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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I'll assume the Top 3 matches will be:
Lesnar/Reigns
HHH/Sting
Taker/Wyatt
Just leaves A LOT to be desired with ring work. I'll be the first to come here and admit if one of these matches steals the show, but man the downside here with these matches is huge. I really hope they break up the above 3 matches with Orton/Rollins. Cena/Russev was surprisingly good 2nite. Though I already dread Cena getting his revenge.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
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Brady Marino
Footballguy
Watching this event live, it was a two match show in terms of crowd reaction and quality, and it was the very last two.
Still, I can echo what others are saying about the crowd. I actually felt like I was going to offend somebody if I actually cheered or booed things because everyone around me just sat on their hands for most of the time. Memphis has probably cost itself some PPVs in the future. Raw is coming back in September, but they may be bound for the Smackdown circuit.
Hard to imagine this was the same crowd that mobbed the ring one year ago for the Yes Movement.
Still, I can echo what others are saying about the crowd. I actually felt like I was going to offend somebody if I actually cheered or booed things because everyone around me just sat on their hands for most of the time. Memphis has probably cost itself some PPVs in the future. Raw is coming back in September, but they may be bound for the Smackdown circuit.
Hard to imagine this was the same crowd that mobbed the ring one year ago for the Yes Movement.
RBM
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Back to Bryan?OC Zed said:
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
That is lackluster as hell. Were it not folded into the ten bucks for the network, I would really question spending 50-60 bucks for that as PPV
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Really meh card, but they've got to make sure to order the matches right.
They simply can't end the show Taker/Wyatt, HHH/Sting, Lesnar/Reigns. Theyve got to fit a Rollins or Bryan match sandwiched in there. And hope if Lesnar is in fact leaving (again) that his exit match isn't as horrific as his last exit match at Mania (vs. Goldberg)
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OC Zed
Footballguy
Brady Marino
Footballguy
It sure used to be. There isn't jack squat on the local Indy scene anymore.
Bogart
Footballguy
I would love to know what creative is thinking with Bray/Taker. The setup is going well, the match will probably be above average, but what do they see for the ending. Taker loses and that is two Mania loses in a row. Is that how he "decides" to retire? Taker goes over, and you have a guy on his way out taking steam away from a top five guy right now.
That said, Bray can handle a defeat just fine, but would love to see an actual surprise in this match.
That said, Bray can handle a defeat just fine, but would love to see an actual surprise in this match.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
It depends. If you end it clean, you can have that issue. I would imagine we get a run-in from someone who will feud with Bray. UT gets the win, goes away to face Sting in 2016, Bray is set up for his next feud, and everyone's happy happy happy.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I think what's weird is that everyone assumed Sting would take on Taker at WM. Then when you heard about the Sting/HHH WM match, I just assumed maybe Taker just didn't have it in him this year and he'd retire. Seems kinda that we'd get Taker and Sting at WM, just not with each other.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
The Taker is the Taker. I'm sure there's guy lining up to face and even lose to him. Wyatt attacks the legacy/fundamental nature of the Taker......Taker shows up to defend it/rises from the ashes all that ####.....Taker wins.....Wyatt loses. Then you either run a new Wyatt angle that feeds off of him losing (some psychological aspect of him seeing some light or some #### like that) OR you act like it didn't happen.
It's worse for the WWE if Taker loses again.
Jeremy
Footballguy
I thought it was a decent enough show for what it was. Everything from the Royal Rumble on is an infomercial for WrestleMania.
The 6 man tag was ok. I don't necessarily think every match has to feature the young guy being featured. The story being told here is the return of Orton, so the results of the actual match was unimportant. Ziggler getting knocked out made it easier for the heels to dominate the remaining 2 after the match, which meant needing Orton to rescue them.
I like the story being told between Goldust and Stardust more than the match itself. A shame the ending was botched. loved the promo after the match. That last shot Cody gave Dustin after yelling at his dad was fantastic.
I'm probably in the minority, but I like the Usos a lot. Still, I think that result made sense. They need a credible rival.
I was kind of lukewarm on the Sting/HHH confrontation. I thought HHH selling the baseball bat to the throat like it was a gun or a sword was a bit much. He had a sledgehammer himself. It's a bit late to cast HHH as the cowardly heel. Also, with Sting remaining silent, I still don't entirely get why he's angry with HHH. Is it really sour grapes over his part in winning the Monday night wars? Seems kind of petty, especially after all the time that's elapsed. Maybe more is coming on that.
