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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (1 Viewer)

Eephus said:
Eickhoff was terrible last year but losing him for two months further exposes the back end of the rotation
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BP has an article today on "tandem starters". Maybe the Phils would be a good fit? You got a bunch of back-end options, a progressive FO/Coach, and nothing to lose.

The idea is that you have 6 rotation spots with 4 SPs and a couple "tandem guys" that throw every 3-4 days or are available to pitch in emergencies in between "starts", so your rotation would look like SP1 (Nola), SP2 (Arrieta), Tandem (Pivetta/Lively/Leiter), SP3 (Velazquez), SP4 (Eshelman), Tandem. 

It's an interesting thought.

 
It's an interesting idea in the abstract but it gets tougher when dealing with real pitchers and big league egos. 

The obvious downside of tandem arrangements or 6-man rotations is that a team would lose ~6 starts per seasonn from each of their front-line starters.  That may make sense in Anaheim where there are concerns about the workloads for Ohtani and Richards but replacing 12 Nola/Arrieta starts with innings from guys with lesser talent.

I think unconventional rotation strategies would be easier to pull off in the AL because of the DH.  PHs will eat into the innings of the guys at the back end of the tandem and 25 man roster restrictions will be a bigger constraint in the NL.

 
Eephus said:
It's an interesting idea in the abstract but it gets tougher when dealing with real pitchers and big league egos. 

The obvious downside of tandem arrangements or 6-man rotations is that a team would lose ~6 starts per seasonn from each of their front-line starters.  That may make sense in Anaheim where there are concerns about the workloads for Ohtani and Richards but replacing 12 Nola/Arrieta starts with innings from guys with lesser talent.

I think unconventional rotation strategies would be easier to pull off in the AL because of the DH.  PHs will eat into the innings of the guys at the back end of the tandem and 25 man roster restrictions will be a bigger constraint in the NL.
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In the Phillies situation I think you plan to keep Nola and Arrieta on normal rest.  Then commit to a long guy - probably Lively.  Velasquez, Pivetta, and Leiter stick out as the rest of the rotation, but all of them probably need to be on some sort of innings limit so keep skipping starts in the back of your head.  Send Elfin to the minors and keep his scheduled day away from Nola and Arrieta.  Plan to re-evaluate when/if Eickhoff is ready to return and assuming none of those dudes are injured.  Performance and health should shake themselves out by then - if not sooner, and not necessarily in a good way.

 
need2know said:
This.  Can someone explain to me why he did this?  Game was going fine until this.  Wtf
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It's early and starters are just getting stretched out.  Sale and Chase Anderson only went 6 IP today although with higher pitch counts. 

I guess he just liked the matchup vs Hoby Milner :bag:

 
It's 1 out of 162 but I am hard pressed to remember a worse managed game than that one.  I knew Nola was at 68 pitches and still getting stretched but at least let him try and get out of the inning!?!

 
I know, knida off topic.  But also fitting that it's announced that Embiid is out 2-4 weeks because he ran into his own team mate accidentally right after this ####show of a game.  That is as Philly lucky as it gets.

Time to Pop in the SB 52 Blu-Ray.  So many swear words.

 
:lmao:  What a start. First game of the season and Gabe has already pissed off Nola, Herrera, Hoskins and the entire city of Philadelphia. Good stuff.

I'm still on board, but these 3.5 hour games w/ so many pitching changes are going to be painful.

 
CentralPA said:
I know, knida off topic.  But also fitting that it's announced that Embiid is out 2-4 weeks because he ran into his own team mate accidentally right after this ####show of a game.  That is as Philly lucky as it gets.

Time to Pop in the SB 52 Blu-Ray.  So many swear words.
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Yes. That always puts a smile on my face.  Maybe kapler can contact Doug and find out some tips on managing a team cause this guy seems clueless

 
E-Z Glider said:
:lmao:  What a start. First game of the season and Gabe has already pissed off Nola, Herrera, Hoskins and the entire city of Philadelphia. Good stuff.

