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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (1 Viewer)

re: Prospects received for Revere

The Phillies acquired minor-league righthanders Jimmy Cordero and Alberto Tirado.

Cordero, 23, was promoted to double A in May. He has pitched 50 outings this season, all out of relief. He has a 2.70 ERA in 32 games at double A. He has struck out 46 batters and walked 20. He throws a blazing fastball, which has registered at 103 MPH.

Tirado, 20, is also a relief pitcher. He had a 3.23 ERA in 31 appearances in high-A. He has struck out 61 batters in 61.1 innings. He throws a mid-90s fastball with a slider and changeup.
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Long Ball Larry said:
According to this, of all the prospects traded at the deadline, the Phillies got numbers 5, 6 and 7 in Williams, Thompson, and Alfaro.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/140155822/jim-callis-ranking-the-best-traded-prospects
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Hamels contract has long been underestimated despite it being team friendly (obviously helps they are eating some money). That is one thing Amaro did recognize. At worst, its market value for a guy under team control, at best its a complete bargain. But I think that is a pretty good haul for Cole. Narrative being instead of a near surefire prospect, they got 3 projects who in the long term could be better than Mazara. And we've seen what blue chip prospects can get you in Dom Brown so I'm all for rolling the dice.

Not sure who is pulling the strings but team is headed in the right direction for once. Just going to take a while although who knows, a few smart signings along the way with some of these guys already knocking at the door and could be just a few years.

 
Hadn't looked at the standings all year. We won 10 out of 12 and are still the worst team by 2 games. Impressive.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Insein said:
Hadn't looked at the standings all year. We won 10 out of 12 and are still the worst team by 2 games. Impressive.
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Actually 12 out of 15, I think, since AS Break.

We'll probably screw it all up and not even get a top 5 pick.
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Well finish 5 games out of the 2nd wild card and people will complain we traded Cole.

 
So, looking ahead 2 years, here is our possible team, most of which is now at Reading.

C - Alfaro (or Knapp)
1B - ?

2B - ?
SS - Crawford
3B - Franco
LF - Williams
CF - Quinn
RF - ?

SP - Nola
SP - Elfin
SP - Thompson
SP - Biddle
SP - Lively

Cl - Giles

Bullpen - Cordero, Windle, others

At least we have some major league possibilities now. All of the contracts except for Howard and ####face Harrison will be cleared out at the end of 2016, and most likely neither of them will be here clogging up space, so we should be free to do whatever is needed with the roster.

2017: We all are coasting on the Eagles Super Bowl victory, and watching the ascent to dominance of the Phillies and Sixers!
 
Long Ball Larry said:
So, looking ahead 2 years, here is our possible team, most of which is now at Reading.

C - Alfaro (or Knapp)
1B - ?

2B - ?
SS - Crawford
3B - Franco
LF - Williams
CF - Quinn
RF - ?

SP - Nola
SP - Elfin
SP - Thompson
SP - Biddle
SP - Lively

Cl - Giles

Bullpen - Cordero, Windle, others

At least we have some major league possibilities now. All of the contracts except for Howard and ####face Harrison will be cleared out at the end of 2016, and most likely neither of them will be here clogging up space, so we should be free to do whatever is needed with the roster.

2017: We all are coasting on the Eagles Super Bowl victory, and watching the ascent to dominance of the Phillies and Sixers!
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Saving RF for Trout?

But on a more serious note, I wouldn't discount Herrera. His slash line in the majors is 289/320/422 vs Quinn at AA 306/356/435. And Quinn is less than 18 months younger so maybe it works out but at this point, I'd probably take Herrera. Not sure there is enough room for two guys in the OF like that with no power (although who knows what baseball looks like in 3-years with the lack of hitting). If Herrera can become more disciplined, could be a nice leadoff hitter or at worst an above average 8 hitter.

But seems like everything hinges on Alfaro. If he is in the majors in two years, it is most likely at 1B but either way, they need another power bat and a homegrown one would go a long way especially if they keep him at catcher. Allows them to either hide another player at 1B or go out and sign someone.

I wouldn't mind keeping Brown around. He'd only be 29 at that point and I'd still prefer his potential over a 35+ player on his last leg. And with that, I hope the Phillies are smart about FAs. Not that there is much out there but at least wait 2-3 years before doing a Nats and signing Werth.

Hernandez looks solid at 2B but still bordering on a lot of like-minded players with little power. But if all breaks well, sign a nice power OF bat and top to middle of the rotation guy (as I doubt all the pitchers pan out) and 2017-2018ish could be a contender again.

 
Good responses.

Re: Herrera - You might be right. He definitely needs to close the BB-K gap, but his stats in the minors suggest that it is possible.

Re: Alfaro - My feeling is that he needs to figure out the defense at catcher. Given his arm, I'm hoping that he has a better chance of improving at catcher than improving his hit tool enough to be a position player. But you are right that if I can improve his hitting, that is an option.

Re: Brown - I considered including him, but I am certainly not going to be fooled by this hot streak and cannot let myself get sucked in again. I will just consider that a lucky bonus if he actually comes to fruition.

Re: Hernandez - eh, I will agree that he is a competent major-league player.

I would say that it really hinges on Crawford, Franco and Williams. Can these guys be an elite 3-4-5 (or 2-3-4) mix, generating significant power and run creation? If so, then try to sign one more very good position player in FA, and Alfaro can be your 6-hitter and then you can get by with 2 out of 3 of Hererra/Hernandez/Quinn.

And yeah, for sure, best-case scenario is that like 50% of those pitchers pan out. Just trying think about an overall vision for the future.

