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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (1 Viewer)

Amaro is the master of the "I know we let you go to another team where you played your best years but come play for us when you have nothing left" contract.

 
Grain of salt and all that...

Eskin: I'm told #phillies working on a major trade. Details tonight at 10:50 @FOX29philly news. Will tweet after news.

10:14pm - 12 Nov 13

 
Eskin: #phillies GM Ruben Amaro deep in serious talks w #bluejays to acquire OF Jose Batista. Can also play 3rd. Phils would deal OF Dom Brown plus

10:57pm - 12 Nov 13

:lmao:

 
Long Ball Larry said:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24256812/report-phillies-to-hire-bob-mcclure-as-pitching-coach

Hiring Bob McClure as pitching coach. Doesn't sound too exciting, but who knows.

I definitely would have liked Benedict, and the Pirates gave the Phillies a window to talk to him, but apparently they waited too long to move on him while courting McDowell, and he decided to go back.
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McClure deserves a mulligan for his short stint in Boston. All hands were lost when the USS Valentine sunk.

His six years in Kansas City are more indicative. He had Greinke and Soria but they probably would have been good regardless. Gil Meche had some decent years before getting hurt. McClure should get some credit for Bruce Chen's late career resurrection and for Brian Bannister having a MLB career in spite of D- stuff.

 
That certainly does not make him any more exciting. But I appreciate the info. I hadn't gotten around to looking up when exactly he was with the Royals.

 
Roy Halladay retiring

In other news, Reuben Amaro Jr has to keep looking for a number 4 starter.

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
Insein said:
Roy Halladay retiring

In other news, Reuben Amaro Jr has to keep looking for a number 4 starter.
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And now we're activly shopping Dom Brown....again.

Ruin Tomorrow Jr has to go
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Yea. You don't trade him when you could have added a piece to get a World series in 2009 or 2010 but now that he's shown signs of being a major league player and is one of the only young players you can plug into the lineup, you want to trade him? But oh yea, resign Chase, Jimmy and why not extend Howard for another 4 years. Don't want anyone snatching him away when he hits the market. Never thought I'd long for the days of Ed Wade.

 
Insein said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
Insein said:
Roy Halladay retiring

In other news, Reuben Amaro Jr has to keep looking for a number 4 starter.
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And now we're activly shopping Dom Brown....again.

Ruin Tomorrow Jr has to go
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Yea. You don't trade him when you could have added a piece to get a World series in 2009 or 2010 but now that he's shown signs of being a major league player and is one of the only young players you can plug into the lineup, you want to trade him? But oh yea, resign Chase, Jimmy and why not extend Howard for another 4 years. Don't want anyone snatching him away when he hits the market. Never thought I'd long for the days of Ed Wade.
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Rumor has it that he just gave Roy a 3 yr deal for $45 million, with a player option for the 4th year.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
This idea of trading Lee or Hamels better net Tavares, Bogaerts and Walker or Rube really has completely lost his mind.
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There is no way he can move Lee and get anything close to a good return given the money that's left on his deal. You have to ride Lee out and wait for his arm to go all Halladay

 
The Phillies signed a 25 year local TV deal w/ Comcast for a reported $100M per. At least they can afford their overpaid roster.

 
Billy Bats said:
Insein said:
Eephus said:
The Phillies signed a 25 year local TV deal w/ Comcast for a reported $100M per. At least they can afford their overpaid roster.
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Locked in with Comcast, ugh.
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Seems like the should've gotten a lot more. Did they even let Fox sports make an offer?
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I think you're right, but the total value is a bit higher according to this article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2014/01/03/philadelphia-phillies-land-lucrative-tv-rights-deal-reportedly-worth-2-5-3-billion/

Still, a little less than the Angels and Rangers

 
Billy Bats said:
Insein said:
Eephus said:
The Phillies signed a 25 year local TV deal w/ Comcast for a reported $100M per. At least they can afford their overpaid roster.
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Locked in with Comcast, ugh.
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Seems like the should've gotten a lot more. Did they even let Fox sports make an offer?
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I read on another Phils forum that Fox was not given a chance to bid. I don't care how good this deal is, it could've been better if this is true, Fox hemorrhages money whether you like them or not. Also, someone made a point that the 25% minority interest money is a very good thing, since this apparently is shielded from the MLB revenue sharing pot with other clubs, unlike the broadcast rights revenue.

