jurb26
Footballguy
NO threw it 669 times last year. If they throw 625 times, that would have ranked them 5th. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/passingAttempts
Personally, I'm projecting them to throw it 609 times this year.
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Personally, I'm projecting them to throw it 609 times this year.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Somewhere I read (and I may have even posted it here) that the Saints have already pretty much determined they are not moving Strief to guard.FWIW, Fantasy Football Index magazine, in their Offensive Line rankings, has Zach Strief moving to left guard and Peat starting from game 1 at right tackle. I don't think they have a source for that role change for Strief ... FFI must go by a rough theory of "teams put their best five OL on the field and figure out positions later".
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Does anyone ever ask these questions about Manning and Brady?
Brady did have a serious slowdown when he lost most of his receiving corps a couple years ago, that's what I see being the major hangup for Brees. In 2006 the Payton Saints were just getting their feet wet and they had Deuce McAllister. In 2009 they were jumping all over teams and then just running out the clock with leads. I don't see either factor happening this year unless they give a major share to Robinson to add onto Ingram and I don't think that will happen, Spiller will be in the game and that will mean passing. Again though the problem is losing 5 of his top 7 receivers (Graham, Sproles, Moore, Stills, Cadet) in the last 2 years. I think the pass game starts slowly and then picks up as the group gels. I'd project 620+ passes & 35 TDs.
saintfool
Dead sexy
No way, no how Strief gets moved to OG. He knows he's going to step aside at some point to Peat but not as a rookie. He's played his entire career, I think, at RT following Stinchcomb's retirement.Somewhere I read (and I may have even posted it here) that the Saints have already pretty much determined they are not moving Strief to guard.FWIW, Fantasy Football Index magazine, in their Offensive Line rankings, has Zach Strief moving to left guard and Peat starting from game 1 at right tackle. I don't think they have a source for that role change for Strief ... FFI must go by a rough theory of "teams put their best five OL on the field and figure out positions later".
Does this mean you have a player like Brees pegged for an in-season trade acquisition when the team starts off slowly?
2015 Fantasy Football Draft Prep: New Orleans Saints team outlook
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/story/25254865/fantasy-football-draft-prep-new-orleans-saints-team-outlook
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/story/25254865/fantasy-football-draft-prep-new-orleans-saints-team-outlook
Saints looking to return to their roots after disappointing campaign:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/08/03/new-orleans-saints-training-camp-drew-brees-zach-strief
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/08/03/new-orleans-saints-training-camp-drew-brees-zach-strief
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Why do the Saints keep signing Bengals TEs?
Alex Smith is the third they signed and they tried to get Gresham too. Odd.
Alex Smith is the third they signed and they tried to get Gresham too. Odd.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Old post, but yes correct, I agree. I also wonder what the hell Peat is going to do this year.No way, no how Strief gets moved to OG. He knows he's going to step aside at some point to Peat but not as a rookie. He's played his entire career, I think, at RT following Stinchcomb's retirement.Somewhere I read (and I may have even posted it here) that the Saints have already pretty much determined they are not moving Strief to guard.FWIW, Fantasy Football Index magazine, in their Offensive Line rankings, has Zach Strief moving to left guard and Peat starting from game 1 at right tackle. I don't think they have a source for that role change for Strief ... FFI must go by a rough theory of "teams put their best five OL on the field and figure out positions later".
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Supposedly the Saints had a poor Black & Gold scrimmage today. But to answer the question, yes, folks will immediately start shouting 'decline'. I do think it may take some time to gel.
saintfool
Dead sexy
saintfool
Dead sexy
the defense is going to be further along than the offense. it's same system, mostly the same players (and veterans too) starting on defense.
The Evolution of the Saints Passing Game:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/08/13/nfl-new-orleans-saints-drew-brees-sean-payton-jimmy-graham-trade
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/08/13/nfl-new-orleans-saints-drew-brees-sean-payton-jimmy-graham-trade
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So how're we feeling about this completed offseason?
I sense uneasiness out there. No 5th WR, no 3rd TE, results on Grayson mixed, huge money dumped into Byrd with almost zero return on investment, Lewis hurt, the entire 2014 draft up in smoke except for Cooks. Spiller hurt. Lelito a question mark. Peat a work in progress. Is Peat the backup LT?
