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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (1 Viewer)

E-Z Glider said:
Wow. It really is bad right now. If Crawford, Alfaro, and Williams all continue to flame-out, the future will be bleak. Would love to know what the FO is thinking. Im sure all that money is burning a hole in their pocket, but we're so far away from being competitive and the future is so unclear at so many positions, Im not sure spending it this off-season (or even the next) is smart. 
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Is it really possible that all of these highly touted prospects flame out?  Additionally, guys like Nola, Velasquez, Eickhoff, Herrera, Franco all showed potential at one point but that seems to be in the past.  Such is the luck of the 2010 + Phillies.     :(

 
fred_1_15301 said:
Is it really possible that all of these highly touted prospects flame out?  Additionally, guys like Nola, Velasquez, Eickhoff, Herrera, Franco all showed potential at one point but that seems to be in the past.  Such is the luck of the 2010 + Phillies.     :(
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We just need some of them to become better than average MLB players and then buy a middle of the order bat to play 1B. 

Cesar is already showing that he can be a better than average 2B. Alfaro's bat should be above average if his defense plays. Crawford's defense and plate discipline alone should make him above average. I still think Franco and Herrara are good players, just not someone you build a team/lineup around. Joseph/Williams/Quinn/Cozens/Moniak? 

Problem is, we also need to buy an entire rotation. Nola and Vazquez are so fragile.  :topcat:   

How much is the Japanese Babe Ruth going to cost? Kill two birds with one stone, get an Ace and a middle of the order bat to play 1B when not pitching.   :bowtie:   

 
Adam Haseley

A graduate of The First Academy in Florida, the lone non-California team to win USA Baseball's National High School Invitational, Haseley has developed into one of the better two-way players in the college ranks at Virginia, one who should compete for the John Olerud Award. His future in the professional ranks, however, lies solely in his skills as a position player. Haseley's bat has taken a nice leap forward this season and he's hit over, or close to, .400 for much of his junior year. He uses the entire field and while he features more of an inside-out swing from the left side currently, an approach preached at Virginia because of the ballpark at home, there should be more pull side power to come. As it is, he's showing more over-the-fence ability. While not a burner, Haseley does have above-average speed. He is capable of playing center field, but whether that's his long-term home remains to be seen. He is capable of playing all three outfield spots, with at least an average arm. There could be some upside here, with more to be unlocked once he stops pitching and focuses 100 percent on hitting. His stock was soaring as much as any college position player as the spring unfolded.
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nice bounce for a couple days at the beginning of June against some of the worst teams in baseball, then back to losing 11 out of 12. At least Pivetta had one good start.

 
I don't even understand they're reasoning for not bringing them up. When a guy is 23 in double A and crushing it and the major league 2B is down for 2 months, when is the right ####### time? When he's 30?

 
I think its more about "showcasing" Mr. professional hitter / super utility man for the deadline than protecting Kingery. They cant possibly be concerned with the extra year of arb-eligibility in his age 30 season.

I agree that this team is unwatchable right now, with the exception of Odubel. I cant really say I love him or hate him, but he's probably one of my favorite Phils ever to watch just because you have no idea what's going to happen. Dude is such a nut-job. Between his quirky rituals, celebrations, and awful hacks, he's got some of the most hilarious AB's Ive ever seen. He's a true treasure in this pile of garbage. 

 
Limp Ditka said:
:lmao:  Just awesome. Belongs in the baseball shtick thread
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I thought about it, but I generally think of shtick as something that is done intentionally. Dubes is more unintentionally entertaining. Just a total space-case. 

 
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/the-phillies-returns-for-hellickson-and-kendrick/

Baltimore gets
RHP Jeremy Hellickson

Washington gets
2B Howie Kendrick

Philadelphia gets
LHP McKenzie Mills
LHP Garrett Cleavinger
OF Hyun Soo Kim
International Bonus Slots

Mills is a 21-year old, big-bodied lefty with advanced changeup feel. He was an 18th round pick out of Sprayberry HS (GA) in 2014 and then spent each of his first three pro seasons in either rookie or short-season ball. Mills struggled with control. His strikeout and walk rates — 20% and 12%, respectively, in 2016 and 28% and 5% this year — have both drastically improved this year and he’s having more success as the season goes on despite having already doubled his innings total frmo last year.

As far as the stuff in concerned, Mills is a deceptive 88-92 with downhill plane and could have an above average changeup at maturity. His below average curveball has shape but not power. He can locate it, and his other pitches, and projects to have starter’s control/command. He has K’d 118 hitters in 104.2 innings with Low-A Potomac and is a potential backend starter.