I guarantee you (speculation) Comcast muscled them into making this deal behind closed doors.

 
Phillies sign P Chad Gaudin to a minor league deal. Beware if you're in a hospital ER.

He pitched well for SF last year as a starter and reliever.

 
Insein said:
They just signed Bobby Abreu to a minor league deal. WTF?
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:no:

I really don't get this signing at all. This has Luis Castillo cut before 162 starts written all over it...I hope.

If this is the game plan, this team is in worse shape that I could have imagined.

 
First ever player/color commentator in Moyer, and first ever player/GM. Might as well finish the three ring circus this team has become. It's embarrassing now.

 
Anyone listen to the Cataldi morning show today? Amaro calls in literally as they're discussing his nomination for "Weasel of the Week" :lmao: Based on his comments today, it appears that he pretty much completely blames the 2013 season on injuries.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
Anyone listen to the Cataldi morning show today? Amaro calls in literally as they're discussing his nomination for "Weasel of the Week" :lmao: Based on his comments today, it appears that he pretty much completely blames the 2013 season on injuries.
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Granted that injuries were part of the problem. But if that's his story, why does Amaro resign Utley and Ruiz and bring in a 33 year old pitcher, a 36 year old OF and Bobby Abreu.

 
Eephus said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Anyone listen to the Cataldi morning show today? Amaro calls in literally as they're discussing his nomination for "Weasel of the Week" :lmao: Based on his comments today, it appears that he pretty much completely blames the 2013 season on injuries.
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Granted that injuries were part of the problem. But if that's his story, why does Amaro resign Utley and Ruiz and bring in a 33 year old pitcher, a 36 year old OF and Bobby Abreu.
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Not to mention the fact that everyone expected injuries to be a problem in 2013 after the 2012 season was derailed by injuries and the makeup of the starters was barely changed.

 
Eephus said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Anyone listen to the Cataldi morning show today? Amaro calls in literally as they're discussing his nomination for "Weasel of the Week" :lmao: Based on his comments today, it appears that he pretty much completely blames the 2013 season on injuries.
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Granted that injuries were part of the problem. But if that's his story, why does Amaro resign Utley and Ruiz and bring in a 33 year old pitcher, a 36 year old OF and Bobby Abreu.
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Because he's the Rube. Don't question his motives. I don't think he'll have answer if you did.

 
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If Amaro doesn't get the ax this year, then we know that his hands have been tied by the owners. There was some discussion that the owners were behind the Howard deal. Also, the fact they haven't tried to raise the payroll is telling. But if you aren't going to be competitive, cut payroll and save money for the future.

The only good thing is that the farm system is being replenished. Law has them at 14 after having them at 29 last year. Most of it has to do with last year's draft and a lot of their really young pieces. Add in the #7 pick this year (which has historically been a great pick) and the future is bright. Hopefully Amaro doesn't do anything stupid.

I think you look to move Brown at the deadline if he replicates last year at all.

 
sporthenry said:
If Amaro doesn't get the ax this year, then we know that his hands have been tied by the owners. There was some discussion that the owners were behind the Howard deal. Also, the fact they haven't tried to raise the payroll is telling. But if you aren't going to be competitive, cut payroll and save money for the future.

The only good thing is that the farm system is being replenished. Law has them at 14 after having them at 29 last year. Most of it has to do with last year's draft and a lot of their really young pieces. Add in the #7 pick this year (which has historically been a great pick) and the future is bright. Hopefully Amaro doesn't do anything stupid.

I think you look to move Brown at the deadline if he replicates last year at all.
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The problem with that is that the best pieces of the farm are so young that we honestly have no idea which way they'll go. If they do pan out, that's at least 4 to 5 years away since this organization historically doesn't bring guys up until they are 24-25.

