***Official MLB 2013 Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[pantagrapher]

Harvey to be shutdown at 200 innings. ####!!!

So much for the Mets playoff hopes.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Harvey to be shutdown at 200 innings. ####!!!

So much for the Mets playoff hopes.

Get'em next year guys.

 

[shadyridr]

The Mets are a big OF bat and a solid SS away from being a playoff team. A rotation of Harvey, Wheeler, Neise, Gee, and either Mejia or Syndergaard is pretty good. Darnaud at C. Maybe do some bullpen work but they have a solid closer in Parnell. Sad to say their future is much brighter than my Yanks

 

[Michael Brown]

Think Gee turns into a bullpen arm for them down the line, probably a solid one. Could use another arm out of the pen. But yeah been telling my dad for a couple years that he just needs to be patient for the run that is coming from 2014 on. Might've been a year optimistic, but assuming these pitchers stay healthy this will be a good team very soon.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Cholly gif

 

[TobiasFunke]

I find it very odd that nobody's talking about the fact that Hanley Ramirez clearly pulled a Vince Carter on Miami/the Marlins. He should be getting absolutely murdered by the press, they way they've done in the past when other talented players like Carter clearly start dogging it and sitting out with dubious injuries to force their way out. Why is he getting a pass? Because everyone loves the 2013 Dodgers story so nobody wants to be the bad guy and point out what a massive doosh the guy is? Because nobody cares about the Marlins? Some other reason?

 

[Wrigley]

nobody cares about the Marlins

 

[TobiasFunke]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

 

[Premier]

Marlins have done a lot of ####ty things to their fans. #### them.

 

[Eephus]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

 

[dparker713]

Think Gee turns into a bullpen arm for them down the line, probably a solid one. Could use another arm out of the pen. But yeah been telling my dad for a couple years that he just needs to be patient for the run that is coming from 2014 on. Might've been a year optimistic, but assuming these pitchers stay healthy this will be a good team very soon.

Problem is they have plenty of holes on the roster and they don't have the position prospects to fill them. Seeing as ownership is completely leveraged, they're not going to be spending anymore money on payroll anytime soon.

 

[TobiasFunke]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

 

[Eephus]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

His BABIP is 120 points higher this year than it was during his last year and a half in Florida.

I also recall him being hurt a lot in 2011.

 

[TobiasFunke]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

His BABIP is 120 points higher this year than it was during his last year and a half in Florida.

I also recall him being hurt a lot in 2011.

He's not a pitcher. BABIP for hitters fluctuates based on quality of contact being made. Higher LD%= higher BABIP. If you're dogging it you're probably not doing all you can to make good contact.

Yeah, he was hurt a bit. So was Vince Carte in Toronto.

Like I said, it's not that he's a criminal like Josh Lueke or Miguel Cabrera or something. Just saying I find it weird that nobody seems bothered by it they way people usually are bothered when athletes pull this routine in other sports.

 

[shadyridr]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

His BABIP is 120 points higher this year than it was during his last year and a half in Florida.

I also recall him being hurt a lot in 2011.

He's not a pitcher. BABIP for hitters fluctuates based on quality of contact being made. Higher LD%= higher BABIP. If you're dogging it you're probably not doing all you can to make good contact.

Yeah, he was hurt a bit. So was Vince Carte in Toronto.

Like I said, it's not that he's a criminal like Josh Lueke or Miguel Cabrera or something. Just saying I find it weird that nobody seems bothered by it they way people usually are bothered when athletes pull this routine in other sports.

Other than one incident of him kicking a ball into the outfield I dont remember people thinking he was dogging it in Miami. Maybe thats the difference

 

[Eephus]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

His BABIP is 120 points higher this year than it was during his last year and a half in Florida.

I also recall him being hurt a lot in 2011.

He's not a pitcher. BABIP for hitters fluctuates based on quality of contact being made. Higher LD%= higher BABIP. If you're dogging it you're probably not doing all you can to make good contact.

BABIP for hitters can be just as random as for pitchers, especially over a small sample size.

Do you really think he wasn't trying to drive the ball when he was in Florida? Can you attribute below par HR/FB and BABIP numbers to lack of effort? Basketball and baseball are very different sports. When basketball players loaf or hoist up ill advised shots, it has a much greater impact on the greater good. In baseball, fans single out players who don't run out ground balls but this is more symbolic than impactful in the grand scheme of the game. 99% of the time, it really doesn't matter if someone is thrown out by 5 or 20 feet on a 6-3 grounder.

