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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (1 Viewer)

What's the deal with Hamels? Is it just a lack of concentration or does he just not care anymore (now that he's paid)? This team is such a mess and does anyone have faith amaro will fix things?
Considering the lack of run support, I think he may be trying to be too perfect. Doesn't explain last night though, got a 3-0 lead and imploded. Didnt see that game so don't know what happened last night. Dude is in a real bad rut right now.
 
What's the deal with Hamels? Is it just a lack of concentration or does he just not care anymore (now that he's paid)? This team is such a mess and does anyone have faith amaro will fix things?
Considering the lack of run support, I think he may be trying to be too perfect. Doesn't explain last night though, got a 3-0 lead and imploded. Didnt see that game so don't know what happened last night. Dude is in a real bad rut right now.
Lot of fluky hits. Reminded me a lot of Doc's outings towards the beginning of last year or late 2 years ago. Gave up a bunch of seeing eye singles and fly balls hit to the right locations. I think he'll be fine long term but just a tough situation at the moment.

As for RAJ, I guess Montgomery and Co. might let him stay if he implodes the team in a month or two but I absolutely hate him. Other teams probably laugh at us with him. About one of the last teams to have no stats department. Not saying we have to be Billy Beane but a simple Sabermetician could have seen Howard's decline from a mile away.

 
To be fair, before last night, he had quality starts in 8 of 9 outings. He is certainly not living up to the contract yet, but he is getting no run support and could easily be 5-5. First phillies pitcher in 122 years to lose 9 games before the end of May.

 
What's the deal with Hamels? Is it just a lack of concentration or does he just not care anymore (now that he's paid)? This team is such a mess and does anyone have faith amaro will fix things?
Considering the lack of run support, I think he may be trying to be too perfect. Doesn't explain last night though, got a 3-0 lead and imploded. Didnt see that game so don't know what happened last night. Dude is in a real bad rut right now.
Lot of fluky hits. Reminded me a lot of Doc's outings towards the beginning of last year or late 2 years ago. Gave up a bunch of seeing eye singles and fly balls hit to the right locations. I think he'll be fine long term but just a tough situation at the moment. As for RAJ, I guess Montgomery and Co. might let him stay if he implodes the team in a month or two but I absolutely hate him. Other teams probably laugh at us with him. About one of the last teams to have no stats department. Not saying we have to be Billy Beane but a simple Sabermetician could have seen Howard's decline from a mile away.
Yea talk on the radio says he was pouting/angry at the infield hits and seeing eyed singles. Didnt see it but it sounds like he lost his focus and his cool. Not good. Probably mad he finally had some runs and blew it.
 
So uh, Charlie runs with another pitcher, and what happens, he gets picked off. Granted it was a bad call, but I'm thinking he won't be doing this again.

I'd say he should lose his job on this, but it would just be a cumulative thing at this point. Then Howard's spot comes up and he ran for him with Martinez, so the last out is made by Martinez (not that Howard would have been that much better).

 
So uh, Charlie runs with another pitcher, and what happens, he gets picked off. Granted it was a bad call, but I'm thinking he won't be doing this again.I'd say he should lose his job on this, but it would just be a cumulative thing at this point. Then Howard's spot comes up and he ran for him with Martinez, so the last out is made by Martinez (not that Howard would have been that much better).
That was Charlie and Philly all rolled into one. After Kendrick got picked off, I looked to the guy next to me and said "Its a guarantee that Hernandez gets a hit here". Charlie (IMHO) is Reid with a ring. He had his shot, with a good core, its time to move on.
 
In an article by Jon Morosi, he states that Lee has a modified no trade clause, that include "20 teams, and most of the 20 teams are projected trade deadline buyers, including Boston, Yanks, Texas, Baltimore are a few on the list."

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/device/mobile/t/75740174/phils-lee-prepared-for-another-trade.htm?m_n=true
Unfortunately we'll be hovering in this around .500 limbo all year so Ruben won't make any decisive move either way.
Ruben made a pretty decisive move last year. Granted they were 12 games under .500 but they also had hope of getting hot and healthy. This year, they won't really have that hope. Rollins has already alluded to the team being blown up and RAJ has said as much.

