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McGarnicle
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Most likely butt or foot imo. Those guys study for like 6 months. "Your butt is irritated; here's some Aleve."
adonis
Footballguy
I agree. Lots of folks I know who aren't racist voted for trump and they're very educated.
For most of them it was more a rejection of Clinton and a middle finger to the establishment, combined with a lack of respect for the federal government as "government is the problem not the solution".
Just because Trump is the preferred candidate for racists doesn't mean all supporters are.
(but also a lot of folks I know who are racists are trumps most vocal supporters. Folks who genuinely try to argue that black folks just don't have society in them...because look at Africa and how backwards their societies still are. Oh, and these same guys would say they're not racist as well...but in the same breath will make jokes about Mexicans, and keep their kids in private schools to avoid segregation, just like their parents did for them.)
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Sabertooth
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So what's first on the agenda. Didn't he say he'd do some stuff on day one? Was that Isis, jailing Hillary, or the wall? I forget but I know he said some stuff about his first day.
adonis
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What does this even mean. Of course we accept it, but we don't like it and are concerned. Are you telling us we have no right to be frustrated and concerned about the direction trump is likely to take the country?
Now that Trump is in office, supporters are calling for no dissent, no complaints, no disagreements...
Dictatorships might be a better fit for some of you than democracy.
Grace Under Pressure
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Sabertooth
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Ok cool. I don't follow the politics that much.
McGarnicle
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Education doesn't automatically bestow common sense and critical thinking. You can't tell me that truly intelligent and enlightened people in great numbers observed Trump and concluded he's qualified to be president. There are plenty of people with college educations who read InfoWars and believed Pizzagate. There is a really weird anti-intellectual movement happening in our country right now. I believe it's a rejection of the MSM that's gone so completely overboard that truth itself is now being openly rejected.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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avoiding injuries
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TobiasFunke
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The bolded is totally untrue and an unfair description of "anti-Trump posters." The third description perhaps comes the closest, and it seems a reasonable conclusion given that the candidate that they supported is undeniably more ignorant himself when it comes to matters related to the presidency than any other candidate for the office in our lifetimes. It's not necessarily true that ignorant candidate = ignorant supporters, but there's likely a strong correlation. And of course there is data to support the notion that Trump voters are have less formal education than Clinton voters, Obama voters and Romney voters.
But there is zero chance that a "large percentage" of posters here who oppose Trump implied that anybody who voted for Trump is low income/poorly educated/ignorant. I've been here through the entire election cycle, and that's just not true. By painting those people unfairly with such a broad brush you are doing exactly what you seem to be complaining about here.
Also, I would never say that Trump voters are all racist, and I don't think any other reasonable person would either ... but do you really think the simple act of voting for Obama automatically makes you "not racist"? That's not how it works. I supported Kyrie Irving in the 2016 NBA Finals, and I can assure you I am most definitely Duke-ist. #### those guys.
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avoiding injuries
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Why do you care? There's no relevance in that based on his post. If you have a question or comment, come out and say it.
timschochet
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So I want to divide my reactions to what Trump may do into 3 categories:
1. Stuff I agree with. Obviously I'm hoping he does a lot of this. And when he does I plan on supporting him. We can start with a big infrastructure plan.
2. Stuff that I disagree with but which is within the bounds of "normal"- here I am resigned to accept what comes. The nation has elected a Republican President and a Republican Congress, and they're going to do a lot of stuff which I personally don't agree with, such as cutting taxes on the wealthy while at the same time increasing military spending, trying to get rid of ACA (though I don't think they will), easing up restrictions designed to combat climate change, etc. I don't like this stuff much but it's not that threatening either (except maybe for climate change) and anyhow, to the victor the spoils. They won.
