the Dbacks have a stretch where they can go with 4 starters for 10 games coming up. This is only really an issue with SP suspensions, so maybe they need to separate the loss of pay and the loss of playing time. That way you could actually create effective pitcher suspensions.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Did anyone else see how the Orioles game just ended? GOOD LORD!!!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I won't keep you in suspense any longer.
Baltimore enters the bottom of the 9th down 5-2 to the Red Sox. Jones singles, Weiters homers. 5-4.
Hardy singles with one out. Alexi Casilla pinch runs.
Flaherty hits a routine shallow fly ball to Victorino in right. Casilla is pulling up at 3rd base when he catches it. The jerkoff had one job to do, and he forgets how many outs there are. Victorino could have jogged to 1st base to double him up, but he throws it to first anyway.
How do you even walk into the clubhouse after that...
Baltimore enters the bottom of the 9th down 5-2 to the Red Sox. Jones singles, Weiters homers. 5-4.
Hardy singles with one out. Alexi Casilla pinch runs.
Flaherty hits a routine shallow fly ball to Victorino in right. Casilla is pulling up at 3rd base when he catches it. The jerkoff had one job to do, and he forgets how many outs there are. Victorino could have jogged to 1st base to double him up, but he throws it to first anyway.
How do you even walk into the clubhouse after that...
pollardsvision
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