Lee has earned the right to pick where he wants to go. I always imagine these guys want to go win a title so I'm not sure if he'd be opposed to moving to a contender and if he wants to stay, then we have an All Star pitcher for the next few years.

 
In an article by Jon Morosi, he states that Lee has a modified no trade clause, that include "20 teams, and most of the 20 teams are projected trade deadline buyers, including Boston, Yanks, Texas, Baltimore are a few on the list."

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/device/mobile/t/75740174/phils-lee-prepared-for-another-trade.htm?m_n=true
Unfortunately we'll be hovering in this around .500 limbo all year so Ruben won't make any decisive move either way.
Ruben made a pretty decisive move last year. Granted they were 12 games under .500 but they also had hope of getting hot and healthy. This year, they won't really have that hope. Rollins has already alluded to the team being blown up and RAJ has said as much.

Lee has earned the right to pick where he wants to go. I always imagine these guys want to go win a title so I'm not sure if he'd be opposed to moving to a contender and if he wants to stay, then we have an All Star pitcher for the next few years.
All depends on how delusional the front office is. If they really think this team can still win a championship as constructed, then the ship is going down with no attempts at replenishment.
 
In an article by Jon Morosi, he states that Lee has a modified no trade clause, that include "20 teams, and most of the 20 teams are projected trade deadline buyers, including Boston, Yanks, Texas, Baltimore are a few on the list."

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/device/mobile/t/75740174/phils-lee-prepared-for-another-trade.htm?m_n=true
Unfortunately we'll be hovering in this around .500 limbo all year so Ruben won't make any decisive move either way.
Ruben made a pretty decisive move last year. Granted they were 12 games under .500 but they also had hope of getting hot and healthy. This year, they won't really have that hope. Rollins has already alluded to the team being blown up and RAJ has said as much.

Lee has earned the right to pick where he wants to go. I always imagine these guys want to go win a title so I'm not sure if he'd be opposed to moving to a contender and if he wants to stay, then we have an All Star pitcher for the next few years.
All depends on how delusional the front office is. If they really think this team can still win a championship as constructed, then the ship is going down with no attempts at replenishment.
The problem is still that extra wildcard gives a lot of teams extra hope. If the Phils have even a fairly hot June and are within 5-6 games of the division or wildcard, I just can't see them being big-time sellers. Despite last year, RAJ has a history of buying big name players. I can't picture this team as a world series contender but in baseball all you have to do is get into the dance. The Phils will have the pitching to give them a shot if they get in.

 
All depends on how delusional the front office is. If they really think this team can still win a championship as constructed, then the ship is going down with no attempts at replenishment.
The problem is still that extra wildcard gives a lot of teams extra hope. If the Phils have even a fairly hot June and are within 5-6 games of the division or wildcard, I just can't see them being big-time sellers. Despite last year, RAJ has a history of buying big name players. I can't picture this team as a world series contender but in baseball all you have to do is get into the dance. The Phils will have the pitching to give them a shot if they get in.
Yeah, it isn't out of the realm of possibility to sneak into the last wild card. Over the last 10 years, the 2nd wild card is pretty much 90 wins. Phils have to play .600 ball to get there. When you think of the runs this team used to go on, it isn't crazy to think about it. And as you mention, if they get back in the race, I wouldn't mind going after a big name for one last shot. Rebuilding is going to be a ##### so if you can open your window even a sliver, might as well do it.

And the MLB playoffs are a crapshoot. Give me Lee in a one game playoff and then hopefully this team learns to produce some runs. They have a ton of contact, slap hitters which have done well recently in October and are starting to steal some bases.

 
In an article by Jon Morosi, he states that Lee has a modified no trade clause, that include "20 teams, and most of the 20 teams are projected trade deadline buyers, including Boston, Yanks, Texas, Baltimore are a few on the list."