 

[TobiasFunke]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

His BABIP is 120 points higher this year than it was during his last year and a half in Florida.

I also recall him being hurt a lot in 2011.

He's not a pitcher. BABIP for hitters fluctuates based on quality of contact being made. Higher LD%= higher BABIP. If you're dogging it you're probably not doing all you can to make good contact.

BABIP for hitters can be just as random as for pitchers, especially over a small sample size.

Do you really think he wasn't trying to drive the ball when he was in Florida? Can you attribute below par HR/FB and BABIP numbers to lack of effort? Basketball and baseball are very different sports. When basketball players loaf or hoist up ill advised shots, it has a much greater impact on the greater good. In baseball, fans single out players who don't run out ground balls but this is more symbolic than impactful in the grand scheme of the game. 99% of the time, it really doesn't matter if someone is thrown out by 5 or 20 feet on a 6-3 grounder.

I absolutely think he was putting forth less than 100% effort in Florida and that it showed in his production. I don't know if he was skipping film prep or his offseason training was lax (two things that could affect hitter BABIP and HR/FB rates) or he didn't work hard to recover from injury, or what. But the correlation seems too strong to just write off as coincidence, especially since he was benched for lack of effort in 2010 and was called out by his teammates during his time in Florida as well.

 

[dparker713]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

His BABIP is 120 points higher this year than it was during his last year and a half in Florida.

I also recall him being hurt a lot in 2011.

He's not a pitcher. BABIP for hitters fluctuates based on quality of contact being made. Higher LD%= higher BABIP. If you're dogging it you're probably not doing all you can to make good contact.

BABIP for hitters can be just as random as for pitchers, especially over a small sample size.

Do you really think he wasn't trying to drive the ball when he was in Florida? Can you attribute below par HR/FB and BABIP numbers to lack of effort? Basketball and baseball are very different sports. When basketball players loaf or hoist up ill advised shots, it has a much greater impact on the greater good. In baseball, fans single out players who don't run out ground balls but this is more symbolic than impactful in the grand scheme of the game. 99% of the time, it really doesn't matter if someone is thrown out by 5 or 20 feet on a 6-3 grounder.

I absolutely think he was putting forth less than 100% effort in Florida and that it showed in his production. I don't know if he was skipping film prep or his offseason training was lax (two things that could affect hitter BABIP and HR/FB rates) or he didn't work hard to recover from injury, or what. But the correlation seems too strong to just write off as coincidence, especially since he was benched for lack of effort in 2010 and was called out by his teammates during his time in Florida as well.

The correlation is too strong?!?!? Player performance fluctuates, especially in sample sizes this small. Plus, this isn't a Manny situation. He didn't start crushing as soon as he was traded to the Dodgers. Hell, he's been off the field a ton this season, he's just happened to crush it for the barely more than 200 PAs he's gotten.

 

[TobiasFunke]

nobody cares about the Marlins

Nobody really cares all that much about the Raptors either though, and for the rest of his life Vince Carter will be the guy who turned on his team with the lollygagging and the fake injuries and whatnot on his way out. Why is this different? Maybe because the Raptors have a lot of hard-core fans in Toronto that love the team and nobody in Miami cares about the Marlins?

If Jeffrey Loria doesn't care about his team and fanbase, why should I?

Because Hanley Ramirez should. He was getting paid a ton of money, and people were paying to see him and the team he was supposed to play for.

Not saying he's Josh Lueke or something like that, just saying it's weird that everyone's giving him a pass for dogging it for 2 years. That's the kind of thing sports fans usually frown upon.

His BABIP is 120 points higher this year than it was during his last year and a half in Florida.

I also recall him being hurt a lot in 2011.

He's not a pitcher. BABIP for hitters fluctuates based on quality of contact being made. Higher LD%= higher BABIP. If you're dogging it you're probably not doing all you can to make good contact.

BABIP for hitters can be just as random as for pitchers, especially over a small sample size.

Do you really think he wasn't trying to drive the ball when he was in Florida? Can you attribute below par HR/FB and BABIP numbers to lack of effort? Basketball and baseball are very different sports. When basketball players loaf or hoist up ill advised shots, it has a much greater impact on the greater good. In baseball, fans single out players who don't run out ground balls but this is more symbolic than impactful in the grand scheme of the game. 99% of the time, it really doesn't matter if someone is thrown out by 5 or 20 feet on a 6-3 grounder.