I'm still on board, but these 3.5 hour games w/ so many pitching changes are going to be painful.
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Only 1 game but...wow was that ugly.

 
E-Z Glider said:
:lmao:  What a start. First game of the season and Gabe has already pissed off Nola, Herrera, Hoskins and the entire city of Philadelphia. Good stuff.

I'm still on board, but these 3.5 hour games w/ so many pitching changes are going to be painful.
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Make a referendum on Kapler's entire being after 1 game or GTFO.

 
E-Z Glider said:
:lmao:  What a start. First game of the season and Gabe has already pissed off Nola, Herrera, Hoskins and the entire city of Philadelphia. Good stuff.

I'm still on board, but these 3.5 hour games w/ so many pitching changes are going to be painful.
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Joe Maddon looks ripped!

 
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JaxBill said:
I'd settle for a couple of Sweathogs references
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I watched Kapler interviewed after the game, and when he tried to explain why he pulled Nola, the reporters had that same annoyed and confused look that Mrs. Kotter had when her husband told those awful jokes at the beginning of each episode. 

 
need2know said:
Yes. That always puts a smile on my face.  Maybe kapler can contact Doug and find out some tips on managing a team cause this guy seems clueless
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This is a new school approach to managing. I know old schoolers won't like it much but lets be real. Gone are the days of a Nolan Ryan pitching almost 300 plus innings a year. There's studies health wise that have found wear and tear from throwing that amount of innings or pitches. Teams spend a lot more money on Pitchers as well as players now too so they need to protect their investments because baseball doesn't matter if the player is released they are guaranteed every last penny of that contract unless they signed one insuring the team doesn't have to pay X amount. We're in a new era of baseball with a ton of analytics and such. I like it. I'm not really a numbers guy but I wasn't on board with the Sabermetrics stuff at first. Maybe because at the time the baseball boards on MLB.com the people who were into it at first were pretty full of themselves and thought better of themselves then others. Didn't seem to want to take time to explain this or that stat etc. I also have a feeling after I looked back on it especially when people argued JRoll wasn't the MVP deserving Candidate or Howard that when this was still new a lot of the poster were using the wrong stats or arguing/debating and using a state the wrong way it was meant to be. Theres a lot of advanced stats and I really enjoy stats about a pitchers avg against with balls in play, FIP, etc type thing. I think it shows how a pitcher is really doing and I always hated Ws and Ls because like RBIs they are such team dependent stats. Remember for a few yrs Kyle Kendrick (Who's wife's Maid of Honor was one of my teachers in HS) had more Wins then Hamels? Yeah it wasn't KK was a better pitcher it was because Cole wasn't getting the run support KK got. 