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/device/mobile/t/75740174/phils-lee-prepared-for-another-trade.htm?m_n=true
Unfortunately we'll be hovering in this around .500 limbo all year so Ruben won't make any decisive move either way.
Ruben made a pretty decisive move last year. Granted they were 12 games under .500 but they also had hope of getting hot and healthy. This year, they won't really have that hope. Rollins has already alluded to the team being blown up and RAJ has said as much.

Lee has earned the right to pick where he wants to go. I always imagine these guys want to go win a title so I'm not sure if he'd be opposed to moving to a contender and if he wants to stay, then we have an All Star pitcher for the next few years.
All depends on how delusional the front office is. If they really think this team can still win a championship as constructed, then the ship is going down with no attempts at replenishment.
That's what scares the crap out of me.Throwing this out there... would Boston be willing to part with Webster and Bogaerts for Lee? Or is that entirely too much and a pipe dream?

 
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Billy Bats said:
Insein said:
sporthenry said:
Insein said:
Billy Bats said:
In an article by Jon Morosi, he states that Lee has a modified no trade clause, that include "20 teams, and most of the 20 teams are projected trade deadline buyers, including Boston, Yanks, Texas, Baltimore are a few on the list."

http://msn.foxsports.com/topics/device/mobile/t/75740174/phils-lee-prepared-for-another-trade.htm?m_n=true
Unfortunately we'll be hovering in this around .500 limbo all year so Ruben won't make any decisive move either way.
Ruben made a pretty decisive move last year. Granted they were 12 games under .500 but they also had hope of getting hot and healthy. This year, they won't really have that hope. Rollins has already alluded to the team being blown up and RAJ has said as much.

Lee has earned the right to pick where he wants to go. I always imagine these guys want to go win a title so I'm not sure if he'd be opposed to moving to a contender and if he wants to stay, then we have an All Star pitcher for the next few years.
All depends on how delusional the front office is. If they really think this team can still win a championship as constructed, then the ship is going down with no attempts at replenishment.
That's what scares the crap out of me.Throwing this out there... would Boston be willing to part with Webster and Bogaerts for Lee? Or is that entirely too much and a pipe dream?
Lee is owed $77.5M for his age 35-37 seasons. 2016 isn't guaranteed but it's a makeable option with a $12.5M buyout if it doesn't vest. That narrows down the number of possible trading partners to teams that are loaded and desparate. I don't think he'll bring even one blue chipper in return unless the Phillies pick up a lot of salary.

The Phillies don't have many trading chips. Utley's expiring deal might bring a low prospect if he's healthy. Maybe Ruiz could be flipped for a bag of peanuts. Papelbon is still good but who would want to pick up $26M worth of closer with almost 500 games of mileage on his arm.

The rest of the team is either overpaid, old, hurt or part of the rebuilding process.

 
Wow E, I figured it wasn't realistic, but Lee couldn't get even grab one grade A prospect in return?? Well then whats the point of even considering it. :kicksrock:

 
Wow E, I figured it wasn't realistic, but Lee couldn't get even grab one grade A prospect in return?? Well then whats the point of even considering it.
Seems open for debate. I think they'd probably get one top prospect for him and if they ate some of his contract, probably get a bit more for him. But then again, I also don't agree with his overview of the trade value for the rest of the team either.A lot will depend on who else is made available. If Price, Headley and Stanton are made available, that drives their price down. But if Lee is far and away the best pitcher, he'll have good value.

Also read that he could be the A-Gon in a similar trade that sees another team eat Howard's contract. I think they'll be smart and won't dump Lee just to dump him. They aren't up against the Luxury Tax and are losing quite a bit of salary this year so if the deal isn't too good to be true, I'll watch him for a few more years.

 
Wow E, I figured it wasn't realistic, but Lee couldn't get even grab one grade A prospect in return?? Well then whats the point of even considering it.
Hanley Ramirez had $30M and two years left on his contract when the Marlins traded him to LA. Lee is a better player but the difference in money remaining in significant.