I think Palmer is going to lay some TDs on the Saints
I sense uneasiness out there. No 5th WR, no 3rd TE, results on Grayson mixed, huge money dumped into Byrd with almost zero return on investment, Lewis hurt, the entire 2014 draft up in smoke except for Cooks. Spiller hurt. Lelito a question mark. Peat a work in progress. Is Peat the backup LT?
I think Palmer is going to lay some TDs on the Saints
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Welp, last year at this time, everyone thought the Saints would be among the NFC's elite. Going into this season, everyone has run to the opposite side of the boat and are tilting it the other way.
All I know is that Drew Brees dragged Steve Spagnuolo's worst-ever defense to 7 wins. And got a receiving corps with Joe Horn and a bunch of "who's that?" guys to 10 wins and an NFC title berth. Just hoping that Brees gets some help from some unit this season -- even an uptick in special teams would be worth two wins, IMHO.
valhallan
Footballguy
Yeah I don't think they've done anything to improve from last years 7-9 team. Might be a slow, painful descent for Brees.
psychobillies
Footballguy
I try not to take much from preseason, but the tackling was awful again for the most part. I like Delvin Breaux, Anthony and KIkaha, but I can't imagine they are going to change the defense all that much. Offense will be good again. The line looks better than it has in a while, and the RBs are strong. I think Cooks is fixing to go off.
Crappy division, so who knows? 9-7, maybe 10-6.
Crappy division, so who knows? 9-7, maybe 10-6.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i think the offense is going to be wildly uneven. Brees will be fine but we don't have consistency on offense. we'll know what we have later in the season though. will it be in time for a playoff push though?
the defense will be another disaster because of the injuries, i think. Byrd has to get healthy for the backfield to hold up. Vaccarro is not a cover guy so asking him to play FS too much is what got him benched down the stretch. Lewis hurt is a huge problem because he's our best corner and everyone else is a big question mark. the switch to 4-3 is what got Spags fired because we didn't have the personnel to run it. i'm not sure we have it here. Dennis Allen very well could be taking over for Ryan sooner than later if the secondary somehow plays better than expected.
the defense will be another disaster because of the injuries, i think. Byrd has to get healthy for the backfield to hold up. Vaccarro is not a cover guy so asking him to play FS too much is what got him benched down the stretch. Lewis hurt is a huge problem because he's our best corner and everyone else is a big question mark. the switch to 4-3 is what got Spags fired because we didn't have the personnel to run it. i'm not sure we have it here. Dennis Allen very well could be taking over for Ryan sooner than later if the secondary somehow plays better than expected.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The switch to 4-3 ..... we were going to get the Ryan brand defense, pass rushing, turnovers, great DB play, two years ago was pretty good, but please bring back the offense-centric concept, this team bought into too much of the criticism around its style, they seem bound and determined to go run first and defense, when the whole time they have had a great offensive coach and HOF QB operating on moneyball talent.
Brees needs major help. How in the hell does a GM escape criticism in a town like Loomis has? The 2014 draft is a big fat bupkis, except for Cooks. One year later. How is that ok with fans? It's a disaster,, on top of the 2012 disaster, and there was so much offensive talent last year, great WRs, late RBs, it was there. But they have nothing to show for it.... except Cooks. Who could be one of the greatest WRs the Saints have ever had, granted.
Brees needs major help. How in the hell does a GM escape criticism in a town like Loomis has? The 2014 draft is a big fat bupkis, except for Cooks. One year later. How is that ok with fans? It's a disaster,, on top of the 2012 disaster, and there was so much offensive talent last year, great WRs, late RBs, it was there. But they have nothing to show for it.... except Cooks. Who could be one of the greatest WRs the Saints have ever had, granted.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
psychobillies
Footballguy
psychobillies
Footballguy
If we get a little of the Dome Mojo back, who knows? First game will be telling. Breaux has to be as good as advertised, and we have to be able to run against a good D line.
Who's going to the Bucs game next week?