It still bothers me that we never got an explanation about how Nikki and Brie patched up their differences.
Ambrose vs BNB was ok, with a strange ending. They're obviously just getting started with their story, so that's fine.
Cena vs Rusev was perfect. People claim Bryan carried Reigns, but not half as much as Cena was carrying Rusev. He's even more raw than Reigns, but somehow nobody seems to resent his spot as a top heel. Hopefully this is the kick in the pants Cena needs to finally develop a new finisher. EVERYONE kicks out of the AA, as they should. It doesn't look all that painful.
LOVED Reigns vs Bryan. Certainly Bryan made Reigns look like a million bucks, as Steve Austin would say, but Reigns did his part as well. IMO, some people focus so much on the technical aspects of a match that they miss the story that's being told. Reigns showed some new material, but IMO the brutal forearm smashes to Bryan while he was down on the mat was pretty #######' awesome. I thought the whole thing from the live Smackdown after the RR to last night's match was very well done. The psychology was great and so was the match.
The 6 man tag was ok. I don't necessarily think every match has to feature the young guy being featured. The story being told here is the return of Orton, so the results of the actual match was unimportant. Ziggler getting knocked out made it easier for the heels to dominate the remaining 2 after the match, which meant needing Orton to rescue them.
I like the story being told between Goldust and Stardust more than the match itself. A shame the ending was botched. loved the promo after the match. That last shot Cody gave Dustin after yelling at his dad was fantastic.
I'm probably in the minority, but I like the Usos a lot. Still, I think that result made sense. They need a credible rival.
I was kind of lukewarm on the Sting/HHH confrontation. I thought HHH selling the baseball bat to the throat like it was a gun or a sword was a bit much. He had a sledgehammer himself. It's a bit late to cast HHH as the cowardly heel. Also, with Sting remaining silent, I still don't entirely get why he's angry with HHH. Is it really sour grapes over his part in winning the Monday night wars? Seems kind of petty, especially after all the time that's elapsed. Maybe more is coming on that.
It still bothers me that we never got an explanation about how Nikki and Brie patched up their differences.
Ambrose vs BNB was ok, with a strange ending. They're obviously just getting started with their story, so that's fine.
Cena vs Rusev was perfect. People claim Bryan carried Reigns, but not half as much as Cena was carrying Rusev. He's even more raw than Reigns, but somehow nobody seems to resent his spot as a top heel. Hopefully this is the kick in the pants Cena needs to finally develop a new finisher. EVERYONE kicks out of the AA, as they should. It doesn't look all that painful.
LOVED Reigns vs Bryan. Certainly Bryan made Reigns look like a million bucks, as Steve Austin would say, but Reigns did his part as well. IMO, some people focus so much on the technical aspects of a match that they miss the story that's being told. Reigns showed some new material, but IMO the brutal forearm smashes to Bryan while he was down on the mat was pretty #######' awesome. I thought the whole thing from the live Smackdown after the RR to last night's match was very well done. The psychology was great and so was the match.
Keith R
The Don
I'm in the minority but I never wanted to see Taker-Sting and am much more pleased to get HHH-Sting.
Speculating here, but perhaps they needed to start a Sting program before they knew whether Taker would be competing. Or maybe at this stage, each man needs to be carried by someone capable.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't get the HHH/Sting matchup with the WCW "legacy" being the driving force. WCW's been deader than Dillinger.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Respectfully disagree, as Mania 32 in being held in Texas. (Taker's back yard) Purely speculation on my end, though.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Being able to pack 100k + into Jerry World for UT's last match? Oh, it's going to happen and it wouldn't surprise me if it was the main event.
Bogart
Footballguy
I agree that it makes sense, and I would love it as I plan to be in the crowd in my back yard, but Taker looked a year too old last year, we haven't seen him this year, and that is 13 months away. I could see more of a ceremony than a match for Mean Mark Calaway.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Last night's RAW felt like a big show, and it still didn't have appearances by Lesnar, Sting, or Undertaker. Things could really take off when those guys mix in over the next 4 weeks.