Ramirez netted Eovaldi who was ranked #96 by Baseball America and Scott McGough who wasn't in either club's top 20 list. McGough is having a decent year in AA and may have a career at some point but both Bogaerts and Webster are more highly regarded prospects than Eovaldi was.

 
Well that was a phantom interference call if I ever saw one.
####### brutal. He's the biggest tool ever.

On a sidenote, Howard is petrified to throw to second. And then I have to listen to Wheeler defend him on it. Bull####, you're making 20m and a professional ####### baseball player, you MUST make that play. It's ####### routine.

 
Well that was a phantom interference call if I ever saw one.
####### brutal. He's the biggest tool ever. On a sidenote, Howard is petrified to throw to second. And then I have to listen to Wheeler defend him on it. Bull####, you're making 20m and a professional ####### baseball player, you MUST make that play. It's ####### routine.
Yeah, it was a brutal call and I was going to give him a pass, then I saw him arguing with Revere pretending to see something that wasn't there.Credit the fans for booing for the whole next inning.And with Howard it is hilarious. The ball always finds him in that situation. His fielding has gotten 100% better but it still sucks. He has been better making that throw and I guess he deserves credit for knowing his limitations but it is pathetic.
 
Bastardo ####### blows. Charlie needs to go. Lets walk a guy, let him steal 3rd when it was painfully obvious what he was going to do, and lose the game.

 
3-7 road trip. I don't think theyre going anywhere.
Its funny, same exact record and GB as last year. 33-37, 8 GB (although 8.5 back of WC instead of 5). But there are just no vibes about this team. Last year, they had some vibes when they get healthy, they might have a chance. This year, just no personality, no interest, no hustle. Just ready to break the team up.

Looks like they'll make it easier to blow it all up.

 
Papelbum with the 4th blown save in the last 5 games. Hopefully he keeps it together enough to get traded. Heard rumors are Detroit or back to Boston. Wonder if they'll have to send money along with him.

 
Papelbum with the 4th blown save in the last 5 games. Hopefully he keeps it together enough to get traded. Heard rumors are Detroit or back to Boston. Wonder if they'll have to send money along with him.
Papelblown has less than a K/inning now and doesnt get ground balls. He sits at 91-93 with all below average offspeed stuff, and he makes a LOT of money. I think a desperate team would take his salary, but I dont expect anything in return. If we want a prospect back, we'll have to eat salary, IMO.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
They have to take 4 of the next 6 games after taking 2 of 3 from Pittsburgh
They're going to go 7-3 on this homestand and then Ruben will think they're buyers. Which honestly is probably a good thing because I do not trust him to be a seller anymore.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
They have to take 4 of the next 6 games after taking 2 of 3 from Pittsburgh
They're going to go 7-3 on this homestand and then Ruben will think they're buyers. Which honestly is probably a good thing because I do not trust him to be a seller anymore.
:goodposting:

Not sure what I trust him with anymore. Yesterday, he was asked about Howard and he said that Howard's been having a lot of trouble with lefties and he needs to get better and he will. What exactly leads us to believe that?

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
They have to take 4 of the next 6 games after taking 2 of 3 from Pittsburgh
They're going to go 7-3 on this homestand and then Ruben will think they're buyers. Which honestly is probably a good thing because I do not trust him to be a seller anymore.
:goodposting:

Not sure what I trust him with anymore. Yesterday, he was asked about Howard and he said that Howard's been having a lot of trouble with lefties and he needs to get better and he will. What exactly leads us to believe that?
Howard hasn't hit lefties his entire career. Why would he be able to hit them now given he's on the decline? Amaro is an absolute patronizing joke. He should be selling this year but won't. Earlier in the season, I thought the team might be competitive but they just have so many holes. They are a .500 team at best and they absolutely need to start replenishing the farm

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
They have to take 4 of the next 6 games after taking 2 of 3 from Pittsburgh
They're going to go 7-3 on this homestand and then Ruben will think they're buyers. Which honestly is probably a good thing because I do not trust him to be a seller anymore.
:goodposting:

