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***Official National Signing Day thread*** (3 Viewers)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
One of the benefits of being a GT fan - I don't have to follow this nonsense. I know we aren't in contention for any highly ranked players.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
I don't know what it's called, but he used that rule that if they enrolled early they could count against last year's total...is that grayshirting? They had less than 20 in last year's class if I remember correctly.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Then I am not aware of any grayshirts on this team. I'm not a big fan of how some of the late shenanigans went down and the parting of ways so late in the process, but that wasn't grayshirting.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Gray shirt has nothing to do with the previous year but rather the next. Kid basically doesn't enroll until next January and their eligibility doesn't begin until then. Basically the schools who can pick whatever recruit they want do it to 3-stars so they don't count against their scholarship cap this year.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Had to go look it up and learned there is also a blueshirtGray shirt has nothing to do with the previous year but rather the next. Kid basically doesn't enroll until next January and their eligibility doesn't begin until then. Basically the schools who can pick whatever recruit they want do it to 3-stars so they don't count against their scholarship cap this year.
Seriously....WTF is wrong with the NCAA??
The Commish
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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Hoke had the #5 and the #7 recruiting classes in 2012 and 2013, RichRod had two top ten recruiting classes also.
This is exactly the reason I don't blink an eye at any of this recruiting nonsense. As long as you're in the top 30 or so, it rarely matters.
whoknew
Footballguy
That's not true. There's not a big difference between 1 and 7, but there's a huge difference between 5 and 25.
Doctor Detroit
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No, no there isn't. Try and prove me wrong.
If you want we can start with ESPN 300 players who were All NFL this year.
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Doctor Detroit
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Exhibit A: Sparty
Doctor Detroit
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Exhibit B: UT (Texas)
Doctor Detroit
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Exhibit C: Michigan
Doctor Detroit
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Exhibit D: Baylor
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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whoknew
Footballguy
There're a million studies on how generally accurate recruiting rankings are, but here's the latest article:No, no there isn't. Try and prove me wrong.
If you want we can start with ESPN 300 players who were All NFL this year.
Debunking Recruiting Myths
Doctor Detroit
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That article says finishing in the top 20 is crucial, yet you seem to believe there is a huge gap between 5 and 25. There isn't. Look at the right side of that graph where MSU, Baylor, and Stanford are...and where Texas, Michigan, and USC aren't. I'm not saying the rankings are meaningless, I'm saying you thinking Michigan's #5 ranking this year is in any way special or unique, well it isn't. They finish top ten all the time, so does Notre Dame and Texas. What matters is that you have the administration, the support, and the coaching to make that product work on the field.There're a million studies on how generally accurate recruiting rankings are, but here's the latest article:No, no there isn't. Try and prove me wrong.
If you want we can start with ESPN 300 players who were All NFL this year.
Debunking Recruiting Myths
Doctor Detroit
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Also 
at "a million studies."
Hilarious, well played.
at "a million studies."Hilarious, well played.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Florida, #7 on the left, nowhere to be found on the right. Enjoy Gamecock fans!
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Imagine what he could do at Ole Miss!
I live is MS and I'm a casual observer at best; can't believe that Ole Miss has become a recruiting juggernaut. Granted the local recruiting ground is fertile, but still, statewide fandom runs about 2-1 in favor of Miss St. I'm guessing wildly that Archie Manning has a little sway in all of this.
Capella
Footballguy
Love ya dr d but a top-30 class is
You are not winning a national title without multiple top-10 classes throughout a recruiting cycle.
http://www.sbnation.com/a/college-football-preview-2015/blue-chip-ratio
Look at the last 10 years and you only see 2010 Auburn and 2014 Ohio state (who was at 11) with a recruiting class outside the top-10 over 4 years. Auburn of course had a transcendent player.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/top-ten-signing-classes-are-necessary-for-national-titles-020515
if you aren't in the top-10 consistently you aren't winning a national title.
You are not winning a national title without multiple top-10 classes throughout a recruiting cycle.
http://www.sbnation.com/a/college-football-preview-2015/blue-chip-ratio
Look at the last 10 years and you only see 2010 Auburn and 2014 Ohio state (who was at 11) with a recruiting class outside the top-10 over 4 years. Auburn of course had a transcendent player.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/top-ten-signing-classes-are-necessary-for-national-titles-020515
if you aren't in the top-10 consistently you aren't winning a national title.