I really like that we have multiple guys gunning for the IC title now...but I hope it boils down to a one on one match at Mania instead of some kind of scramble. Use the next month to determine who the top contender is, and those who miss out get bumped down to the battle royal.
Anyone else getting the sense that we might get Daniel Bryan mixed into the Orton/Rollins mix? Maybe a three way dance to determine #1 contender at Mania?
I really like that we have multiple guys gunning for the IC title now...but I hope it boils down to a one on one match at Mania instead of some kind of scramble. Use the next month to determine who the top contender is, and those who miss out get bumped down to the battle royal.
Anyone else getting the sense that we might get Daniel Bryan mixed into the Orton/Rollins mix? Maybe a three way dance to determine #1 contender at Mania?
Jeremy
Footballguy
I watched the Reigns/Bryan match again to kind of test the myth that Reigns is a wrestler who only uses 4 moves. Not counting kicks, punches, or throwing people into the ring or steel steps outside the ring as "moves", here's what I came up with for each. I may not know the proper term for each move...
Roman Reigns:
Side headlock
Shoulder Tackle
Tilt-a-whirl slam
Clothesline over the top rope/flying clothesline/clothesline from hell (3 separate kinds, but count those as 1 if you wish)
Samoan Drop
Rolling fall away slam (x3)
Belly to belly suplex
dropkick on the ring apron
Super power bomb (power bomb off the ropes)
regular power bomb
Spear
Bryan
side headlock
roll up pin attempt
bow and arrow submission hold
some kind of modified figure 4 submission hold
trip into the corner turnbuckle
flying dropkicks
back suplex off top rope
Yes lock
flying goat
small package
running knee finisher
head scissors
Nobody's going to say Reigns is as skilled in the ring as Bryan, but it certainly looked like Reigns gave as good as he got.
Roman Reigns:
Side headlock
Shoulder Tackle
Tilt-a-whirl slam
Clothesline over the top rope/flying clothesline/clothesline from hell (3 separate kinds, but count those as 1 if you wish)
Samoan Drop
Rolling fall away slam (x3)
Belly to belly suplex
dropkick on the ring apron
Super power bomb (power bomb off the ropes)
regular power bomb
Spear
Bryan
side headlock
roll up pin attempt
bow and arrow submission hold
some kind of modified figure 4 submission hold
trip into the corner turnbuckle
flying dropkicks
back suplex off top rope
Yes lock
flying goat
small package
running knee finisher
head scissors
Nobody's going to say Reigns is as skilled in the ring as Bryan, but it certainly looked like Reigns gave as good as he got.
OC Zed
Footballguy
They are asking for more fan unrest if they go this way if Reigns actually gets the title at WM (I assume he is). Orton is revitalized, but does anyone really want to see him in another title match at the moment? Rollins already has MITB, so the #1 contender spot is wasted on him. And you further alienate your core fans if they force Bryan to job to Reigns again.
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Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
No idea what Bryan is going to be doing. I fell asleep by the end of Raw, so I didn't see what happened.
Looks like a 3 way dance for the IC title between BNB/Ambrose/Ziggler. That was the vibe I got.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
If Lesnar doesn't re up and I don't think he will, they have Reigns go over Lesnar.
Rollins cashes in on Reigns after Lesnar has beat the hell out of him.
Or is that too obvious and won't happen because it's too obvious.
I know I'm in the minority, but Taker, HHH and Sting are pretty much in the Kane and Big Show category for me. I have no interest in ever seeing any of them wrestle ever again. Sting was done a decade ago, Taker hasn't had a good match since 2010 with Michaels(other than being 100% carried by Punk) and HHH can't carry anyone these days.
That Memphis crowd may have been the worst PPV crowd I've ever seen. I'll never understand how people can pay hundreds(at least) of dollars for tickets and then sit on their hands. I know some people hate smarky crowds, but I wish we got them more often, at least they have opinions and aren't just dead silent.
While it won't actually happen, I'm really liking Rusev rightfully pointing out that Cena doesn't deserve a rematch.
I thought the divas match last night was embarrassing. They could easily have an entertaining back and forth 10 minute match, but no,10 seconds is just fine. The amount of disrespect shown to the main roster women's division is deplorable.
I wish the crowd was more behind the Rhodes feud. I personally think it is the most interesting thing on the show right now, and has several years of backstory, but it is being handled stupidly and the crowd doesn't seem to care. If this is likely Goldust's swan song, it is disappointing that it is going like this.