Now I will say over analyzing things can be taken too far but I'm not gonna knock Gabe's approach after 1 game where it doesn't work. Today we got pitchers who make a career being a specialist no different then NFL guys who are just Teams players or a gadget guy Return specialist. I like some of the new line of thinking and I think a lot of players seem to be on board with it as long as it makes them better. Some guys don't want to be shown where they struggle but I think people need to have an open mind about this. This team has been living in the past for too long. After 08 when we won teams and organizations went into a different direction and more into Numbers. The Phillies should've started a rebuild long ago probably after the 2011 season. Amaro spent too much time not investing in proper players. You need to take advantage and play to your parks strengths. We had too many aces (used as too many chiefs in the kitchen) and not enough bats. CBP plays to power offense.Just like SF plays to contact and flyable pitchers and the Giants have had multiple WS in the last decade do to building a roster around how their ballpark plays. The correct thing to do was to keep Jayson Werth and not sign Lee. Hindsight on if JW was worth his deal doesn't work here. Who's to say he would've gotten hurt playing with us? He was still in his prime and he was our only real threat RH power wise to protect Howard and others. Because of this we then had to make the trade for Roy Oswalt. You could Say Happ isn't anything special which he wasn't and Gose has had injury issues but Villar could've added much needed speed on the bases we desperately needed eventually. Lee's contract with the Phillies people say he took less. Actually when you ad the taxed % of both Texas and NY State and City he'd have been in his avg salary maxes out I believe his contract was basically the same or similar more or less to what he signed in Philly to Comeback. One of the guys on my baseball board who worked in financials and has handled a few financials for athletes taxes and all in both CA and PA  did the math for that I believe.I liked Lee but I always thought he was a pitcher who had 2-4 great seasons in him and then would plateau at a certain point which he ended up doing being a late bloomer. The Phillies should've been acquiring power bats especially RH power and getting a guy or two who could take some walks, hit for contact and still a few bases. Their pitching should've been predicated to getting Ground ball pitchers. Look I loved getting the guys we did. I never imagined Halladay or Oswalt ever being a Philly. Halladay outside of Pedro Martinez is one of my favorites of all time and it was surreal visiting the city that he and my Hockey Idol Eric Lindros played or lives in Toronto, Canada. My problem with the Phillies was just throwing money at problems for short term fixes. Especially trading prospects among prospects. With Amaro the team got worse and worse. The Phillies under Amaro went for short term fixes instead of long term fixes to problems. 

Thankfully with Klentak as GM and John Middleton More involved as an owner this team is changing. They've rebuilt, traded away or released some pretty popular guys and rebuilt the farm. More and more  they are using advanced stats (One of the only MLB teams who still wasn't using saber metrics and advanced stats up to when Klentak took over) and getting with a newer futuristic approach to games. Yeah there's some weird stuff they do and some stuff I won't agree with. I actually like switching OF defenses from RF-LF and vise versa. Makes sense. Put your players in the best position to succeed. It's not always going to work but I think we need to give Kapler sometime. How many idiots wanted Doug gone after his first year in Philly and said he goes for it too much? Year 2 he brought the franchise it's first SB win with that same approach but also learning from mistakes. We need to have some patients. Like Jim Thome once said The season is a marathon not a track meet. We're gonna have some tough loses like opening day this year. We probably end the season 81-81 realistically. Also remember Guys are still getting stretched out and Nola only went 4 innings last ST game he pitched. This is an exciting time to enjoy this team. It's a lot of young guys and some out of the box ideas. I'd rather the Phillies try something else then doing the same thing over and over again. 

 
DJackson10 said:
This is a new school approach to message boards. I know old schoolers won't like it but let's be real. Gone are the days when people read posts over 300 words.
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Obviously Kapler is learning on the job. He's a smart guy. Hopefully he figures out.

 
He's not going to last the season at this rate.  I thought what he did the first game was dumb but he out did himself yesterday.  

 
So apparently MLB offices sent Philadelphia a warning on Pitching changes or something. Braves manager didn't seem to happy about it on Sat night. 

 
DJackson10 said:
So apparently MLB offices sent Philadelphia a warning on Pitching changes or something. Braves manager didn't seem to happy about it on Sat night. 
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Well yeah, you really shouldn’t call in a relief pitcher with no warmups from the bullpen. Atlanta coach was right to argue not giving him any warmups, the ump was caught between getting the guy hurt and giving the Phils a break. 

 
Let the rage flow. Kapler being the lightening rod for this team is probably a good thing. The Milner thing is really the only "mistake" he's made so far. Lineups, pulling the starters early, and heavy-usage of the bullpen in the fist series when you have an off-day immediately following were all organization decisions that were probably made weeks/months ago.

The following are all currently bigger problems than Kapler.

  • The quality of arms in the bullpen
  • The #2-#5 starters
  • The defense at C, 3B, and whatever position Hoskins/Kingery are playing
  • The hacking tendencies of Herrera, Williams, Franco and Alfero
 
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