 
Planning the Perfect Phillies Rebuild

Couple interesting thoughts here...

- He has Alfaro moving to RF and the Phils trading for Boston C Christian Vazquez. People seem very doubtful that Alfaro will stick at C, which stinks.

- He has the Phils signing FA Carlos Gomez in 2017 to play CF and Herrera moving back to 2B (where he was named Best Defensive 2B in the Texas League last year). This makes a lot of sense to me.

- He has Phils spending money / trading for C, CF, 1B, SP (I agree with these) and Bullpen (not sure about that - think Id rather see them get 2 stud SP's rather than 2 closers). We should have enough arms in the system to put together a decent bullpen.

Overall, seems like a pretty good plan to me.

Other thoughts...

- Brown has no future with this team.

- Hernandez would be a nice super utility guy.

 
E-Z Glider said:
Planning the Perfect Phillies Rebuild

Couple interesting thoughts here...

- He has Alfaro moving to RF and the Phils trading for Boston C Christian Vazquez. People seem very doubtful that Alfaro will stick at C, which stinks.

- He has the Phils signing FA Carlos Gomez in 2017 to play CF and Herrera moving back to 2B (where he was named Best Defensive 2B in the Texas League last year). This makes a lot of sense to me.

- He has Phils spending money / trading for C, CF, 1B, SP (I agree with these) and Bullpen (not sure about that - think Id rather see them get 2 stud SP's rather than 2 closers). We should have enough arms in the system to put together a decent bullpen.

Overall, seems like a pretty good plan to me.

Other thoughts...

- Brown has no future with this team.

- Hernandez would be a nice super utility guy.
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Yeah, not so sure about spending for closers as that rarely seems to work out (though Papelbon was good).

The idea of getting Gray and Ross sounds good to me.

 
Nice debut by Eickhoff, for whatever it's worth.

If you look at what they've gotten now for Rollins, Pap, Hamels, and Utley, it's 8 of their top 16 current prospects (and 10 of their top 30). Obviously this is as much of an indictment on their previous scouting and development as anything, but that is a pretty good job.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
It's over, Billy. It's over.
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I know, still an ugly and sad realization. :sadbanana:

Long Ball Larry said:
Nice debut by Eickhoff, for whatever it's worth.

If you look at what they've gotten now for Rollins, Pap, Hamels, and Utley, it's 8 of their top 16 current prospects (and 10 of their top 30). Obviously this is as much of an indictment on their previous scouting and development as anything, but that is a pretty good job.
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We had nowhere to go but up with the system as it was before these moves, but it does seem like they got quality in return, at least for Cole.

Now the problem is will this ####ty scouting/drafting/development continue or will old man Andy blow it up and get guys in here who know what the hell they're doing???

 
Phillies will not extend contract of GM Ruben Amaro

Brandon WileSep 10 2015, 12:21 PM

The Philadelphia Phillies announced Thursday that the club has elected not to extend the contact of general manager Ruben Amaro.

Assistant GM Scott Proefrock will resume the role of interim GM effective immediately.

:pickle: :thumbup:

 
Billy Bats said:
Phillies will not extend contract of GM Ruben Amaro

Brandon WileSep 10 2015, 12:21 PM

The Philadelphia Phillies announced Thursday that the club has elected not to extend the contact of general manager Ruben Amaro.

Assistant GM Scott Proefrock will resume the role of interim GM effective immediately.

:pickle: :thumbup:
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WOW!

WOO!

 
GM candidates: http://section215.com/2015/09/19/phillies-rumors-two-gm-candidates-emerging/


Matt Klentak is still connected to the GM job, as is Royals exec J.J. Piccolo.
Klentak, who worked with MacPhail in Baltimore, left to become the assistant general manager of the Los Angles Angels after the 2011 season. That came within a month of MacPhail leaving the Orioles to go into a semi-retirement.

Klentak, just 34 years-old, seems very attainable as he does not appear to be a serious candidate for the vacant general manager position that the Angels currently have. If he feels slighted by not getting serious consideration from the Angels and doesn’t get another general manager spot, it would be interesting to see if he would accept the same position (assistant general manager) in another organization. If he does, his connection to MacPhail could come into play again.

Piccolo, in my mind, is probably the best on-paper candidate. Not only has he been in the front-office for the most successful run of Royals baseball in many of our lifetimes, but he also worked under John Schuerholz in Atlanta for a good amount of the Atlanta Braves’ NL East dominance.
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Eephus said:
Odubel Herrera was a nice piece of business in an otherwise lost season
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Agreed. Id like to see him get a look at 2B next season. Altherr looks like he may have been a late-bloomer and potentially an above average player (or at least a 4th OF). Eickhoff looks like a legitimate back-end starter. Sweeney looks like a good bench player.

 
Dom Brown waived and gone. Amazing to think what we could've gotten for him a couple years ago, to being outright released for nothing. Way to go Rube.

 
What's to rejoice about? Brown was a 20th rounder out of HS and developed from a toolbox to the highest ranked Phillies prospect in years. I don't know the backstory but based on his progression through the system, there nothing obvious to criticize the organization's handling of him.

He had an outstanding 2010 season at AA/AAA and made it to the bigs in September at age 22. He was highly enough regarded that Sickels posted a poll in Feb 2011 asking whether readers would rather have Brown or Mike Trout. 25% of respondents voted for Dom.

The hype train died there. He didn't show much power at AAA or the Majors in 2011. Still, a 98 OPS+ for a rookie isn't bad but he stagnated. He had two very good months in early 2013 but never really progressed much from what he showed as a rookie. He'll obviously never be a star now but he'll get another chance or two. Maybe a change of scenery will do him some good.

 
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