Cleavinger, a 2015 3rd rounder out of Oregon, is a pure relief prospect with a low-90s fastball and loopy, twisting curveball. His command is very erratic and, while he has premium loogy funk and repertoire, it needs to develop significantly if Cleavinger’s to have a steady big league role.

The Phillies also acquired $1 million in international bonus money yesterday General Manager Matt Klentak’s post-trade comments indicate that money will be speculatively used to as yet unidentified or available talent on the international market. The Phillies were originally allotted a $4.75 million bonus pool for the international period and spent a significant amount of it on five players, including SS Luis Garcia ($2.5 mil) and four other players who all signed for around $500k each.
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https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/scouting-philadelphias-return-for-pat-neshek/

Scouting Philadelphia’s Return for Pat Neshek

by Eric Longenhagen - July 27, 2017 

Philadelphia sent All Star reliever Pat Neshek to Colorado on Wednesday night in exchange for three prospects. Let’s refresh:

Colorado gets
RHP Pat Neshek

Philadelphia gets
SS Jose Gomez
RHP J.D. Hammer
RHP Alejandro Requena

Gomez, a 20-year old infielder at Low-A Asheville, is the owner of a .316 career batting average and indeed scouts like his feel to hit. Gomez doesn’t get much out of his lower half and is a bit undersized, and thus very unlikely to hit for much power barring a mechanical change, but he has good hand-eye coordination, above average bat speed and a chance to be a plus hitter at peak.

An average runner with an average arm, Gomez lacks the high-end athleticism typically found at shortstop and is not a lock to stay there. He’s already seeing time at second and third base, two positions where Gomez will likely lack the power to profile every day should one of them become his long term defensive home. He projects as a bat-first utility player.

Hammer is a 23-year old relief prospect with a plus, running fastball that will touch 97. He was a 24th rounder out of Marshall last year and had struck out 47 hitters at Low-A before a late-June promotion to Hi-A Lancaster. Hammer’s arm is lightning quick and while he shows some feel for locating his fastball to his arm side with consistency (in part because it naturally runs that way), his command is currently below average. He also has a power slider (I’ve had scouts call it a slider and curveball, and the way its’ described makes it sound like a hard slurve, so I’ll call it a slider) that flashes average. He projects as a middle relief piece but could be more if a better secondary pitch can be coaxed out of that arm speed and, as a Colorado high schooler who then went to a college not typically associated with baseball, perhaps that’s coming late.

Finally, 20-year old Venezuelan Alejandro Requena is a pitchability who had posted a 2.85 ERA this season at Asheville. He sits in the 88-92 range with his fastball which he locates readily to both sides of the plate and he has a loopy, fringey curveball that he can lob in for strikes to get ahead of hitters or bury in the dirt when ahead in the count. He could max out as a backend starter but is more likely to fall in the starters 6-10 range teams typically need to dip into during the course of a season.

As far as FVs go, Gomez is a 40 for me, projecting as a utility man with a better bat than usually found there. That’s a 45 at peak with Gomez’s proximity from the Majors diluting the mark. The other two are, in FanGraphs prospect parlance, honorable mention prospects worth continued attention.

 
The Phillies paid $20M in pro-rated salaries to Hellickson, Neshek and Kendrick this season and got 4.2 rWAR out of them.  That's pretty decent ROI in spite of the team's W/L record.

 
Eephus said:
The Phillies paid $20M in pro-rated salaries to Hellickson, Neshek and Kendrick this season and got 4.2 rWAR out of them.  That's pretty decent ROI in spite of the team's W/L record.
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Yeah, those weren't bad signings. Buckholtz and Saunders on the other hand...

 
Posted this on the Bird's page.

A little surprised there isn't much talking about Dutch. I know there is a baseball forum and this is football, but its also a Philadelphia page. Darren Daulton's career shows that numbers aren't everything. He was a true leader and he embodied the type of player Philadelphians love.

 
Sludge said:
Posted this on the Bird's page.

A little surprised there isn't much talking about Dutch. I know there is a baseball forum and this is football, but its also a Philadelphia page. Darren Daulton's career shows that numbers aren't everything. He was a true leader and he embodied the type of player Philadelphians love.
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Word.  He wasn't a perennial All-Star but he hustled and kept that group of rock stars in check.

 
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Hoskins with eleven homeruns in his first seventy-five plate appearances, including five games in a row. 

Koji Uehara made him look bad on the previous two pitches, and then went outside, and Hoskins stepped right into it.

