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***Official MLB 2013 Season Thread (2 Viewers)

There should be a suspension or two for the kind of #### they pulled. Weak ### reed Johnson has gotta get a game or two for throwing the only punch. McCann should also get one for being a doosh and blocking the baseline. Like Tobias said, I;m not sure I have ever seen someone do that before.

 
I have a cardinals buddy who's running his mouth at the all star break, and now just started running it again. I was merely addressing the Cards feasting on weak competition (in comparison to Boston).

I ran some numbers at the all star break and then ran them again now. I didn't go back and re-run the all star break numbers based on final records.. yada yada... In the 1st half of the season there were quite a few .500 teams that were held out. Both boston and stl were ~50/50 vs .500 teams if you care.

ST LOUIS (At All Star Break)
VS +.500 TEAMS: 15-15
VS -.500 TEAMS: 38-17

ST LOUIS (Post All Star Break)
VS +.500 TEAMS: 16-19
VS -.500 TEAMS: 18-9

ST LOUIS (For the Year)
VS +.500 TEAMS: 31-34
VS -.500 TEAMS: 56-26

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BOSTON (Pre All-Star Break)
VS +.500 TEAMS: 31-21
VS -.500 TEAMS: 25-16

BOSTON (Post All-Star Break)
VS +.500 TEAMS: 25-16
VS -.500 TEAMS: 14-6

BOSTON (For 2013 Season)
VS +.500 TEAMS: 56-37
VS -.500 TEAMS: 39-22

Started off as a way to bust my buddies balls, but IMO it bodes very poorly for Cardinals chances in the playoffs despite having a very good regular season record. May fade the Cards in post season. Not sure.

Curious what other stats guys who know much more than me think of this occurrence...

 
What happens in April helps determine whether a team makes the playoffs or not. It doesn't matter that much when you get to a short series in October.

 
Eephus said:
What happens in April helps determine whether a team makes the playoffs or not. It doesn't matter that much when you get to a short series in October.
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I agree, but I'd be interested in seeing data on how a team fares vs +.500 competition (admittedly arbitrary determination of "good" teams) and correlation to success in postseason (where a team is more likely to face "good" teams.

Just seems someone like the cards with a losing record against +.500 teams would indicate a weaker squad than their 94+ win season might project. :shrug:

 
Agreed re;Cano.

JayZ just trying to launch his biz with a mega deal. Cano ain't getting 10 years at 30 years old... at least not 10 years at anywhere near $30MM :lol:

 
You could hear someone yell "Lets go, run ... get moving" or something like that. Not sure who it was, but I have to think it was either McCann or Maholm.

As a Braves fan, I like the boys getting fired up like that. I would rather have them cross the line too much and start too many fights than sit around like some teams and not protect their players. I head Eddie and Tracy talking on the radio just the other day about someone needs to start a good fight for the reds to get the team going again.

 
Eephus said:
What happens in April helps determine whether a team makes the playoffs or not. It doesn't matter that much when you get to a short series in October.
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I have a cardinals buddy who's running his mouth at the all star break, and now just started running it again. I was merely addressing the Cards feasting on weak competition (in comparison to Boston).

I ran some numbers at the all star break and then ran them again now. I didn't go back and re-run the all star break numbers based on final records.. yada yada... In the 1st half of the season there were quite a few .500 teams that were held out. Both boston and stl were ~50/50 vs .500 teams if you care.

ST LOUIS (At All Star Break)

VS +.500 TEAMS: 15-15

VS -.500 TEAMS: 38-17

ST LOUIS (Post All Star Break)

VS +.500 TEAMS: 16-19

VS -.500 TEAMS: 18-9

ST LOUIS (For the Year)

VS +.500 TEAMS: 31-34

VS -.500 TEAMS: 56-26

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BOSTON (Pre All-Star Break)

VS +.500 TEAMS: 31-21

VS -.500 TEAMS: 25-16

BOSTON (Post All-Star Break)

VS +.500 TEAMS: 25-16

VS -.500 TEAMS: 14-6

BOSTON (For 2013 Season)

VS +.500 TEAMS: 56-37

VS -.500 TEAMS: 39-22

Started off as a way to bust my buddies balls, but IMO it bodes very poorly for Cardinals chances in the playoffs despite having a very good regular season record. May fade the Cards in post season. Not sure.

