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***Official MLB 2013 Season Thread (4 Viewers)

Ryan Braun called other players when he appealed his 2012 suspension, looking for support. He told some players the collector was an anti-Semite. What a ####in scumbag

 
Friday night during Yankees-Red Sox on Channel 9, Alex Rodriguez came to bat in the first. The fans in Fenway Park booed. And booed. A chant could barely be heard above those boos.Michael Kay, a master of bad guesses he reports as factual, explained: The Boston crowd is “now trying to rub salt in the wounds, some of the Fenway faithful chanting ‘Derek Jeter.’ ” :lmao:

What? What!

Why in the name of the human condition would Red Sox fans choose to mock Alex Rodriguez by chanting a salute to Derek Jeter? Kay’s on-the-scene, right-on-top-of-things sense of the moment was preposterous.

“No,” said Ken Singleton, “it’s ‘You’re a cheater.’ ” He added “Derek’s not here” — not that there was any way that Kay would have heard such a chant had Jeter been there!

That Kay would think he heard such a chant, let alone report it as a fact, was staggering. As if Yankee fans would trash a Red Sox player by chanting, “Dustin Pedroia!”

The next day from Fenway, on Fox, Alfonso Soriano was doubled up, caught off second on Curtis Granderson’s none-out fly to short center with runners on first and second. Killer play.

Tim McCarver explained: “That’s a bad base-running play by a good baserunner.”

What? What!

Soriano has been a dreadful baserunner from the moment he broke in as a Yankee regular, in 2001.

He’s more a career base-jogger and home plate-poser than a “baserunner,” his failure to run noted by his first big league manager, Joe Torre, along with everyone else. It was — and remains — inescapable that Soriano was/is habitually one base short of where he belonged/belongs, including first base.

Yet, McCarver told a national audience Soriano’s normally “a good base-runner”! That’s like telling us Shaquille O’Neal is normally a good free-throw shooter.

In Robinson Cano’s four at-bats, Saturday, he barely jogged toward first as he was being thrown out. Four times he put the ball in play, not once did he bother to run!

Yet, McCarver, who knows good baserunners — such as Soriano — from bad ones, never said a word about what was impossible to miss, even once!
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It seems like there are more plays-at-the-plate than ever before. Is it mainly because PED's have been mostly washed out of the game, and as such, teams are not waiting on the three-run homer, but instead are manufacturing runs?

Every night Heidi Watney is talking over a clip of a running barreling around third.

 
http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-dozen-days-in-life-of-barry-bonds.html

The above article got me curious about Frank Thomas. I am a Cubs fan who watches maybe 5 Sox games a year. Except when the Big Hurt was playing. I watched every at bat of his I could. Of course there are other hitters that belong in this comparison and do with Bonds what you may. But I thought the Cabrera comparison would be interesting.

Baseball-Reference has a cumulative section for every player for every year for their career. Miggy is finishing up his 11th year. MIggy has an extra 202 PA's and counting as well as about a season (or less) worth leads in most counting stats due to 638 more at bats. The difference between PA's and AB's is a result of BIg Hurt's 400+ edge in walks (while Miggy was IBB more). He struck out 348 times less, scored 33 more runs, and holds a 14 point edge in OPS+. Both are currently .321 hitters but Thomas has the edge in OBP (.440 vs .391) and SLG (.579 vs .570).

Of course the numbers will change a bit in the next month plus. And it was in Big Hurt's 12th year that the injuries began to take affect. Their careers have been on two entirely different paths. The Big Hurt had a 174 or better OPS+ in his first 8 seasons peaking at 212 at age 26 while Miggy didn't have a 170 season until age 27 (2010) peaking this year at 30 with a current 202 OPS+.

 
Braves seem cursed with bad injury luck. First Hudson's gruesome injury when he was red hot and now Heyward's ugly broken jaw when he was red hot.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Braves seem cursed with bad injury luck. First Hudson's gruesome injury when he was red hot and now Heyward's ugly broken jaw when he was red hot.
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I know Niese wasn't trying to injure Heyward but you think this incident will prevent Braves pitchers from throwing intentionally at players in the future?

 
Swing 51 said:
GroveDiesel said:
Braves seem cursed with bad injury luck. First Hudson's gruesome injury when he was red hot and now Heyward's ugly broken jaw when he was red hot.
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I know Niese wasn't trying to injure Heyward but you think this incident will prevent Braves pitchers from throwing intentionally at players in the future?
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No. Braves pitchers aren't going to throw at a guy's head. This was clearly a ball that just got away. Harper is still going to get a ball to the back when he struts.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Swing 51 said:
GroveDiesel said:
Braves seem cursed with bad injury luck. First Hudson's gruesome injury when he was red hot and now Heyward's ugly broken jaw when he was red hot.
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I know Niese wasn't trying to injure Heyward but you think this incident will prevent Braves pitchers from throwing intentionally at players in the future?
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Harper is still going to get a ball to the back when he struts.
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3 times? And JUpton took longer than Harp to trot around the bases in that game. The saying "what goes around comes around" ringing true here I believe.

Sucks for Heyward, he seems like a good dude.