Not sure what I trust him with anymore. Yesterday, he was asked about Howard and he said that Howard's been having a lot of trouble with lefties and he needs to get better and he will. What exactly leads us to believe that?
Howard hasn't hit lefties his entire career. Why would he be able to hit them now given he's on the decline? Amaro is an absolute patronizing joke. He should be selling this year but won't. Earlier in the season, I thought the team might be competitive but they just have so many holes. They are a .500 team at best and they absolutely need to start replenishing the farm
The problem is Ruben's track record shows that we can sell and still get nothing to replenish the farm back. We basically got nothing for Victorino and maybe a backup catching prospect for Pence. Lee the first time is a disaster. What can he dow for an encore with Pappelbon, Lee 2.0, Utley and Jimmy? We could be the new Pirates while the Pirates take off.

 
Insein said:
They have to take 4 of the next 6 games after taking 2 of 3 from Pittsburgh
They're going to go 7-3 on this homestand and then Ruben will think they're buyers. Which honestly is probably a good thing because I do not trust him to be a seller anymore.
:goodposting:

Not sure what I trust him with anymore. Yesterday, he was asked about Howard and he said that Howard's been having a lot of trouble with lefties and he needs to get better and he will. What exactly leads us to believe that?
Howard hasn't hit lefties his entire career. Why would he be able to hit them now given he's on the decline? Amaro is an absolute patronizing joke. He should be selling this year but won't. Earlier in the season, I thought the team might be competitive but they just have so many holes. They are a .500 team at best and they absolutely need to start replenishing the farm
The problem is Ruben's track record shows that we can sell and still get nothing to replenish the farm back. We basically got nothing for Victorino and maybe a backup catching prospect for Pence. Lee the first time is a disaster. What can he dow for an encore with Pappelbon, Lee 2.0, Utley and Jimmy? We could be the new Pirates while the Pirates take off.
Well Victorino didn't have a ton of value. He was a free agent at the end of the year and LA didn't get any compensation if he signed elsewhere. Pence was under team control but was/is also being overpaid for his production. The Phillies weren't going anywhere and wanted to get under the luxury tax.

As far as returns, Joseph is more than a backup prospect. He was the #3 prospect in the system and #7 catcher overall entering the year. Yes, he has scuffled a ton this year but his upside is still high. And Ethan Martin entered the season ahead of Pettibone on MLB's prospects rankings. So I'd hardly say they didn't get anything back. I actually think they got quite a bit back for two guys who played like crap last year.

 
Probably should make it 2 runs and it would still be profitable.

Time to get excited for the Nats' series. No Strasburg. Probably will win 3 of 4 or sweep and get everybody all worked up going into the all-star break, then immediately collapse.

 
Probably should make it 2 runs and it would still be profitable.

Time to get excited for the Nats' series. No Strasburg. Probably will win 3 of 4 or sweep and get everybody all worked up going into the all-star break, then immediately collapse.
If they take 3 out of 4 then there wold be plenty of reason to get excited after taking the series against Pittsburgh, Atlanta and then Washington.

With that being said, I'd still be OK dealing Papelbon for some prospects

 
I'm excited to see what this line up can do with Ruf in it. Not so much b/c of Ruf but b/c Howard isn't batting 4th. I know Charlie will just pencil Howard in 4th but with everyone else seemingly starting to produce, I hope it forces Howard down in the order, assuming there isn't a firesale by the time he gets back.

 
Probably should make it 2 runs and it would still be profitable.

Time to get excited for the Nats' series. No Strasburg. Probably will win 3 of 4 or sweep and get everybody all worked up going into the all-star break, then immediately collapse.
If they take 3 out of 4 then there wold be plenty of reason to get excited after taking the series against Pittsburgh, Atlanta and then Washington.

With that being said, I'd still be OK dealing Papelbon for some prospects
They'd win those series then proceed to get swept by the ChiSox. That's just how they roll this year.

With that said I am hoping for some Cardinals-like magic in the second half. We need something to get excited about. Last playoff series for any team was the Flyers Pens in 2012.

 
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