I absolutely think he was putting forth less than 100% effort in Florida and that it showed in his production. I don't know if he was skipping film prep or his offseason training was lax (two things that could affect hitter BABIP and HR/FB rates) or he didn't work hard to recover from injury, or what. But the correlation seems too strong to just write off as coincidence, especially since he was benched for lack of effort in 2010 and was called out by his teammates during his time in Florida as well.

The correlation is too strong?!?!? Player performance fluctuates, especially in sample sizes this small. Plus, this isn't a Manny situation. He didn't start crushing as soon as he was traded to the Dodgers. Hell, he's been off the field a ton this season, he's just happened to crush it for the barely more than 200 PAs he's gotten.

Fair enough, still a small sample size for his "renaissance." I'll just say it's kind of an eyebrow-raiser at this point, especially with the several reports out of Miami when he was there.

 

[Eephus]

Fair enough, still a small sample size for his "renaissance." I'll just say it's kind of an eyebrow-raiser at this point, especially with the several reports out of Miami when he was there.

Anibal Sanchez must have been dogging it too

 

[TobiasFunke]

Fair enough, still a small sample size for his "renaissance." I'll just say it's kind of an eyebrow-raiser at this point, especially with the several reports out of Miami when he was there.

Anibal Sanchez must have been dogging it too

When? He pitched 190+ innings each of the three years since he became a full-time starter in Florida, with FIPs of 3.32, 3.35 and 3.53 and fWARs of 4.2, 3.6 and 3.7 before posting a 2.41 FIP and a 4.2 fWAR with a bunch of starts left. Ramirez went from a consistent 7 fWAR player to a 4 fWAR player to a 1 fWAR player in a half-season to a 2.9 fWAR player in a full season and is now a 3.6fWAR player in a third of a season.

I conceded that maybe the sample size of Hanley's resurgence is still too small to be meaningful- no need to press the issue with totally irrelevant comparisons.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Pirates at Cardinals is a huge game. So of course, MLB Network is simulcasting the Angels and Yankees.

 

[Wrigley]

Pirates at Cardinals is a huge game. So of course, MLB Network is simulcasting the Angels and Yankees.

MLB network has to be owned by the Yes network, right?

Yankees are always on

 

[pantagrapher]

Pirates at Cardinals is a huge game. So of course, MLB Network is simulcasting the Angels and Yankees.

Looks like another great game underway too.

 

[pantagrapher]

What a ####### game.

 

[Don Quixote]

Reports are that Phillies are going to let go Manuel at 2:30 press conference.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Phillies have called press conference for 2:30. Speculation that Manuel may be out.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Reports are that Phillies are going to let go Manuel at 2:30 press conference.

Right, what he said...

 

[Raider Nation]

Boston Red Sox pitcher John Lackey said he should not have to face New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez this weekend in light of Rodriguez receiving a 211-game suspension for his role in the Biogenesis performance-enhancing drug scandal.Lackey is scheduled to pitch on Saturday at Fenway Park in the second game of a three-game set against the Yankees.

“I’ve got a problem with it. You bet I do,” Lackey told the Boston Globe. ”How is he still playing? He obviously did something and he’s playing. I’m not sure that’s right. … It’s pretty evident he’s been doing stuff for a lot of years I’ve been facing him.”

I want to see him out of the game as much as anyone, but there is this thing called an appeal. The same process you would be entitled to, you big goof.

 

[shadyridr]

Boston Red Sox pitcher John Lackey said he should not have to face New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez this weekend in light of Rodriguez receiving a 211-game suspension for his role in the Biogenesis performance-enhancing drug scandal.

Lackey is scheduled to pitch on Saturday at Fenway Park in the second game of a three-game set against the Yankees.“I’ve got a problem with it. You bet I do,” Lackey told the Boston Globe. ”How is he still playing? He obviously did something and he’s playing. I’m not sure that’s right. … It’s pretty evident he’s been doing stuff for a lot of years I’ve been facing him.”

I want to see him out of the game as much as anyone, but there is this thing called an appeal. The same process you would be entitled to, you big goof.

exactly. Players bargained to have the right to an appeal. Lackey is a clown

 

[shadyridr]

Did Manuel retire or get fired? Cuz to fire a WS winning manager after his first losing season on a team with a bunch of injured veterans is an absolute joke.