3. Stuff that is not normal, that threatens America. It remains to be seen how much of this stuff Trump really means to do and how much was just campaign talk. We have the Wall, tarrifs, punishment of those who disagree with him, re-introduction of torture, violations of civil liberties, withdrawal from NATO and our other foreign policy commitments, treatment of Muslims and the undocumented, relationships with China and Russia. I could go on and on. On this stuff I think President Trump should be opposed even to the point of civil disobedience if that's what it takes.
1. Stuff I agree with. Obviously I'm hoping he does a lot of this. And when he does I plan on supporting him. We can start with a big infrastructure plan.
2. Stuff that I disagree with but which is within the bounds of "normal"- here I am resigned to accept what comes. The nation has elected a Republican President and a Republican Congress, and they're going to do a lot of stuff which I personally don't agree with, such as cutting taxes on the wealthy while at the same time increasing military spending, trying to get rid of ACA (though I don't think they will), easing up restrictions designed to combat climate change, etc. I don't like this stuff much but it's not that threatening either (except maybe for climate change) and anyhow, to the victor the spoils. They won.
3. Stuff that is not normal, that threatens America. It remains to be seen how much of this stuff Trump really means to do and how much was just campaign talk. We have the Wall, tarrifs, punishment of those who disagree with him, re-introduction of torture, violations of civil liberties, withdrawal from NATO and our other foreign policy commitments, treatment of Muslims and the undocumented, relationships with China and Russia. I could go on and on. On this stuff I think President Trump should be opposed even to the point of civil disobedience if that's what it takes.
Sabertooth
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beavers
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Dr Oadi
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Come out and say you're lying or what kind of doctor posts on a fantasy football forum? No doctor I want that's for sure!
Dr Oadi
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James Daulton
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James Daulton
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Dr Oadi
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GROOT
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Don't get butthurt. A ton of people aren't accepting he will be president. I'm glad you're not one of them. You are an American and have the right to protest.
"supporters are calling for no dissent, no complaints, no disagreements." Welcome to America. The same could be said under the Obama administration. Merry Xmas.
SaintsInDome2006
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I think no matter what in these calculations of 'the Trump voter' you need to include an analysis of the people who voted 1 - 2 times for Obama and also voted for Trump, because Trump won because of them plain and simple. Now what kind of people are they?
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GROOT
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SaintsInDome2006
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Chemical X
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who cares? PIZZA!!!
beavers
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I don't know ... I think Donald was born in London. I will need to check my sources ...
No. but when someone says that Trump voters rejected truth WTF does that mean when the only other legitimate choice was Hillary, a pathological liar herself.
Arsenal of Doom
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Good article on the problems of ACA and replacing it
As others have pointed out, people generally want the protections and expanded coverage of ACA but don't like the parts of the law and market that handle the cost of those protections.
It's a pretty simple equation: if you increase coverage, which ACA has done for 22 Million people, you increase total cost for health services and demand for services. Those costs have to be accounted for somewhere.
There are a lot of ways those costs can be handled, from fully socializing the cost across all taxpayers to dropping all the costs back into the system and increasing the cost to all insurance buyers.
ACA is somewhere in the middle of that. Parts of the expanded coverage are socialized through Medicaid and the exchange subsidies (though new taxes were passed to try to target the tax burden it all flattens out in the treasury), and the cost in the private insurance market is largely passed onto those customers who previously benefited from the insurance companies ability to deny and cap coverage.
As others have pointed out, people generally want the protections and expanded coverage of ACA but don't like the parts of the law and market that handle the cost of those protections.
It's a pretty simple equation: if you increase coverage, which ACA has done for 22 Million people, you increase total cost for health services and demand for services. Those costs have to be accounted for somewhere.
There are a lot of ways those costs can be handled, from fully socializing the cost across all taxpayers to dropping all the costs back into the system and increasing the cost to all insurance buyers.