I'm assuming Ziggler is getting added to the IC title match, which means there is a great chance that is the best match on the card at Mania. Orton-Rollins could be great too. I like that Orton is aligning himself with the authority for now, it is very consistent with his character to at least try to do things the easy way for a bit.
I thought Bryan-Reigns was very good. Bryan can carry anyone, but Reigns isn't as bad as his reputation seems to be. I still think Bryan-Lesnar would have been better, but Lesnar has been on fire and could have a great match with Reigns.
That Memphis crowd may have been the worst PPV crowd I've ever seen. I'll never understand how people can pay hundreds(at least) of dollars for tickets and then sit on their hands. I know some people hate smarky crowds, but I wish we got them more often, at least they have opinions and aren't just dead silent.
While it won't actually happen, I'm really liking Rusev rightfully pointing out that Cena doesn't deserve a rematch.
I thought the divas match last night was embarrassing. They could easily have an entertaining back and forth 10 minute match, but no,10 seconds is just fine. The amount of disrespect shown to the main roster women's division is deplorable.
I wish the crowd was more behind the Rhodes feud. I personally think it is the most interesting thing on the show right now, and has several years of backstory, but it is being handled stupidly and the crowd doesn't seem to care. If this is likely Goldust's swan song, it is disappointing that it is going like this.
I'm assuming Ziggler is getting added to the IC title match, which means there is a great chance that is the best match on the card at Mania. Orton-Rollins could be great too. I like that Orton is aligning himself with the authority for now, it is very consistent with his character to at least try to do things the easy way for a bit.
I thought Bryan-Reigns was very good. Bryan can carry anyone, but Reigns isn't as bad as his reputation seems to be. I still think Bryan-Lesnar would have been better, but Lesnar has been on fire and could have a great match with Reigns.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I just think last night created more questions than answers. You bring back Orton to probably the biggest pop he has gotten in a very long time. You have him come out and go on a rant about wanting revenge against Rollins for putting him out of action for 4 months and then he shakes his hand and says Okay, everything is cool.
Granted they are teasing his unrest with the Authority, but to me they had him return to his heel ways only so Bryan has someone to fight at WM and then Orton will turn back and probably feud with Shamus since rumor is he is coming back as a heel.
I agree that the Rhodes story is probably one of the best constructed storylines going for them at this point.
Granted they are teasing his unrest with the Authority, but to me they had him return to his heel ways only so Bryan has someone to fight at WM and then Orton will turn back and probably feud with Shamus since rumor is he is coming back as a heel.
I agree that the Rhodes story is probably one of the best constructed storylines going for them at this point.
Jeremy
Footballguy
Looks like they might throw R-Truth in there too. I'd be ok with a fatal 4 way or triple threat for the IC belt. Makes it seems more worth fighting for.
I think the Reigns/Bryan match was Reigns best singles match by far, and while it isn't saying much...at least he's improving. And the Reigns/Bryan segment last night was Reigns best mic work yet as well. Says alot for Bryan that he can steer Reigns as a "face" like that just on the mic. WWE better not forget it.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
4 way matches with a single fall are really difficult to execute effectively though. If they want to blow it out to six and have the match Money in the Bank style...then you might have something. Barett-Ambrose-Ziggler-Truth-Harper-Seamus would be a nice mix for a big spot fest. Maybe Barrett gets a newly designed belt because Ambrose won't give up the current one.
Here's my card:
Lesnar vs. Reigns
Bryan vs. Orton vs. Rollins for #1 contender
Rusev vs Cena (I Quit rules)
Barrett/Ambrose/Ziggler/Truth/Harper/Seamus 6-way ladder match for IC title
Undertaker vs Wyatt
HHH vs Sting
K-Swiss vs Usos
Divas segment
Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal (main features are Ryback, Big Show, Ascension, and any legends willing to take a over the top rope bump)
Jeremy
Footballguy
I agree with you on Taker. With the streak gone, there's not much draw there anymore. If anything I'm looking forward to his entrance more than his match. I do want to see Sting and HHH though. Maybe more for the storytelling than the match itself. You don't want to overdo it, but I hope Sting makes a couple appearances between now and WM.
