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Moore had two really bad outings in a row (Jun 4 at Detroit and Jun 9 vs. Baltimore) but has been better since.
Should just nickname this kid 'full count'Moore had two really bad outings in a row (Jun 4 at Detroit and Jun 9 vs. Baltimore) but has been better since.
There doesn't appear to be anything physically wrong with him; the stuff is still there but his command has been inconsistent. I think that's pretty much what Moore owners signed up for when they drafted him. I'm starting him tonight.
It's all luckAs do most pitchers when they're allowing almost 2 base runners per inning
Guy's going to make me start drinkingIt's all luckAs do most pitchers when they're allowing almost 2 base runners per inning
Maybe the Yankees can get the Devils, Islanders or Rangers to make ARod one of their amnesty contracts.
ETA: ...with confidenceEephus said:Moore had two really bad outings in a row (Jun 4 at Detroit and Jun 9 vs. Baltimore) but has been better since.RnR said:
There doesn't appear to be anything physically wrong with him; the stuff is still there but his command has been inconsistent. I think that's pretty much what Moore owners signed up for when they drafted him. I'm starting him tonight.
I have a hangover every morning after his starts.Limp Ditka said:Guy's going to make me start drinkingPremier said:It's all luckLimp Ditka said:As do most pitchers when they're allowing almost 2 base runners per inningPremier said:
More than I already do
When he's bad, he's real bad. Comes with the territory with Moore. He has a tendency to nibble, but gets away with it because of the high K rate and weak cotnact he enduces when there are hits. He gets pounded when he starts leaving the ball up in the zone. Really having trouble understanding why someone would draft him if they didn't expect this.Eephus said:Moore had two really bad outings in a row (Jun 4 at Detroit and Jun 9 vs. Baltimore) but has been better since.RnR said:
There doesn't appear to be anything physically wrong with him; the stuff is still there but his command has been inconsistent. I think that's pretty much what Moore owners signed up for when they drafted him. I'm starting him tonight.
Based on where he was drafted this year, almost every owner had to be expecting a major step forward. In April, it looked like they were getting it. Now, I think most are seeing that his WHIP will likely always be an issue.When he's bad, he's real bad. Comes with the territory with Moore. He has a tendency to nibble, but gets away with it because of the high K rate and weak cotnact he enduces when there are hits. He gets pounded when he starts leaving the ball up in the zone. Really having trouble understanding why someone would draft him if they didn't expect this.Eephus said:Moore had two really bad outings in a row (Jun 4 at Detroit and Jun 9 vs. Baltimore) but has been better since.RnR said:
There doesn't appear to be anything physically wrong with him; the stuff is still there but his command has been inconsistent. I think that's pretty much what Moore owners signed up for when they drafted him. I'm starting him tonight.
Moore just turned 24 last week. it's kind of urban legend but sometimes lefties do take longer to develop command. He'll never be Madison Bumgarner but Moore will eventually get his BB/9 under 4. Whether this happens before his velocity drops or if he can avoid the meltdown outings is the 100 million dollar question.Based on where he was drafted this year, almost every owner had to be expecting a major step forward. In April, it looked like they were getting it. Now, I think most are seeing that his WHIP will likely always be an issue.When he's bad, he's real bad. Comes with the territory with Moore. He has a tendency to nibble, but gets away with it because of the high K rate and weak cotnact he enduces when there are hits. He gets pounded when he starts leaving the ball up in the zone. Really having trouble understanding why someone would draft him if they didn't expect this.Eephus said:Moore had two really bad outings in a row (Jun 4 at Detroit and Jun 9 vs. Baltimore) but has been better since.RnR said:
There doesn't appear to be anything physically wrong with him; the stuff is still there but his command has been inconsistent. I think that's pretty much what Moore owners signed up for when they drafted him. I'm starting him tonight.
Why in the world would anyone expect a 24 year old pitcher......
Who coming into 2013 only had 1 year of MLB starting under his belt
Who was considered the best pitching prospect in the minors before he came up
Who posted a sub 1.00 WHIP during his time in AA and AAA
Who had a 1.22 WHIP post ASB last year
...to improve on his 2012 overall stats.