ACA is somewhere in the middle of that. Parts of the expanded coverage are socialized through Medicaid and the exchange subsidies (though new taxes were passed to try to target the tax burden it all flattens out in the treasury), and the cost in the private insurance market is largely passed onto those customers who previously benefited from the insurance companies ability to deny and cap coverage.
adonis
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adonis
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I have not seen a ton of people on this forum refusing to accept that he will be president.
you seem to be setting up a lot of straw men in your past few posts.
Apple Jack
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BustedKnuckles
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im sure at some point the Mods will do away with it...its getting a lot like the NFL in here
GROOT
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roadkill1292
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I'm pretty uncomfortable with Trump stalling on divesting himself of his business interests. Putting the kids in charge of them and then also requesting security clearances for them seems like an unprecedented, and obvious, conflict of interest. It seems that he's also being given somewhat of a pass on this by some of his supporters and this seems like one of the most basic expectations the people should have of their president.
adonis
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I'm engaging the content of actual posts on this forum, specifically comments that you have made.
you, on the other hand, are just setting up strawman arguments, and posting about people being butthurt.
Joe Summer
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I don't think there were a large number of Obama voters who voted for Trump. Obama got 89% of Democrats in 2008; Hillary got 89% of Democrats in 2016.
Obama got 69.5 million votes eight years ago, whereas Hillary got 65.8 million votes in 2016. Where did those voters go? We know they didn't vote for Trump, since Trump's vote count is on par with what McCain and Romney got (when adjusted for the population increase).
I agree that Hillary lost a large number of Obama voters, but those voters didn't vote for Trump. They stayed home.
Bruce Dickinson
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The total lack of transparency about Trump's finances and the pass he got on them is astounding and inexcusable. He never released any meaningful financial records, had his non-profit shut down becausd it wasn't acting like a non-profit, paid out a $25MM settlement in a fraud case. In a previous cycle, any of those would have been disqualifying. And now it's clear there's going to be no separation between the Trump family business interests and the White House.
Do people who voted for Trump think it's a good thing? Did they expect this?
Henry Ford
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I actually think it's somewhere in the middle, because a number of Republicans stayed home or voted third party as well. There were a number of Republicans who recognized that President Trump is a dumpster fire from a basic political ethics and foreign policy standpoint and refused to vote for Clinton or him, which means he definitely picked up some Obama votes.
ffldrew
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Looks like the Sons know how Washington works
http://time.com/4607439/donald-trump-inauguration-sons-nonprofit-texas/
http://time.com/4607439/donald-trump-inauguration-sons-nonprofit-texas/
I don't think Trump supporters care. He can do no wrong and anyone who suggests otherwise is a libtard, cuck, or is whining that his/her candidate lost.
I agree that this should be a huge concern. I'll be impressed if any of the Trump supporters here respond with anything of substance. I can hope, though. It would be nice to have some sort of discussion about TrumpConcerns without devolving into 'but Hillary.......'.
The General
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I totally believe the guy who bases his entire existence on how much money he has to all of a sudden not care about scamming.
The guy can't help himself. Honestly don't blame him, it's been his identity his whole life.
TobiasFunke
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I don't know about that. Don Jr got bamboozled into clearing the field for Tester to hold his senate seat in 2018 by letting a left-leaning group convince him to nominate Tester's likely toughest opponent to head Interior:
http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-score/2016/12/tester-ally-championed-zinke-pick-for-interior-217882
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Henry Ford
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Well, that quote doesn't actually exist. What she said was a statement about how no one would understand how important the reforms in it were until it was passed, and she was speaking to the National Association of Counties, not to Congress.
"You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy. You know as well as anyone that our current system is unsustainable. The final health care legislation, which will soon be passed by the Congress, will deliver successful reforms at the local level."
We (Congress) have to pass the bill so that you (the people) can find out what is in it - away from the fog of controversy. You may have noticed that even Republicans have said that whatever they want to replace it with will allow kids to be on their parents' insurance until 26, and will not allow insurance companies to deny for pre-existing conditions. That's part of it.
Of course, the sound bite is a lot more fun to play on loop.
Sammy3469
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