Dead crowds and Smarky crowds are both equally frustrating for me. The best crowd is a hot crowd that comes with a positive attitude ready to be entertained. At least they stopped those stupid CM Punk chants.
Why don't you think Cena deserves a rematch? But I like the way they're going with it. It sets up a lot of possibilities on how Cena can change his mind. The most obvious I guess is Cena putting his career on the line. Or maybe he steals his medal or something. I don't know.
The divas division really needs the NXT women to come up, but if they're only going to get a couple minutes they'd be wasting that talent anyway.
I'm not sure the WrestleMania card is going to be exactly what people expect. There may be a plot twist or 2 still coming.
SlaX
Footballguy
That match was the first I've seen Daniel Bryan in a full match since his return. Honestly, I felt Bryan has lost a step. He was nowhere as explosive as he was last year at this time.
OC Zed
Footballguy
How does R-Truth belong in this mix? They haven't had an angle for him in how long? Is this Vince's way of making sure all the boxes are checked for the card?
Jeremy
Footballguy
I'm guessing Daniel Bryan's moment will come at Summerslam, whether that's against Rollins or Reigns.I think a Rollins/Bryan fued into WM would be great as Bryan has a case that he never lost the title and Rollins has the MITB.
Jeremy
Footballguy
Yeah, it's kind of a weird that they would push him up after all this time. But they had him on commentary on Raw, so I assume they have something in mind. Maybe he'll just lose to Barrett on Raw next week and that'll be the end of it.
I dabbled in TNA when Angle jumped almost a decade ago, and Sting was done then. He had a great career, but dude is in his mid 50's. I understand they want him to get a big win, so they can put him in the hall, and sell merch, but I think the match will be awful. If they have to have it, they should make it a tag match. Maybe HHH/Rollins vs Sting/Bryan? Or Sting/Ziggler? Or Sting/Orton? I don't like this whole Sting is WCW, and HHH is WWE story they are telling. That shouldn't matter at all, especially because we are watching WWE and framing it that way really makes HHH seem like the face here.
The worst smarky crowds are awful too. The Punk chants were almost as bad as chants for the announcers, but it is better than dead silence. Crowds that boo the bad guys and cheer the good guys just because they are supposed to are annoying too. I like NXT crowds a lot, they sometimes get a little smarky, but at least have likes and dislikes and appreciate good storytelling.
Cena will get a rematch. But story wise he doesn't deserve one. He wasn't the champ, and he lost, why should he get a rematch? I hope he loses clean at Mania(not likely) it'd be nice to see they start putting over new stars on the biggest stage, so they don't feel they have to keep bringing back people like Taker, Sting, Rock etc. It is kind of odd when they spend so much time talking about how WCW was foolish putting all their eggs in the old folks basket with Hogan, Savage, Piper and Flair, when they are now doing the same thing seemingly every year at Mania.
While I am on record saying Sasha Banks is the best female in-ring in the last 20 years, I don't think the women on the main roster are the problem. Paige and AJ are great, Nikki, Nattie, and Emma can all go. Alicia Fox, Naomi and Brie have their moments. They just need time to tell their stories both in and out of the ring. Its crazy to me that WWE doesn't feature the women's division more. Their viewership is like 40% women, with a lot of that being young girls. Seems like they are throwing easy money away, by not even attempting to try to mine that.
Sort of off topic, I think Raw should, roughly, dedicate 45 minutes per show to the women's division, 45 to tag teams(make more teams, there are plenty of guys doing nothing right now) 45 to the midcard, and 45 to the main event. That would help build new stars and help keep the main event scene fresh.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
It is. I was watching them last night thinking they need a good "name" and some better ring gear to look more like a team. That said, Cesaro & Kidd are really good.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
I picked that one up from Brandon Stroud. http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/2015/02/the-best-and-worst-of-wwe-fastlane-2015/3/
Bogart
Footballguy
Fans of NXT: Listened to Cheap Heat and heard an interesting story. Apparently, Mojo Rawley's best friend in the whole world is Rob Gronkowski.
Gronk has been approached by the WWE before to do something, and Gronk has said he will only do something if Mojo is involved. Nice card to have in your back pocket if you are Mojo.
Gronk has been approached by the WWE before to do something, and Gronk has said he will only do something if Mojo is involved. Nice card to have in your back pocket if you are Mojo.
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