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The General said:
So we aren't draining the swamp? 
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We can't there is so much bs there generating dangerous methane that any attempt to do so would result in a violent conflagration. Instead, we are going to collect the methane and use it to power diesel shovels to dig coal.

 
adonis said:
It's still being drained, but it will be filled in and a golf course for millionaires will be built there.  

"Drain the Swamp" is in the process of being rebranded as "Gentrify the swamp".
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I actually kind of like this idea. Could we keep the Smithsonian intact though?

 
bueno said:
adonis said:
It's still being drained, but it will be filled in and a golf course for millionaires will be built there.  

"Drain the Swamp" is in the process of being rebranded as "Gentrify the swamp".
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I actually kind of like this idea. Could we keep the Smithsonian intact though?
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It will be privatized.  Needs to be profitable.  The federal government has no business being in the museum business.

The sale will be billed as one of "historic" proportions.

 
Hang 10 said:
http://wreg.com/2016/12/21/mississippi-authorities-make-arrest-in-burning-of-african-american-church-spray-painted-with-vote-trump/


Arrest made in ‘Vote Trump’ burning of Mississippi black church


POSTED 2:46 PM, DECEMBER 21, 2016, BY AP

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GREENVILLE, Miss. — Mississippi authorities have made an arrest in the burning of an African-American church spray-painted with the words, “Vote Trump.”

Mississippi Department of Public Safety spokesman Warren Strain says Andrew McClinton of Leland, Mississippi, who is African-American, is charged with first-degree arson of a place of worship.

McClinton was arrested Wednesday. Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in Greenville, Mississippi, was burned and vandalized Nov. 1, a week before the presidential election.

It was not immediately clear whether McClinton is represented by an attorney.

Greenville is a Mississippi River port city of about 32,100 people, and about 78 percent of its residents are African-American.

After the fire, Hopewell congregants began worshipping in a chapel at predominantly white First Baptist Church of Greenville.

Fire Chief Ruben Brown told The Associated Press the sanctuary of Hopewell M.B Church sustained heavy damage in the fire, while the kitchen and pastor’s office received water and smoke damage.

The words “Vote Trump” were also spray-painted on an outside wall of the church.
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Those racist Trump supporters!

 
adonis said:
It will be privatized.  Needs to be profitable.  The federal government has no business being in the museum business.

The sale will be billed as one of "historic" proportions.
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I can see the changeover to a creationist museum. Bring in some pieces of the Ark and ####.

 
JIslander said:
I can see the changeover to a creationist museum. Bring in some pieces of the Ark and ####.
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Nah - wall of separation and all that. But I'd like to see them remodel some of the dinosaurs. I want to see a T-Rex with green feathers.

 
bueno said:
Seems to me that a lot of libs were gloating over driving Trump supporters out of their own thread. From the POV of someone who couldn't vote for either flawed candidate, I see it as mostly one-sided, yes. So turnabout applies.
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Much of what "seems to you" appears to be pretty poor perception on your part.

Both sides were ugly pre and post election.

 
Dickies said:
Questioning some of his actions is now spewing hatred and venom?  Seems harsh.  

Ultimately we have to see how it all plays out, but wouldn't you agree that it's at least a little concerning that his picks to lead various agencies are people who have in the past wanted to do away with those agencies?
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Pretty healthy to question any government agency.   Worthwhile or complete worthless?  Agencies in question have been questioned before, but the way government works----once it's there,  no way to quash it.   Federal employees pretty much can't be fired, not in the usual way anyway.   so you have some jerkoff government employee actually jerking off in the office, you can't fire him on the spot.  Just the way it works & why we have an inefficient government with inefficient employees.   Any scale back of some bloated agency is okay with me as is to question the validity of it.

 
thought this pretty appropriate regardless of the author:


How do we make sense of the alternation in power of our two parties and their ideologies? Now that Trump seems intent on repealing ObamaCare and Obama’s executive orders on the environment, we are given to wonder if we are not simply trapped between two forces alternately embracing and erasing their legacies.

But we need to grasp the essentially cyclical nature of our progress. It is not a pendulum erasing with each swing from left to right and back again of all that happened before. It is an upward spiral — not a downward screw — in which each shift of the dominant political ideology sifts through the wreckage left by its defeated predecessor, embracing the policies that have proven themselves and discarding the rest.

Its a lot like the business cycle — from boom to bust — where what Schumpeter called “creative destruction” destroys the unsound businesses, the overblown profits, the useless jobs, and the crazy investments that have accumulated and leaves standing, instead, the sound businesses and a business expansion based on meeting the real needs of the market.

Because human nature — with its innate propensity for excess — rules politics as well as economics, the political cycle that paces our democracy parallels that which dominates our economy. The political cycle is less widely noticed, but is just as fundamental.

When a political party or ideology takes over, it implements needed reforms to correct abuses that have multiplied under its predecessor. Where the ancient regime was too liberal, the new people cut spending and slash regulations. Where there had been higher taxes, they introduce lower rates. For a while things turn around. Jobs abound. Companies — liberated from taxes and regulation — start to hire again. Investors return to the market place. But inevitably, the political boom will overreach just as business prosperity always does. Important regulations are repealed. Free from scrutiny, businesses pollute, discriminate, and shortchange consumers.

Where the left rules, corruption — its habitual failing — sets in. When the right takes power, greed — its constant defect — always gets out of control and fuels voter disgust.

And then the pendulum swings back again.

But, in the meantime, real progress is made. Not all of the measures that were passed under the right or the left are repealed. The good ones stay and fuel our upward progress as a people.

 
sho nuff said:
So...people abandoning things because it looked like their guy would lose...to now goating...- turnabout?