That's right, MAC. Bad job....Bad job on them.
Yep, you look at the wrong numbers.
Why in the world would anyone expect a 24 year old pitcher......
Who coming into 2013 only had 1 year of MLB starting under his belt
Who was considered the best pitching prospect in the minors before he came up
Who posted a sub 1.00 WHIP during his time in AA and AAA
Who had a 1.22 WHIP post ASB last year
...to improve on his 2012 overall stats.
That's right, MAC. Bad job....Bad job on them.
His stats is heavily influenced by the two bad starts in early June. If you exclude those, his WHIP and ERA are better than last years marks. Those starts happened but they take on too much significance over a small sample size of 86 IP. This will even out if he can avoid meltdowns over the rest of the season.Yep, you look at the wrong numbers.
Why in the world would anyone expect a 24 year old pitcher......
Who coming into 2013 only had 1 year of MLB starting under his belt
Who was considered the best pitching prospect in the minors before he came up
Who posted a sub 1.00 WHIP during his time in AA and AAA
Who had a 1.22 WHIP post ASB last year
...to improve on his 2012 overall stats.
That's right, MAC. Bad job....Bad job on them.
Career K/9 - 8.99, this year 8.62
Career BB/9 - 4.35, this year 4.98
Career BABIP - .289, this year .273
Career LOB - 74.1, this year 75.4
Career BAA - .231, this year .222
Career LD - 19.9, this year 20.4
Career GB - 37.5, this year 37.1
Career FB - 42.7, this year 42.5
Career HR/FB - 8.4, this year 7.8
If you were projecting career numbers for him this season, you wouldnt be an owner. You would've either been outbid in an auction, or he would've been taken ahead of you in a draft.
As I said earlier, he was the top of my list about 5-7 picks before he got to me in each of my drafts. Auctions he was priced just above. I expected mid 3/1.3 with a lot of K's and upside for more if he lowers his BB rate. I had him ranked in the same tier as Yu and Max behind Gio, Wainwright, Zimmermann, Cliff, and Bumgarner. Pair the low WHIP guy with the more volatile arm. If I don't get the volatile arm then wait it out and target Peavy, Shields, Samardzjia, or Minor a few rounds later.E-Z Glider said:
And the 32 in MAC 32 stands for the number of different stats he'll try to throw in your face when you dare question him on one individual stat.
Name calling is so unbecoming. Try to avoid tarnishing your well-built reputation around here with that kind of talk.
yeah, I just saw that. But I will have to make a decision when he is activated. Looks like I have some more time to think about it.
I'm confused. What are you even arguing? The problem with stats is that you can cherry pick stats from both sides and at the end of the day, you are still just making predictions whether the guy can improve on these stats or not. You seem to insinuate that players especially young ones don't improve their numbers as they mature?Yep, you look at the wrong numbers.
Why in the world would anyone expect a 24 year old pitcher......
Who coming into 2013 only had 1 year of MLB starting under his belt
Who was considered the best pitching prospect in the minors before he came up
Who posted a sub 1.00 WHIP during his time in AA and AAA
Who had a 1.22 WHIP post ASB last year
...to improve on his 2012 overall stats.
That's right, MAC. Bad job....Bad job on them.
Career K/9 - 8.99, this year 8.62
Career BB/9 - 4.35, this year 4.98
Career BABIP - .289, this year .273
Career LOB - 74.1, this year 75.4
Career BAA - .231, this year .222
Career LD - 19.9, this year 20.4
Career GB - 37.5, this year 37.1
Career FB - 42.7, this year 42.5
Career HR/FB - 8.4, this year 7.8
Matt Moore has never in his career had a month like the June he just had. He walked 6 batters twice (6 walks three times now this season; he did that 0 times last season). He walked 6 batters in 2.1 innings! That's a stunning lack of control for any pitcher on a bad day. If you can't look at these recent numbers and understand why owners are concerned, you're being willfully difficult. His overall numbers have evened out ... Well, sort of. He now enjoys a career worst ERA, WHIP and walk rate, which after his nice start is pretty remarkable. At worst, he's a worse pitcher than he was last year. At best, he settles down and claws his way back and makes a modest improvement on his sophomore season numbers.