Who's going to the Bucs game next week?
valhallan
Footballguy
Drafting guys is just one half of the equation. Developing them is the other half and we really haven't done that in a long time. Payton floated off his early success with Thomas, Colston and Moore for a lonnnng time. And who have we ever developed on defense? Cam Jordan? The list could fit on a post-it note.
ccanderson
Footballguy
imjackdupp
Footballguy
I'd take it. 10-6 and winning the division would be much better though. I see a possible 8-8 in the future.Ha... 2-14 with two wins against the Falcons is a good year
saintfool
Dead sexy
Week 1 and the dust has settled. A quick review as I saw it...
QB - Brees did pretty well with what was was given to him. He only had one turnover and two sacks but I felt like the Cards scheme kept him at bay.
O-Line - while they only gave up two sacks, I felt that they didn't give him much help. Brees was harassed and kept from having the kind of pocket he needs. They were scrappy in run-blocking even if it wasn't terribly efficient.
WRs - Colston is done. Cooks was mostly invisible but I thought Petersen was on him a lot. Coleman had the TD but dropped a couple. Snead had the big play. Brees was hoping someone would step up.
RB - Both Ingram and Robinson worked hard. Austin Johnson made me long for Mike Karney. I love that Ingram showed he can be a two-way threat in the offense but he also needs more than 9 rushing attempts. Khiry runs hard - almost violently - but I can't wait to see Spiller.
TE - Watson played. Hill was a bust.
On defense, it's a total mess. I love Anthony but we need the rest of the defense healthy. Lewis, Byrd out hurts us a ton every week. Jordan was working hard even if the numbers don't exactly show it. There was a scrappy, hustle attitude to the defense (Breaux and Swann especially) even if it wasn't always good. I think we have to hope that these snaps now will give them experience which can help us during a playoff hunt. I can take growing pains in week 1 against a solid Cardinals team on the road.
Coaching? Same old Payton. Same old Ryan. I wish to god that Payton would turn the playcalling over to someone finally. I understood punting at the end of the game because of the field position but it felt like a give up call.
QB - Brees did pretty well with what was was given to him. He only had one turnover and two sacks but I felt like the Cards scheme kept him at bay.
O-Line - while they only gave up two sacks, I felt that they didn't give him much help. Brees was harassed and kept from having the kind of pocket he needs. They were scrappy in run-blocking even if it wasn't terribly efficient.
WRs - Colston is done. Cooks was mostly invisible but I thought Petersen was on him a lot. Coleman had the TD but dropped a couple. Snead had the big play. Brees was hoping someone would step up.
RB - Both Ingram and Robinson worked hard. Austin Johnson made me long for Mike Karney. I love that Ingram showed he can be a two-way threat in the offense but he also needs more than 9 rushing attempts. Khiry runs hard - almost violently - but I can't wait to see Spiller.
TE - Watson played. Hill was a bust.
On defense, it's a total mess. I love Anthony but we need the rest of the defense healthy. Lewis, Byrd out hurts us a ton every week. Jordan was working hard even if the numbers don't exactly show it. There was a scrappy, hustle attitude to the defense (Breaux and Swann especially) even if it wasn't always good. I think we have to hope that these snaps now will give them experience which can help us during a playoff hunt. I can take growing pains in week 1 against a solid Cardinals team on the road.
Coaching? Same old Payton. Same old Ryan. I wish to god that Payton would turn the playcalling over to someone finally. I understood punting at the end of the game because of the field position but it felt like a give up call.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
So I'm thinking about picking NO in my suicide pool this week versus TB. How does NO usually fair against the Bucs?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Arizona is very, very good. They were going to win the NFCW last year and they could have won HFA in the playoffs. If Palmer had stayed healthy.
The offense needs to gel, but god the lack of drafting at the skill positions. Where are the receivers? Or if we like Coleman and Snead and Watson/Hill, where is the downfield game? I don't buy that Brees is "losing" it, he looks the same to me. We all know his decision making has at times in the past been say risky. I just think he takes fewer chances and the receivers are just not open, if you watch a game in the Dome you can see it plain as day.
So they get rid of Sproles (howya like that Eagles game?), they get rid of Graham, and now they go 1/4 in the red zone and really that Coleman TD was barely a RZ play and took a fantastic effort to get in.
All that being said, I think they gel and get better at home vs the Bucs. If they get better in the RZ let's do the math - it will have to involve Coleman and likely Watson and Hill. Has to.