 
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Well this is certainly a new way to lose one. Fight all the way back from down 7-2. Score a game winning 2 run single in the 9th. Replay over turns the 2nd run. Strike out. Go to the 10th, let up a home run. 

 
CentralPA said:
18 dingers in 34 games...
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ESPNStatsInfo 
The fewest games needed at start of a player’s career to hit 18 HR was 45 (Gary Sánchez). Rhys Hoskins on Thursday reached 18 in 34th game.
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His pitch recognition and plate coverage are what's insane right now and these are skills you don't just luck into. Watching him work a count is a thing of beauty. 

Of Stantons 54 HR's, only 9 have come with 2 strikes. Hoskin's already has 10. Its crazy.

 
E-Z Glider said:
His pitch recognition and plate coverage are what's insane right now and these are skills you don't just luck into. Watching him work a count is a thing of beauty. 

Of Stantons 54 HR's, only 9 have come with 2 strikes. Hoskin's already has 10. Its crazy.
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Amazing stat.

...all of the sudden the bats are starting to look circa 2006-2007ish again.

 
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/rhys-hoskins-looks-all-kinds-of-awesome/

Looking at Hoskins' rolling averages and comparing them to guys from this year reveals a pretty good list.  Cameron says the best historical comp based just on stats and batted ball profile is Frank Thomas (the really good one from the White Sox, not the racist scumbag from the 1960s Phillies).  

If it weren't for Bellinger, there would probably be a good chance to make a ROY argument if he finishes out the last 2 weeks in the same way.

 
Regardless of how the first half went and how bad the pitching is, Rhys gives you hope for the future. The fact that all the other bats have come alive when he settled into the 4 hole is an excellent sign. Get some decent pitching this off season not just aging innings eaters on their last legs, and the Phil's will be competitive. Not winning a title just yet but they could push .500 for the first time in 5 years.

 
Insein said:
Get some decent pitching this off season 
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This worries me a bit. I know we have a ton of money burning a hole in our pockets, but Id rather give the young guys another year to figure out their place on this team and then go ALL IN on Machado next offseason. 

 
E-Z Glider said:
This worries me a bit. I know we have a ton of money burning a hole in our pockets, but Id rather give the young guys another year to figure out their place on this team and then go ALL IN on Machado next offseason. 
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I don't want them breaking the bank for an aging washed up stud. But if they find guys in their mid to late 20's looking for a decent deal to grow with the team, I'd be all for it.

 
Insein said:
I don't want them breaking the bank for an aging washed up stud. But if they find guys in their mid to late 20's looking for a decent deal to grow with the team, I'd be all for it.
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Agree. I dont think we're close enough to bother with Darvish, Arrieta, Cueto, Tanaka. I'd be somewhat interested in Alex Cobb. He's about the only FA SP under 30.

We have a glut of MI. I like Cesar and am OK with Freddy as a super-sub. Id be pretty tempted to float JPC or Kingery and see what kind of young arm you could get in return. 

 
E-Z Glider said:
Agree. I dont think we're close enough to bother with Darvish, Arrieta, Cueto, Tanaka. I'd be somewhat interested in Alex Cobb. He's about the only FA SP under 30.

We have a glut of MI. I like Cesar and am OK with Freddy as a super-sub. Id be pretty tempted to float JPC or Kingery and see what kind of young arm you could get in return. 
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Find a way to get Shohei Otani

 
Altherr's grand slam off Kershaw last night was the 1st GS Clayton has ever given up in his almost ten years in the majors.  That is astounding.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Herrera was ridiculed for his nonchalant play on that inside-the-park homerun against Washington a few weeks ago (and rightfully so), but he deserves major kudos for that catch to end last night's game against the Dodgers.

That was ridiculous. 

https://www.mlb.com/video/herreras-catch-ends-the-game/c-1842723183?tid=63817564
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Odubel is really turning a corner.  He has let things go to his head in the past but if he can stay focus he is All-Star talent.  His plate discipline is like night and day this season.  His fielding is gold glovesque but as you said he has spurts of nonchalant hissy fits.  He has improved on that as well though.

I might be way off on this but I see a lot of Jimmy Rollins in Herrera right now.  I don't know if he'll ever win a league MVP or anything but I think he can have similar career as J-Roll.

...and no one Batflips like that homie, no one.

 
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So for next season we are most likely looking at a starting lineup like this:

Crawford

Hernandez

Herrera

Rhysbombs

Altherr

N. Williams

Franco

Alfaro

Pitcher

Bench: Galvis, Kingery, Joseph, Knapp

Possible Trade bait: Galvis, Rupp (for a bag of baseballs)

If that is the case I am loving it.

 
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