Curious what other stats guys who know much more than me think of this occurrence...
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I don't make much of it. Playoffs are just too small a sample size, and .500 is sort of an arbitrary dividing line (sweeping the Giants isn't exactly the same as sweeping the Astros), and it's not like it's easy to dominate the under .500 teams like the Cardinals have. Those games say as much about the quality of their team as their games against over .500 teams.

Sure, the playoff teams are all over .500. But I could give you other playoff-relevant stats that make the Cardinals look like world-beaters if you want. Consider what happens to their already impressive record and run differential if you remove Jake Westbrook's starts, a guy who won't be getting the ball in the postseason. Or take out those blown saves from Mitchell Boggs, a guy who has since gotten the boot.

 
Yahoo Sports reporting that Selig is retiring.

ETA:

Jon Heyman‏@JonHeymanCBS8s

Bud Selig will today announce formally he's retiring, effective in January 2015

 
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[icon] said:
Eephus said:
What happens in April helps determine whether a team makes the playoffs or not. It doesn't matter that much when you get to a short series in October.
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I agree, but I'd be interested in seeing data on how a team fares vs +.500 competition (admittedly arbitrary determination of "good" teams) and correlation to success in postseason (where a team is more likely to face "good" teams.

Just seems someone like the cards with a losing record against +.500 teams would indicate a weaker squad than their 94+ win season might project. :shrug:
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Eh, my guess would be that it wouldn't matter. Postseason is a crapshoot. Defense wins championships. Offense wins championships. Pitching wins championships. Whatever. The narrative changes every year.

These guys play 162 games and end up with the top teams within 2-3 games of each other. The hard part is making the playoffs. Once you're there anything can happen. That's why I don't get on board with the folks here in Detroit that say World Series or bust. You make it and take your changes. That's all a fan should really expect.

 
How awesome would it be if the Braves/Pirates played in the NLCS and the Braves beat them in the 7th game again...

F'n awesome for sure!

 
collective said:
How awesome would it be if the Braves/Pirates played in the NLCS and the Braves beat them in the 7th game again...

F'n awesome for sure!
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I think most baseball fans are rooting for a Braves-Dodgers NLDS in which Yasiel Puig hits a walkoff HR in Game 5, flips his bat into the Atlanta dugout, pulls down his pants, and hangs his bare ### out at Brian McCann as he walks as slowly as possible to first base. Or maybe that's just me.

 
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Eephus said:
Exhibit A: 2006 Cardinals

Exhibit B: 2001 Mariners
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To be fair to the '06 Cardinals, they were actually a pretty decent team for most of the season before hitting a major swoon late in the year. They were extremely fortunate to regroup, get a little healthier and make a run in the playoffs... but I still contend they were a little better team than their end of season record showed.

ETA: Most of the major parts were still there from the '04 World Series team, which was a very good team.

 
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RnR said:
Eephus said:
Exhibit A: 2006 Cardinals

Exhibit B: 2001 Mariners
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To be fair to the '06 Cardinals, they were actually a pretty decent team for most of the season before hitting a major swoon late in the year. They were extremely fortunate to regroup, get a little healthier and make a run in the playoffs... but I still contend they were a little better team than their end of season record showed.

ETA: Most of the major parts were still there from the '04 World Series team, which was a very good team.
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I didn't say they weren't a good team. They proved that in Oct 2006.

My point was that regular season W-L records don't mean much in a short playoff series.

 
Raider Nation said:
Dickie Dunn said:
Raider Nation said:
Andy and Jeet make the pitching change.
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:thumbup:

And thank God Michael Kay was calling the game for YES and not Sterling and Waldman.
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He's not much better, but by default.... yeah.

And now in honor of that comment, Michael Kay will read six obscure stats which nobody could possibly care about.
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He had the good sense to stay out of the way and let the moment speak for itself. I can't say for sure the other two clowns would have been able to do it.