 
Insein said:
sporthenry said:
If Amaro doesn't get the ax this year, then we know that his hands have been tied by the owners. There was some discussion that the owners were behind the Howard deal. Also, the fact they haven't tried to raise the payroll is telling. But if you aren't going to be competitive, cut payroll and save money for the future.

The only good thing is that the farm system is being replenished. Law has them at 14 after having them at 29 last year. Most of it has to do with last year's draft and a lot of their really young pieces. Add in the #7 pick this year (which has historically been a great pick) and the future is bright. Hopefully Amaro doesn't do anything stupid.

I think you look to move Brown at the deadline if he replicates last year at all.
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The problem with that is that the best pieces of the farm are so young that we honestly have no idea which way they'll go. If they do pan out, that's at least 4 to 5 years away since this organization historically doesn't bring guys up until they are 24-25.
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Fair enough, but having this many young pieces graded so highly, odds are some of them come through. The #7 pick has actually been promoted rather quickly and looking at ESPN's projections for this year, the Phillies might get the #2 pick next year.

I agree they are probably several years away, which also coincides with Howard coming off the books. It kinda sucks since the NL East is sort of up for grabs right now. Braves are good but not great and the rest of the division sucks. By the time the Phillies are set to contend, the Mets should be better and who knows with the Braves/Nats.

And if the Phillies want to compete earlier, those pieces can be used to try to go after someone like Stanton. Either way, it isn't as fun as winning but at least its building towards something which was woefully missing the last few years.

 
sporthenry said:
Insein said:
sporthenry said:
If Amaro doesn't get the ax this year, then we know that his hands have been tied by the owners. There was some discussion that the owners were behind the Howard deal. Also, the fact they haven't tried to raise the payroll is telling. But if you aren't going to be competitive, cut payroll and save money for the future.

The only good thing is that the farm system is being replenished. Law has them at 14 after having them at 29 last year. Most of it has to do with last year's draft and a lot of their really young pieces. Add in the #7 pick this year (which has historically been a great pick) and the future is bright. Hopefully Amaro doesn't do anything stupid.

I think you look to move Brown at the deadline if he replicates last year at all.
Click to expand...
The problem with that is that the best pieces of the farm are so young that we honestly have no idea which way they'll go. If they do pan out, that's at least 4 to 5 years away since this organization historically doesn't bring guys up until they are 24-25.
Click to expand...
Fair enough, but having this many young pieces graded so highly, odds are some of them come through. The #7 pick has actually been promoted rather quickly and looking at ESPN's projections for this year, the Phillies might get the #2 pick next year.

I agree they are probably several years away, which also coincides with Howard coming off the books. It kinda sucks since the NL East is sort of up for grabs right now. Braves are good but not great and the rest of the division sucks. By the time the Phillies are set to contend, the Mets should be better and who knows with the Braves/Nats.

And if the Phillies want to compete earlier, those pieces can be used to try to go after someone like Stanton. Either way, it isn't as fun as winning but at least its building towards something which was woefully missing the last few years.
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How does this work?

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
sporthenry said:
Insein said:
sporthenry said:
If Amaro doesn't get the ax this year, then we know that his hands have been tied by the owners. There was some discussion that the owners were behind the Howard deal. Also, the fact they haven't tried to raise the payroll is telling. But if you aren't going to be competitive, cut payroll and save money for the future.

The only good thing is that the farm system is being replenished. Law has them at 14 after having them at 29 last year. Most of it has to do with last year's draft and a lot of their really young pieces. Add in the #7 pick this year (which has historically been a great pick) and the future is bright. Hopefully Amaro doesn't do anything stupid.