The offense needs to gel, but god the lack of drafting at the skill positions. Where are the receivers? Or if we like Coleman and Snead and Watson/Hill, where is the downfield game? I don't buy that Brees is "losing" it, he looks the same to me. We all know his decision making has at times in the past been say risky. I just think he takes fewer chances and the receivers are just not open, if you watch a game in the Dome you can see it plain as day.
So they get rid of Sproles (howya like that Eagles game?), they get rid of Graham, and now they go 1/4 in the red zone and really that Coleman TD was barely a RZ play and took a fantastic effort to get in.
All that being said, I think they gel and get better at home vs the Bucs. If they get better in the RZ let's do the math - it will have to involve Coleman and likely Watson and Hill. Has to.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
that was last year. i agree that they are a solid, well-coached team but nothing more than that in week 1. they had a gameplan coming into the game and executed it. they had corners that could matchup without much help from the safeties. that let them play the run and keep it under wraps despite 20 attempts. we need to find playmakers on the offense. Brees can't make players all-pro on his own anymore.
we showed heart, i think, in the game but we need wins too. we need to be in a position to make a playoff run with all of our best players on the field at the same time. Spiller, Lewis, Byrd are potential gamechangers every single week. we'll need them if we're going avert yet another disastrous season.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Last year's team didn't seem to care. Just seemed unimportant to them, and that's one of the reasons why they lost all of those close games in the end. If nothing else, this team seems more motivated. Maybe these guys give a #### again.
That being said, they've got to get better with the pass rush, especially while our secondary is so depleted. I knew AZ has a tough D line, so I'm not overly concerned with the run blocking, but it obviously needs to get better. I really like Anthony.
That being said, they've got to get better with the pass rush, especially while our secondary is so depleted. I knew AZ has a tough D line, so I'm not overly concerned with the run blocking, but it obviously needs to get better. I really like Anthony.
cstu
Footballguy
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
we need to get better at hooking the defenders arm and then falling down to make it look like pass interference like the Cardinals receivers do.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Raphael Bush out for the season. This is getting ridiculous.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
So Coleman had more snaps then Colston week 1. Both listed at starters in a 3WR set.
Looking at the posts here and saintfool proclamation... the consideration is flatly Cooks and Coleman at WR for fantasy purposes?
Looking at the posts here and saintfool proclamation... the consideration is flatly Cooks and Coleman at WR for fantasy purposes?
psychobillies
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
unless joe horn or quinn early come walking through the doors of the superdome somehow...
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think it was somewhere in here or another thread but the point about Colston and the drops was correct, he did it again with that major miss that sealed the game (bounced up for a pick).
saintfool
Dead sexy
i saw that too. his catch% has declined pretty much every year since the superbowl.
imjackdupp
Footballguy
I missed that post I guess so I had to look it up. It seems he's had bad hands every year but 2013. Stickum? Only year he wore gloves?
2014 - 59 receptions on 99 targets with 7 drops. 59.6% catch rate 7.1% drop rate.
2013 - 75 receptions on 110 targets with 1 drop. 68.2% catch rate 0.9% drop rate.
2012 - 83 - 130 - 8 63.8% / 6.2%
2011 - 80 - 107 - 4 74.8% / 3.7%
2010 - 84 - 132 -6 63.6% / 4.6%
2009 - 70 - 106 - 8 66.0% / 7.6%
2014 - 59 receptions on 99 targets with 7 drops. 59.6% catch rate 7.1% drop rate.
2013 - 75 receptions on 110 targets with 1 drop. 68.2% catch rate 0.9% drop rate.
2012 - 83 - 130 - 8 63.8% / 6.2%
2011 - 80 - 107 - 4 74.8% / 3.7%
2010 - 84 - 132 -6 63.6% / 4.6%
2009 - 70 - 106 - 8 66.0% / 7.6%
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Im not sure the saints have a viable red zone target....hoping coleman or hill evolves into that role.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
is this confirmed? I see you posting it in a few threadSo ... are we ready for Life Without Brees?
Doug B
Footballguy
I am personally satisfied that it will be confirmed. That's all I can say, because I have nothing official to go by. I'm getting the info fourth- or fifth-hand myself.is this confirmed? I see you posting it in a few threadSo ... are we ready for Life Without Brees?
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