(Radio is different: Not like they can have five minutes of silence on the air, although I'm sure many Yankees fans would welcome that.)

 
collective said:
the moops said:
collective said:
E-Z Glider said:
The fact that people are defending Carlos Gomez over the Braves says a lot. They're a tough team to like.
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No they aren't.
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:shrug: Seems like most here dont like them.
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Because of their success since 1991. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't much hatred for them since in the last 2000s since they weren't in the playoffs.
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They are so unliked that even their fans don't show up to playoff games.

 
collective said:
the moops said:
collective said:
E-Z Glider said:
The fact that people are defending Carlos Gomez over the Braves says a lot. They're a tough team to like.
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No they aren't.
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:shrug: Seems like most here dont like them.
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Because of their success since 1991. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't much hatred for them since in the last 2000s since they weren't in the playoffs.
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I just think they've been ##### this season. Never disliked them before.

 
I guess they deserve some good fortune after a hundred collective sports years of misery, but Cleveland is basically getting a free ride into the playoffs.

 
Peter Gammons said on Chicago radio that the Cubs will probably fire Dale Sveum, and the two names on the short list for replacement are Joe Girardi and Brad Ausmus.

Girardi's asking price will be north of 3M per year, which will be a big deal.

Ausmus interviewed for the Boston job last year, and supposedly impressed everyone with his knowledge, his demeanor, and his all-around astuteness about the game.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Peter Gammons said on Chicago radio that the Cubs will probably fire Dale Sveum, and the two names on the short list for replacement are Joe Girardi and Brad Ausmus.

Girardi's asking price will be north of 3M per year, which will be a big deal.

Ausmus interviewed for the Boston job last year, and supposedly impressed everyone with his knowledge, his demeanor, and his all-around astuteness about the game.
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I think Ausmus would be the first Jewish manager since Larry Rothschild helmed the expansion Devil Rays

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Peter Gammons said on Chicago radio that the Cubs will probably fire Dale Sveum, and the two names on the short list for replacement are Joe Girardi and Brad Ausmus.

Girardi's asking price will be north of 3M per year, which will be a big deal.

Ausmus interviewed for the Boston job last year, and supposedly impressed everyone with his knowledge, his demeanor, and his all-around astuteness about the game.
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I'd love to have Girardi. This team needs a veteran manager. Girardi is a hometown guy and has a lot of family in the area. I think it's a good fit and it'll probably happen.

 
5yr, 90m deal for pence. At first i thought that was too much but then i looked at his stats this year and didnt realize how good of a year he had. Plus hes consistent every year, hits in the middle of the order, and plays good defense. Great deal by the giants. Gotta figure granderson gets something close to that (although hell probably make less cuz of his low avg and poor defense.

 
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5yr, 90m deal for pence. At first i thought that was too much but then i looked at his stats this year and didnt realize how good of a year he had. Plus hes consistent every year, hits in the middle of the order, and plays good defense. Great deal by the giants. Gotta figure granderson gets something close to that (although hell probably make less cuz of his low avg and poor defense.
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He's streaky but he plays every day and produces in an extreme pitchers' park.

RN would love the guy. Pence swings hard every time and runs like his hair is on fire.

 
On my phone but curious. Can someone run through the wildcard tiebreakers? Looking like cle will be 1 game up on both TB and TEX after today

 
On my phone but curious. Can someone run through the wildcard tiebreakers? Looking like cle will be 1 game up on both TB and TEX after today

 
shadyridr said:
5yr, 90m deal for pence. At first i thought that was too much but then i looked at his stats this year and didnt realize how good of a year he had. Plus hes consistent every year, hits in the middle of the order, and plays good defense. Great deal by the giants. Gotta figure granderson gets something close to that (although hell probably make less cuz of his low avg and poor defense.
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Pence is one of those guys who you think is great until you have him on your team. After watching him for a year in Philly, albeit one of his worst statistical seasons, he is very frustrating. Maybe it has gotten better in SF and his numbers are better, but he was seemingly the king of meaningless stats. Didn't produce when needed but when you looked at his stats, they were solid so you couldn't complain too much.