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gump
Footballguy
Didn't follow it closely, but wasn't there a kid or two Harbaugh asked to push a semester who got mad and de-committed? That's usually what happens and outsiders who don't understand it get bent out of shape.
My point is, the level of complaining about things like that and # of signees shows people understand what it takes to manage a roster in today's world. It's not just Nick Satan doing it. And thank god we don't have to listen to any rhetoric from Delaney.
The Commish
Footballguy
There was a kid, forget his name, who was offered a grayshirt (either this year or last) right out of the gate and he chose to go elsewhere. Some of the decommits this year saw the writing on the wall, a couple left with relatively sour grapes, but apparently didn't hold up their end of the bargain. That Swensen kid decided not to camp for this staff and relied on his senior tape as his evaluation. The staff didn't like the lack of improvement, so they parted ways. I wasn't a big fan of how it looked initially. Don't think any of them were offered scholarships then flipped to grayshirt offers though.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
19 of last 20 national champs had two top ten classes in previous four years. Recruiting absolutely matters.
Quez
Footballguy
So what does the kid do for a year? Do they go to a community college? Can they practice with the team?Gray shirt has nothing to do with the previous year but rather the next. Kid basically doesn't enroll until next January and their eligibility doesn't begin until then. Basically the schools who can pick whatever recruit they want do it to 3-stars so they don't count against their scholarship cap this year.
The Commish
Footballguy
apparently grayshirts cannot practice with the team, but they are enrolled in school. blueshirts however, can practice with the teamSo what does the kid do for a year? Do they go to a community college? Can they practice with the team?Gray shirt has nothing to do with the previous year but rather the next. Kid basically doesn't enroll until next January and their eligibility doesn't begin until then. Basically the schools who can pick whatever recruit they want do it to 3-stars so they don't count against their scholarship cap this year.
derek245583
Footballguy
If Boss had committed they would have had to greyshirt someone, he didn't and so they didn't have to.
gump
Footballguy
Train for a semester...often greyshirts are coming off injury. Work. Enroll on your own dime if you can afford it. It's a semester, not a year.So what does the kid do for a year? Do they go to a community college? Can they practice with the team?Gray shirt has nothing to do with the previous year but rather the next. Kid basically doesn't enroll until next January and their eligibility doesn't begin until then. Basically the schools who can pick whatever recruit they want do it to 3-stars so they don't count against their scholarship cap this year.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Whole thing is dumb. They should stick to sign 25 per year period.apparently grayshirts cannot practice with the team, but they are enrolled in school. blueshirts however, can practice with the teamSo what does the kid do for a year? Do they go to a community college? Can they practice with the team?Gray shirt has nothing to do with the previous year but rather the next. Kid basically doesn't enroll until next January and their eligibility doesn't begin until then. Basically the schools who can pick whatever recruit they want do it to 3-stars so they don't count against their scholarship cap this year.
The Commish
Footballguy
derek245583
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
yeah....those two came out of the blue or I wasn't paying attention. Why would thy have had to grayshirt him? Of the class, 7 count towards last year. There should have been plenty of room under the 28.
Sorry if stupid question, but I really have no idea how how this nonsense works. I tend to agree with RW that it should be X players per year, period.
derek245583
Footballguy
Over the 85 total scholliesyeah....those two came out of the blue or I wasn't paying attention. Why would thy have had to grayshirt him? Of the class, 7 count towards last year. There should have been plenty of room under the 28.
There is a yearly cap and a total cap. Gotta abide by both
The Commish
Footballguy
Hackett (former Michigan AD) is suggesting Gary was offered "incentives" during recruiting. He had officials to Ole Miss, USC, Auburn, Clemson....was down to Michigan and Clemson. 
The Commish
Footballguy
ah....gotcha. Good thing the other QB that was suppose to be a "silent commit" didn't sign tooOver the 85 total scholliesyeah....those two came out of the blue or I wasn't paying attention. Why would thy have had to grayshirt him? Of the class, 7 count towards last year. There should have been plenty of room under the 28.
There is a yearly cap and a total cap. Gotta abide by both
RUSF18
Footballguy
You guys are really doing a nice job putting a target on your back.Hackett (former Michigan AD) is suggesting Gary was offered "incentives" during recruiting. He had officials to Ole Miss, USC, Auburn, Clemson....was down to Michigan and Clemson.
And of course he was. The #1 player in the country is never free.
Doctor Detroit
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Who said any different? Did Yellowjackets break top 50 this year, or are they just gonna shut down the program at this point?
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