 
Swing 51 said:
GroveDiesel said:
Swing 51 said:
GroveDiesel said:
Braves seem cursed with bad injury luck. First Hudson's gruesome injury when he was red hot and now Heyward's ugly broken jaw when he was red hot.
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I know Niese wasn't trying to injure Heyward but you think this incident will prevent Braves pitchers from throwing intentionally at players in the future?
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Harper is still going to get a ball to the back when he struts.
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3 times? And JUpton took longer than Harp to trot around the bases in that game. The saying "what goes around comes around" ringing true here I believe.

Sucks for Heyward, he seems like a good dude.
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So what you're telling me here is that you weren't asking an honest question, you're really just a bitter Nats fan that is secretly glad a Brave just got his jaw shattered. Gotcha.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Swing 51 said:
GroveDiesel said:
Swing 51 said:
GroveDiesel said:
Braves seem cursed with bad injury luck. First Hudson's gruesome injury when he was red hot and now Heyward's ugly broken jaw when he was red hot.
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I know Niese wasn't trying to injure Heyward but you think this incident will prevent Braves pitchers from throwing intentionally at players in the future?
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Harper is still going to get a ball to the back when he struts.
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3 times? And JUpton took longer than Harp to trot around the bases in that game. The saying "what goes around comes around" ringing true here I believe.

Sucks for Heyward, he seems like a good dude.
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So what you're telling me here is that you weren't asking an honest question, you're really just a bitter Nats fan that is secretly glad a Brave just got his jaw shattered. Gotcha.
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Yes on the bitter Nats fan. Braves are certainly the better team.

Heard some Braves fans on the radio today wondering if it was karma visiting the squad. I think I know your answer on that.

 
Braun sincerely apologizes, and of course he didn't know he was cheating:

“Now that the initial MLB investigation is over, I want to apologize for my actions and provide a more specific account of what I did and why I deserved to be suspended. I have no one to blame but myself. I know that over the last year and a half I made some serious mistakes, both in the information I failed to share during my arbitration hearing and the comments I made to the press afterwards.

“I have disappointed the people closest to me — the ones who fought for me because they truly believed me all along. I kept the truth from everyone. For a long time, I was in denial and convinced myself that I had not done anything wrong.

“It is important that people understand that I did not share details of what happened with anyone until recently. My family, my teammates, the Brewers organization, my friends, agents, and advisors had no knowledge of these facts, and no one should be blamed but me. Those who put their necks out for me have been embarrassed by my behavior. I don't have the words to express how sorry I am for that.

“Here is what happened. During the latter part of the 2011 season, I was dealing with a nagging injury and I turned to products for a short period of time that I shouldn't have used. The products were a cream and a lozenge which I was told could help expedite my rehabilitation. It was a huge mistake for which I am deeply ashamed and I compounded the situation by not admitting my mistakes immediately.

“I deeply regret many of the things I said at the press conference after the arbitrator's decision in February 2012. At that time, I still didn't want to believe that I had used a banned substance. I think a combination of feeling self-righteous and having a lot of unjustified anger led me to react the way I did. I felt wronged and attacked, but looking back now, I was the one who was wrong. I am beyond embarrassed that I said what I thought I needed to say to defend my clouded vision of reality. I am just starting the process of trying to understand why I responded the way I did, which I continue to regret. There is no excuse for any of this.

“For too long during this process, I convinced myself that I had not done anything wrong. After my interview with MLB in late June of this year, I came to the realization that it was time to come to grips with the truth. I was never presented with baseball's evidence against me, but I didn't need to be, because I knew what I had done. I realized the magnitude of my poor decisions and finally focused on dealing with the realities of-and the punishment for-my actions.

“I requested a second meeting with Baseball to acknowledge my violation of the drug policy and to engage in discussions about appropriate punishment for my actions. By coming forward when I did and waiving my right to appeal any sanctions that were going to be imposed, I knew I was making the correct decision and taking the first step in the right direction. It was important to me to begin my suspension immediately to minimize the burden on everyone I had so negatively affected — my teammates, the entire Brewers organization, the fans and all of MLB. There has been plenty of rumor and speculation about my situation, and I am aware that my admission may result in additional attacks and accusations from others.

“I love the great game of baseball and I am very sorry for any damage done to the game. I have privately expressed my apologies to Commissioner Selig and Rob Manfred of MLB and to Michael Weiner and his staff at the Players' Association. I'm very grateful for the support I've received from them. I sincerely apologize to everybody involved in the arbitration process, including the collector, Dino Laurenzi, Jr. I feel terrible that I put my teammates in a position where they were asked some very difficult and uncomfortable questions. One of my primary goals is to make amends with them.

“I understand it’s a blessing and a tremendous honor to play this game at the Major League level. I also understand the intensity of the disappointment from teammates, fans, and other players. When it comes to both my actions and my words, I made some very serious mistakes and I can only ask for the forgiveness of everyone I let down. I will never make the same errors again and I intend to share the lessons I learned with others so they don’t repeat my mistakes. Moving forward, I want to be part of the solution and no longer part of the problem.

“I support baseball’s Joint Drug Treatment and Prevention Program and the importance of cleaning up the game. What I did goes against everything I have always valued — achieving through hard work and dedication, and being honest both on and off the field. I also understand that I will now have to work very, very hard to begin to earn back people's trust and support. I am dedicated to making amends and to earning back the trust of my teammates, the fans, the entire Brewers' organization, my sponsors, advisors and from MLB. I am hopeful that I can earn back the trust from those who I have disappointed and those who are willing to give me the opportunity. I am deeply sorry for my actions, and I apologize to everyone who has been adversely affected by them.”
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