His defense appears to be good b/c he tries so hard but he is actually pretty poor at defense. Weak arm and takes terrible routes. His defensive WAR backs this up. If Giants fans are happy with him, so be it but Philly fans were glad to get rid of him and get something in return. I know it was a legitimate question of whether they would offer him arbitration even if they kept him last year b/c he wasn't worth the $13 million he was going to get.

 
Mushnick:

We will give Bud Selig this: His 21-years as Commissioner of Major League Baseball have been free of all pretenses. He early and often made it clear that he would not serve as a genuine, true-to-the-title Commissioner.

A man who would ceaselessly and firmly serve the best interests of The Game — everyone’s best interests — more easily could be found waiting for a bus or a royal flush.

From his start, Selig demonstrated that the only best interests worth serving were those of his enablers — the teams’ owners. And the only serviceable interests they demanded is that he pad their bottom lines or, for the newer owners, service their inflated buy-in debt.

To that exclusive interest, Selig was a superstar.

That he’s retiring after next season presents team owners with the opportunity to select someone with Selig’s sense of selective, tapered allegiance and commitment. Both the idea and ideal of a Commissioner who would grant The Game and its fans any loftier regard than disregard is now out of the question.

Selig met the terms of his $15 million per engagement. The next Commissioner will be expected to toe the same mark.

There’s so much to choose from as representative of Selig’s negligent tenure. That there still is an on-going drugs scandal that Selig’s money-first mandate helped cause and sustain — his absurd claims to have pulled The Game from the PED abyss, to the contrary — is the most onerous and obvious.

But he also is responsible, at least in title, for the standardization of the illogical, the unfriendly and even the misanthropic. The ripped-off fan became the common fan; the sucker MLB’s best customer.

Consider that on Selig’s watch the three-hour rain delay was introduced then systematized. Same with fabricated “convenience fee” and other tack-on ticket charges. A real Commissioner would have protected Baseball’s customers from such victimization.

For the just plain illogical, Selig allowed Eastern Time Zone Sunday games to begin on — and to be changed to — 8:05 p.m. That’s now the traditional starting times of Sunday Yankees-Red Sox games.

That the games’ tickets were sold as 1 p. m. starts didn’t matter. That many were sold as family and kids’ promotional afternoon games didn’t matter. That busloads of fans had purchased tickets, months in advance, for faraway community excursions — ticket purchases suddenly rendered useless — didn’t matter.

That kids had school the next morning and parents had work? Didn’t matter. That the games often ended after midnight? Didn’t matter. Hell, it didn’t even matter if people — baseball fans — watched these games or had, naturally, fallen asleep.

What mattered was TV money, ESPN’s money.

Selig approved interleague baseball, framing it as a “gift to the fans,” then allowed team owners to whack up the cost of those games’ tickets. Interleague play, now quickly and inevitably played out, always was a gift to the owners.

Even after Barry Bonds was exposed as a BALCO cheat — and after Selig began to reinvent himself as a drug-sniffing police hound — he allowed teams to jack up ticket prices when Bonds hit town.

Selig even sold four seasons of MLB openers — once traditionally played in Cincinnati, home to MLB’s oldest team— to companies in Japan. First pitch from Tokyo on ESPN, 4:30 a.m.

And he had the colossal gall to claim that he personally checked ticket pricing at new Yankee Stadium to find that the media had exaggerated the truth, insisting that the tickets are “affordable.” He couldn’t see — or didn’t care— that all those thousands of up-close seats would go empty, postseason, too, because of their obscene pricing?

But it never was Bud Selig’s job to see. He was assigned to sell Baseball’s soul — its good name and good faith — to the highest bidder. And he did a fabulous job of that.

And the next Commissioner, I fully suspect, won’t be hired to be the Commissioner, but to be the next Bud Selig.
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Raider Nation said:
Mushnick:

We will give Bud Selig this: His 21-years as Commissioner of Major League Baseball have been free of all pretenses. He early and often made it clear that he would not serve as a genuine, true-to-the-title Commissioner.