 

[Thunderlips]

Did Manuel retire or get fired? Cuz to fire a WS winning manager after his first losing season on a team with a bunch of injured veterans is an absolute joke.

I kind of got the sense that this was his last year regardless.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

He said in the press conference that he did not plan to retire and would like to manage again if a job were open. Said that he and Ruben had been discussing the future of the team for 6 days in a row and he did not quit or resign, so was basically fired. He had a good run and I'm not sure how long his future would be, but I agree that it is certainly not his fault. The Phillies have offered him some other type of job in the organization and he said that he would take some time and consider that or whether he wanted to try to get another job. Probably will depend on what his agent thinks that the market is like for him.

 

[shadyridr]

Yikes! Jerry remy's son

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/boston-red-sox-player-son-charged-stabbing-girlfriend-death-article-1.1429028

 

[Daywalker]

Chad Curtis says hi :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/chad-curtis-guilty-sex-assault_n_3769769.html

 

[GroveDiesel]

Did Manuel retire or get fired? Cuz to fire a WS winning manager after his first losing season on a team with a bunch of injured veterans is an absolute joke.

Fired on the day the team was supposed to celebrate Manuel's 1000th career win. Absolute disagrace to not only fire him before the end of the season given his history and how many injuries they had, but on a night that his career was supposed to be celebrated by the organization. Absolutely unbelievable.

 

[pantagrapher]

Guess I picked the wrong day to stream Gaudin.

 

[sporthenry]

Did Manuel retire or get fired? Cuz to fire a WS winning manager after his first losing season on a team with a bunch of injured veterans is an absolute joke.

The way they did it was ####ty. But firing Manuel wasn't much of a surprise. The team has been sad to watch. Their run differential is 3rd worst in the majors. Since the ASB, they are 5-20 which by my count was the worst in the majors. Only team who came close to that are the Stros who are 6-21. The team stopped playing for him. Players took blame. Sandberg mentioned the "lackadaisical play" and when you are rebuilding, that is about the worst thing. Don't need the young guys to learn bad habits from guys like Rollins.

And last year they were a .500 ball club who played 5 over in September so they could just have easily been a losing ball club last year. Similar with hiding behind the injured veterans. Howard going down didn't affect this team. Halladay hurt but he was trending this way last year. Of course some of the issues are management but when management hires/fires the coach, the coach is the first one to go. But even with poor management, you'd have a hard time convincing me that the Phillies are the 2nd worst team in the NL.

 

[Raider Nation]

Miggy suspended for 105 games after testing positive for Adderall twice!!!

 

[pantagrapher]

Miggy suspended for 105 games after testing positive for Adderall twice!!!

 

[Raider Nation]

Miggy suspended for 105 games after testing positive for Adderall twice!!!

What do you think his friends call him.... Ernie?

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Chad Curtis says hi :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/chad-curtis-guilty-sex-assault_n_3769769.html

WTF. Curtis was one of my favorite players back in the day. Hate to see this

 

[Brady Marino]

Chad Curtis says hi :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/chad-curtis-guilty-sex-assault_n_3769769.html

WTF. Curtis was one of my favorite players back in the day. Hate to see this

Wasn't Curtis a major religious nut?

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Timm Rosenbach to Ricky Proehl and the ageless Roy Green.

Babe Laufenberg to Mike Irvin. Herschel Walker with a twenty-yard scamper.

 

[Daywalker]

Chad Curtis says hi :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/chad-curtis-guilty-sex-assault_n_3769769.html

WTF. Curtis was one of my favorite players back in the day. Hate to see this

Can't imagine the guy has problems picking up women. Issues. Knock-knock, "Ummm, I'm Chad Curtis you're neighbor."

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Chad Curtis says hi :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/chad-curtis-guilty-sex-assault_n_3769769.html

WTF. Curtis was one of my favorite players back in the day. Hate to see this

Well the Red Sux one-upped you, Jerry Remy's kid killed a chick.

Make sure you scroll to the bottom of that article to see a picture of Jerry Jr.

 

[Premier]

How much booze does John Gibbons consume a day? All of it?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

How much booze does John Gibbons consume a day? All of it?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

#### the Red Sox.

Don't care that it's A-Rod. Throwing at a guy four times and then having your entire team storm the field when no one came out of the Yankees dugout gets every bit of what's coming to it.

 

[the moops]

Should have tossed Dempster, but you gotta expect more of similar stuff if you are Arod.