Yeah, thats a pretty awful leap in logic.
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No, what I saw was pretty bad personal attacking. I am surprised massive timeouts didn't happen pre-election.

 
The ugly hag on CNN right now only has the argument that Trump is not getting briefed. Sad. She can't come up with anything to stick.

 
So Peter Navarro at a new White House Trade Council position. This is just some really strange messaging with this pick and another tough China player. I'm wondering how quickly this disruption of Chinese commerce will take place and to what degree and lengths we are going to take it.

 
Has he had a press conference yet where he can answer questions about what the heck he's doing?

Oh, right, he doesn't owe the american public any answers on how he's planning to govern them.  And yes, when Hillary didn't do press conferences it was a problem as well, so we can just head off the deflection to HRC.

No word on tax returns, no press conferences, no explanation of cabinet positions, no word on divestments...you say this man admires authoritarian leaders who don't owe answers to the people?  Hmmm.

 
timschochet said:
I didn't respond because I was driving.  :)

As you suspected I'm not a huge fan of Rousseau. To call him an Enlightenment writer just because that was the era he lived in may be misleading: shall we refer to Hegel and Marx as Enlightenment writers? You see my point. 

As the historian Norman Davies has argued, democracy is amoral. A group of cannibals would no doubt elect a cannibal to lead them. We saw this play out in Iraq when we attempted to replace its old regime with a democracy. The results were entirely predictable: Sunnis voted for Sunnis, Shiites voted for Shiites, and Kurds voted for Kurds. The Shiites  were the majority so they won and immediately began to repress the rights of everyone else. Amoral system- Rousseau would have loved it. 
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Hey, tim, sorry about that. First of all, I disagree. Most people consider him an Enlightenment writer. His first popular work was a Discourse on the Arts and Sciences. Can't get more Enlightenment than that.  

Second of all, there was nothing amoral about Rousseau. A Discourse on The Origin of Inequality specifically argued for moralities within political systems. 

He wrote constitutions for both Corsica and Poland based on his sense of justice. He was authoritarian, yes, but amoral, no.  You're conflating amorality with codified rights in a constitution. The two are different sometimes.  

 
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Hang 10 said:
http://wreg.com/2016/12/21/mississippi-authorities-make-arrest-in-burning-of-african-american-church-spray-painted-with-vote-trump/


Arrest made in ‘Vote Trump’ burning of Mississippi black church


POSTED 2:46 PM, DECEMBER 21, 2016, BY AP

  •  




 
GREENVILLE, Miss. — Mississippi authorities have made an arrest in the burning of an African-American church spray-painted with the words, “Vote Trump.”

Mississippi Department of Public Safety spokesman Warren Strain says Andrew McClinton of Leland, Mississippi, who is African-American, is charged with first-degree arson of a place of worship.

McClinton was arrested Wednesday. Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in Greenville, Mississippi, was burned and vandalized Nov. 1, a week before the presidential election.

It was not immediately clear whether McClinton is represented by an attorney.

Greenville is a Mississippi River port city of about 32,100 people, and about 78 percent of its residents are African-American.

After the fire, Hopewell congregants began worshipping in a chapel at predominantly white First Baptist Church of Greenville.

Fire Chief Ruben Brown told The Associated Press the sanctuary of Hopewell M.B Church sustained heavy damage in the fire, while the kitchen and pastor’s office received water and smoke damage.

The words “Vote Trump” were also spray-painted on an outside wall of the church.
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Trump-supporting Florida man faces hate crime charge for arson at mosque attended by Pulse shooter Omar Mateen


Look, I can do that too!

 
Remember when white racist men attacking women because they were Muslim and burning black churches was a sign of Trumps impending new Reich?

 
LMFAO, Trump could walk into his supporters home and take a dump on their dinner table and slap their wife and children and the Trump supporter would think thats the greatest thing ever.

Trump supporter: Please Trump, put a 5% tariff on countries across the board that will be passed on to us. Please Trump, I love wasting money because you are a Republican. WE WON!
Trump: OK. But let me also take a dump on your dinner table first.
Trump supporter: Can you slap my wife and children too? Make us great again.

Claiming to be of sound reasonable mind and supporting this Trump madness is not possible since it is mutually exclusive.

 
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WheelsUp said:
LMFAO, Trump could walk into his supporters home and take a dump on their dinner table and slap their wife and children and the Trump supporter would think thats the greatest thing ever.

Trump supporter: Please Trump, put a 5% tariff on countries across the board that will be passed on to us. Please Trump, I love wasting money because you are a Republican. WE WON!
Trump: OK. But let me also take a dump on your dinner table first.
Trump supporter: Can you slap my wife and children too? Make us great again.

Claiming to be of sound reasonable mind and supporting this Trump madness is not possible since it is mutually exclusive.
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That would've definitely helped with the @Doctor Detroit vote.

 
WheelsUp said:
LMFAO, Trump could walk into his supporters home and take a dump on their dinner table and slap their wife and children and the Trump supporter would think thats the greatest thing ever.

Trump supporter: Please Trump, put a 5% tariff on countries across the board that will be passed on to us. Please Trump, I love wasting money because you are a Republican. WE WON!
Trump: OK. But let me also take a dump on your dinner table first.
Trump supporter: Can you slap my wife and children too? Make us great again.

Claiming to be of sound reasonable mind and supporting this Trump madness is not possible since it is mutually exclusive.
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And he could end world hunger and bring peace on earth and you'd still find a criticism in it. 

 
I chuckle about how the left wants Trump voters to criticize him...why don't you wait until he is actually President and we actually see how his appointments perform and the actual results of his policies once they are actually implemented...this is like fantasy politics where many seem to already know the results before anything has been done...kind of reminds me of the pre-election analysis and projections...

 
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