A man who would ceaselessly and firmly serve the best interests of The Game — everyone’s best interests — more easily could be found waiting for a bus or a royal flush.

From his start, Selig demonstrated that the only best interests worth serving were those of his enablers — the teams’ owners. And the only serviceable interests they demanded is that he pad their bottom lines or, for the newer owners, service their inflated buy-in debt.

To that exclusive interest, Selig was a superstar.

That he’s retiring after next season presents team owners with the opportunity to select someone with Selig’s sense of selective, tapered allegiance and commitment. Both the idea and ideal of a Commissioner who would grant The Game and its fans any loftier regard than disregard is now out of the question.

Selig met the terms of his $15 million per engagement. The next Commissioner will be expected to toe the same mark.

There’s so much to choose from as representative of Selig’s negligent tenure. That there still is an on-going drugs scandal that Selig’s money-first mandate helped cause and sustain — his absurd claims to have pulled The Game from the PED abyss, to the contrary — is the most onerous and obvious.

But he also is responsible, at least in title, for the standardization of the illogical, the unfriendly and even the misanthropic. The ripped-off fan became the common fan; the sucker MLB’s best customer.

Consider that on Selig’s watch the three-hour rain delay was introduced then systematized. Same with fabricated “convenience fee” and other tack-on ticket charges. A real Commissioner would have protected Baseball’s customers from such victimization.

For the just plain illogical, Selig allowed Eastern Time Zone Sunday games to begin on — and to be changed to — 8:05 p.m. That’s now the traditional starting times of Sunday Yankees-Red Sox games.

That the games’ tickets were sold as 1 p. m. starts didn’t matter. That many were sold as family and kids’ promotional afternoon games didn’t matter. That busloads of fans had purchased tickets, months in advance, for faraway community excursions — ticket purchases suddenly rendered useless — didn’t matter.

That kids had school the next morning and parents had work? Didn’t matter. That the games often ended after midnight? Didn’t matter. Hell, it didn’t even matter if people — baseball fans — watched these games or had, naturally, fallen asleep.

What mattered was TV money, ESPN’s money.

Selig approved interleague baseball, framing it as a “gift to the fans,” then allowed team owners to whack up the cost of those games’ tickets. Interleague play, now quickly and inevitably played out, always was a gift to the owners.

Even after Barry Bonds was exposed as a BALCO cheat — and after Selig began to reinvent himself as a drug-sniffing police hound — he allowed teams to jack up ticket prices when Bonds hit town.

Selig even sold four seasons of MLB openers — once traditionally played in Cincinnati, home to MLB’s oldest team— to companies in Japan. First pitch from Tokyo on ESPN, 4:30 a.m.

And he had the colossal gall to claim that he personally checked ticket pricing at new Yankee Stadium to find that the media had exaggerated the truth, insisting that the tickets are “affordable.” He couldn’t see — or didn’t care— that all those thousands of up-close seats would go empty, postseason, too, because of their obscene pricing?

But it never was Bud Selig’s job to see. He was assigned to sell Baseball’s soul — its good name and good faith — to the highest bidder. And he did a fabulous job of that.

And the next Commissioner, I fully suspect, won’t be hired to be the Commissioner, but to be the next Bud Selig.
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you can replace bud selig with roger goodell in that article and it would be the exact same thing.
 
Andy Petitte with his first complete game since 2006 to end his career. Also, it means that he will never have had a losing season in 18 years. That's pretty impressive.

Also re: Pence - I always liked him :shrug: I'm kinda surprised San Fran reupped him for that kind of contract. He's not a sabrematician's dream, that's for sure.

But I think he's a guy you want on your team. He always plays hard, probably swings too much, but he has a knack for getting big hits. He's not a centerpiece of the team kind of guy, but I think he's a great complimentary piece. He'll give you about a .300 average, 25 hr's, 90 rbi's, 15-20 steals and he'll play every day. I root for Pence and glad he got that contract on a good club and got out of Houston.

 
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