I think you look to move Brown at the deadline if he replicates last year at all.
Click to expand...
The problem with that is that the best pieces of the farm are so young that we honestly have no idea which way they'll go. If they do pan out, that's at least 4 to 5 years away since this organization historically doesn't bring guys up until they are 24-25.
Click to expand...
Fair enough, but having this many young pieces graded so highly, odds are some of them come through. The #7 pick has actually been promoted rather quickly and looking at ESPN's projections for this year, the Phillies might get the #2 pick next year.

I agree they are probably several years away, which also coincides with Howard coming off the books. It kinda sucks since the NL East is sort of up for grabs right now. Braves are good but not great and the rest of the division sucks. By the time the Phillies are set to contend, the Mets should be better and who knows with the Braves/Nats.

And if the Phillies want to compete earlier, those pieces can be used to try to go after someone like Stanton. Either way, it isn't as fun as winning but at least its building towards something which was woefully missing the last few years.
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How does this work?
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If they suck and have the second worst record, they get the second pick.

 
SoCalBroncoFan said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
sporthenry said:
Insein said:
sporthenry said:
If Amaro doesn't get the ax this year, then we know that his hands have been tied by the owners. There was some discussion that the owners were behind the Howard deal. Also, the fact they haven't tried to raise the payroll is telling. But if you aren't going to be competitive, cut payroll and save money for the future.

The only good thing is that the farm system is being replenished. Law has them at 14 after having them at 29 last year. Most of it has to do with last year's draft and a lot of their really young pieces. Add in the #7 pick this year (which has historically been a great pick) and the future is bright. Hopefully Amaro doesn't do anything stupid.

I think you look to move Brown at the deadline if he replicates last year at all.
Click to expand...
The problem with that is that the best pieces of the farm are so young that we honestly have no idea which way they'll go. If they do pan out, that's at least 4 to 5 years away since this organization historically doesn't bring guys up until they are 24-25.
Click to expand...
Fair enough, but having this many young pieces graded so highly, odds are some of them come through. The #7 pick has actually been promoted rather quickly and looking at ESPN's projections for this year, the Phillies might get the #2 pick next year.I agree they are probably several years away, which also coincides with Howard coming off the books. It kinda sucks since the NL East is sort of up for grabs right now. Braves are good but not great and the rest of the division sucks. By the time the Phillies are set to contend, the Mets should be better and who knows with the Braves/Nats.

And if the Phillies want to compete earlier, those pieces can be used to try to go after someone like Stanton. Either way, it isn't as fun as winning but at least its building towards something which was woefully missing the last few years.
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How does this work?
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If they suck and have the second worst record, they get the second pick.
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I misread what I bolded :bag:

 
sporthenry said:
Insein said:
sporthenry said:
If Amaro doesn't get the ax this year, then we know that his hands have been tied by the owners. There was some discussion that the owners were behind the Howard deal. Also, the fact they haven't tried to raise the payroll is telling. But if you aren't going to be competitive, cut payroll and save money for the future.

The only good thing is that the farm system is being replenished. Law has them at 14 after having them at 29 last year. Most of it has to do with last year's draft and a lot of their really young pieces. Add in the #7 pick this year (which has historically been a great pick) and the future is bright. Hopefully Amaro doesn't do anything stupid.

I think you look to move Brown at the deadline if he replicates last year at all.
Click to expand...
The problem with that is that the best pieces of the farm are so young that we honestly have no idea which way they'll go. If they do pan out, that's at least 4 to 5 years away since this organization historically doesn't bring guys up until they are 24-25.
Click to expand...
Fair enough, but having this many young pieces graded so highly, odds are some of them come through. The #7 pick has actually been promoted rather quickly and looking at ESPN's projections for this year, the Phillies might get the #2 pick next year.

I agree they are probably several years away, which also coincides with Howard coming off the books. It kinda sucks since the NL East is sort of up for grabs right now. Braves are good but not great and the rest of the division sucks. By the time the Phillies are set to contend, the Mets should be better and who knows with the Braves/Nats.

And if the Phillies want to compete earlier, those pieces can be used to try to go after someone like Stanton. Either way, it isn't as fun as winning but at least its building towards something which was woefully missing the last few years.
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Who are you talking about?

 
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